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Published Date: 03 June 2007
ONE of Scotland's most powerful businessmen has admitted he made racist remarks to Pakistani immigrants when he was growing up in Leith - acts which he still feels shame over.
Sir Tom Farmer says he made the offensive comments out of "sheer ignorance" and is hoping that youngsters can learn from his mistakes.

The owner of Hibernian FC will draw upon his experiences when he addresses hundreds of schoolchildren this week
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Farmer will urge them to embrace tolerance and multiculturalism at a keynote address to mark the launch of a new exhibition celebrating the life of Anne Frank, the young Jewish diarist who was murdered by the Nazis after hiding in secret rooms in an Amsterdam office.

The tycoon will also call on Scotland's leaders to create an outward-looking nation which extends the hand of friendship to incomers, claiming that difficulties with immigration have been "blown out of proportion".

The former pupil of Edinburgh's Holy Cross Academy looked back to the reaction of himself and his friends to the arrival of immigrants from the Indian subcontinent in the late 1940s and 1950s.

"At the time these were strange people to us," he said. "There is no doubt that when I was a young lad I said some things that were unkind to the other young laddies who had come over from Pakistan.

"We were boys and acted like young boys do in the playground. I was among those who pulled the legs of the Pakistani boys and cracked jokes about them. We did it through sheer ignorance and never realised how hurtful and unkind our remarks must have been.

"I now realise that some things I said as jokes really weren't funny at all.

"You can't undo these things, but hopefully the young people that I'm going to speak to can learn from my experiences."

The future businessman subsequently learned that even apparently innocuous comments can be hurtful after being referred to as "Jock" by non-Scots.

"I used to say 'My name's not Jock, it's Tom' and get a bit annoyed," he said. "That reminded me to be respectful, even with remarks that are meant to be lighthearted, when speaking to people from other cultures and backgrounds."

Yet Farmer believes that further campaigns are needed to eradicate pockets of ignorance and bigotry in Scotland.

"It is unfortunate that sometimes people dwell on the small problems that sometimes occur with people who are new to Scotland," he said. "Yet every day when I visit shops, restaurants and workplaces I see people from other countries who are fitting in to life in Scotland, working hard and making a positive contribution."

Farmer will recall his childhood at Edinburgh Synagogue on Wednesday.

Gillian Walnes, the chief executive of the Anne Frank Trust, described the businessman as "courageous" for drawing attention to an episode in his life that most would choose to sweep under the carpet.

"It is very brave of Sir Tom to admit that he, like many others, held a less positive attitude in the past and has learned from his life experiences," she said.



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1

Jim A,

03/06/2007 05:16:14

What's wrong with being called Jock. In the Army the Welsh were Taff, the Irish were Paddy and the English were anything you wanted, nobody took offence.

2

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 03/06/2007 05:52:32

What sort of Namby Pamby bullsh!t is this?

"I used to say 'My name's not Jock, it's Tom' and get a bit annoyed,"

Good God, man!!! You must have spent a lot of time being "annoyed".

Personally, I feel proud when people call me Jock.

It is people like Tom Farmer who perpetrate prejudice by 'pretending' to not notice that someone is Pakistani or African or Swedish. He needs to realise that these people ARE Pakistani, African or Swedish and are PROUD to be so.

So recognise it and celebrate it and stop being "annoyed"

3

Mikey,

03/06/2007 07:33:32

Nothing like a bit of racial stereotyping to bring out the unionists!

When I've been south of the Rio Tweed, I've heard the usual Jock, Paddy and Taffy taunts and I've also heard arabs being referred to as Abdul, Germans as Krauts, Chinese as Charlie (Chan), West Indians as Sam(bo), Japanese as Ying Tong (kinda shows the ignorance of these people) and Spaniards as greasers! Just put the word 'hey!' in front of he names and you'll get what I mean.

But according to the two posters above, that's ok!

Maybe we should start calling every Englishman a 'Herbert.' Would that be ok too?

4

Boy Wonder,

03/06/2007 07:50:21

You should hear what the Greeks call the Turks, the Jews call the Arabs, Americans call Canadians, what Saudis call Yemenis, the Chinese call the Japanese, the Norse call the Swedes, etc, etc, etc ....

Come on .... this is a human phenomenon. The trick is NEVER to take it seriously and to always think of it as friendly banter!

I grew up with ONE black lad in my whole school and he was NEVER called anything racist. Heck, if you wore NHS glasses, THAT was the worst offence!

I don't know where it all comes from, but I never saw Racism of any kind until I went down to London in '76!

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james 1st,

nz- 03/06/2007 08:41:25

different people stand out especially those who are antisocial. those who just work and fit in dont stand out so the bad stereotype is seen not the good, this is the source of most problems. for a wealthy businessman this bloke seems to have a very thin skin i grew up in new zealand with a strong scots accent and getting called jock never bothered me at all

6

Teeny Totty Turqouise Hexagon Bun,

03/06/2007 09:47:45

I also grew up in Leith , and we had our own problems with the Pakistanis, totally through ignorance (on both sides).

The crap our parents came out with didnt help the situation.. bound to happen when two world collide, as normal education and tolerance is the key.

I miss our take-ons at football , Scotland vs India (regardless of the amount of times we were told "we are from Pakistan'!

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03/06/2007 10:10:38
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howyoudoingboy,

UK and proud 03/06/2007 10:15:54

#3 MIKEY


i am a unionist and say kill racial stereotyping stone dead all it does is perpetuate separation and division
causing a fractured polarised society

the problem is individuals who have been socialised
from birth come to believes this behavior is acceptable when plainly it is not.
its a bit like slaves saying slavery is OK and as for insulting the English you will find in any society the ruling elite is immune from insults as they have
all the power and do not have to jump up and down on street corners protesting

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cokebottle,

Oz 03/06/2007 10:22:33

I'm no great lover of racially oriented jokes,at the moment I'm living in one of the most racially diverse countries on the planet and at the end of the day you have to get on with people. However it strikes me that whenever racism is mentioned the crititism is usually directed at the whites European s,Anglo Saxons. whatever.I don't suppose Pakistanis have any jokes about the Scots or for that matter Indians. No one has a monopoly when it comes to racism.

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Pilrig,

Livingston 03/06/2007 10:35:08

A sinner has repented of his sin. End of story.

By the way my name isnae Jock so why should I suffer being called Jock by some ignoramus ?

11

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 03/06/2007 11:30:30

Those cringe worthy individuals who revel in being known by the derogatory term “Jocks” should just go the full hog and refer to themselves as “Uncle Tams”.

12

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03/06/2007 11:31:34
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cokebottle,

Oz 03/06/2007 11:38:30

#13 Well then, don't.

14

Bien E. Bien,

03/06/2007 11:54:13

When I started a new job in London a few years ago, one of the first things that I was told (by the office manager) was: "ah, so you are a sweaty". I had absolutely no idea what the guy was talking about. When it was explained to me, I commented back that I would rather be a sweaty sock than a cockney.

The same guy who called me a sweaty was later given a verbal warning for calling somebody else a nigger.

15

HMB,

Glasgow 03/06/2007 11:56:16

#12, it's that logic that allows quite a number of our Scottish "business leaders" to make life hell for anyone who isn't part of the old boys' network, no matter what their colour, gender, or origin. "Looking after your own" does not have to mean making life hell for everyone else (IE, you can defend your own without attacking others.)

16

HMB,

Glasgow 03/06/2007 12:12:41

#15, that's nothing. I recall one of our "business leaders" making disparaging comments about a female colleague because she was...divorced. Apparently divorce is still a social faux pas in Kilmacolm.

17

Eric D,

Glasgow 03/06/2007 16:37:07

This story is just a reminder to tell us that it not PC to call our wonderful immigrants derogatory names or the "thought police" will be after you. We all live in a multi-cultural utopia free of ghetto's , terrorists and segregation. Everything is positively hunky- dory , you just have to watch the recent Panarama report on Blackburn to confirm this. Lets all go to Pakistan and experience real tolerance and brotherly love, shall we.

I have a better idea , why don't we sack all the taxpayer funded PC types. Bring out all the issues relating to each of the desparate groups under an understanding of assimilation and begin a dialog of open, inclusive nation building - OUR OWN.

18

RedSwanie,

neither here nor there 03/06/2007 17:01:06

Hey, in American it's a grand compliment to be called a "jock." That's a slang term for an big, strong, highly athletic sports hero. I suppose most jocks are sweaty, too, with sweaty socks. It all goes back to the auld country, does it not?

19

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 03/06/2007 17:21:56

16 .. you haven't really cottoned on to what life is about yet ... it's not fair, and no PC or equal opportunities waste of space twit is going to change that because we are human beings and human's have bias points of view ...

Nobody is going to persuade me that I 'need' to employ outside my own and indeed why should they waste time trying to ensure I do .. if I was so inclined ... the world is big place and if the government just let folk run their lives like they wanted to everything would work out fine ...

The thing is that the PC lot LOVE to see folk who don't want to employ foreigners HAVING to emply them ... they probably don't give a rats behind about the foriegner !

The simple fact is there are too many immigrants in Scotland, too many benefit junkies, and too many folk spouting out drivel about how this is somehow alright ....

They are selling us a dung sandwich and telling us it's great ... we all know it's sh1t but folk are too terrified of the PC brigade to say so or do anything about it .... !!

Just a small point but say we didn't let any old 'stani's' into the UK or the USA at all ... would 9/11 or the London Bombings have happened ? Would we have racial tension? Would we need to spend a disproportionate amount of taxpayers money on 'translators' in schools, hospitals, etc, etc, on 'ethnix liraries, on Mosques (!) ? ... Would we miss the 'anti terror' laws?

In fact if they all went home to whatever 'stan' they came from; would is them at all or would we feel a great weight lifted from our shoulders ??

The fact that 'incoming' communities are the most racist of all against us 'natives' has never been tackled ... it's all a one way street and about time something was done about it.

Enoch Powell predicted and hit the nail on the head - say other wise and your just hiding behind the PC curtain of a different reality. Multiculturism doesn't work and it will be a sorry day it it does because all our and al

20

nell from falkirk,

03/06/2007 17:36:58

#21 you do seem to be overlooking the fact that most of the folk who come here from India, Pakistan etc, have this right because WE trampled and ravaged our way through THEIR country, stealing and killing and seizing whatever we could find for ourselves.

It wasn't called "terrorism" in those days, it was called "colonization", and we actually managed, by an astonishing feat of mental gymnastics, to persuade ourselves we were doing them a favour!

And you also seem to be forgetting many many years of pre-London bombing terror - which wasn't carried out by anybody from anything-istan; remember the IRA?

21

Jim A,

03/06/2007 18:28:28

#3 Mikey, the people I called Paddy, Taff, or Jock were all friends, comrades, people I went to war with and people I trusted with my life. Even now years later I am still in contact with a good number of those people and still call them Paddy or Taff. Also for your information I am neither a Unionist nor a racist. You pal know nothing about me, where I've been or what I've done so don't you presume to judge me.

22

Ian Curtis,

03/06/2007 18:28:35

You reap what you sew you daft gits..

Have you not worked that out yet ?

23

Jim A,

03/06/2007 18:32:35

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, Illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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HMB,

Glasgow 03/06/2007 18:56:31

#21, I'm one of those "too many immigrants" you blame for all of our ills, although a troubling number of natives here insist that I "don't count" as an immigrant because I'm a white, native speaker of English. (Both I and the Home Office would beg to differ.) I run my own business, partially because I've struggled against too many employers such as yourself who judge me on my accent and not my business abilities. In running my business I contribute taxes to the economy, unlike a measurable percentage of those who were born and bred here. So your ranting categorisation of me as a PC obsessed racist force-feeding you a dung sandwich stands for what it is. I know what it's like to have to struggle every day against bigotry and ignorance in this country based solely on where I was born, and I'm damn tired of it.

In any case you missed my point from earlier entirely: it's your prerogative to prefer your own, but that's quite different from actively targeting and attacking others simply because they're "others". Tom Farmer has been man enough to acknowledge that he's done that in the past and is taking this lesson into schools in hopes that others don't repeat his mistake. Only the most bitter, twisted individuals would prefer to see our children growing up ignorant and spiteful.

25

mr chips,

03/06/2007 19:25:26

Can we still call a spade a spade or is it a shovel?

26

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 03/06/2007 20:21:52

I recall a world cup game in 1970. England v W Germany. We were soldiers watching the game in a pub in Bavaria.

At 2-0 England the Germans left the bar and the barman said to me (I was one of three of our group who were sitting at the bar) that we must be happy.

I pointed out to the barman that next to me was Taff Jenkins and next to him was Paddy Cromie and that we did not give a who was winning.

The point here is that some people do not like being stereotyped and some do not mind. I can't complain as Jack is also Jock to Scots.

It took the Aussies to come up with Pom and settle the balance against the instigators of homogenisation of nationals from other countries.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 03/06/2007 20:30:56

Most people who come out onto the streets when the pubs close look like they are from Cannaestan

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Teeny Totty Turqouise Hexagon Bun,

03/06/2007 21:09:51

Theres nothing PC about accepting that everyone else has as much right as yourself to live on the planet.

I dont tolerate people who think otherwise, maybe that makes me "racist" in some odd way.

Sooner we breed out the halfwits the better.

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Long Black Veil,

USA 04/06/2007 02:24:04

... but ... if Scottish people are offended by Cockney slang epithets how in the world did they miss Mike Myers' portrayal of the Scotsman in "The Spy Who Shagged Me." That most certainly would have been the point to launch a class action suit since the film was a blockbuster and made a lot of loot. Really, think of the possibilities. Well, if I were Scottish, I'd have thought of it.
But seriously, folks, if you want to talk bigotry, have a go at Youtube. Just try to get some recent footage of a Rangers or Celtic game and you will be barraged with offensive videos made by both sides, though I must admit, as someone who does not have a dog in the fight, that the Celtic videos are more mean-spirited attempts to slander a religious group. And for me as an American it's absolutely mind-boggling that white Christian males of any denomination can find anything to knock each other about in these troubled times. Can't we all just get along?

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Anthony,

Glasgow 04/06/2007 09:50:03

More subtle connections being drawn between those critical of mass multicultural experimentation, one of the major causes of war on our planet, and the Nazis. When will this torrent of bias end? Racism does exist and should be stamped on wherever it is encountered. Some people however are just far too sensitive. They don't seem to understand or want to understand our culture, our use of language and banter, (as opposed to genuine racial abuse which is wrong). When they then demand that we make more effort to understand theirs, why does a picture come to mind of shifting goal posts?

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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:16:53

18 - Exactly.
and if somebody referred to me as a 'sweaty' I'd rearrange their face.

33

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:17:49

20 - It doesn't.

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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:20:26

21 - what is to be the predominant culture of Scotland ? British or Scottish ? cos they are different no matter what G. Broon sez.

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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:22:00

25 - eh ? Some coherence si vou plais

36

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:23:17

27 - depends if it's got a square end (shovel) or a slightly pointed end (spade).

37

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:27:00

33 - to the tune of Land of Hope & Glory;

"We hate Glasgow Rangers,
We hate Celtic too (they're sh*te),
We hate Heart of Midlothian,
But Hibees we love you."

Anyone of any race or religion can sing that ditty, no exclusion here !

38

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/06/2007 17:30:21

Dragonhead 36 - England won that game due to a goal (3rd) that never was, ok'd by a Russian linesman who was responding to cries of "Remember Stalingrad !"

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Long Black Veil,

04/06/2007 18:55:41

Let's do a little test. Today there was an article on this site about a local pipe band that can't perform in an 80-year old festival because its numbers have gotten too low and the band is too geographically dispersed. What if there were Polish or Pakistani bagpipers in the area who knew all the right tunes. Would they be welcome to join the band? If so, then Scotland has passed the test as far as I'm concerned. If not, it's failed. One of the things that makes Germany an impossible country for immigrants is that the definition of what it means to be German has always been along blood lines (if you're mother is German, you're German) by racial type. That means you can live there for generations, speak perfect German and still not be considered German by most Germans if you don't look German. Is Scotland like that? Think about it and get back to me on this, please.


 

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