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Published Date: 26 August 2007
"Obviously, there are grounds like Ibrox and Tynecastle where you get every insult under the sun, but it's a decision I chose to make. I've stood by it, but I get a lot of stick as well. There are still grounds I go to where, when the ball goes out for a throw-in and I go to pick it up, sometimes I feel like putting my hands over my ears with some of the stick. But that's what happens."
THAT was Aiden McGeady talking about the abuse he continues to suffer in football grounds in Scotland for declaring his international allegiance to the Republic of Ireland. In his defence, and as an example of the double standards at play here, it wo
uld be the easiest thing in the world to cite the cases of James Morrison and Jay McEveley and their own conversion to Scottishness.

We could quote Morrison saying he is English, we could point out that the likely reason himself and McEveley are wearing the blue is because they knew they would never wear England's white. But that would be a cheap shot. There have been enough of those landed on McGeady in the last few years for them to be added to here.

The McGeady case is not an easy one to get your head around. Not for those who shower him with invective at any rate. Talk about the nuances of race and nationalism and a sense of belonging with some of these people and you may as well talk to the wall. More and more in Scotland we are coming to a point where kids born and reared here will, given the chance, play football for Poland and Nigeria and Lithuania and Latvia. The countries of their parents and grandparents. Patriotism doesn't begin and end in the land of your birth. It's sheer hypocritical nonsense to say that it does.

"Aiden's family comes from my part of the world, Donegal," said Packie Bonner once, "and like a lot of Scots boys with roots from there he has a strong link with Ireland."

Is that so hard to understand? Those who abuse him now will say he opted for the Republic for expedience sake. Not out of intuition or love for Donegal but in the interests of advancing his own international career. At the time, of course, the Republic were an attractive proposition whereas Scotland had gone to the dogs, so it was an easy thing to throw at him. He turned his back on Scotland for his own self-serving reasons, right?

Some mean things have been said. Why can't the invective brigade at Ibrox and Pittodrie and Tynecastle - McGeady says the verbals are worse at Hearts than anywhere else, which, it has to be said, doesn't come as one of the great revelations of modern times - accept that a large strand of Irishness runs through McGeady? Why can't they accept - as they accept Morrison and McEveley - that the reason he wanted to play for the Republic of Ireland was because of something in his heart and not his head?

Let's face it, even when he took this decision at 15 he would have had a sense of what was coming his way in the stadiums of Scotland. If he didn't, then his parents would have had. Still they made the decision. It's not been a comfortable one and it has caused him a lot of grief in recent years.

The grief will probably never come to an end until he leaves Scotland, for just as you will always have a core element shouting obscenities at managers and then taking the huff when the managers react, McGeady is going to be branded a traitor until the end of his footballing days. It's mean-spirited and irrational, but as Gordon Strachan said last week, that's the world we live in right now.

Vlad's promises feel like PR


WITH the announcement of a £51m redevelopment of Tynecastle Vladimir Romanov has at last started to fulfil his promise of challenging the Old Firm, in one sense at least. When Romanov followed up Saturday's wretched performance against Gretna with details of his lavish plans for the old stadium, he attempted to hijack the agenda in the grand manner of a David Murray. Promises of grandeur in the midst of supporter unrest was a PR technique patented by the Ibrox chairman.

There are Hearts fans who are worried. The thought of the club's debt rising to £80m is making some queasy. They shouldn't be all that concerned, though, for if Romanov's vision for Tynecastle brings the same results as his drive for dominance in Scotland and Europe then the supporters will be sitting in that ramshackle stand till doomsday.

Warnock won't be moving north - yet


THERE was always something not quite right about the yarn that had Neil Warnock on the verge of a move to Inverness, something, frankly, preposterous. It was reported, rather breathlessly, that the former Sheffield United manager was "very interested" in the gig.

Yesterday he put the record straight in his column in The Independent. "Sometimes newspaper stories take on a life of their own," Warnock wrote. "Take the one this week linking me with the manager's job at Inverness Caledonian Thistle. It began when I was spotted filling up with petrol at a garage near Glasgow. Within the hour I got a call from a journalist asking if it was true I was in for the Inverness job. I said, 'I bet some of the refs in England would like me to go that far away'. I added that Sharon (his wife) and I had never written off managing in Scotland, that we had family there and liked visiting. I also talked about when Sheffield United played at Inverness pre-season, how I enjoyed visiting the Highland Games and what a lovely place it was."

Ah, don't you just love Warnock's innocence. "Within hours I had nine journos calling. I explained, without being disrespectful to Inverness, it was not quite what I was looking for, and I was not in a rush to get back into work, simply on a break with the family."

Too late for denials, Neil. The tabloid boys knew you wanted it really, deep down.

"It did not seem to do the trick. By Thursday the BBC website had me on a shortlist of three and the papers were following suit. I had not even spoken to the club. Finally, David Sutherland, the former chairman, rang me. I said, 'Let's put this to bed, I'm not interested. Best of luck with whoever you do appoint.' Just to repeat the message, I'm not a candidate, never was, and with due respect to Inverness it is not a job I fancy at the moment."

That'll be a no then?

Talk is cheap, so no money for sport, then


STEWART Maxwell, the minister for sport, wants to kick-start a national conversation on how Scottish sportsmen and women can compete on the world stage. My guess is that it's going to be a pretty brief chat.

Minister to athlete: "So how can I help you fulfil your potential and win things?"

Athlete to minister: "Well, you can build some facilities and give me good coaching. You can maybe help me out financially, a few tax breaks like they have in Ireland, perhaps."

Minister to athlete: "Oh, I was thinking more of workshops and think-tanks."

Athlete to minister: "No extra money, then?"

Minister to athlete: "Is that the time already? Well, this has been most productive."

Thank you minister.



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  • Last Updated: 25 August 2007 8:47 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

Boberto,

26/08/2007 00:09:34

Tommy Burns of Celtic said that McGeady chose the Republic of Ireland over Scotland not because of any feeling for the ROI but because he thought they would be more successful.

As for the motivation for the stick McGeady takes, other Scots-born players such as Tommy Coyne of Celtic and Owen Coyle played for the Republic of Ireland and there was no fuss. Because, unlike McGeady, they weren't wanted by Scotland.

2

Finkle,

26/08/2007 00:18:08

Absolutely nailed it, Boberto. What Mr English neglects to mention, doing so would immediately torpedo his argument, is that whilst McEveley and Morrison weren't wanted by the English, McGeady WAS wanted by Scotland.

3

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 00:33:00

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war,there is no greater honour than to represent the country of your birth,anything else is second best,freedom!

4

Paul in Oz,

Brissie today Sydney tomorrow 26/08/2007 01:06:20

I would NEVER think about playing for Australia, was born in Scotland am Scottish plain and simple.

Dad's English but wouldn't think of playing for them either even if i had the choice.

Shame on you McGeady you deserve everything you get

5

An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 01:13:00

So much for 'One Scotland.' Absolutely shocking and I hope tghe abuse continues. I've Irish mates who openly don't want him playing for their country and taking a real Irish boys place. Also, I know of at least two friends who are Celtic season ticket holders who abuse him week in week out for turning his back on Scotland. All my other Celtic supporting mates think he is scum. Good on them. Oh, and I support Killie and can speak Irish, so no tired arguments about bigotry.

6

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 26/08/2007 01:26:43

I just cannay understaun it. The lad didnay know what he was doin' and others around him encouraged him. Bad advice indeed and something he'll regret when he realises what it's o' about. I don't think there's any need for the slaggin' but - he'll regret it in later life; stewin' for decades is enough torment.

7

Pat the Hat,

Baile an tSaoir 26/08/2007 01:33:23

Well, I'm an Irishman and a Celtic fan who loves the fact that McGeady plays for Ireland. And is going to be a great among many great young players we are bringing through at the moment.

And all my Celtic supporting Irish friends think likewise, as do my non-Celtic-supporting Irish friends. McGeady's excellent performance against Denmark on Wednesday night was one of the prime topics of conversation among us in one of Dublin's finest pubs tonight.

8

go on my son,

adelaide S.A. 26/08/2007 02:12:01

#5 because you support Killie and can speak Irish makes you a non bigot. What utter nonsense. Your comment "good on them" proves that. You seem to want to use your mates, or I know this guy, or I heard, to justify your comments, its all bull pal... As for Aiden, he is a wonderful player who has the devine right to choose whichever country, within the rules, he plays for and in this case he has elected to play for Ireland. Get over it....At least he wont be abused by the home support which is something Anton Rogan had to endure during his tenure at left back for N.Ireland. Anton choose the country of his birth but the hatred he received was unbeliveable.

9

Pat Gallagher,

Russia 26/08/2007 02:15:02

Aiden McGeady is a fantastic young footballer. He should be allowed the same privilege to get on with his life in peace and quiet like the rest of us.
I may not agree with Aiden McGeady's decision to opt to play for Ireland rather than Scotland, but I can certainly understand it. As a Scotsman born and raised in Glasgow from Irish parents I have witnessed the pathetic anti catholic / Irish bigotry that has prevailed throughout Scottish society. As a young man, these experiences contributed in no small way to me not feeling quite as Scottish as my fellow Scotsmen and I may add this had nothing to do with any great love for Ireland.
People like Jack McConnell and the Rev John Miller (former moderator of the Church of Scotland) should be applauded for raising the profile of the bigotry problem. Rev John Miller during his tenure as moderator apologized to Scots of Irish / Catholic descent for the bigotry preached from the pulpit.
Maybe future generations of kids from all races and creeds will enjoy that warm cozy feeling of Scottishness and acceptance. Time will tell.

10

Steafan,

Japan 26/08/2007 02:36:46

There is no difference between McGeady getting abuse from Scotland supporters for opting for Ireland, than a football club's supporters giving abuse to a player that turned his back on them for another club.

That's football, that's what happens. Robbie Winters was a favourite of United supporters; then he left for Aberdeen. As soon as he turned out in an Aberdeen shirt at Tannadice, he got dog's abuse.

Not saying it's right, but let's not pretend that bigotry plays a part here. Robbie Winters was a very skilful, fast dangerous winger/striker. Talented. That's why he got dog's abuse after leaving Tannadice! McGeady is talented, if he wasn't, then he wouldn't be targeted.

11

Leon,

Hong Kong 26/08/2007 03:11:36

10

Yes! But only the United fans gave him dogs abuse in Aiden's case it is every bigot in the country.

5
Your talking nonesense! Celtic fans love him as long as he plays as good as he can. Some, maybe a lot would like to see him playing for Scotland but it is his choice, it is how he sees himself.

Respect his wishes and shut your bigoted mouths. After Neil Lennon you certainly need somebody else to vent your spleen against and this young man is an easy option.

12

Tobago Street,

Canada 26/08/2007 04:06:45

Number 3, T-rex

"there is no greater honour than to represent the country of your birth"

. . . Just ask Neil Lennon.

13

Devil's advocate,

26/08/2007 05:58:41

Usual argument.

Disagree with the Sellik line and you are a bigot.

It does get so tedious.

14

eric,

Lothian 26/08/2007 06:23:20

No passion in the decision then,hes done it for the wrong reasons then ,If most folk agree with him then whats all the fuss if someone in Scotland wears and England top
Most of my family are real irish.It doesnt make me irish.

15

redandwhitehoops,

26/08/2007 06:46:41

He's so ugly he'd disgrace the Scotland shirt anyway

16

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 06:49:24

And your point is caller 12,apart from being pointless,I wasn't aware that Lennon went and played for some other country,it's a bit like people who emigrate,they want the best of both worlds.To be able to wallow in songs of their grannies "heilan croft",while enjoying that better life that they left these shores to achieve,while we true Scots stay and accept this land of our birth for what it is,not perfect but still our homeland.

17

spider pig,

26/08/2007 07:08:27

#11
Why do people like you jump on the 'bigot' bandwagon just because we are critical of a lad born and bred in Scotland not wanting to play for us. It's not bigoted and has nothing to do with sectarianism you buffoon.
Trust me the abuse would have been much worse if a scots born Rangers player chose to play for England.
If that happened i would dislike that player just as much as i dislike Mcgeady.

18

Scoop in the City,

26/08/2007 07:23:30

Just what was the point Aiden? What are / were you trying to prove? You sound Scottish, you were born in Scotland, you were brought up in Scotland. Yet you go off and declare that you are Irish.
You may well have the right under the current rules - but what does that say about YOU?

He gets boo'd, not because he is Irish, not because he is catholic (if he is) - but because he is traitor to the land of his birth. This is not about bigotry.

19

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 07:29:58

mer·ce·nar·y (mûr's?-ner'e)
adj.
Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
Hired for service in a foreign army.Shurely shum mishtake,not our Aiden,shurely shurely shum mishtake.

20

whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 07:36:30

Spider
Do you dislike abuse McEveley and Morrison for playing with scotland. Do/Will you insult them when you go to the Scottish games

21

james 1st,

nz 26/08/2007 07:38:58

i think the person above who said that these english boys chose to play for scotlandwere not wanted by england, no problem playing for scotland. mcgeady was wanted by scotland and turned his back on his country, i have no problem with scottish supporters not liking that, he should bugger off and play in ireland or england

22

Encephalon,

26/08/2007 07:39:02

He is not really that good anyway!

23

Mr Benn,

Blarney 26/08/2007 07:54:11

I have to laugh at all you eejits calling him a traitor. Has he sold off state secrets to the russians? It's only football you sad pathetic losers

24

Eric D,

Glasgow 26/08/2007 07:54:59

Tom English - There is no double standard
going on. The two English players you mentioned are not welcome by everyone. Some belief they should never put on a Scotland strip. They are keeping out genuine contenders.

25

whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 07:57:32

Looking at the postings that are up for Mcgeady's shot and curlys, I'm not surprised to see there are a fair percentage of Rangers fans who tend to spend most of their time on the Follow Follow forum. Strange that McGeady's a turncoat traitor of the lowest order but Smith just had to do what was in his heart and go back to Ibrox.
BTW is Smith wants to go to Ibrox so what. If McGeady wants to play for Ireland so what. If gordan Brown wants to be PM of england so what

26

Looner,

26/08/2007 08:03:55

Mr Strachan of Glasgow once said of the matter - "He should be hung, drawn and quartered".

Discussion over.

27

puskas,

East Kilbride 26/08/2007 08:11:22

Many of the posters are misguided in their assumption that Scotland had originally wanted Aiden to play for the country of his birth...

From schools and early youth he had been overlooked for one reason or another..

Aiden only became a possible Scotland pick when Eire came on the scene.
Due to his families Irish background he jumped at the chance as Eire were first to offer him a chance.

Many have to be factually correct before mouthing off. Mistruths of course are quite common to demonise, as the redtops frequently do..

Anyone explain why the ex-ranger McLean? (Scottish playing for Motherwell) decided to play for N.Ireland and isn't abused. Answer on a postage stamp please...

28

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 08:17:15

NOTE FOR 27........International career
As a young player, he represented the Scottish national team, up to Under-15s level and played for the Scottish Schoolboys national team until he joined Celtic. The policy of Glasgow Celtic was at odds with that of the SFA; the Glasgow club insisted that their youngsters were only to play for their youth teams, whilst in order to represent Scotland Schoolboys a player had to be registered with a Schoolboys team.........if you are going to post 27 at least try and make it beleivable.

29

Dr No,

Glasgow 26/08/2007 08:18:32

Why is it that whenever Celtic supporters are losing an argument they always play the bigot card? Other players get abuse too. Richard Gough and Lorenzo Amuroso got some terrible abuse at Celtic park but that seemed to be ok by Celtic and their media friends. Tell Mr McGeady to stop greetin for his mammy and just get on with the job of being a traitor.

30

whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 08:32:54

Dr No,
Maybe he should go and talk to Wattie see if he can explain to him how manages to escape being called a Traitor. I suppose it just because Wattie's got loads of that royal Blue blood running through his veins

31

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 08:36:12

30 Are you still the pope of Avignon,you are obviously confused by your papal bull,as to the McGeady's defection and Walter's change of job.

32

whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 08:44:07

31 T-rex
Of course stupid me Wattie changes jobs and here was me thinking that He walked you on scotland.
Didn't take you long to bring in the Pope. And your mate Dr No say that we're always bring in religion....
LOL

33

Spotter,

26/08/2007 08:45:46

this is why the Irish community remains identified in Scotland had they not suffered odds and ends of bother they would not have had to circle the wagons create an irish identity which is what McGeady followed

34

irnblu,

26/08/2007 08:51:20

He's not good enough to play in the present Scotland team!

35

I-Mac,

26/08/2007 08:51:26

#9,

The extent of sectarianism in present-day Scotland has been greatly exaggerated:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/comment.cfm?id=171622005

But some people are determined to play the victim card at every turn, to further their own agenda.

"Anyone explain why the ex-ranger McLean...?" (#27) He was not wanted by Scotland. In fact many fans don't even know about him. Do you even know his first name? McGeady, in contrast, was not only wanted by Scotland but has been hyped as a wonderboy from the start - and is being given yet another round of publicity now.

36

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 08:54:14

32 your lack of humour is surpassed only by your religious paranoia,the reference to the Pope in Avingon was of a historical bent,perhaps you are unaware that Avingon was once the seat of the other Pope,or more than likely you like to feel the securety of being paranoid.If you are unable to work out the difference in the McGeady/Smith scenario,perhaps you should take up a course at night school to improve your powers of reasoning,doubt if it will cure your humour bypass.

37

Hugh Hefner,

Poznan 26/08/2007 08:57:03

Its only because McGeady is an obvious talent that we have this issue. Aiden can take the abuse and it will make him a bigger man.

38

Lachie Todd,

Scandinavia 26/08/2007 08:58:20

IF, Mr McGeady had been of English, Welsh, Italian, or of Martian descent nobody would have given a second thought to his preferred choice. It just highlights the polarisation of the allegedly Catholic and Protestant communities in West, Central Scotland.

39

Hugh Hefner,

Poznan 26/08/2007 08:58:33

34 - hed walk into the scotland team right now. Thats the problem!

40

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:07:19

GOD BLESS YOU AIDEN

Go onto be the legend you are destined to be and start banging them in at every level.

You are the Scottish leagues Ronaldihno and another reason why we'll be champions again.

41

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:08:28

34

Bitter Irn Bru...very bitter

42

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 09:09:07

how many trophies 40? more than or less than?

43

nearlyneuroticisatube,

portugal 26/08/2007 09:15:06

firstly, the fact that a footballing decision can make thousands of scottish adults turn into animals and scream unrepeatable abuse at a young lad says something is rotten in Scotland. all the guys whove posted defending this abuse, do you find yourself joining in, and how would you feel if it was your kid, how embarrassed would you be if your children or your parents saw you...

as for its okay to abuse him because scotland wanted him. why does that make him worse than players who choose to play for someone else .

I know. to say otherwise would make rangers fans hypocrits as they didnt boo the lad maclean, more importantly they didnt boo
richard Gough
Andy Goram
And the mention of Walter Smith is significant. He left his country in the lurch, much worse than can be levelled at McGeady, but he isnt booed....

The abuse is undefendible

44

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:15:22

The bottom line is this...

It's only the bigots who are booing Aiden. The whole nationality thing is just an excuse.

When they all booed King Lenny...they said it was because of his style of play...it wasn't it was bigotry.

When they booed Peter Grant and Tommy Burns during old firm games it wasn't because of their play or style of play....it was because both are devout catholics. Funny how they never booed Murdo Mcleod who was more a thorn in their side than any other Celtic player in the eighties.

It boils down to bigotry. Nothing more nothing less.

Thankfully Aiden comes from a strong background and will rise above the bigots and delight the Celtic fans with his performances.

Roll on 3 in a row

45

Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 09:18:12

I've always thought how wonderful it would be to be the victim of abuse by oppossing fans - surely it would mean you are doing something right......

I have a friend who really hates wee Aiden (ah all fond and cuddly) with a passion - he follows partick Thistle - I always thought they were a bunch of bigotted bar stewards......

Now, where are the real stories......

Timothy

I presume the Ronaldihno reference is regarding his looks ..........

Song moment - The Irish Rover

46

Glesga Jambo,

26/08/2007 09:20:38

Proud that he gets more abuse when he goes to Tynecastle than anywhere else.

It may also be the fact that as Tynecastle is only stadium with atmosphere that he does hear the abuse more. He turned his back on Scotland and unlike the bigot brothers we are proud to come and represent Scotland.

47

Kevin Williamson,

TheScottishPatient .com 26/08/2007 09:20:43

McGeady was born in Scotland, educated in Scotland, and has lived in Scotland all his life. Which makes him Scottish, no matter how much he wants to turn his back on his native land.

But if McGeady surrounds himself every weekend with 60,000 confused souls who fly Irish flags and sing Irish rebel songs - cos they havent got the guts to stand up for the liberty of their own country - then the condition is obviously infectious.

Chances are McGeady votes red, white and blue unionist - of the New Labour variety - like so many of the so-called Irish "rebels" who follow Celtic.

48

whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 09:22:58

T-rex
I could set my watch by you. Your're answers to my questions are so obvious.
Okay I'll try and help you as you really do need it
Smith walked out on scotland? Yes/No answers on a postcard
McGeady is in your view a traitor a rather heady accusation, with during times of old Capital punishment.
Wattie is, using your same logic a deserter. He deserted his post? Yes/No answers on a postcard.
No only did he leave Scotland but only weeks before he accused a couple of Hibees of not honouring their contacts.
What does Wattie do when he gots to Ibrox?
Well just to confirm that he has the morals of a toad
he signs one of them with the intention of signing the second. You couldn't make it up

For the religious paranoia I'll leave that to people like yourself. I tend to go to place of religious worship for funerals
the rest weddings, baptismes or whatever you can
shove if, wouldn't give them the time of day

49

puskas,

East Kilbride 26/08/2007 09:26:54

No28.
Aiden never played for schoolboy Scotland.

He was never allowed to due to the fact his school never had a football team...

A rule at that time, and may still be.


As I'm involved in youth many kids boys girls are still handicapped .... In some cases creating 5's or 7 teams...

50

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26/08/2007 09:29:18
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason: Scotsman Import, Original comment id: 907244, Article id was mapped to record!
51

Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 09:38:23

whateverthename

your rant suggests that you have a problem - I would respectfully suggest that it is taking life a wee bit too seriously.....

Waldo - the Deserter...... and here was me thinking he moved jobs - you ever done that?

Aiden - all fond and cuddly......

This story is designed for people like you and unfortunately you don't get it.......

Moving on.....

Very slow news day as far as I can see

Still the sun is up....

Song moment - Sun is shining in the sky - there ain't a cloud in sight.......its stopped raining........

52

Thommo,

26/08/2007 09:39:01

"IF, Mr McGeady had been of English, Welsh, Italian, or of Martian descent nobody would have given a second thought to his preferred choice." (38)

I shudder to think what the reaction would have been had he defected to England.

As for Walter Smith, he HAS been given stick for his decision to leave Scotland for Rangers - but Walter is someone who had already done quite a lot for Scotland, both as manager and assistant. Tommy Burns turned his back on Scotland when he thought he wasn't being offered the manager's job, nobody has booed him because of it - and the media (who some think are out to get Celtic) backed him to the hilt.

#43,

"rangers fans [are] hypocrits as they didnt boo the lad maclean" (43)

He never played for Rangers. Have any of the people trying to drag him into it found out his first name yet, by the way? No googling now! :0)

"more importantly they didnt boo richard Gough Andy Goram" (43)

Do you cheer goals against your team as much as goals for? Are you a hypocrite if you don't? Anyway, the cases of Gough and Goram are not the same as McGeady's. Gough and Goram were not wanted by their birth countries. Moreover, not only McGeady but both his parents were born and lived all their lives in Scotland. Let's cease these bogus comparisons.

53

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:39:42

47..Kevin

"But if McGeady surrounds himself every weekend with 60,000 confused souls who fly Irish flags and sing Irish rebel songs - cos they havent got the guts to stand up for the liberty of their own country"

.............

Confused souls are we? Ok tell me what do you think of a Scottish Person who:

1. Wears an England Strip

2. Sings about Saving an English Monarch

3. Sings about a Dutchman massacring Irish people

4. Does nazi german salutes.

5. Votes National Front

6. Sings and chants hatred towards a german religous leader who lives in Rome in Italy.

7. Sings about being executed in Northern Ireland

8. Boos the scottish national anthem.

9. Boos the Irish national anthem.

10. Disrespects one of the greatest Scots Jock Stein who was also a protestant by falsly implicating him in a child abuse scandal 40 years ago.

This "Scottish" person then does the absurd thing, instead of thinking or believing these things...he then goes along to a public entertainment venue to sing and chant this mixture of dutch, irish, english, german, anti catholic, anti irish, anti scottish bile.

How confused is a scottish person who does these things Kevin?

To paraphrase W Fredrick...These people are surely not normal.

54

Thommo,

26/08/2007 09:44:20

"Aiden never played for schoolboy Scotland." (50)

He played for Scotland Schools before he joined Celtic. It was Celtic's decision to stop their young players turning out for their school teams which prevented him playing for Scotland Schools once he went to Parkhead (this can be confirmed on McGeady's own website) - and it does make sense that only people who play for school teams should play for schools selects.

55

Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 09:45:03

This story has been done so many times it realy is amazing to see all the usual predictable comments of traitor and the like.

There are 2 types of footballing fan who have a problem with McGeady's decision and we should be careful not to say all of of his detractors are motivated by bigoted views.

1 genuine Scottish footballing supporter who has no ill feeling towards Celtic/Ireland and only wants to see Scottish born boys in the national team.
This individual is sickened by the prospect of footie Scotland going down the road of rugby Scotland and scouring the world for eligible players from the 4 corners due to granny's or whatever.

However unless this same individual was as vocal about fellas like Gough, Goram, McCall playing for Scotland, and there are many more, then it still qualifiys as double standards to give McGeady pelters.

2 This type of 'fan' will telly ou he didnt abuse Tommy Coyne or Owen Coyle so that means he defo isnt a bigot and that the difference between McGeady and the numerous others who have played for a country not of their birth is that his country WANTED him and thus he deserves to be labelled a traitor and get the serial vile abuse.

This person ignores all logic or talk of cultural identity and what a sense of feeling of patriotisim is and how Asians in the midlands can feel more attachment to India or Pakistan than England.

Nothing will move this person away from their deeply held view of McGeady as thier view is fuelled by a deep hatred of anything remotley green and green in every sense, Celtic/Ireland/Catholic.

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 09:45:14

#5

What? OK, I admit it, I am a bigot - I hate traitors and racists. Aiden is both. He is anti-Scottish, choosing to play for Ireland due to 'blood', a (methodology Hitler would be proud of), and reject all the people he grew up with, learned from, fought with, loved and hated in his own country during his formative years. We're not good enough.

I am of the impression that he, like everyone else born and brought up in this country, regardless of skin colour or religion, are Scots. To reject this honour is a great insult. McGeady is a bigot and racist of a far higher magnitude than me.

The bigots out there, who tar everyone else with their own brush, never reply to these posts, because it exposes them as the true bigots.

Oh, and the t*ol who said a player choosing to play for England or Wales wouldn't get this abuse? Are you stupid? You must be an insular Glaswegian who's never left the city and knows nothing of your own country. I am against the likes of Morrison and McEvely playing for Scotland too.

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Thommo,

26/08/2007 09:49:06

"Disrespects one of the greatest Scots Jock Stein who was also a protestant by falsly implicating him in a child abuse scandal 40 years ago." (53)

Stein's role in that is debatable, but I'm not sure if you want to go into that. It's perhaps better left alone.

What are we to make of people who disrespect a former Rangers and Scotland captain with totally false songs about paedophilia?

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 09:50:25

Not Me, ....misunderstood..... as opposed to hitting the keyboard any old where, why don't you tell us why McGeady is a traitor and Watite isn't and you can shove the changed jobs excuse and did he or didn't he tell us it was a disgrace the Hibees not repecting their contact
Talk about double standard

As for taking life a wee bit too seriously you think I'd be on here if I took life seriously

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KillieTommy,

Kilmarnock 26/08/2007 09:52:01

The sad case of Aiden proves yet again that we should do away with segragated schools. It starts there and will continue to do so.

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 09:53:24

# 55

I have to agree with most of your post there. I am of the first category you mention. I find it strange that Rangers fans abuse him - as I rarely find a Rangers fan who cares about Scotland - all Brits to the core. Accusing fans of (not that you have done) smaller teams like Raith Rovers or Aberdeen is ludicrous, it's only idiots from Glasgow who care about ex-religion (they don't go to church anyway).

Only one thing - the only thing connecting McGeady to Ireland is an emotional attachment to grandparents. The cultural ties between Asians and their parents'/grandparents' countries of origin are more defineable and distinct than Scotland/Ireland through language and culture, which, by and large and very sadly, are both more or less Anglo American. McGeady has no Irish, and probably can't swing a caman!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:53:37

57

Archie have a wee look at the main stand at Paradise...not only scottish flags fly but also a Union flag.

Also on the road to seville there were many scottish flags in the celtic fans

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 09:54:33

Thommo

"What are we to make of people who disrespect a former Rangers and Scotland captain with totally false songs about paedophilia?"

I may say as a Celtic fan that those comments are just as despicable as the Jock Stein stuff.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:55:26

60...yadda yadda yadda

"Thay kafflik schools coz aw the problims so thae dae"

Blame game...been there done that....move on and face reality son.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:58:18

58

Thommo that too is shocking and only scum sing it. Same as it is only scum who sing all the IRA stuff. Celtic fans dont want them near Celtic Park.

I personally haven't heard the Richard Gough stuff for some 15 years.

But I know the away support is full of people who are just troublemakers and bigots to boot.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 09:59:22

65...take that back...Celtic's away support is NOT FULL of troublemakers and bigots...but has a significant minority among them.

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Plonker,

26/08/2007 09:59:25

McGeadie came through the Irish system at a time where Scotland were ignoring him. There was every opportunity for the Scotland selectors, or whatever they are called, to woo the player, but they chose not to. So McGeady, quite rightly, opted for the country, the coaches, the set up, which had nurtured him.

I'm a Scotland supporter, I want the best players for the national side and was disappointed McGeady opted for Ireland. But some of the tartan - eating faux patriotism on here sickens me. I tend towards 55 - Bosco bhoy's view that a lot of people have a problem with Ireland because of the Catholic connection and that's why McGeadie gets so much abuse. The same sort of reason Neil Lennon was slaughtered at every away ground in Scotland. Prejudice is normal, but this is bigotry, pure and simple.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 10:02:49

61

Intersting that you would consider someone of an identical background as McGeady living in say Pollokshields whose Granparents are Pakistani is more entitled to feel Pakistani than McGeady is to feel Irish.

You said
"The cultural ties between Asians and their parents'/grandparents' countries of origin are more defineable and distinct than Scotland/Ireland through language and culture.

Its not McGeady fault that Scottish?Irish culture is close than Scottish?Pakistani culture and since very few people in Ireland speak Irish then thats sadly not even on the radar as an issue.

But your point is revealing, many people wouldnt find a prob in identifying the person i quoted above as being a 'Paki' ( disgusting term but i will use the this as its more apt) but find it hard to see McGeady as being a Paddy since he speaks English with a Glasgow accent and is white like most Scots.

I'm sorry but their is far more to someones personal cultural identity than what you have mentioned.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:06:07

I think everyone should just move on...Aiden is an Ireland player now end of. Booing him and debating the whole issue is irrelevant...he will still play for Ireland.

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 10:08:59

"I rarely find a Rangers fan who cares about Scotland" (61)

Maybe you should get out more and stop swallowing daft stereotypes.

Every Scotland fan has the right to give McGeady stick for choosing to play for another country. Celtic fans may not like that but they'll just have to live with it. On the other hand, nobody has the right to give anyone bigoted abuse.

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Plonker,

26/08/2007 10:13:32

69 - Timothy

Debating this particular issue is far from irrelevant. And what else would we do on a Sunny Sunday morning ?

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 10:14:50

whateverthename

here is me hitting the keyboard any old where again - funny how you understood it though.....

liked the retort re taking life too seriously...

Bosco

When did Catholism become "green"?

Also fairly certain that at Murrayfield a couple of weeks ago Ireland played with a New Zealander at scrum half - oops, does that not fit with your argument ....... still its nice to know we are thought of as all fond and cuddly.......

Too obtuse?

Timothy

Imagine thinking that having flags of your home country is worthy of note - makes me smile if nothing else....

As for Aiden - really its his choice - if he is eligible then that would be that - and believe me if he wasn't any good he wouldn't get pelters....

Song moment - Its my Life.....don't you forget it....

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 10:15:23

# 70

Well done Archie. The thing is, a lot of the Celtic supporting anti-bigots (a minority, thnkfully), don't want to believe people like you exist, i.e. Scots of Irish descent who are not ludicrous enough to believe they are Irish and are proud Scots. They enjoy pretending they are a persecuted, hounded minority.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:18:07

Archie

I was born in Ireland and don't live in Scotland mate. Get yer facts right before banging yer mitts on the keyboard.

Shame also that you took exception to my irish name...plastic paddies...seems to me like you've blown your cover with those remarks. You are obviously a bitter twisted Rangers supporter in disguise.

Never mind son, I'll pray for you.

ps...why the big urge to see scotland flags at celtic park...why do you want to see Blue and white instead of green and white Archie...oh never mind, I suppose you'll come back as Paddy from Dublin in half an hour...but still wearing yer wee gers top.

Numpty you've been rumbled...

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:19:35

74...cant you see Erche is a Rangers fans? Oh dear the blind are leading the blind....

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:21:02

72...well it is irrelevant and I for one Im off out...got a barbie to go to this afternoon.

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 10:23:12

Also meant to pick up on the Rangers support not caring about Scotland (#61)

Think you may well have got that wrong......

You can of course be Scottish and British - its a bit like the Union jack - its British but has a large Scottish identity within......

Song moment - Touch too much

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 10:23:37

#68

'I'm sorry but their is far more to someones personal cultural identity than what you have mentioned.'

Maybe. But the true marker of Irish culture is the language. Games/sports too contribute. What else makes us (Scots/Irish) to Randy Mac Donnel from Boston? Nothing really. In any case, if there are more powerful markers of a cultural identity, how could Aiden have picked up moe of these during his summer holidays in Ireland than a lifetime in Scotland? Surely Scotland has left more of its mark on him than Ireland? What I'm saying is that if he spoke Irish, which was passed from his parents, played Irish games, and was part of a larger Irish ex-pat community (real Irish, not morons in Baird's Bar with no knowledge of Irish history), then fiar enough, but he doesn't.

What Aiden is doing in effect endorses those in Ulster who still think they're Scottish after four hundred years (and who, I can assure you, have nothing in common with me). The boy is a bigot.

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 10:33:29

"Brits, Unionists, whatever you want to call them, are the filth of humanity and have no place in Scotland." (80)

Better tell all those Celtic fans who vote for Unionist parties.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:35:01

79

Can you blame Aiden for choosing Ireland.

Look at how celtic players and catholics have been treated by the SFA and Scotland managers and the fans.

Heres' a wee bit of history for you:

1. Booing the greatest right back we ever had in Danny McGrain.

2. The manager switching McGrain from his best position to accommodate a Rangers player.

3. Same story with the greatest ever scottish player...Wee Jinky. Only 23 caps and again selecting Rangers players ahead of him.

4. The lisbon Lions the greatest team ever produced by Scotland...only a handful were capped and not one of them have more caps than say Richard Gough...or McCoist....Look at someone like Bertie Auld and Bobby Murdoch or Stevie Chalmers and ask why these players wern't capped more...Chalmers Celtic's third highest ever scorer got two caps in a fifteen year career.

5. Booing Brian McClair when he was one of the best players in the EPL.

6. James McGrory - a world record goalscorer and football legend. 7 caps given to him at the end of his career after the Rangers captain Meiklejohn refused to play unless McGrory was playing. How bad must the bias and bigotry have been????

I honestly cant blame Aiden and I wish him well in his international career.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:35:59

81 which parties?

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 10:38:11

#79

How on earth can the boy be a bigot - for making a legitamate choice?

This bigot word really is bandied about far too liberally....like it makes the user somehow correct and superior.....

That'll be me a bigot now for having an opposing view....

Song moment - Bitter Sweet symphony........

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 10:38:11

Are we really that bothered about McGeady now?

I think I've got over it.

Probably because a) he isn't good enough for Scotland - we have better players than him b) Ireland are no great shakes any more and they can probably do with a player like McGeady c) Scotland are on the up and up.

What does annoy me is Irish people constantly banging on about how Scotland is a country of Bigots. Look, they obsess (god knows why) about Scotland and Scottish football. Obviously when Scotland were rank under Berti there was a clamour for McGeady to play for us. OF COURSE people were and still are angry that he turns us down, rejected us if you will. But no, the Irish prefer to label all of us as bigots - I almost think they enjoy it!

So, come on Scotland, he plays for Ireland, he will never get the thrill of being part of the Tartan Army - more fool him.

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 10:41:27

#82

obviously it would not fit into your view of things to point out the obvious fact that in those days there was far far less opportunity to amass caps, qualifiers and friendlies . but hey...

oh, and ps, has it ever entered your head that not everyone in Scotland is a Rangers or a Celtic fan?

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 10:43:10

#80

I obviously don't exist then........

BTW - I don't do Gaelic - I presume that was the language of your last sentence - as most Scottish people don't.....and never have......

...Honest its the Truth.....

Song moment - Caledonia.....

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puskas,

26/08/2007 10:45:41

No67 Plonker,

Although you don't confirm what Aiden said to the media as a kid.. I could not play for Scottish Schoolboys as my school didn't have a team.

You do confirm the gist of my comment.

I thank you for that..

McLean was a signed Rangers player (in reply to others)

Cheers..

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puskas,

East Kilbride 26/08/2007 10:49:13

Only a bigot would have a problem with Aiden..

As a Scot we are a land of bigots not just the West of..

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 10:50:28

#82,

McGrain had to play on theother side of the park? Shocking. Did anyone inform the United Nations? Did it occur to you that he was judged more capable of doing it?

Jimmy Johnstone? He might have got more caps had it not been for his lifestyle (which included a fear of flying). Jock Stein picked Willie Henderson (a great player in his own right) ahead of him for Scotland - does that make big Jock a bigot?

"The lisbon Lions the greatest team ever produced by Scotland...only a handful were capped". Nonsense. Total Lisbon Lions caps 116. Chalmers got 5 caps, not 2 incidentally.

Jimmy McGrory was unfortunate to be in competition with the great Hughie Gallacher (a Catholic incidentally). Jim Fleming was Rangers’ centre-forward in the same era, scored 177 goals in 225 matches and got only three caps. Around the same time, Jimmy Smith scored 300 goals for Rangers in the league alone and only got two caps.

Four of the eight most-capped players for Scotland have been Celtic players. None were Rangers players. Tell us again how you've been persecuted.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:50:57

86

I would have answered you seriously but I think a touch of sarcasm might jar your grey matter. Here's hoping.

So...in answer to your psot Mark....Aye mark its all in my paranoid imagination. These things never happened.

Wee Jinky went to his grave a liar and made all that stuff up about getting booed by Scotland supporters because he was a Celtic player and a catholic. He just did it cause he was bored with being a legend.

Aye we're all just making it up...even the Rangers captain Davie Meiklejohn was just having a laugh when he refused to play for Scotland unless the SFA recognised McGrory because the SFA just thought a world record goalscorer wasn't actually good enough for Scotland...cos wee arra people and all that.....and all the history and stories about the SFA discrimination towards Celtic...thats just all made up...100s of 1000s of us....are all wrong and your right mate...have a nice life...

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 10:51:15

73. Not Me, ....misunderstood
see you didn't answer my question about the double standard over Wattie and McGeady

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 10:51:18

# 81. I am aware of that fact - shocking of them. Just as British as Rangers fans.

# 82. Yip, true. I think tough, that over the last few decades this has stopped. As a Killie fan, I'd much rather see Celtic players in the national team than Rangers ones. That's the same for other mates who don't support the Old Firm - we were so glad when Brown went to Celtic because Rabgers are universaly hated. At the end of the day though - and this is what I've been trying to preach - we're all Scots and should never turn our back on our country or have it turn our back on us. The France 98 had a lot more Celtic players in it than other times. The eightees we had a mix of class players from the New Firm and England - Celtic pplayers were less likel to get picked. As for the arguments re Chalmers and Johnstone - they are undeniable. Sjhocking, but I'd like to think these days are past outwith a smal band of Brits who have no interest in Scotland anyway.

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 10:53:11

#63

Mainly Labour.

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 10:54:39

Sorry, I was replying to post 83 not 63 in my post 96.

(Hope you're all folowing this!)

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 10:54:53

#93

look, Mr I-mac in #92 was kind enough to actually set you straight on a few matters, good for him for making the effort to type that out.

Now, how do you respond - how odes this fit with your persecution complex?

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 10:56:08

ps, #90 - get over yourself will you?

Do you just open your mouth and spew forth such drivel on a regular basis.....It is actually laughable!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:58:35

92...what about the scotland support booing wee jinky...until the wee man didnt want to play for scotland anymore.

McGrory ...world record holder....greatest to ever have played in scotland was "unlucky". You having a laugh?

Fans booing McGrain...was that right Imac? Also don't you think it sensible to play world class players in their correct positions?

Lisbon Lions greatest team ever in Scotland...average of 10 caps each...dont you think thats disgraceful? Especially when Bobby Moore and Chartlon were gaining over 100 caps each.

Four of the most capped players are the most capped because they were the best. Dalglish, McGrain and McStay were world class and legends of the game. Hardly undeserving. How many world class scottish players have played for Rangers?

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 10:59:16

99

Well go and have a wee laugh then Mark...

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 10:59:42

whateverthename

I don't have double standards.....

They both made legitimate choices.......wait I've already said this ........ but in my usual obtuse way....

so nothing wrong with either - how's that?

Song moment - Please Please Me - no one else is worth pleasing.....

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 26/08/2007 11:02:07

OK final points on this as I have to go soon...

Aiden cant blame him after years of discrimination against Celtic and catholic players.

Decision has been made, deal done...no point in booing the guy or even debating the whole issue...his decision will not be reversed.

Only bigots will boo him and for other reasons than his career choice.

End of...enjoy the sunshine ppl.

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 11:02:21

#101

believe me I am.

Boo hoo poor you. everyone hates me, waa waa waa.

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Not Me,

....misunderstood..... 26/08/2007 11:05:21

When did Bobby Moore become Scottish?

Timothy

its all a big horrible conspiracy against everything "green" (just ask Bosco) honest it is - always has been and always will be ........

.....or could it be that others saw things differently.....

think of this - Jamie Carragher can't get a game for England - so much so he has decided to stop turning up - yet John Terry and Rio Ferdinand - neither of whom have played in a CL final - get a game ..... how can this be ....... ahhh, in England its an anti Red thing (woops Rio plays in Red) .......

....ahhhh

....got it.......

...its an anti YNWA thing in both countries - though Sellic only started singing that quite recently ......

....ohhh I give up ......

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 11:09:43

#100

Both Celtic and Rangers fans in the Scotland support used to bo the other club's players.

If it was big, bad bigots who didn't cap McGrory enough why did they pick the Catholic Hughie Gallacher and not Rangers players Smith or Fleming?

I don't see what Moore and Charlton have to do with this. The only Scotsman to get over 100 caps was a Celtic player.

"Four of the most capped players are the most capped because they were the best." But I thought your argument was that Celtic players weren't picked even though they deserved it? 72 caps for Tom Boyd? Do you think he was world-class and deserved more?

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 11:20:10

102. Not Me
I never said YOU have double standards
What I said was the is that Mcgeady gets pelters for basicly the same thing that Walter gets away with
that for me smell of double standards

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 11:22:12

107
I think he pays national insurance in Scotland so I suppose he could claim in Scotland N Ireland England and Wales

Stange that .......

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 11:28:36

I bet you the players don't pay national insurance in Ireland and are just paid under the table

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 11:42:25

think is the eastern europe population doing the spuds these days in Ireland. Same as in Scotland come to think of it.
Tiger economy and all that

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 11:46:46

The idea 49 is when your in a hole stop digging,same applies to the paranoid fellow from Avignon,obviously the two of you have big shovels.

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The Truth Hurts,

26/08/2007 11:48:46

BORING!!!!

This story has been over played at this stage. Every nation benefits from the "Granny Rule", without exception. The difference being that most are merceneries who can't get a game for their nation of birth( a la Don Hutchinson, etc). Just look up YouTube and you'll see that it was always McGeadys ambition to play for Ireland. Even as a young lad, he said he always felt more Irish than Scottish.. So whats the big deal??

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 11:52:49

Still dodgin the answer to the question 41 ,we know that is all that matters.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 11:58:53

118. T-rex

Who about you answering the posting 48

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 12:02:33

119 still on the shovel I see,I cant help you if you do not understand The Queens English,try a dictionary for breakfast.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 12:05:04

thanks for the answer

I've seen wiser things eating grass on the hills

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 12:07:57

121 I always knew you were strange,you will be saying the hills have eyes next!

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Leonard McCoy,

Rygel 7 26/08/2007 12:11:02

Celtic fans try to hide the traitor's behaviour behind the usual "it's only because he's Irish" or "it's only because of his religion" garbage and that defence is now threadbare to the point of being transparent.

He was born here, he lives here, he works for a Scottish employer, his children will be brought up here, his wages are paid by a 90% Scottish customer base - only if his middle names were "Kenneth" and "McKellar" could he BE more Scottish.

He turned his back on the chance to represent the land of his birth - an idiotic, porrly advised decision that will rightly haunt him all his days.

As Tommy Burns would say : shame on those who gave him such misguided advice when he was too young or too stupid to know better.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 12:19:59

I think I said I've seen wiser things eating grass
this was in relation to your good self

easy really

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J80MBo,

edinburgh 26/08/2007 12:33:50

mcgeady is one of my victims (both players and fans alike), that get the irish brain washing treatment at celtic park!

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Alan Bruce,

Kingswells 26/08/2007 12:44:07

Whats the point posting. Celtic fans can only see it one way!!

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Tam Gallagher,

Toronto, Canada 26/08/2007 12:47:45

#9, I agree with you Pat except I don’t disagree with him choosing Eire over Scotland. The decision was made (based on the current rules of the game), all the whiners get over it, get a life and sit back and watch this amazing lad grow to be one of the best that Club and Country has seen! Appreciate him for what he does on the field if you can, and this will be hard for those that restrict there sense of fairness (if the had one) and footballing judgment(if they had any), applaud his level of skill and performance that he has and gives. It will be interesting (should the rules remain) to watch all the future generations of young "Scots" play for the likes of Poland or Croatia or Slovakia or Iraq etc? Would we applaud THEIR skills and abilities, remembering always it IS just a game, or brand them traitors as some of the completely foolish and bigoted statements here would dictate.
Anyway, I'm still spinning over the fact that the traitor Owen Hargreaves decided to decline his birth obligation to play for the Land of the Maple Leaf and instead choose a third rate footballing country represented by the Three Lions! That lad Hargreaves will have to live with his decision all his footballing days...let the traitor stew! Burn him at the stake! The world is flat!!!!

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Mark1,

26/08/2007 12:53:15

#127

YAWN, keep em coming.

PS, just to make this clear, once and for all.

AIDEN MCGEADY WOULD NOT GET INTO THE SCOTLAND TEAM BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND WE HAVE BETTER PLAYERS THAN HIM.

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 13:27:31

#127,

Hargreaves did get called a traitor by Canadian fans. A quick google produces this:

"Like many Canadians, I have an exceptionally low opinion of Hargreaves - who is usually referred to as "the unmentionable one", "the traitor", or simply "the Whore" among Canadian fans. I know that a lot of Canadians would love to see him fail to make the English squad (that's nicer than saying you hope he breaks his neck right?), and would appreciate the irony of him not being able to make the team that he betrayed his country for and having his international career ended early when he could have played for Canada for many more years."

Are these Canadian fans evil sectarian bigots?

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morris,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 13:34:08

Aiden McGeady has the right to play for whoever he wants to provided he qualifies to do so.
WE should respect his decision.Please note I said SHOULD!

Having said that, I guarantee his life will be an absolute torment because of his choice.
He is finding that out now. Reality is a difficult planet to live on and an even harder one to get off!

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Scotland would have welcomed McGeady. He is a good player and only an idiot would deny that.
If we have better players than McGeady perhaps you could enlighten us as to who they are? Iv e not seen many.

Im sure Gordon Strachan sings his praises and would love to see the lad in a Scotland shirt.
So would I !

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cuthbert,

26/08/2007 13:39:20

Does he actually consider himself to be Irish or Scottish? If he identifies as an Irishman then fair enough. Otherwise his decision was simply mercenary - just like those of Morrison/Don Hutchison etc and other Englishmen who have chosen to play for Scotland simply because they want a taste of international football.

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Tobago Street,

Canada 26/08/2007 14:08:10

T-rex, number 16. You had previously stated that representing the country of ones birth was the hightest honour. My reply only stated that Neil Lennon might disagree. I don't understand how my living in Canada detracts from that point. Or in fact how your living in Scotland makes your opinion valid.
Serious query BTW.

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Jaggy,

26/08/2007 14:24:23

McGeady's decision to play for Ireland just underlines that the notion of nationality in football - and in other sports such as athletics or rugby - has been subverted to the point that it is meaningless.

Has McGeady ever lived in Ireland? Were his parents born in Ireland? Does he have an Irish passport? Has he ever voted in Irish elections? Why bother with international football when the players may have only a notional relationship with the country they are playing for.

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Devil's advocate,

26/08/2007 14:49:05

#131 He had a section in last year's Uefa Cup Final programme on his native city Glasgow.

Unless his education was even more deliquent than we thought , I think that answers your question.

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 15:02:50

132 go on think about it,it's easy,

131

micheil,

26/08/2007 15:18:28

131
You dont actually get paid very much money for playing international football.
Hardly mercenary is it?
It must be because he went to a Catholic school.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 15:21:51

Aiden McGeady is a Glasgow Irishman.
Why should so many still get so hot under the collar about McGeady's own identity and cultural leanings is truly amazing.

Let him get on with his life, if he feels more Irish than Scottish big deal.

Why should McGeady's detractors monopolise and define what are the relevant issues when it comes to nationality, patriotism, relative cultural feelings etc.

Give the young fella break, chill out and enjoy the craic, there must be bigger issues than McGeady's Irishness.
What about the bloody war that the very Scottish Tony Blair took Scotland into when overwhelmingly they the Scots were against it.

Worry and get concerned about the many decent young real Scots out getting killed in that mess and for what?

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 15:38:25

St.Patrick was from Dalriada does that make him a Dalriadian Irishman,very Irish.Chamberlain was against the 2nd world war,Churchill soon saw the folly of not fighting your corner,hence no jackboots parading about Partick.

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 15:40:18

Why 136 do we need segregated schooling in the year 2007,does any one think it is justified.

135

micheil,

26/08/2007 15:43:57

139
its called irony

136

paulmac,

surrey 26/08/2007 15:49:54

McGeady is a talented player that's what gets up the noses of those who criticise him.

Funny how WS can sh**e all over our national team and bail out, because Rangers are more important to him than Scotland?

How many Gers fans have jumped to criticise that every Wattie walks out for a game?

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paulmac,

surrey 26/08/2007 15:55:12

#139

Funny enough, it don't cause a problem in England.

138

T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 15:56:51

No 140 there is nothing ironic about a school system that seperates children on the grounds of religion at the age of 5,it is simply barbaric,if not bigotry.

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Hugh Hefner,

Poznan WLKP. 26/08/2007 16:01:08

A story with a sectarian slant to it - this bring the likes of I-Mac to it like a fly to sh1te.

I-Mac you are a sad, pathetic individual - I bet you know what school Aiden went to as well. That shouldn't surprise anyone as you somehow made it your business to find out the school of the young kid, Gibson who choose to play for ROI over NI.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 16:04:15

Hugh Hefner

What was the angle with I-Mac and Darren Gibson?

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 16:10:25

142 I am delighted it has not caused any problems in England of a sectarian or nationilst nature,I must have been having a bad dream about all the bombings down south related to the "cause"

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 16:16:35

Hugh, your attack on me is senseless. It was a Celtic fan who brought up the question of Gibson's background.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 16:19:33

141. paulmac 146. James
I asked much the same question earlier on and never got an answer As I said double standards

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 16:32:37

151 you got an answer,which you chose to ignore as it didn't suit your agenda.

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Keenan,

Lanarkshire 26/08/2007 16:33:14

Nationality is an accident of birth. Like many of us I have Irish & Scots ancestors, with a bit of Nordic & Anglo Saxon thrown in. I feel Scottish due to my upbringing. McGeady feels Irish due to his upbringing. So what!

The morons who shout abuse wouldn't know the history of their country anyway. They probably wouldn't know that the original "Scots" most probably came from Ireland or that for hundreds of years Scotland was a piously Catholic country.

McGeady's abusers are jealous, despicable, low-life slimeballs.

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 16:54:13

154 WS is a Scot being paid by a Scottish club,he hardly took up a foreign flag,so what is McGeady is he a Scot is he Irish is he the missing link,so why did James choose to live in London.Also WS left Scotland in far better shape than he found it.

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T-rex,

a tree 26/08/2007 17:04:53

Phil you may be in the city of spires,but a Don you certainly are not,if you had a brain cell it would be very lonely.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 26/08/2007 17:10:06

Also WS left Scotland in far better shape than he found it.

Scotland 1 France 0
Scotland were played off the park but we got a great result .*
After taking over from Bertie .....
well you couldn't have asked for an easier job
Anyway I'll be up in Paris for the return game hoping we can do it again
If anyone is going I'll be in the Auld Alliance before the game. I'll go for a pint even with T-Rex

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 17:12:44

Re Walter, quite a few people have stopped representing their country after a period of service. Quite a lot of players have retired from international football to concentrate on their club careers, for example. This is sometimes unpopular and Walter has certainly had some stick from fans of other clubs over it. But it is not the same as choosing never to represent the country of your birth and going off to represent a foreign country aged just 15.

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Hugh Hefner,

Poznan, WLKP 26/08/2007 17:13:04

145 -Bosco, the story mentioned a young player who the reporter claimed choose to represent ROI despite being brought up in the 'unionist community'...however I-Mac 'proved the reporter wrong' by exposing the young player as a former pupil of a catholic school - I cant remember the name of it, but he will be able to tell you - in a smug manner that showed him to be completely unaware of how sad he appeared!

I-Mac, you are obsessed by the catholic faith - I know catholics who give less thought to their religion than you do - my attack is valid!

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I-Mac,

26/08/2007 18:21:03

"the story mentioned a young player who the reporter claimed choose to represent ROI despite being brought up in the 'unionist community'."

No. it was a Celtic fan who claimed that, in the comments section. He even had the good grace to apologise for getting it wrong.

Like I said, I wasn't the one who brought it up. What was claimed conflicted with something I had recently read elsewhere, so I took a few seconds to check it using google. If you're really concerned about the guy's background being brought up, ask the Celtic fan why he did it rather than ranting nonsensically at me.

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 18:31:13

# 146

Yes, you idiot, but the article is about Aiden McGeady, not Walter Smith. Smith is also complete filth for what he did, and he has had barrel loads of criticism from everyone except the Huns - though I'm sure you'll choose to ignore this to keep playing the persecution card.

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 18:39:13

#164,

Maybe McGeady is an Irish citizen now but I was talking about when he chose to play for the ROI, aged 15. In any case, I was talking about a foreign country in relation to Scotland, the land of his birth.

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 18:43:48

#164,

Maybe McGeady is an Irish citizen now but I was talking about when he chose to play for the ROI, aged 15. In any case, I was talking about a foreign country in relation to Scotland, his native land.

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 19:22:43

#168,

How do YOU know when he became an Irish citizen (if he ever did)?

In any case, as I said, I was talking about a foreign country in relation to Scotland, the land of his birth.

People have every right to criticise him for his choice. Get over it.

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An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 26/08/2007 19:31:05

# 166.

Well I wouldn't say I was an intellectual giant, but I am rather clever, yes.

Well, yes, the Catholic school part is rather off the point, however, if you actually read what the fellow said, he is connecting McGeady's defection directly to the fact that we have Catholic schools, thus it has a degree of pertinence. This is something I don't agree with - I believe it is more to do with the fact that Scots are put down in school for their language, not taught their own history etc. and never encouraged to be proud of Scotland - young Scots then turn away and look to more positiver influences which will embrace them.

Why, exactly, is it so wrong to think Smith is scum? Surely I can choose myself what is important to me in my life, no?

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DougRFC,

Brazil 26/08/2007 20:09:19

Must admit, I got tired of reading the posts after about 70 or so. Same old rubbish. Doesn't seem to matter how this is explained, the anti-Rangers mob pig-headedly won't listen. They've decided it's 'bigoted' to disrespect the lads decision and that’s that.

Having been on the receiving end of some anti-Scottish abuse myself I can testify to some of the animosity thrown his way. While in Scotland a few years ago, I had the misfortune to declare that I didn’t miss Scotland that much at all and was happy enough in Brazil. The abuse I got then was only interrupted when my father interrupted the argument and told the fella to go take a $%#@ to himself and we left. The imbecile I was talking to took offence to the fact that I wasn’t even missing living in Scotland which to me was quite absurd. It had nothing to do with religion whatsoever.

Whilst I’m on religion. Why is that Tim Malloy thinks that saying “I’ll pray for you my son” as often as he does is offensive to Rangers supporters? It seems very strange to me that one would claim to persecuted for ones religious beliefs and then attempt to use a statement like that as an offense. I for one would be happy for you to pray for me, Tim.

Back to McGeady. I’m not so naïve to suggest that ALL the abuse thrown his way has nothing to do with his choice of ROI and the fact he is a Celtic man, but it should be recognized that a large part of it is not. Personally, I believe he should be allowed to do what he feels is right for himself and if that means playing for ROI then so be it. Too bad for us. Move on.

160

Stevie1888,

26/08/2007 20:49:56

Now that Lenny has gone Scots football needs another "bogeyman", so enter stage right young Aiden. I personally was born in England of a Scots father & an English mother & I chose Scotland to support .... fact, so who cares, what's the big deal ? PS what's the deal with the " Big Jock knew" banner @ Killie yesterday, whatever, very very sad !

161

Rory the Celt,

London 26/08/2007 21:03:05

Dear me, what a pathetic bunch you are up there, spoiling a glorious late summer day with your petty prejudices.
Was it not that patriotic son of Dublin and hero of Waterloo, the Duke of Wellington, who said all those years ago that 'to be born in a stable doesn't make you a horse'. It was a statement that didn't do him any harm in England as he ended up as prime minsiter while still retaining an affection for the land of his birth.
Get a life chaps, whatever reason McGeady opted for Ireland was his right. He qualifies for an Irish passport and that should be the end of the affair.
With Goram, Gough and their fellow travellers, no such qualification was necesary as there is, as far as I'm aware, no such thing as a Scottish passport.
I rest my case.
Slainte

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 26/08/2007 21:04:38

Who the hell would want to play for Scotland? They are absolute failures as far as the game of football is concerned. In fact the SPL is a joke football league, with the same two teams winning the prizes year after year.

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 26/08/2007 21:13:22

Excellent post 175* There is no such thing as a Scottish passport because Scotland is not yet a nation in her own right. Scotland is still governed by England from England ,and anyone who thinks otherwise is not living in the real world.

164

Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 21:16:20

#172,

Once again, the Republic of Ireland is a foreign country in relation to the country of McGeady's birth - and the country of both his parents' birth, and the country where he and both his parents have lived all their lives. A passport of covenience won't change that. Get over it.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 21:29:10

Doug RFC

One of the best takes on the McGeady/RoI story from a bear.

Doug- your wee story of jealous ignorance is rather depressing but all to common in Scotland.

An Taghan

Very wrong to label Walter Smith scum.
Lets get real about Smith Scotland and Rangers.
RFC offerred him more dosh to go back to a job he loves with day to day contact with players leaving a post that he initially over achieved in but was destined like so many others to fail with.

The decision to go back to RFC was a no brainer.

The idea that since MCgeady doesnt speak Irish reduces his claim to be Irish is just plain stupid.
Its absurd to limit his Irishiness when over 90% of the population of Ireland dont speak the language.
What would that mean for the millions of Scots who have no Gaelic?

166

Jaggy,

26/08/2007 21:30:07

Its not hard to represent the ROI. From what I can see, it suffices to own a hamster whose granny was born somewhere close to the ROI to get a passport.

That said, other countries are equally as mercenary. The UK, for example, when they got Zola Budd British nationality in 24 hours.

For me it demeans the meaning of inernational competition.

167

Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 21:32:01

Teary Ennui

Cant you and others just respect McGeady's right to determine his own identity and how feels re his own nationality?

168

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 26/08/2007 21:32:47

178* Your sectarian and bigoted Scottish slip is showing!

169

Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 26/08/2007 21:33:08

180 Jaggy
"From what I can see, it suffices to own a hamster whose granny was born somewhere close to the ROI to get a passport."

Any evidence to support this?

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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 21:37:55

"Cant you and others just respect McGeady's right to determine his own identity and how feels re his own nationality?" (181)

I and others have a right to criticise his decision.

171

Teary Ennui,

26/08/2007 21:38:52

#182,

A particularly pathetic attempt to play the bigot card.

172

Jaggy,

26/08/2007 21:40:10

#182 .... the comment in #178 seems factual enough to me. In what way is it sectarian.


#183. An exageration I admit. However, I believe it is sufficient to have a grandparent born in Ireland (not just ROI) to get a passport. I know quite a few US citizens who have taken advantage of this to get an EU passport.

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Rory the Celt,

London 26/08/2007 22:30:41

Let's end the charade. The rubbish on this site over the day beggars belief.
McGeady has made (as is his right) his decision to play for a country that has already taken its place among the nations of the world. That should be the end of the affair.
FIFA rules are straightforward: you can play for any country you are eligible to hold a passport from. Is it the fact that only largely second-rate players born south of Hadrians Wall tend to opt for Scotland that is really peeving so many of your readers?
More to the point: Who are they going to support when the Africans and other emerging countries eventually compel the so-called United Kingdom to field one team for international competiton? Sure, Rangers' fans will probably have no trouble with Great Britain aka England (or should that be the other way around?) but what about the ordinary Scots supporterss from Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh, Kilmarnock, Motherwell et al?
It's a scenario that makes the McGeady business rather small fry.

174

Ricco,

26/08/2007 22:42:15

Crikey, there must be tumbleweed blowing through Follow Follow tonight.

Never has so much ludicrous attempted sophistry been used to justify a sectarian position.

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Brian,

The Laughing Academy 26/08/2007 22:51:11

It never ceases ro amaze the amount of anti-Irish bile that erupts whenever the subject of Aiden McGeady playing for Ireland comes up. Like myself, if I could kick a ball that is, he is perfectly entitled to play for Ireland.
Get over it, ya numpties.

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Boberto,

26/08/2007 22:54:09

When a Celtic fan has no argument, he invokes Follow Follow.

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Rory the Celt,

London 26/08/2007 23:00:21

Proof that McGeady clearly did not have a typical Scottish upbringing! Surely he would have opted for Scotland instead of Ireland just to save all that money on postcards. After all, the Scotland squad have been home from the few World Cup and Europeqan Championships they have participated in before the postcards.
That said, I hope Rangers join us in the Euro group stage during the week.

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Nova Scotian,

Halifax Canada 26/08/2007 23:57:50

The boy should play for who ever he wants. The notion of loyalty is now replaced in life by money, of which all the footballers nowadays demand. Modern life links loyalty to money. Take the footballing sides of the 60's / 70's and 80's they were largely drawn from local guys who supported their teams as boys and would have played for the jersey. Am I right in saying that all of Celtic 67 team were born 25 miles or less from Parkhead? I am sure the same fact exists for all of the Rangers players of that vintage too.

Modern players and even the choices that we (non-footballers) make are all linked to simply having more options in life. I cannot understand all the uproar created by McGeady's choice

The world has changed - if this were anywhere but West of Scotland, it wouldn't have made anymore than 4 column inches.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise...countin the dosh and the trophies 27/08/2007 01:25:06

McGeady has made the decision...a while ago now.

The debate and the booing are of NO relevance as it will not change his decision one jot.

Those booing him are simply BIGOTS. They know it and so does Aiden.

Young Aiden will rise above it and continue to rip SPL defences to shreds.

For every boo he gets...Celtic fans will give him 10 cheers.

Now then Bigots...who's next on yer wee list...Gordon Strachan? For having ginger hair? Or John Kennedy for being named after the first Catholic to be US President? Sound silly? Well sorry just trying to keep up with you degenerates.

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Paul in Oz,

Sydney today 27/08/2007 01:29:06

Still think he is scum for choosing to play for another country apart from Scotland, as I said earlier deserves everything he gets

181

Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 27/08/2007 09:10:57

Nine comments on the
" 'Scots Scouser' McEveley feels right at home"
article and many of them positive.

So tell me why are we heading towards nearly 200 comments on this thread with McGeady tale a mirror image of McEveley in many regards.

Its nothing to do with Ireland/Celtic.

Its not that convincing.

182

Boberto,

27/08/2007 10:39:03

#195,

Takes us right back to post #1!

(About other Scots-born players who have played for the ROI - and in at least one case Celtic too - without any trouble.)

183

Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 27/08/2007 10:49:17

Boberto


If Rangers had played 3 or 4 black players prior to Mark Walters and not one single Celtic fan had utterred a racists word/chant does that then mean that they (Celtic fans) can claim that the abuse Walters received wasnt racist just because they had ignored the earlier black players.

Now that would have been stupid.

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T-rex,

a tree 27/08/2007 15:21:47

183 try Jack Charltons tenure,and you don't need an Irish passport to play for Eire or any country all you require is evidence of a granny, mother hamster etc being born in the relevant country,aint seen puskas for a while,must be hiding in that big hole he dug,imagine a rabid tic supporter denying that Aiden had represented Scotland,you couldn't make it up that is unless you are puskas from EK.

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clarkie,

Leith 28/08/2007 15:16:12

No 1 shut up about he thinks Ireland would do better. he has links to ireland you windae licker.
As for him being shouted at in some grounds but i thought points were to be taken off for that sort of abuse?


 

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