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Published Date:
18 February 2007
PETER Roberts, a 46-year-old father of two from Telford, Shropshire, can reflect on a job well done this weekend. His online petition on the Downing Street website, calling for the cancellation of plans for road pricing schemes in Britain, had last night secured more than 1.5 million signatures.
Whitehall, where plans for a new era of road pricing are being worked up, has been forced to take notice. "We did ask for a debate," one official ruefully reflected. "My, have we got it."

But despite Roberts' phenomenal viral campaign, the govern
ment on both sides of the Border insist that a pay-as-you-drive system is near inevitable in the not too distant future. The only debate appears to remain over exactly how it will happen.

As we report today, ministers at Holyrood appear to have become, if anything, emboldened by the petition controversy. Tavish Scott, the Lib Dem Transport Minister at Holyrood, is pledging to enter negotiations with the Treasury to abolish car tax, and reduce fuel duty in Scotland, in order to sweeten the road pricing pill if ministers in Whitehall are scared off by the popular revolt.

That does not appear to be on the cards, with Westminster Transport Minister Douglas Alexander said to be staying firm in his approach. His plans are, in any case, already well advanced.

The government's case for road pricing is also well rehearsed. A study by former British Airways chief executive Sir Rod Eddington declared late last year that a national road pricing scheme would cut traffic levels to 50% below what they would otherwise be in 2025.

He added that it would save the country £15bn in production which would otherwise be lost in the fumes of hundreds of thousands of traffic snarl-ups.

A road pricing scheme would charge motorists up to £1.28 per mile for using the busiest roads at peak time - raising the cost of the average 9.6-mile inner city commute to £24.57 a day. Despite the cost, Eddington described the moves as a "no-brainer".

The technology for road pricing is already available, either as a black box fitted under a car's bonnet, or a 'tag' on the windscreen.

In the former case, the box - fitted with GPS satellite tracking - would record both the time and movement of the car, leaving an electronic trail. Charges would then be sent to the motorists, with the cost dependent on the amount of traffic on the road and the time of day. Such a scheme is expected to be introduced in Abu Dhabi this year.

In the latter case - a tag and beacon system - a transmitter on a car's windscreen would emit a signal to roadside receivers which in turn would send the data to a control centre. Again, a bill would then be sent out. A similar scheme running in Singapore has proven a success, with motorists who do not clog up roads at busy times being rewarded with lower tax bills.

Later this summer, English local authorities will be invited to bid to host the country's first pilot scheme, which could be up and running by 2010, and rolled out across the country by 2014.

This timetable appears to be too long for Scottish ministers, who are already considering their own regional pilot in what is described as a "medium-sized urban area". Their preference is for a UK-wide scheme - but Scott says today that he will not wait for too long.

Motoring groups remain sceptical. If busy trunk roads and motorways end up being the most expensive, drivers could swarm onto smaller roads to cut their bills.

Neil Greig, of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, said: "Most road deaths occur on single carriageways. If you put more traffic onto rural roads then you might find you don't help road safety."

As Peter Roberts has shown, this debate has got a long way to go yet.



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  • Last Updated: 17 February 2007 6:48 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Transport policy
 
1

Jemima,

north of scotland 18/02/2007 00:29:12

A ludicrous proposal - Neil Greig is right to point out the fact that most people will avoid the tolls and travel on the rural roads - who in the name of the wee man would willingly pay nearly £25 per day to go in and out of a city? Who gets paid enough wages to cover £125 per week road toll money? Not I.

2

Hadrian,

The Wall 18/02/2007 01:36:46

This seems the ultimate in rip-off taxing of the motorist.
Road tax will remain at a 'lower' level to cover the cost of processing, and, surprise surprise,will start creeping up year on year. Fuel tax also will stay but at a lower initial level,for a while and then will start creeping up again. Rises will be spread across the three so it won't seem so bad.
Use public transport. But no one is saying public transport will be exempt, even if there is enough public transport .
This shower have been in power for a decade and things are worse than when they started.
And who pays for all this.
The places already trying this overseas are about the size of a medium UK city IN TOTAL. and here they are going to try making it work over the whole country???!.
They aint got a large computer system to work yet and this will be massive.
And it wont be near operating till after the next election, a nice poison pill for a new administration to sort out??! If they can!.
Because when the total population really works this one out, there will be a guaranteed change of government come the next election.
Because on this one, only the very well payed/rich will win.

3

The Strategist,

18/02/2007 02:32:28

I can feel a revolution coming on...

4

Navvy,

18/02/2007 02:59:19

Read the article, if the wee roads become clogged then their users pay! Great.

Pure Brilliance, Tavish!
Support this scheme, user pays as he contributes to congestion, inefficient use of time and fuel. Scotland can lead the world.
This is not tracking people, only vehicles. Additional revenue would come from fleet owners who can measure the efficiency of their fleets and schedule deliveries for off peak times thereby improving the flow of traffic. Many long distaoce operators already do this with GPS and the "spy in the cab"- tachometers
Mind you employers and business would have to think out of the box too - difficult for many - and plan their working hours and flexitime. It would even keep the scaffie trucks off the streets at peak hours.
Away you nimbys, think big for once

5

Jozef Goj,

Australia 18/02/2007 04:12:35

If the road infrastructure cannot achieve free and uninterrupted vehicle flows no technology will help!

The solution to traffic jams is not the size of the road but the ability of an intersection to work correctly.
Traffic lights just stop traffic, roundabouts are for light traffic and freeway intersections are fundamentally flawed. They fail under heavy traffic as they also only work with light traffic.

At www.ubtsc.com.au we have models of intersections that work.

They allow all vehicles entering an intersection to exit that intersection left, right or ahead without stopping all day every day without fail.

We also have a number of other transportation solutions that are environmentally zero polluting.
None of this is worth anything if government at all levels dismisses it as too expensive!
Think outside the square for solutions and look for the positives of what this means.
Imagine being able to cross town in peak hour traffic without stopping at a single intersection.
The Minister has been informed.Jozef Goj, CEO, UBTSC Pty Ltd

6

Guga,

Rockall 18/02/2007 06:33:48

Does anyone seriously think that Alexander or the rest of the New Labour totalitarians and control freaks are going to pay any heed to what the people want?

The only way to sort out the New Labour numpties is to give them the boot at the first available opportunity.

7

GrahamH,

18/02/2007 08:16:54

This issue will be Labours poll tax.

A Government too arrogant to listen to the people.

8

Al.F,

Swindon 18/02/2007 09:19:58

This is new labour showing their true colours. Are they re-enacting the George Orwell book animal farm, because it just seems that they are taking away our Freedom and replacing the Union Flag with a red one with the hammer and sickle.
As already mentioned this is going to be labours poll tax. Labour need to look at how to take the Lorries of the roads, and put freight back on the rails which would go a long way to solving congestion and pollution as there seems to be more and more lorries on the roads now. You just have to drive the M6 every day and see what damage Lorries are doing to the roads. I am a lorry driver and even I can see that they are more of a problem than cars. There is no such thing as public transport because they sold it off to private companies, and they would have a field day if the road pricing scheme went ahead, because they could charge what they want making the share holders pay days like winning the lottery every week.
Labour seem to be hell bend on doing what they want and no longer value the people who put them there.

9

Scaramouche,

18/02/2007 10:24:59

Govt Ministers;
We got your vote now we don't care
We got your vote now we don't care
We got your vote now we don't care
We'll do what we sodding like!

Petitioners;
Here's our petition, now do as we say
Here's our petition, now do as we say
Here's our petition, now do as we say
There's more of us than you!

Tavish Scott & Douglas Alexander;
Up yours! Right up yours!
Up yours! Right up yours!
Up yours! Right up yours!
We'll do what we sodding like!

Drivers;
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
Let's get Labour out!

Tories;
Vote for us and we'll care for you
Vote for us and we'll care for you
Vote for us and we'll care for you
Except for those in cars

Drivers;
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
Screwed, screwed, we're all screwed
They're all the feckin same!

*music traditional, words mine. c. Scaramouche '07

10

Andrew_10101,

18/02/2007 10:40:52

Time to get rid of this government before they get rid of us !

11

Nitwyt,

parked up 18/02/2007 10:40:55

same tax for all vehicles? what happened to envirmental concerns???

12

Rob me blind,

18/02/2007 11:10:22

Democracy in action eh you get some wee wifie handing in a few papers with a few thousand signatures on them and the Government listen. Then you get the modern-day equivalent an online petition with !.5 million signatures and they wont even listen. Well Tony and you Gordon if you had been able to drum up anything like that amount of support for anyone of your policies you would be in a far better position now than you are.

13

SouthernSkye,

Currently Cologne 18/02/2007 11:34:15

HMG try to use common sense, technology is not the answer.
Here's a few thoughts, perhaps others will be able to add to/refine these simple common sense ideas....

Dear HMG,
Please, for a moment, try to put aside your fetish for techno-solutions and, for once in your lives, try applying some common sense in the search for a resolution.
I implore you to consider the following to reduce road congestion and make all our lives greener due to the resulting free flow of the remaining traffic;

1 - Reduce the number of HGV on the roads by moving freight by rail for the long-haul part of the journey within UK bondaries.
1a - Further reduce the number of HGV required by using coastal shipping to move freight (we are an island, let's use that to our advantage).

2 - Change the loading/unloading times in city centres, large supermarkets and other premises where vehicular deliveries are required to to be from 10pm to 6am.

3 - Impose a fuel duty reduction (or tax incentive of some sort) for ALL HGV on the road between 10pm and 6am. The chance to boost profits will encourage hauliers to use the quiet part of the day, through the night, until early morning thus freeing up the roads for non goods traffic during the day time.

4 - Allow powered 2-wheelers (P2W) to use bus lanes throughout the UK at all times. They are faster than pedal-cycles so should not slow the busses and take up far less space than a car.


5 - Open all hard shoulders for traffic when conditions allow (just as the Dutch do) and rigidly enforce lane discipline on motorways (not speed) with increased traffic-police presence (not cameras).

6 - Re-open inland waterways for goods transport.
Canary Wharf used to be able to handle goods coming straight up the Thames and into the city. Now they are road transported from Dover/south coast ports!

CST. Common Sense Transport.
Let's have some !

14

AD,

sunny Livingston 18/02/2007 12:54:52

#13 - I agree - they didn't take a blind bit of notice of this did they?!

Let me ask this question - would you trust the technology to charge you correctly??!

No, didn't think so.

15

Dod fae Orkney,

North Sea 18/02/2007 13:16:53

The Labour party and their LIbdem lapdogs are about to feel the wrath of the Scottish electorate. Push on with this road pricing nonsense and see what happens at the next general election. Are these people so arrogant that they think we will put up with all this and then vote them back in??

16

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17

AD,

sunny Livingston 18/02/2007 13:28:03

Absolutely #16 - that's what they do isn't it??!

All the more reason to become independent.

18

JG,

Fife 18/02/2007 13:54:25

1.5 million people protesting by e-signing the petition? That's just the ones who own a computer. There was a local radio station the other day did a phone poll - there was a 100% result AGAINST this stupid idea. An old Fife MP (Willie Hamilton) once said that if you dressed a monkey up in red waistcoat Scottish people would vote for it! Looks like they've emptied the zoo!!!!!

19

JayJay,

Glasgow - ish 18/02/2007 19:47:26

I ask a simple question.
In UK plc terms, where has all our money gone? Tax take is at an all time high (and rising) under a Government that, bizarrely, describes itself as "committed to lowering the overall tax burden". Yet, we find, in recent weeks, a number of new tax initiatives that are really "for the sake of the planet", not for the Government's coffers. They must think we all button up the back. Either that, or I've gone to sleep and they've let Greenpeace take over at Number 11.
So, where has it all gone? Gordon even managed to double screw us with his pension raid several years ago. He creates a pension crisis with one daring swoop of the pen, then lectures the population on the need to save more for their retirement! You'd think this was satire, until you look at your wage slip.
I am rapidly approaching my own personal tipping point. The papers daily regale me with tales of Government waste. Billions pashed against the wall on stupid wars, stupid computer systems, stupid buildings, stupid initiatives that are started then cancelled - a govenment that came in promising a "bonfire of quangos" and ends up with the highest percentage of public sector employees of all time, all enjoying a pension entitlement rapidly being denied to all but the fat cats in the private sector.
I am your original mild mannered civilian, but I personally intend to fight this. If they price the roads, I will not pay. Simple as that. I demand to know why, with so much coming into the treasury, we still need to tax the beejesus out of people. Is there any prospect of a tax cut? Or is that just not something your modern politician is capable of considering?

20

Derick fae Yell,

18/02/2007 20:23:33

Oh goody Big Brother will be able to track all vehicle movements at all times, at the motorists expense. Just what Herr Reid ordered. And NONE of yer LIP, laddie (sez he, post, Peak Oil).

21

Miss Jean Brodie,

18/02/2007 22:23:38

Whats a million - it’s only a paltry 1/60th of the population - and who gives a munkies - it’s about the same amount of people that get any party into power really - and quite frankly - a government that doesn’t listen to it’s people is no government at all - and the present shower in London are the biggest collection of nobodies - shaftin all they can get away with!

22

Robert Zimmerman,

Bridge on the River Kwai 18/02/2007 22:31:58

Madness! Sheer Madness!

23

Robert Zimmerman,

Tunnel under the River Forth 18/02/2007 22:52:19

Where's the sense in spending a billion quid (or two or three) for a new Forth River crossing when there'll be nae cars or lorries using it under such a scheme? May as well plan on swimming tae the Kingdom. "Aha Mr. Wilson, Aha Mr Heath, Aha Mr. Scott"!

24

MarkB,

USA 19/02/2007 00:30:28

Relax - it will lessen the pain. When your EU masters order road pricing, based on the new European satellite GPS setup, you will have no choice to obey. Petitions to London mean nothing - Brussels is your master. London is just an expensive place to visit. Don't you remember? Your government sold out your soveriegnty years ago.

25

Auckland Arab,

Auckland, New Zealand 19/02/2007 00:35:37

#18

What a quote. It made me laugh. The fact that the Lib Dems are in charge of transport says it all. This is Paul Pot stuff - the return to the year zero. Remind me how your average Call Centre worker in Glasgow will be able to afford this punative tax. They'll just have to move and buy a flat down at Atlantic Quay (yeah right !). The concept of a progressive tax system seems to have been abandoned.

I have one message to McConnell and Boy Scout Libs - OUT OUT OUT !

26

Cynic,

Dalkeith 19/02/2007 00:42:41

There is a simple way to halt this scheme - widespread public defiance.

27

steve green,

preston 19/02/2007 00:52:47

since the collapse of the berlin wall the trots, bolshies et al seem to have disappeared into suits of various political parties, and i mean suits, democracy in this country is dead or dying, whatever happened to british common sense and tolerance and compromise; i despise our current glut of professional politicians and we need to use our votes not to vote people in but to vote them out.
too many politicians are becoming legends in their own minds or wannabees.

28

steve green,

preston 19/02/2007 01:10:44

while i'm at it, may i wish blair and his wife an early retirement and long soujorn in hell. what have you done to my country?

29

Xena - Warrior Princess,

19/02/2007 09:56:18

#24 MarkB we shouldn't worry too much about EU Masters. They imposed a smoking ban on the European parliament and have now abandoned it after 43 days as so many MEP's ignored it, the ban became unenforceable. Maybe widespread public defiance as Cynic says is the way to go.

30

John from Aberdeen,

Hastings, East Sussex 19/02/2007 23:14:04

Quite right #19 and #26 I won't pay either and neither will my kids pay ...it is getting like hammer and sickle in this country and what highly paid jerks we have in Wesminster and Holyrood ...
all producing nit-wit policies in an attempt to justify their nit-wit positions.


 

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