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Published Date: 13 April 2008
MI5 IS to create a team of "Scottish spooks" in a bid to prevent outrages like the Glasgow Airport attack and reduce the radicalisation of young Muslims north of the border.
The existing Scottish office of MI5 is to be increased from a handful of officers to as many as a dozen, all of them recruited in Scotland, in the hope they can blend in to communities and spot potential terrorists at an earlier stage.

Both the Glasgow Airport attack and the conviction of a 21-year-old Scottish Muslim on terror charges in Alva, Clackmannanshire, demonstrated how potential killers can live and work in communities without raising suspicions.

Last week, Sabeel Ahmed was jailed for 18 months for withholding information about the Glasgow attack. It emerged his brother, Kafeel, who died in the attack, had sent Sabeel an e-mail informing him of the plot. Kafeel had been working as a doctor in Paisley for about a year before the attack, but no one suspected he was a terrorist.

A security source told Scotland on Sunday: "The idea is to increase and improve local knowledge in the areas which matter. This idea of 'sleepers' is the new mainstay of the UK fight against homegrown terror. The idea is, if you do not know who or what is on your own doorstep, you will never be able to defeat the problem."

He continued: "For decades, the service has been based in London and has only moved out of the capital if and when it is needed elsewhere. But now the bosses have realised that they need to have a much better idea of what is happening out in the regions."

The precise number of new agents being recruited in Scotland has not been revealed.

The source added: "They are looking for people from Scotland, people who already know the region, know the people and who talk the talk.

"There is no time for these people to be bedded in. Once they are trained they will need to get out in the field as soon as possible and start finding potential informants who can give as clear a picture as possible about what is happening within potential flashpoints."

John Scott, one of Scotland's leading human rights lawyers, said: "I am not surprised at this move. It is something which other security services have, over the years, adopted around the world. It makes sense for MI5 to have people from different communities on board. Another reason for it is the fact that agencies like MI5 need people with specialist skills, such as experts in languages, because at present they must be getting access to so much potential information in all sorts of languages that they are not able to cope."

The airport attack happened just months before Mohammed Atif Siddique – dubbed Scotland's first al-Qaeda member – was jailed at the High Court in Edinburgh for eight years for terror-related offences. He was born and bred in Alva, Clackmannanshire, but was completely unknown to the authorities in Scotland, who were only tipped off to his activities following an unrelated inquiry by the Canadian police.

The security insider added: "No one knew anything of either Kafeel Ahmed or Mohammed Atif Siddique beforehand and it meant they were free to act with impunity and, in the case of Ahmed, very nearly succeeded in causing mayhem and carnage."

But Ghulam Mohammed, chairman of the Khazra Central Mosque and World Islamic Mission in Glasgow, raised concerns. "I don't think that this plan is beneficial to the Muslim community. Some people will be annoyed and I don't think that it is a positive way of solving the problem."

"We condemn terrorism and we want more than anything to live in harmony with everyone. We would just like to be open with the officials and talk to them about their suspicions."

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1

Angus Ogg,

12/04/2008 21:17:10
Hey, Spook in Leith,

Have you a wee side job we don't know about Buddy ?

2

Fanling,

13/04/2008 00:59:44
'Ghulam Mohammed, chairman of the Khazra Central Mosque and World Islamic Mission in Glasgow, raised concerns. "I don't think that this plan is beneficial to the Muslim community. Some people will be annoyed and I don't think that it is a positive way of solving the problem."'

Excuse me, but I don't think the plan is intended to be "beneficial to the Muslim community." (Whatever "the Muslim community" is.) A very evil festering splinter of the so-called Muslim community has altered the non-Muslim way of life (crazy airport security etc.) for a very long time to come. Actions have consequences. Remember Glasgow airport last June?

If Ghulam Mohammed and his World Islamic Mission in Glasgow (don't like the sound of that) are so concerned about some of his people being "annoyed", then he must learn to live with it or ship out. He doesn't make or dictate the law, although many of that community would love to be able to do just that. Mr Mohammed, a very nasty section of your deranged fellow-travellers seriously kicked things off in 2001 and it doesn't look like abating in the near or distant future.

I am concerned for my country and blame the utter stupidity of cowardly kowtowing politicians who are party to the disasters that have already happened. Unregulated immigration of people who have no intention of fitting into the Western way of life is high on my list of wanton folly. I endorse this action.
3

Fanling,

Hong Kong 13/04/2008 01:01:18
PS: the action of MI5, that is.
4

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13/04/2008 01:03:35
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5

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 13/04/2008 01:43:46
Watch out for what else MI5 might be up to in Scotland. They might think the natives are a bit too restless.
6

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 13/04/2008 01:46:21
10 out of 10 fanling
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brian mcc,

the arctic 13/04/2008 01:52:14
to mrd, Fairbanks, north of Seattle.
I applied for the job, and was rejected.
Rejected with threat of physical force.

take my suggestion and seek help for anger management.
8

The Daleks,

Longmen 13/04/2008 02:14:53
Don't bother recruiting "spooks" at the expense of the hard pushed council/tax payer. Just get your ouse in order and send our unwelcome guests home.

It's not rocket science, and all of the "real" countries around the world who actually care about their own "home grown" citizens actually practice this policy quite successfully.

For example, Kuwait.

50% of the people living/working in Kuwait are not indiginous Kuwaitis.

What rights do they have?

Well, so long as they've pased rigourous tests that prove thet have something to contribute to the state thet are allowed to stay on a rolling basis.

Once their contribution is deemed to be over, it's thanks very much, and cheerio.

No citizenship, and no citizenship for any children born during your stay. And NO benefits.

Most "real" countries practice this.

Of course, we are no longer a "real" country, we are simply a dumping ground.
9

The Daleks,

Longmen 13/04/2008 02:16:39
Sorry for the typos.
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An Beal Bacht,

13/04/2008 05:56:24
I don't think the UK power elite are that bothered about a few Islamic nutters. I think they have other targets in mind. What is the most urgent threat to UK stability? That will be the target.
11

Shhh... you know who,

Safe House, London SW1 13/04/2008 07:24:57
Confidential - Eyes Only.

Look, we're having a spot of bother with our Scottish friends up north. Getting a bit above their station, wanting independence, that sort of thing. Now the PM's frothing about it, says there's an electoral issue at stake. It seem the Scots all used to vote labour. (Between us, can't think why. Thought they'd be glad to see the back of the Scottish Raj. Sent them all down here to plague us.) Anyway, we want you to Go and Do Something About It, there's a good fellow. Good idea not to be too obvious, invent a cover story, misinformation, the usual, you know. What? You have already? Terrorism? Oh, jolly good show! That'll do it. I'll see you get your gong for this.
12

an interested party,

13/04/2008 07:26:02
'MI5 IS to create a team of "Scottish spooks" in a bid to prevent outrages like the Glasgow Airport attack '

what a crap job that will be, i am sure some concrete barriers would be much more effective and cheaper whilst also increasing the 'spooks' combined intelligence

on the up side they are at least not calling it a bombing any more

13

Guga II,

Rockall 13/04/2008 07:27:30
#5 & #8

Couldn't agree more.

Incidentally, it wouldn't be the first time that they have used, and are using, MI5 to keep an eye on the restless natives.
14

Kyle,

Pilton 13/04/2008 07:33:15
Remember Willie McRae
15

donald,

glasgow 13/04/2008 08:07:38
More spooks on top of the media, Tame Union, academic and Brit "left" ones? They'll need to squeeze Scotland a bit hader in order to pay for them.
16

Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 08:38:57
I would think any 'spooks' will be recruited to keep a close eye on us indigenous Scots. Then when it looks like independence will be achieved through the ballot box a 'terrorist' plot to blow up Jackie Ballie will be discovered, and marshall law will be declared.
Then we'll all live happy ever after under the Union flag
17

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 08:56:42
Evidence already of why the SNP can't be trusted to defend national security and public safety. A quick synopsis.

1. Let's empty the jails.
2. Let's pretend there's no terrorist threat. Only nice Muslims live in the happy-clappy multi-ethnic paradise that is Scotland. No nasty psychos hiding amongst them, oh no, not under Uncle Eck.
18

eric,

13/04/2008 08:59:16
England Is only interested in its back door!
19

BK,

Cyberspace 13/04/2008 09:08:01
Scots Spies or Scotch Pies? The latter would be more useful!
20

mcrusty,

13/04/2008 09:23:43
And don't be fooled by the London marathon either, another thinly veiled plot to undermine the SNP and derail nationalism .
21

Stepford Nat,

13/04/2008 09:32:04
16 Kyle

No, I don't...
22

Heilan laddie,

13/04/2008 09:38:34
Why waste all that tax payer money and not really solve the problem. I am sure the money would be better spent on a mass resettlement programme back to the Middle Eastern country of their choice.
But for our spineles MP's who are all so afraid to say anything nasty about these terrible chaps, they make the problem worse.
23

Boab,

Glasgow 13/04/2008 10:16:30
Oh, we get to comment on this one? How nice. For last week's reportage of the terrorist trials in London I was all ready to point out that the government's official version of the London bombings was, demonstrably, a load of tripe, but the pesky Hootsman didn't allow comments.

Radical mosques were already infiltrated up to the hilt before the London bombing; more to the point, Abu Hamza had been recruiting and financing terrorists since 1998 without bothering to make a secret of it, even giving interviews to the press. Visiting the wrong websites and going around saying 'I am a terrorist' like Alva's Mohammed Siddique can now get you a prison sentence of eight years.

So, rather than spending taxpayer's money on more spooks, HM government should probably just act on their existing intelligence (maybe that's the problem?).

Still waiting for an explanation of how four ordinary British Muslims with internet access were able to get hold of military grade explosive?
24

Mcsnagpile,

13/04/2008 10:24:02
The UK is so good at being SPOOKY. Remember Canary Warf, the missile attack on ten Downing Street, Manchester bombings, oh! and of course putting the wrong people in jail for life. Of course the IRA spoke a strong Northern Irish dialect that the Sassenachs did not know. Perhaps if they had discovered shirttails and fuzzy beards they could have spooked better
25

diadhaire,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 11:14:45
Effective Spooks Are Less Expensive

In the States, they've spent over $500 billion and climbing in Iraq with no end in sight.How many trillions will it take to restore a semblance of a peaceful society? In the meantime, thousands of soldiers have been so badly injured that they'll never have a normal life and will require billions of dollars over their lifespans to support them.

Now, wouldn't it have been less expensive in money and lives (US,UK,Iraq)to have spent a few billion dollars back in the 80's and 90's for spooks to have headed much of this off? The CIA had its excesses but relying on electronic surveillance to an extreme in deference to spooks in the filed has proven a costly lesson for the US and UK alike.
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SCSI,

Haxby N Yorks 13/04/2008 12:36:06
I have read all the comments on this subject and I could not agree more. I was born in Edinburgh and served in the armed forces from the age of 15 1/2 until I was 40. I have lived within the areas of the Middle East and fought out there as a private soldier. This country of ours has go to the dogs and has done slowly for a number of years. Immigration is a joke and there are a minority of Brit Nat and imigrants who sere this country well and are tarred witht the same brush as those radical barstewards. The Government has always got an uleriative motive , Spooks in Scotland , what a load of piffil . They are already there and have been for a number of years . I do not support the views of the BNP and never will , however, it is about time the MP's in and out of Power started to eard their mony and stop living of us. I have many friend from all backgrounds, cultures and religions and are good friends indeed so lets not forget there are some good people out there. The enemy we have created ourselves and the look just like you and I.
27

thaijambo,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:22:14
Why not put Billy Liar Smeato in charge? He'd sort out all these bad men and make this country a safer place for sure.
28

Ceberus,

Glasgow 13/04/2008 13:42:15
Why does most thread's on the Scottish papers web sites turn into a torrent of Scottish Nationalistic drivle?
Why are the vocal minority within Scotland so insecure? This includes the majority of MSP's.

As a Scot and proud of my heritage I am embarressed by the pathetic rants and conspiracy theories. People in the rest of the UK don't mind if Scotland goes it's own way. Please grow up.
29

Alan B,

13/04/2008 16:00:24
With the snp undermining the UK and potentially causing its demise then there is no wonder that Brown has ensure more MI5 recruitment to ensure the survival of the british state by all means possible.
30

bill-alba,

fife 13/04/2008 16:37:34
#30 as a scot I am constantly embarrased by you britnats who then go on to say they are proud to be scots...get over yourself
31

Sambo,

The deep south 13/04/2008 16:43:00
One week prior to the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport, a friend of mine who is a plumber and working near the airport, reported two middle eastern men with a Jeep Cherokee taking pictures of the terminal building. He called the police later that day, they never got back with him apparently dismissing the incident. The eyes and ears of the public are so important, whether it be drugs or other criminal activities.
32

Paloma negra,

13/04/2008 17:03:37
The threat from Islamic nutters is very real and should not be underestimated.
We need to be really vigilent ... as we have been very lucky so far.

But as usual SNP supporters who contribute to these strands can not see past their own noses ... their lack of clear thinking is alarming.
33

Iain's,

13/04/2008 17:38:37
More piggies to the feeding trough!

We did not need this when the IRA were the enemy.
34

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 18:56:15
#36 Iain's

Duh, that's because the IRA wouldn't have wanted to target it's significant money-raising constituency in the West of Scotland. Different decade, different terrorist apologists.
35

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13/04/2008 23:19:05
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KatherineD,

Kemlaut 13/04/2008 23:43:13
That's MARTIAL LAW, Not Marshall. Although I rather like the Marshall as in the old West.
37

MichScot,

USA 14/04/2008 04:14:06
What? Only a dozen?

Well, it's a start.
38

MichScot,

USA 14/04/2008 04:15:45
#4 And the nose and a few other things, like Arabic...

Hope it works!
39

MichScot,

USA 14/04/2008 04:18:00
#8 I hear you! It's the same here.
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MichScot,

USA 14/04/2008 04:34:04
#11

Agreed! When in Damascus...

#24
Great idea!

#25
We get to comment!!!Free speech for a few minutes!

#28

I agree that there are some great ones out there, but we must remember that Islam is a system, not just a religion. A very scary system.

#34
Isn't it a shame that so much money is wasted, while important things like police and firemen, and other basics lose out? They probably outsourced their police force that day.

#36

The IRA had a similar ideology. These guys don't.
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tassiestag,

rosebery 15/04/2008 10:05:24
#28 YER HARD TAE FOLLOW but i think whit ye mean is right #36 when was the IRA a enemy o, scotland?

 

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