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Published Date: 16 September 2007
THE Lord Advocate was under renewed pressure from MSPs last night as fresh evidence emerged that the prosecution of the World's End murder trial was bungled.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that key forensic evidence not presented at the trial was described by experts as "moderately strong" and - in the view of police - could have helped convict Angus Sinclair. MSPs are now demanding to know why Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini told the Scottish Parliament last week the same evidence was not used because it showed only a "low probability" Sinclair was involved.

Independent MSP Margo MacDonald said she would write to Angiolini asking questions about the case. MacDonald said it was difficult to understand how the same piece of evidence could be both "moderately strong" and "low probability".

Glasgow Labour MSP Paul Martin said the new information seemed to confirm there had been mistakes in the way the case was prosecuted by the Crown.

Serial rapist and killer Sinclair, 62, was acquitted at Edinburgh High Court on Monday when trial judge Lord Clarke agreed with a defence submission of no case to answer. He was returned to Peterhead prison where he is serving a life sentence, imposed in 2000 for the November 1978 murder of Mary Gallagher, 17.

The prosecution had incontrovertible DNA evidence proving Sinclair and his late brother-in-law Gordon Hamilton had sexual intercourse with Helen Scott and Christine Eadie, both 17, between the time they left the World's End pub in Edinburgh on October 15, 1977 and the time their bodies were found in East Lothian the next day. But the case collapsed because of the apparent lack of hard evidence linking Sinclair to ligatures used to bind and strangle the girls.

Last week, speaking to MSPs, Angiolini described the DNA evidence on the ligatures as being of "low probability" in its ability to link Sinclair to the killing.

But well-placed sources have told Scotland on Sunday that the evidence was much stronger than this and they have insisted it could have been crucial in the case had it been led in court.

The passage from a report by Jonathan Whitaker, of the Forensic Science Service, described the evidence from the ligatures as "moderately strong evidence of what we would expect to see if Sinclair was involved in tying the knots".

Whitaker's report explained that forensic samples from the ligatures had been examined using an ultra-sensitive low-copy DNA profiling technique.

This produced a mixture of DNA bands, detected at various parts of the ligatures. The report gave investigators exactly what they were hoping for. The bands that emerged featured in the DNA profiles of both Angus Sinclair and Gordon Hamilton. The only other DNA profiles to emerge were those of the victims.

One insider said: "This is a tragedy for the families of Helen and Christine, who lost their loved ones and waited 30 years for justice. The Lord Advocate should hold up her hand and say mistakes were made."

MSPs have said that the two descriptions of the DNA evidence mean that questions need to be asked of Angiolini.

Margo MacDonald, Independent MSP for the Lothians, who highlighted the failure to lead DNA last week at Holyrood, said: "I am not a legal expert, but to any ordinary person, the descriptions 'low probability' and 'moderately strong' would seem to be at odds.

"I don't think that the Lord Advocate will need to return to the chamber of the Parliament, but I will be asking questions of her as to why this evidence was not presented to the court."

A Holyrood Justice Committee insider said: "These descriptions seem to be contradictory and they do raise questions about this case and how it was handled. I think that the committee is likely to want to ask questions about this."

Paul Martin, the Labour MSP for Glasgow Springburn, said: "This would seem to raise more questions about the conduct of this trial. The Lord Advocate said that [prosecutor] Alan Mackay is an experienced advocate and a man of first-class integrity, and I don't doubt that. But people can have off days and can come to the wrong decisions, and there needs to be some way to review and examine these decisions."

But defence lawyer John Scott said: "I don't see much difference between 'low probability' and 'moderately strong'. Unless you know statistical data these terms would seem to be meaningless. I realise the police are unhappy, but I think that they should liaise better with Crown Office and bring their concerns to the Crown rather than complain after the event.

A Crown Office spokesman said: "The Lord Advocate gave a very full statement to Parliament which addressed the matter."

Justice system faces shake-up after World's End trial fiasco


A MAJOR shake-up of Scotland's justice system is being explored by ministers in the wake of the collapsed World's End trial.

The Scottish Government is to consult on a series of changes, including giving the Crown the right to appeal against judges' decisions to throw out prosecutions, changing the double jeopardy rule, and allowing previous convictions to be disclosed in special cases.

But while the moves have been welcomed in many quarters they have also provoked controversy among legal experts and human rights campaigners, who believe it will lead to "Casablanca Justice" where police target the "usual suspects".

Ministers were widely expected to announce a review of the double jeopardy rule, which prevents the same person being tried twice for the same crime. Changes to allow second trials have already been introduced south of the Border.

But Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Cabinet Secretary for Justice, above, revealed that the longstanding ban on disclosing previous convictions to the jury was also to be reviewed.

He said: "A possibility might be for juries to be made aware of any relevant past criminal convictions the accused might have, in certain, very specific circumstances, for example where someone is on trial for a very serious sexual offence has a track record of similar offences.

MacAskill admitted: "It is deeply controversial. It divides the legal profession; it divides politicians.

"If we are looking at criminal procedure it would be remiss not to look at this.

"We don't have a particular view on this as a government, but we are happy to include it. There's clearly cause for concern.

"We live in a more complicated world. The original purpose of being tried by a jury of your peers was that they knew you, knew your family and they were where you stayed.

"But we are living in an atomised world. I don't know my neighbours and I'm sure that's true about many others."

A spokesman for the Victims of Crime Trust said: "It's high time this was done for serious violent and sexual crimes.

"Time and time again we have the accused playing on the impression that they are a person of good character who has never done anything wrong in their lives and then it emerges after they are acquitted that they have been guilty of very similar offences. Where it's relevant, juries should know."

Joe Grant, the General Secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said: "There is a widespread belief among officers that the balance is too much in favour of the accused and that victims of crime are suffering .

"This should be available where the previous convictions are similar and sufficiently recent. If a person was done for shoplifting 20 years ago and is now up for assault, that plainly would not be appropriate because the two have nothing to do with each other. But where they are relevant, yes."

Labour justice spokesperson Margaret Curran said: "They are right to consider this at this time. It is appropriate."

But some legal experts have criticised the plan. One senior insider within the Scottish judiciary, said: "The Scottish Government can and should think about this issue. They are right to think about anything they want. But having this public conversation about it is very wrong in my view.

"I don't think the law should be changed. The accused should be tried on the evidence before them, not on past convictions. Just because someone committed a crime in the past, it doesn't mean that he's guilty this time."

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  • Last Updated: 15 September 2007 11:16 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: World's End murders
 
1

Home again,

Fraserburgh 16/09/2007 00:39:18

It's astounding that the prosecutor in the World's End case had evidence he didn't present because he judged he had submitted a strong enough case. In a case as serious as this one, and with 'double jeopardy' being i place, how can a lawyer not present all his evidence, every scrap? These judges have the job of teaching lawyers how to do their jobs and that shouldn't be happening. To me the prosecution screwed up, royally!!
And previous convictions being made known to juries will often unduly influence the outcome so I think this law should stay as it is, hard as it is for some folk to swallow!

2

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 00:44:54

The Lord Advocate seems to have left out some of these details in her address to Parliament last week ... perhaps another visit or two to explain the discrepancies ?

What will happen to the absent Advocate Depute Mr MacKay ? nothing on that either ... so it's now fine to run out on the client in the middle of a case ?

3

2Right,

On Location 16/09/2007 00:50:11

I would agree to the law being changed to include someone's previous convictions but only in certain Circumstances like.
They admit to having had sex.
They blame their brother in law.
They admit to being in the area.
If they try and discredit the Woman that was raped for instance.
In the 1800s it was common practice for this to be added to charges: With Previous.
Certainly i would agree to it in this instance.

4

2Right,

On Location 16/09/2007 00:57:01

# 2 Peter

Perhaps another grilling more like.
I am amazed in this day and age that Counsel are allowed to simply Run Away.
Mr MacAskill should be looking at this and even held accountable for these actions, before any decision was reached by the Court.
In my days of court appearances it was The Offender That Ran Away, Not The Prosecutor.

5

I'm no really here,

16/09/2007 01:01:03

The problem is that this appears to be a failing of Lawyers, NOT a failing of the Law. You really have to think twice, think three times and then think again before you go about changing a Law, just in order to "get someone". And BTW, you won't get Sinclair either for this one - it's history.

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The Forgotten Princess,

Blacksburg 16/09/2007 01:07:20

Criminals repeat the same behaviors.

Expect the same and more of the same.

Matters not rich or poor, where they live, or who they are with. Expect them to repeat. Lack of morals and lack of control go together.

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Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 01:19:54

#4. 2Right, On Location

Yes, I've never heard of Counsel fleeing to another country (England in this case, wasn't it ?), because the Judges decision was looking distinctly against the hopes of the Crown Office.

Surely someone will have to answer for that with their job.

5. I'm no really here

Spot on - this is a failing of lawyers, yet again ... something the legal profession in Scotland excel at.

I wonder when Mr MacAskill will take the lawyers by their very dangerous horns and give them a good shaking, as well as some long needed reforms ...

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2Right,

On Location 16/09/2007 01:25:53

With rape being the most difficult charge to prove now because they all claim to have had consensual sex because they know they will be caught with DNA they all claim consensual sex.
In this circumstance they should then be allowed to reveal their past
http://www.inverarayjail.co.uk/prison-records/people.asp?...

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The Forgotten Princess,

Blacksburg 16/09/2007 01:39:56

Accused should not be tried on past convictions. But if there are past convictions for the same offense, and the accused is proven to be guilty of the current offense, then those past convictions very much need to be considered in how he is dealt with. Many violent crimes such as rape and murder are obsessive-compulsive, meaning these criminals are unable to stop themselves.

Past offenses of the same nature are very relevant. It makes it bloody obvious that the person needs stopped.

10

Suck McCrunchie (the eighth),

Doomster Hill 16/09/2007 01:54:10

Why are we meant to act like its a shock?

The only people who seemed to claim it was not bungled was the legal profession who were too busy patting each others backs, even after the leading incompetent did a runner.

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AMNo2tiredofmoaningtothemoderator,

16/09/2007 08:18:11

My tuppence.

The failing in this case is down to the crown and the procurator fiscals office.

It is the PF who collates and submits evidence to the crown.

The AD has a limited amount of time to assess their case, there is no further investigation into witnesses or forensics.

The defence are given access to prosecution witnesses, they can pore through their timeline and create a fictional defence. This is a luxury not afforded to the AD. The PF is supposed to take prosecution witness statements, yet to the impartial viewer there are glaring gaps in the evidence presented.

The procurator fiscal's office is generally understaffed, under funded, demoralised , generally incompetent and open to accusations of corruption.

To the victims and their families it appears that the PF are more interested in working for the accused.

In my case where a gang of eight attempted to murder my brothers-in-law by driving a car at them and then attacking them with baseball bats leaving them both with fractured skulls and near dead.

The accused's QC painted a picture of a family man rushing to the assistance of his poor children who were being attacked by two violent thugs. On arrival he calmly parked his car and with Herculean strength disarmed one of the thugs of his baseball bat and gently bopped him on the head, he then collected his wounded children and drove them not to hospital but to his home, from whence they decided to go on holiday for two months to their holiday home in Turkey. In doing so they had not realised the police were looking for them in question to the two near dead men they left lying in the road.

The defence then produced a series of paid for and intimidated witnesses, including some who had previously been convicted for intimidating witnesses and for committing perjury in previous cases where they had been accused of similar crimes.

At no point are the victims or their family

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AMNo2tiredofmoaningtothemoderator,

16/09/2007 08:19:45

Apologies for length of above post. If any legal minds think I've got it wrong please let me know.

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 16/09/2007 08:27:07

#5 &#10 absolutely correct! Legal Eagles eh?
#12 don't apologies for the length of yer comment. It's cyberspace and loads of it!

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morris,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 09:08:06

I can see why previous convictions might affect any decision and prejudice verdict.However I can see no objection to this information being made available to the judge before sentencing.

If we are dealing with a habitual offender ,he is less likely to offend again when he knows habitual offenders will definitely not be given a lenient sentence. First we must establish guilt of course, without this information being disclosed,since thats the only guarantee you can give which is absolute.

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AMNo2tiredofmoaningtothemoderator,

16/09/2007 09:39:28

Did anyone hear BBC Scotland's advocate Alistair Bonnington on Radio Scotland during the week when the decision was announced? He declared that letting Judge and jury know of the accused's past convictions was, 'Savage', 'Barbaric' and 'African'.

Either he's not very well versed in commonsense or a bit of a closet racist.

16

Algy,

Chelmsford Essex 16/09/2007 10:49:40

That prior convictions should not be known during a trial is obviously correct. Otherwise lazy persons involved in a case will go with an apparent precedent and "hang the bad dog".

However, as for the apparently immune Alan Mackay, so called prosecutor, his whole performance at work should be reviewed in depth and at length. There are obviously corruption and competancy questions to be answered first before the system assessments are done.

Individuals, particularly in public office, must neither be above the law nor common sense!

17

Iain McKie,

16/09/2007 11:19:06

The Lockerbie, Shirley McKie and now the World's End cases have shown that there is a total lack of accountability and transparency by the Lord Advocate and Crown Office.

Over the past decade whenever their judgement was called into question political protection was quickly in place and the old arrogant ways were perpetuated.

We now have a Scottish Government pledged to do things differently, to change things and show that Scotland can truly stand on its own two feet in a community of nations. We are promised a government that makes up its own mind irrespective of the powerful vested interests clamouring to retain the privileges they see as rights.

The Lord Advocate and Crown Office head that queue pleading the right to continue as they always have regardless of the public and media clamour for review and change.

The promised judicial enquiry into the Shirley McKie case gives the Scottish Government the ideal opportunity to show that it means what it says and intends to create a justice system truly accountable to the people. Let’s bring some light to bear on the inner workings of our justice institutions and ensure that they are indeed fit for their 21st century purpose.

18

Rob me blind,

16/09/2007 11:47:43

Oh Shock, Horror the Scottish legal system is a fault again when will the Muppets employed as MSPs realise that the whole system is a disgrace and a shambles. Yet not one of them is prepared to discuss the problems with those of us who have firsthand experience of the total incompetence of the people employed and that starts at the very top of the tree.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 12:42:54

"But some legal experts have criticised the plan. One senior insider within the Scottish judiciary, said: "The Scottish Government can and should think about this issue. They are right to think about anything they want. But having this public conversation about it is very wrong in my view. "

Far better such weighty matters are discussed privately over a G&T at the Faculty of Advocates. How the law works is nothing to do with the public, after all.

20

Cynic,

Dalkeith 16/09/2007 13:49:07

This whole matter stinks from the Crown Office to the Lord Advocate. Angiolini has been shown to have been disengenuous to the Scottish Government and blatantly economical with the truth. Her statement smacks of cover up. The case was botched, full stop. Had the evidence of Sinclair's DNA being on the ligatures led, the outcome would have been totally different. Why can't the Lord Advocate just admit her department got it terrible wrong and then apologise, instead of trying to make pathetic excuses that don't fool anyone, except the SG. Of course she should be hauled back in for a thorough grilling. And she should now be seriously considering her position.

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Sid & Doris Bonkers,

talking to a `well placed source` 16/09/2007 14:18:05

`well placed sources` all that means that it was made up by so called `journos` btw Sinclair was a crap decorator the nearest he was to a decorator was when he stood close to me!!!

22

Capital C,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 16:03:51

#14 The judge/lord/sheriff are given a list of previous convictions prior to sentencing.

Normally they are also in receipt of a Psychiatric report and a bleeding heart liberal (sorry Social work) report and any other mitigating nonsense the defence dream up to keep their "clients" out of jail.

To everyone else who wants to change the "shambolic" legal system in our country - answer me this - is there anywhere else in the world you would want to be tried for a crime?

There are problems, but the system is criminal centred rather than victrim centred and until we get that bit right we will all continue to pay the price for uber liberalism!!!

23

RFM,

Chicago, IL 16/09/2007 16:16:27

#23 Cynic

No, it is not quite as simple as dumping all of the evidence before the court and jury and hoping for the best. Remember that that prosecutor has the task of trying to persuade, first the judge that he really has a case beyond a reasonable doubt and then finally the jury. For that reason a prosecutor will lead away with his strongest evidence, what ever it is and save the weakest for last, or if it is too unpersuasive, not offer it at all. The trier of fact forms its opinion on all of the evidence offered and admitted. Poor or weak evidence can be damaging as it suggests that the prosecutor has no case at all and is grasping at straws.
As far as terms like " moderately strong" and "low probability", these should be recognized for what they are, opinions about fact, not facts themselves. If a man has a wart on the end of his nose 1/4 inch long, he may think it significant, but if it is the excess in the length of a bridge, most people would think it insignificant. One thing is certain however, whatever the DNA report did say, the judge thought it was too insignificant to be admitted as evidence of anything.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 16:37:27

#26

Long distance opinion from someone who pretends to be an expert but hasn't even bothered to fully acquaint him/herself with either the law or this case.

a. the prosecutor does not have to persuade a judge "beyond a reasonable doubt" - if they did, then juries would be redundant.

b. "One thing is certain...." - wrong! The original problem was a lack of continuity to which the defence objected and the judge upheld. The actual DNA evidence in question was never presented.

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RFM,

Chicago, IL 16/09/2007 17:43:15

Really Sassenach?

The standard I believe is viewing the evidence in a light most favorable to the prosecution, is there evidence sufficient to establish a prima facia case for guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In simple terms, doubts about the evidence are reserved for the jurors, but the judge acts as a sort of gate keeper, and decides whether there are evidentiary grounds sufficient for the jury to convict. There is a basic difference in determining the threshold and whether all of the facts taken together support a finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The only thing redundant is your inability to grasp some simple legal principles, but for a Sassenanch that would not be unusual.
Second go back and read the first Scotsman posting about the withdrawl of the Whitiker DNA report from the jury's consideration. There was apparently other DNA evidence which was never offered, but the first offer never got off the ground. Or maybe you like most of the critics like to pick and choose the facts you wish to believe.

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freethekillie2,

kilmarnock 16/09/2007 18:04:46

Beyond Reasonable doubt! LOL
my brother -in-law is serving 30 years.

dna who was the mystery dna found in his case?
it was not his !

The Crown have a lot to answer, in many cases they are a shambles and one big fit up merchant when they want.

this man sinclair should have went through the full 6 weeks the trial was penciled in for.

HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME THE JUSTICE SYSTEM!

27

Phil the Flooter,

Perth 16/09/2007 18:46:13

Post 28

"The only thing redundant is your inability to grasp some simple legal principles, but for a Sassenanch that would not be unusual."

Are you joking RFM of Chicago?

Such a sweeping generalisation has nothing to do with this discussion.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 18:54:12

#28 - You are waffling

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Cynic,

Dalkeith 16/09/2007 18:57:05

#RFM#

Non sequitur babbling. Have you really seen someone with a wart the length of a bridge, I mean a significant bridge? You've lost the plot just like the prosecutor. Stick to your day job.
A wart the length of a bridge, you must mean the one used by the Lilliputians.

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RFM,

Chicago, IL 16/09/2007 19:27:08

#33: Can't read English Cynic? "1/4 inch as significant" is the subject of the sentence, not bridge length or wart. Have another drink.

#32 Sasseanch; Waffling is it? Is that supposed to be some sort of a rebuttal? Maybe you ought to try reading a little law yourself since you don't read newspapers too well.

#28 Yes Phil, there are more Scots elsewhere in the world than all of Scotland. If you don't like sweeping generalizations, about the Sassanachs, that is your problem. If you have trouble understanding your own legal system don't chalk it up to "generalizations" or silly archiac latin expressions; you have a long way to go before you can come close to criticizing someone like that prosecutor..

31

SASTOVELL,

BERMUDA 16/09/2007 19:38:09

Public plea vs. Private plea. The honest have bones of steel.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 19:55:13

#34

Presumably you contribute your nonsense to this forum because you have alienated everyone in Chicago and have to fall back on your imagined "Scottish" ancestry to feel wanted.

Whilst I may not be "Scottish" by virtue of some long-dead relative (actually I might be but so what!), unlike you I actually live here, pay taxes, vote and have genuine concerns about a legal system which directly affects me, my family and everyone else who lives in Scotland.

Please go and play somewhere else.

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comprehensive,

glasgow 16/09/2007 19:58:16

Had AD Alan McKay been "moderately strong" he would not have run away. However there is "low probability" of him being given his jotters. Is he in anyway related to High Court Judge Lord McKay.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 16/09/2007 20:11:44

The LA's statement for anyone who is interested.

http://www.crownoffice.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/09/14093133

Damage limitation basically.

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Phil the Flooter,

Perth 16/09/2007 20:15:55

RFL

No its your problem.

What makes you think Im a 'Sassenach' ??

Your particular brand of Narrow mindedness is old hat now.

Now go put your 'plaid' on..

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drake's drum,

North Britain 16/09/2007 20:26:45

Angiolini is a disgrace - blame the trial judge (easy populist target) and defend the incompetence of the prosecution. Now the politicians clamber to end the protection 'double jeopardy' gives from hounding and sloppy police and court work. The blame here is simple - the prosecution were sloppy and didn't get it right first time. Giving them more resources (i.e. more people and therefore time to get it right) if justifiable but ending the double jeopardy rule is not. Typical of today's lack of standards and principle.

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Rainbow,

Australia 16/09/2007 23:20:17

There is too much personal abue in this discussion.

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Billy Boy,

LA LA Land California 16/09/2007 23:24:01

Arent we all used to dysfunctionality in modern life? Is our legal system not founded on common sense, ie, Common Law. ALL of the facts concerning a suspects previous offences should be public knowledge. Isn't ths why we have Juries? to decide if the person is guilty! They should be given as much information as possible. It is an insult to common sense that such a verdict could be reached, those poor little girls and their families! How many more will there be like them with this distorted justice?

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Stewart_in_Oz,

Queensland 17/09/2007 00:17:52

A fair number of the above posts seem to have little to do with the issue in hand and more about vilification of each other. SAD!
As I wrote previously, the problem is that Sinclair came to court again. He should have been hung for the crime he is serving life for.
The Presumption of Innocence may well be a keystone in our legal system but it often seems to be misused. How about the Scottish verdict of "Not Proven". Is it still an option?
The Continental system as I have read has no 'Presumption of Innocence" but merely, "Here are the facts. Rule a verdict on them."
Seems a reasonable approach.

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Greg L-Www.UrologyCancerResource.com,

These UNITED Kingdoms 17/09/2007 00:38:55

Hi,

so that was Dunblane & hamilton a corrup bungle orchestrated by Cullen - Lockerbie an implausible corrupted bungle orchestrated by Cullen - now you have a new clown and with clear DNA evidence it seems that The Worlds End case was a corrupted bungle.

Perhaps home rule for Scotland might be a wise option because then scotland would be directly controlled under diktat of the undemocratic supra national EUropean soviet - with no participation and less interest in Scots, Scotland or our Scottish heritage - Scottish law will be swept aside and surplanted by EU Corpus Juris.

Perhaps that is what Scotland and the Scots have earned.

One wonders if many in Scotland can tell the time for few realise that it is the 21st. Century and the EU's Victorian concepts of centralisation and kontrol will soon be theirs if they continue to bungle!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

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Charlie Ferrier,

New Zealand 17/09/2007 04:37:15

From what I can tell the evidence that was "insufficient" to persuade the Judge of a case to answer was to do with whether he strangled them. He has already admitted to being with them, having consensual sex with them and blamed his friend for killing them.

So the crucial evidence which I understand was not presented, was the DNA found on the tights which were used as ligatures and has been interpreted as giving a reasonably strong link to the actual murderer. Further from what I understand this is not seminal DNA but actual skin cell deposits from the force used to tighten the ligatures.

Clearly without that evidence the judge deemed that the only evidence presented simply substanciated the case for the defence admission that consesual sex occured - ergo no case to answer.

The second problem therefore is to question whether sex was consensual - well when two girls are found naked and strangled having had sex one has to assume with common sense that they were raped - otherwise why kill them?

Further if he is now admitting he knew his friend killed them he was at the very least a conspirator for not coming forward and remaining silent. Why did he not come forward at the time if he was innocent?

Sometimes it is impossible to have the smoking gun in the murderers hand - however there comes a point where the combination of physical evidence and circumstancial evidence is overwhelming enough for a Jury to come to the correct decision.

Unfortunately the prosecution services failed completely in this case because of incompetence, covering up previous incompetence or internal political intimidation - or all three - you pick

I certainly believe that double jeapardy should be limited in its use and not be a blanket rule or at least have more reasons as to when it can be overriden.

Also with rape cases in particular its very hard to prove one way or the other in many cases. Currently the victim becomes the accused a

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rogerB,

Text book 17/09/2007 09:13:40

Don't blame the individuals if the law is not equiped to deal with matters like this.
The desire to blame (animal V. animal) is one reaseon why laws had to be developed and they can be improved.
The ability to appeal, as other systems have adopted [i.e. next door], should exist in Scotland, as should the ability to submit additional evidence.

Europe for example:-

All members of the Council of Europe (which includes nearly all European countries, and all members of the European Union) have signed the European Convention of Human Rights, which protects against double jeopardy. The Seventh Protocol, Article Four, says:

No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again in criminal proceedings under the jurisdiction of the same State for an offence for which he has already been finally acquitted or convicted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of that State.

A specific optional protocol has been ratified by all EU states except six (namely Andorra, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Spain and the United Kingdom). [2] Those members states may still have the provision in their respective constitutions providing a prohibition against double jeopardy.

In many European countries the prosecution may appeal an acquittal to a higher court (similar to the provisions of Canadian law) - this is not counted as double jeopardy but as a continuation of the same trial. This is allowed by the European Convention of Human Rights - note the word finally in the above quote.

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Anthony,

Glasgow 17/09/2007 11:28:08

The "experts" referred to at the start of the article, were those working within the police. What does "moderately strong" mean? You could read it as 'not very strong'. But even that misses the point. Irrespective of how strong this evidence was or was not, it has little value, if it merely confirms something which is not disputed by the defence in any event, and duplicates other uncontroversial evidence.

The emergence of Paul Martin is interesting. He has in the past been an unquestioning mouth peice for both the police and former Lord Advocate Colin Boyd. These stories are probably being generated by the police, (quite improperly - but now standard practice I'm afraid). But more interestingly, could it indicate a wee bit of duplicity from the LA's office? Could they be defending the lead prosecutor in public, but setting their rottweillers on him behind the scenes? I think that may be so.

This has all the markings of a political set up. The lead prosecutor did everything he could. Lord Clarke made completely the correct decision. This was a case which was always going to fail, but which was calculated to cause a back-lash which could be exploited to push through right wing changes to our criminal justice system.

If Mr MacAskil doesn't change track away from such an agenda, he risks the 1.2 million Scots with criminal records, through a campaigning body, boycotting the SNP. To put that into context, that's the equivalent of the populations of Glasgow and Edinburgh combined - or 20% of the adult population of Scotland.

Besides being wrong and unjustified, these changes could awaken a sleeping political giant.

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Anthony,

Glasgow 17/09/2007 11:33:04

Just realised, my sums are wrong in the last post. 20% of the adult population isn't 1.2 million, but more like roughly one million. Everything else still stands though.

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Pomona man,

17/09/2007 12:00:25

If ever there was a case for keeping and using a "Not Proven" verdict, this is it.

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2Right,

On Location 17/09/2007 12:04:11

Yes a crumbling Justiciary helped along by Angiolini and Advocates that run away to England.
Indeed no one is calling into question the Integrity of the Crown Ofiice in this whole affair.
See calls for a Conference and Letters to salmond at the following links.

http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/about47.html

http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/about24.html

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RFM,

Chicago, IL 17/09/2007 20:21:20

#36 Sassenach

I will quite willingly go back to my country if you go back to yours.

48

Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 17/09/2007 21:19:46

#51
Interesting resort to straightforward racism for one who pretends to be so educated and knowledgeable.


 

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