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Published Date: 15 February 2009
ALEX Salmond is to have his first face-to-face meeting with Gordon Brown for 10 months as he responds to criticism that he has deliberately forged a destructive relationship with Westminster.
Business leaders yesterday said the meeting was "long overdue" and called on the two men to set aside their political differences and work together to overcome the economic crisis.

The meeting later this month in London comes after Salmond has fa
ced a barrage of criticism from his opponents for picking fights with Westminster instead of working with Brown as Britain deals with the recession.

The First Minister and Prime Minister will meet at a stand-alone summit that will bring together politicians from all the devolved regions.

David Watt, the executive director of the Institute of Directors, Scotland, said: "I am delighted that this meeting is taking place, but it is long overdue. At any time, one would have thought they should meet more often, but when you see the massive things that are going on and their impact on the economy, it is even more important that they are in touch.

"It may be a global economic downturn, but it has had a massive effect on Scotland. I would imagine that there has been a bit of sloth on both sides when it comes to setting up meetings. But this is not a time for political differences.

"From a business point of view we are not interested in party political points-scoring – this is about getting a solution for this crisis that we are in."

David Lonsdale of CBI Scotland said: "Our message is that it is right that both the UK and the devolved administrations put aside their political differences and work together where possible in order to help firms combat the downturn and prepare the economy for the potential upturn when it comes."

Salmond wrote to Brown requesting a meeting after he was condemned at First Minister's Questions by Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservative leader, for not meeting with the Prime Minister since last April.

Last week, David Cameron, the Conservative leader, pledged that he would insist on far closer relations between London and Edinburgh if he defeats Brown at the general election.

In an article for Scotland on Sunday, Cameron said he would end the cross-border rows between Edinburgh and London. He also said it was "amazing" that Salmond and Brown had not met in almost a year.

He argued that if the two men had a better working relationship there would be fewer arguments and more action.

The SNP has been accused of picking fights with Westminster. Last week, they blamed £500m of Westminster cuts for their failure to deliver their key policy of local income tax. Another notable example was the announcement of the £2.3bn Forth crossing without establishing first of all if Westminster would advance the money.

Goldie said yesterday: "I'm glad that there has been this first glimmer of common sense, but it should not have taken my intervention at First Minister's Questions 10 days ago to bang their heads together for this to happen. There should have been a meeting a long time ago to discuss how best to help Scotland weather Labour's economic storm. Gordon Brown and Alex Salmond have to realise that Scotland's best interests must come before their own narrow party interests."

A senior Labour source said: "The whole purpose of Alex Salmond is to pick fights with Westminster in order to further his own political agenda. For example, blaming Westminster for the failure of his local income tax policy. This is just a front. He will do anything to drive Scotland out of the UK."





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webwise,

Scotland 14/02/2009 21:47:38
"ALEX Salmond is to have his first face-to-face meeting with Gordon Brown for 10 months as he responds to criticism that he has deliberately forged a destructive relationship with Westminster."

More Labour inspired twaddle masqerading as an objective journalistic opinion. Labour at Westminster have, from day 1, sought to destabalise the new SNP government.

Remember that Gordon Brown stated openly, prior to the SNP winning the 2007 election, that he wouldn't work with Salmond.

This is quite a unique and novel way to formulate political articles, simply ignore the documented facts and instead present a grotesque caricature of reality.
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webwise,

Scotland 14/02/2009 22:06:30
"Another notable example was the announcement of the £2.3bn Forth crossing without establishing first of all if Westminster would advance the money."

A spectacular argument in favour of independence.

Of course, the fact that the SNP's funding proposal was sensible (given the current climate) and offered a far less expensive method of funding, was ignored by Labour who again reacted in their now notorious fashion of rejecting any any SNP proposal.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

14/02/2009 22:36:53
"Salmond wrote to Brown requesting a meeting after he was condemned at First Minister's Questions by Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservative leader, for not meeting with the Prime Minister since last April."

Superb.

Good to see 'hen pecked Salmond' being ordered about by Annabel.

Are you a man or a mouse Salmond? To which he replied 'where is the cheese?'.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

14/02/2009 22:51:51
A telling quote from the Scotsman yesterday.....
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425 ploughmans lunch,14/02/2009 19:30:44
Grahamski',Falkirk
Just seen the Celts kicking the mongrels @rse at rugby.
Sad deluded world saviour Broon wii be gutted.
lol
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Rather than concentrate on Scotlands much improved and brave performance against France, it is more important for the NattZ to take pleasure in England's defeat at the hand of their good neighbours Wales.

The nationalist cringe at its best.

It does not matter how well Scotland do as long as England lose.

Whae's like us? Indeed.
5

Resolutions,

15/02/2009 00:40:36
Good grief!

Has there been an earthquake? Broon is getting desparate.

(Firefly go to bed!)
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 15/02/2009 00:45:28
I imagine that Mr Brown will be chastened at this meeting.

I am also, confident that he will take no advice offered, as this is the normal response of a delusional meglomaniac.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

15/02/2009 00:46:41
It takes two to have a fight, so why does the Scotsman always think the SNP is to blame? Furthermore, why is it necessarily bad to have a political fight-do we not want our government to stand up for our interests against Westminster?
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

15/02/2009 00:47:39
Good it's about time the First Minister of Scotland met the man who is delivering independence for Scotland. Huzzah!
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 15/02/2009 00:48:00
Rumpus (in his own head).

Please keep the noise down or you'll waken the asylum.
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Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

15/02/2009 00:58:33
Ha, ha, ha . . .
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 15/02/2009 01:24:54
This is a complete waste of Alex Salmond's time. Brown is a sociopath and will carry on his scorched earth policy in Scotland no matter what.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 15/02/2009 01:28:26
I wonder if the Scotsman on Sunday failed to receive the Mr Brown's trampoline problem.

It appears the is no bounce left.

ComRes 15/02/2009

Tory - 41%

NuLab - 25%

LD - 18%

Or, has Mr Peterkin not got round to it yet?
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Edward,

15/02/2009 02:33:17
I wonder if there is any coralation between the desperation of Labour and there very steepfall in the polls and the utter garbage being peddled as journalism on behalfof te Labour spin machine
The more they fall, the more garbage is written, trying to make Labour look good
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govanite,

glasgow 15/02/2009 06:44:45
This is a disgraceful twisted article. I for one distinctly remember the FM offering to debate Scotland's economic circumstances with Brown and being rebuffed, as recently as November. Brown is too interested in his international profile as a 'world leader', and Scots despise him for it.
Nobody defends Scotland's interests more than Salmond. If standing up for Scotland is called picking fights with Westminster, I could not care less.
Salmond deserves praise for his work, after all he depends solely on Scotland's voters for his job and he does not forget it.
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walter,

15/02/2009 07:34:22
Cameron (if he becomes PM) pledged that he would insist on far closer relations between London and Edinburgh and said he would end the cross-border rows between Edinburgh and London.

The man is deluded, Why does he think Salmond has not held his referendum yet? Why does he think Salmond intends to hold it in 2010 after the General Election?
Salmond hopes Cameron will win, He knows that as long as Labour are in power in the UK parliament the Labour supporting socialist of Scotland will vote to remain as part of the UK.
However he hopes that with the Tories in power they will vote for separation rather than have the Tories as the government of the UK with Scotland as part of it.
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Ken Mac,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 08:41:28
Tom Peterkin should be ashamed of himself. This tripe couldn't even have been written by Labour HQ. Spin doesn't even begin to describe it. Virtually every word is a either a contortion of the truth or the total opposite of the truth. It was the SNP that sought to revive the joint ministerial committee which had never met during the lifetime of the parliament. No need, just stitch things up between London and Edinburgh Labour. It took Brown a month to even acknowledge Salmond after the election. His then boss, Blair never spoke to Salmond at all. Every so called fight picked by Salmond has actually been the result of the UK government or the Treasury trying to shaft the SNP and the people of this country.To suggest Salmond is meeting Brown as some kind of response to critism of him for picking fights is a downright lie and Peterkin knows it. Disgraceful journalism. It is time the Scotsman got a grip and tried serving its dwindling readership with unbiased objective reporting.
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Publius,

Girvan 15/02/2009 08:47:27
This could be one heck of a meeting. It could last for at least a week as Brown and Salmond each attack the other. Personally I think both of them are overweight windbags and danerous incompetents. Both should go now before the voters kick them out.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 08:58:37
#23This could be one heck of a meeting. It could last for at least a week as Brown and Salmond each attack the other. Personally I think both of them are overweight windbags and dangerous incompetents. Both should go now before the voters kick them out.

Fortunately a minority of unionists like you Publius.
If there is an election tomorrow Broon is history the admiration of the Scottish people for ALEX SALMOND will show 20+ SNP MPs in Westmidden
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Menie,

Scotland 15/02/2009 09:03:31
Oh right! So it’s up to Alex Salmond to meet Brown? -Remember, this is the man who couldn’t even bring himself to phone our First Minister after 2007 election.

Looks like Broonie is running out of idea’s of how to get out of the mess he‘s in.
No solutions coming from anywhere else for him to claim as his own ,so he’s decided to break his own rule of ignoring the SNP to hear what Alex has to say - which is quite understandable really - Desperate time call for desperate measures eh Gordon?

AS for picking fights - Alex Salmond is the only First Minister to work to benefit Scotland and to stand up for Scottish interests with the limited powers he has. If that means arguing the case for Scotland, I say - Go Alex! I mean to say, who else is going to stand up for Scotland…….. Jim Murphy????

I didn’t get a chance to comment on the LIT postponement, but reading over the comments I see my fellow Nats did a good job.
It was disappointing but not entirely surprising . But to the Scots who are jumping up and down with delight at this outcome I say - you better have a look at this article and see what Labour are doing in England and will do the same in Scotland if they ever get back in power in Scottish Parliament.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/printer/view/74680/


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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

15/02/2009 09:04:37
Yes Publius, Salmond's popularity ratings are really shaky. The last MRUK poll had him at +53 points and the Scottish Labour leader at -22 points. Brown is off the richter scale in the unpopularity stakes. Yep proper shoogly nail stuff...
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Wardog™,

15/02/2009 09:10:35


What a load of tosh.

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Nikostratos,,

15/02/2009 09:29:33
#3 Rufus-T-Firefly,


Thats Alex for u always ready to squeak! up for the common mouse
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Nikostratos,,

15/02/2009 09:31:19
#28 Traquir , Alba

just tried to post it seems u are right.....
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brownlie,

15/02/2009 09:36:47
28 Traquir,

I'm not surprised - it's a despicable attempt to provoke as opposed to intelligent debate.

29 Nikos,

Take note - you should be above all that.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 10:06:29
Any date set for the meeting, Brown may be gone from No 10 before it gets started

According to The Times, there has been a back bench revolt amongst Labour MPs

THE government’s chief adviser on welfare has resigned to become a Conservative frontbencher amid growing public concern over Gordon Brown’s handling of the jobs crisis.

In a damaging political defection, David Freud, architect of Labour’s plans to privatise job training, will be appointed a Tory spokesman in the Lords and join David Cameron’s council of economic advisers.

Last night a source close to Cameron said: “David will play an important role developing policies to help get Britain back to work.”

Freud is believed to have become disillusioned by Brown’s lack of enthusiasm for his plans to drive more welfare claimants into work
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:15:51
28 Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009 09:29:02
I see that arch Unionist Rufus continues the highly offensive and feeble attempt to allude a link
to Nazis and the SNP - totally pathetic. The Scotsman
last week banned the word Nat-z so what does
one of most craven of Unionist apologists do but
invent a new variation in the form Nattz. Clearly
this person has has as much disrespect for the Jewish
people as the Scottish people.
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Traquir, did you forget your medication this morning?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
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TWC,

15/02/2009 10:23:20
Rufus
I seriously doubt that Brown will be there in month so Wee eck better hurry up or he'll need to go back down to speak to the new Guy.
Scotsman I fail to understand why Brown could not have called Salmond, I note that Obama called Brown.
The problem here is that Gordo is a big vindictive, dour disaster.
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LEAL,

15/02/2009 10:27:22
Tom Peterkin,
Was it not Brown who said he couldnt work with Salmond?Was it not Brown who refused to congratulate Salmond on his victory?You really will have to try harder to give your work a semblance of fair reporting.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:28:45
36 Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009 10:20:04
Hmm, so as well as posting highly obnoxious posts you
don't even have the guts to admit it, what a big surprise :)
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How does the phrase 'Scottish Nattz' equate to Scottish Nazis?

The fact is that it doesn't.

However I do think that this tells us all we need to know about your mindset.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:29:59
37 TWC,15/02/2009 10:23:20
Rufus
I seriously doubt that Brown will be there in month.

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That's only wishful thinking on your behalf.
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Menie,

Scotland 15/02/2009 10:34:04
Wonder if Alex will manage to get the thieving git to hand over the 1bn due to Scotland!

1. London Olympics Regeneration Fund

The spending identified for the regeneration of London's East End over and above the spending for the Olympics is approximately £300M annually for the next three years, applying the Barnet consequential to this, Scotland should be due £33 MILLION annually until 2013.

2. Carter Review of Prisons Spending

The UK Government recently announced the release of an 'emergency' £1.2BILLION after accepting recommendations in the Carter Review of Prisons in England and Wales to build new prisons, Scotland should be due £120 MILLION

3. Police and Fire fighter Commutation Costs

The Treasury found ADDITIONAL £375 MILLION funding out with their financial review to pay for the Police and Fire fighter Pension Commutation Costs, the Scottish Government managed to cover the costs in Scotland of £32 MILLION, the Barnet consequential should have been around £40 MILLION.

4. Fossil Fuel Levy Surplus

The Treasury own restrictions are currently preventing the release of the Fossil Fuel Levy surplus to Scotland. Parliamentary questions have revealed that the money is not being used and is simply being banked. The cash set aside for Scotland has swollen from just £18m in 2005-06 to around £120M.
This is simply UK Government incompetence fuelled by party politics on labours part.

5. Scottish Government's Under spend
Again the Treasury, fuelled by party politics on labours part, are preventing the Scottish Government from accessing it's own £42 MILLION under spend to help alleviate the problems of the current crisis. The Treasury is effectively punishing the Scottish Government for being canny with their spending.

6. Council Tax Benefit Mechanism from 2005-2008 A further whopping £476MILLION, which Scotland lost out on as a result of the suspension of the Council Tax Benefit mechanism, is due to Scotland.
The mechanism was introduce
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Jimmy Le Pie,

15/02/2009 10:35:12
I wouldn't be surprised if Comrade Broon, who works tirelessly for 26 hours a day, saving the union, has a 'medical problem' that lays him low for a while.
Lord Mandy, unelected by anyone, will assume the reins of power until Our Dear Leader recovers.

State of Emergency next??

Marshall Law???

Troops on the streets??? (they're all in Afghanistan!)

Scottish Parliament suspended under DORA regulations???
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Menie,

Scotland 15/02/2009 10:37:16

Cont.
6. Council Tax Benefit Mechanism from 2005-2008 A further whopping £476MILLION, which Scotland lost out on as a result of the suspension of the Council Tax Benefit mechanism, is due to Scotland.
The mechanism was introduced at the outset of devolution so that the Treasury could claw back money from the devolved administrations, which were expected to charge a higher council tax than England. In reality, Scottish council tax rates and rents increased at a lower rate than south of the border, resulting in money being paid out to Holyrood.
The arrangement was ceased in 2005 in exchange for a one-off £57m payment. The resulting loss has been running at £100MILLION per year.

7. Emergency Local Authority Spending in England
The UK Government has brought forward £450M 'emergency' funding to Local Authorities in England to help them pay for the equal pay issue, applying the Barnet consequential to this, Scotland should be due £45MILLION annually to help our councils deal with the same issue.

Well over £1 BILLION being withheld by a UK LABOUR GOVERNMENT

Add to that the threatened withholding of £400MILLION Council Tax Benefit, the ANNUAL Free Personal Care Attendance Allowance of £30MILLION that the Parliament has voted to return Sutherland Report or indeed the diversion of Lottery Funding from good causes throughout the UK to fund the London Olympics?

(List authored by Wardog TM, denied by London)



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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:38:00
Well perhaps you could come up with an
honest (I know that is a stretch ) answer
as to why The Scotsman banned the word 'Nat-z'
last week.
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How can I possibly know that? My best guess that you started bombarding the editor with boring emails complaining about it.

He probably acceded to your request as you were driving him insane.
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TWC,

15/02/2009 10:41:56
40 Rufus-T-Firefly,
Not ONLY wishful thinking -- ALSO wishful thinking.

Even the HBos deal is souring again, it's true what they say if Gordo opened an undertakers,people would stop dying.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

15/02/2009 10:42:27
I see Comrade Cameron is planning to neuter New Labour Sleaze forever, by banning Scots MPs voting on English matters.

From the Mail on Sunday,

"Scottish MPs will effectively be banned from voting on ‘English-only’ issues if David Cameron becomes Prime Minister.

The Tory leader has vowed to take tough action to combat claims that now Edinburgh
has its own parliament, it is wrong for Scottish MPs at Westminster to vote on laws affecting only England."

When New Labour Sleaze get wiped out at the next election, independence is a step closer!!
And never again will the Sleaze Party have a place at the trough!!! ;)
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:44:12
41 Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009 10:33:23
then you just happened to
invent (accidentally no doubt) the word Nattz ?
In addition to being ashamed to even admit
why you did this, you are in fact proving
yourself to be an inveterate liar.
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Incorrect.

I saw your postings yesterday in which you were bleating about the word 'Natzz', and how it was great
that the Scotsman editor had put the word on its 'banned list'.

So I adapted its form in the interests of freedom of speech.

No doubt 'Gnats' will be the next word to become 'illegal' on this website.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:46:21
#48 Traquir

Did you read my post?

It is crystal clear what I am saying as I cut and pasted the part of your post I was responding to.

You cannot be that stupid, can you?

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Jimmy Le Pie,

15/02/2009 10:48:48
Nice story in the Telegraph,

"The pettiness is the giveaway. Later this month, Gordon Brown is hosting a dinner to mark the unveiling of a new portrait of Margaret Thatcher. Naturally, No 10 asked the Iron Lady for the names of guests she wanted to attend. No less naturally, it was suggested by her office that the present Conservative leader should be invited. But when Downing Street heard that David Cameron was on the list, there was, I gather, a preposterous attempt to strike him off. Did the Prime Minister seriously think he could exclude Mr Cameron from the dinner? And on what possible grounds? No 10 backed down grumpily, and the Tory leader will indeed be attending. But the damage – to Mr Brown's dignity, principally – is already done."



http://tinyurl.com/dg7axu
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:54:07
Rufus you really are a dreadful liar. It is visible to a blind man what the word natzz implies. If you are going to use said language then you should be prepared to justify it's use.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:55:15
54 Waldo.

A strange post.

Why do you make a post saying that you have not been banned?

If you were banned then you would not be able to make the post.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:56:13
55 Observer,,Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:54:07
Rufus you really are a dreadful liar. It is visible to a blind man what the word natzz implies. If you are going to use said language then you should be prepared to justify it's use.
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Errm no, I do not have to justify anything.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:56:21
54 fuckwit isn't banned yet. Or stupid fuckingmoron. Or fuckingimbecile. Or fuckingstupidfucker. I feel better now.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:58:13
57 ''Errm no, I do not have to justify anything''.

I think that should read ''Errm no, I can't justify anything''.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:59:59
59 You may have a point there Traquir. If we were going to make up a poster to carry the unionist flag I would pick Rufus, as he is so counter-productive to his alleged cause.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

15/02/2009 11:02:29
#61

Aye, a bit like AM2!!!
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TWC,

15/02/2009 11:06:48
55 Observer,,

Rufus is a Labour supporter so of course he's a liar and he doesn't justify anything another Labour trait.

Whenever I doubt my reasons for abandoning this excuse for a party I look at the oil manipulaton documents as posted by Traquir, Alba.
No self respecting Scot of any party can fail to be angry with Labour for doing that to its own people.
What is the Legal situation for these MPs & Civil Servants who have deliberately constructed these lies??
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 11:15:15
63 That's an interesting question. Civil Servants are supposed to be politically neutral, but at the same time they work to the directive that the responsible Minister makes. So what is their culpability if their directive is to fundamentally tell lies ?

But what is emerging, if it was ever submerged, is that the Civil Sevants in Whitehall were prepared to exceed their Minister's expectations in attempting to suffocate the possibility of independence. I can only assume narrow self-interest was behind their actions. The Government needed the oil revenues in the seventies to keep the UK functioning, somewhat like the position we find ourselves in now.

That leads me to believe that the Whitehall mandarins will once again be opposed to anything that smacks of Scottish independence.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 11:38:19
65. For Lothians Labour list MSP and member of the House of Lords, you are a disgrace
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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 11:57:19
Well folks it is nice to know this Sunday morning that the curse that is the Labour party is in free fall with the most incompetent ,wicked leader in British political history.
The mandarins of Whitehall, Vichy Scots like Brown , Murphy , The Alexanders et al have sold their own country down the river for years for self gain and petty baubles.
The end is nigh for them and this accursed Union.
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KWC,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:34:28
I saw Darling on the TV last night and was reminded of Father Jack in the episode where the bishops visited. He was schooled tp give one of three meaningless replies, e.g. "That would be an ecumencial matter".

Darling has only been schooled in two.

How desperate, but we're the fools for allowing a situation to occur where this man is in charge.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 15/02/2009 12:58:06
Alex is elected and has a popular mandate. Gordon is not. No meeting should take place until Britain has an election.
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The informed voice of reason,

15/02/2009 13:15:07
Alex Salmond and Gordon Brown meeting? Waste of time, both men don't understand banking, energy or the wants of the people. Nothing will be achieved, other than perhaps Alex Salmond finding reason to manufacture more friction.

It would be far more productive to hold two general elections so that we can remove Labour and the SNP from both parliaments.
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IainGlasgow,

15/02/2009 13:17:18
#4

I haven't seen a comment that supports your hypothesis. In any case is there any reason why people in Scotland should support England in a match against Wales given that both those nations are also members of the UK?

Scotland have been extremely lacklustre and boring to watch in their first two games in the six nations and England haven't been much better. Wales on the other hand have made a good organised performance in both their games so far and I expect they will go on to win the grand slam.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 13:17:57
#73 Tories to replace Labour in London HQ and who do you suggest to replace Alex Salmond and SNP in Holyrood?
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The informed voice of reason,

15/02/2009 13:20:21
75 Rodster

Not fussed, but not Labour.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 13:24:02
#75 mmm not SNP .not labour mm that would leave the Scottish people to vote in a Tory Government.
Tell me voice have you been taking advantage of the SNP governments wonderful decision to make prescription drugs more affordable or are you using the illegal kind???
change your id VOR is as stupid as your posting
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 13:29:08
70 The Spook in Leith,15/02/2009 12:20:49
When the SNP won the Scottish elections and dumped the apologists out from Holyrood, the then Brit N a t z PM and mass civilian murderer Blair did not even phone Alex Salmond, that's when the relationships went sour.
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Where is your condemnation Traquir?

Spook used the 'N' word.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 15/02/2009 14:07:12
Gordon Brown ought to change his hair blackener. He is looking very grey these days. Not sure how to deal with his equally grey face, however. Maybe he should try boot polish. I will donate some spit.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 15/02/2009 14:14:16
Brown's attitude to the northern colony is absolutely disgraceful and utterly embarrassing for a man of his supposed status. Of course there are differences but there are many aspects of the relationship with North Britain which require some kind of liaison and "do nothing" is not on the option list although he likes to accuse the Opposition of it.

Anyway Mr Salmond you won't have long to wait now to see the difference as regards who you talk to in Westminster.
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Sam The Man The snp Fear Most,

Melanthios is IP banned! 15/02/2009 14:21:05
If i am being faked it will be by juan kerr, steve a or wardog , big mistake they never learn.

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BIG SMILE
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Gorach,

Dunadd 15/02/2009 14:25:39
Any attempt by Salmond to stand up for Scotland's interests will be seen by them as picking fights with Westminster.

Carry on Eck and sharpen your stick
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Rodster,

glasgow 15/02/2009 14:32:43
#79 Tut Tut no need to get personal I know you are a fascist and do not believe in free speech ,however we live in a democracy so tough titties.
as a Nationalist I know it is our time so be gracious be nice
ITS TIME!
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The informed voice of reason,

15/02/2009 14:37:00
85 Rodster

Free by '93. ITS TIME!

Another SNP Walter Mitty indulging in a spot of fantasy, I pity you.
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Tris,

15/02/2009 14:47:35
~52.

Jimmy

Does this mean that we are paying for this dinner for these overpaid people to celebrate the unveiling of a portrait of one of their number, and a particularly evil one at that?

Are there any of them who have heard about the fact that unemploymnent is soaring, businesses are closing down and that daily ordinary people are losing their jobs and their homes with little hopes of finding another one?

Do they know that pensioners and sick people are struggling to put food on the table and sitting huddled over fires with their coats and hats just on to stay alive?

Do they know that yesterday, yet another soldier lost his life in Afghanistan?

Have they any idea at all of what life is like for the people in this country?

Clearly not, or maybe they wouldn't expect to be spending out taxes on a big fat dinner.

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Glasgow 15/02/2009 14:52:28
#86 Seig Heil VOR
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 14:54:54
I am aware of who Alex Salmond is, as he is the elected First Minister of the Scottish Parliament, and I recall voting for him.

But who is this Gordon Brown character, did he used to be a Scotsman, and who voted for him to be in the position he temporarily occupies?
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Rodster,

Glasgow I am not reall Rodster i am someone else 15/02/2009 14:55:58
#89 that would be the Trade Union bosses and a load of trough dwelling thieves Bully WEE
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Glasgow 15/02/2009 15:09:01
83 Why would anyone want to fake you ? You do an excellent job of charicaturing yourself.
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15/02/2009 15:36:44
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"It would appear
that the most traitorous of documents (aka McCrone)
was just preparation work for British operations
to cease Scotland natural resources. The full
McCrone document can be found at - tinyurl.com/3sdrdg . I encourage all Scots (Unionist or Nationalist) who
have Scotland best interests at heart to read it full)."

And I would urge all Scots to read the debunking of it at

http://nat-mythbusting.blogspot.com/2009/02/mccrone-myth-refuted.html
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Argyll 15/02/2009 16:29:33
86 - "Another SNP Walter Mitty indulging in a spot of fantasy, I pity you."

- Seen the latest poll results on Independence in the Herald?
- Its you who is fantasising if you don't believe its coming. I'm not interested in numbers or slogans, just trends. Look at the (admittedly un-linear) rise in Nationalist support since say the 1950s. Give it to any reasonable statistitian and ask where it's going.
Don't waste your pity on us Nats, rather give it to the people whose livelihoods and lives will be needlessly blighted by Browns depression.

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pehman,

sussex 15/02/2009 16:55:48

I've just found this in the telegraph;-


Tory leader David Cameron is to include a pledge to ban Scottish MPs from voting on laws for England in the Conservative manifesto for the next general election.

By Simon Johnson, Scottish Political Editor
Last Updated: 1:08PM GMT 15 Feb 2009

David Cameron is said to support the idea of preventing any party using Scottish votes to block amendments made by English MPs Photo: AP
As The Daily Telegraph disclosed last year, the Tory leader has endorsed a proposal to create an "English Grand Committee" of MPs with English seats to oversee legislation and make changes.

All MPs would be allowed to vote on England-only laws at their first and second readings in the Commons under the plan, drawn up by Ken Clarke, the former chancellor who is now Shadow Business Secretary.

Mr Cameron has now repeated his assertion that the system is the best answer to the "West Lothian Question", the constitutional problem created by Scottish devolution a decade ago.

This allows Scots MPs, including Gordon Brown, to vote on issues such as health and education that do not affect their constituencies because they are devolved to the Edinburgh parliament.

Mr Cameron said: "The solution in the Clarke paper is the solution I'm most attracted to.

"For English-only legislation, we would have a sort of English Grand Committee. That is our intention and what is likely to go in the manifesto."

At the third and final reading, all MPs could once again vote, but a new parliamentary undertaking would prevent any party using Scottish votes to block amendments made by English MPs.

Mr Cameron attacked the Prime Minister for not meeting Alex Salmond, the Scottish First Minister, since April last year "in the teeth of this appalling recession".

He said the decision was all the more "extraordinary" because the Scottish economy appeared to be declining at a quicker rate than England's.

The Tory leader repeated his opposition to
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cont;-
For English-only legislation, we would have a sort of English Grand Committee. That is our intention and what is likely to go in the manifesto."

At the third and final reading, all MPs could once again vote, but a new parliamentary undertaking would prevent any party using Scottish votes to block amendments made by English MPs.

Mr Cameron attacked the Prime Minister for not meeting Alex Salmond, the Scottish First Minister, since April last year "in the teeth of this appalling recession".

He said the decision was all the more "extraordinary" because the Scottish economy appeared to be declining at a quicker rate than England's.

The Tory leader repeated his opposition to a referendum on Scottish independence, which Mr Salmond plans to hold next year, but conceded that one should be staged if the majority of Scots want a vote.

Note the last para, he'll give us a vote if we vote to have a vote first
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irenecu,

Kirkcaldy 15/02/2009 17:31:42
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1907907.0.40_of_scots_now_support_independence.php

Once again a poll showing the upward trend in the support for Independence.
By 2010 the War Criminals party will have been ousted, leaving the way clear for a positive vote for Independence, rather than be governed by the despised Conservatives.
Independence,here we come.
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Stan Butler,

15/02/2009 18:13:58


What's all this about despised Conservatives?

The SNP opened the door to let Thatcher in.

Fat N'Eck Salmond didn't mind the economic side of Thatcherism so much.

The SNP heartlands are all traditional Tory areas.

The Tories at Holyrood loved the SNP budget.

The SNP don't despise the Tories at all. They're your allies.
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Glasgow 15/02/2009 18:21:55
100 You obviously haven't been in Hospital recently Sam, if you had you would have noticed that many of the doctors and nurses are immigrants. The NHS couldn't function without them, but then you wouldn't care about that because you are just a nasty little racist who doesn't like black people.

105 Stan I was 14 when Thatcher came to power. How many people even remember how she got in ? We just remember her. Is Glasgow Govan a Tory heartland then ? When was that ?
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Stan Butler,

15/02/2009 18:37:37
#106 Observer

A heartland is an area where support has remained strong through thick and thin over a long time scale.

The Gnat strongholds are in the NE of Scotland. Areas where fishing, farming and tourism are the mainstays of the economy. They are traditional Tory areas.

When Fat N'Eck Salmond said 'we didn't mind the economic side so much' he wasn't speaking for the people of Govan, was he?

I think you'll find he was speaking for the likes of SNP voters in Banff & Buchan.
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Stan Butler,

15/02/2009 18:47:25
#110 Traquir

You seem to think that criticism of Brown or the Labour Party somehow invalidates the points I have made about the SNP and their relationship to the Tories. It doesn't.

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Glasgow 15/02/2009 18:49:36
109 I think you'll find that the SNP speak for the voters in Banff and Buchan and Govan Stan. That's their strength. They are not based along the old tribal lines. But their policies speak for themselves, and they are not Tory ones, Labour are far closer to the Tories than the SNP when you look at their policies - many of them are inter-changeable.
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lusitania 15/02/2009 18:53:26
What is noticable on this thread, and many others, is the support for NuLabTory, and the Union, which is coming from the Quasi-Brit BNP.

I wonder why this is?
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 15/02/2009 19:03:01
#111, Stan Butler.

Perhaps you would like to explain your antipathy to the SNP.

The fact that the SNP is winning in the NE is because the people of the NE know, well, that they now have a voice that will work against the NuLab Tory/Tory dogma.

The SNP have aggregated the anti-Tory (NULab &Tory) vote.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 15/02/2009 19:49:20
#116, CRBA.

Oh what a joy!!!

Delusional OR cyber nut-job?????????????????

Does it matter?
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15/02/2009 19:57:36
117 frank

Thanks!

The latter.

Well to me it does...

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15/02/2009 19:59:14
You to frank.

Where is lusitania?
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15/02/2009 20:01:49
That should have been "too".

I never make spelling or grammar mistooks!
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15/02/2009 20:07:28
This is boring.

I'm off now.

I have a date with a rather large bottle of Rioja.

Ole!
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lusitania 15/02/2009 20:23:58
#120

A terra do Dao.

Boa noite, griego.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:55:06
After Mr Moore's revelations forced the resignation of the deputy chairman of the Financial Services Authority Sir James Crosby, Mr Brown told another parliamentary committee that HBOS's massive losses - estimated at more than £10 billion - were caused not by Government policy but by the bank's flawed business model.

But Mr Moore, who was head of risk at HBOS from 2002 to 2005, today told the Independent on Sunday: "The failure goes right to the heart of the system - to the internal supervisory system and right to the top of government.

"Brown must go. He cannot remain in office.

"He has presided over the biggest boom in the history of the country as well as one of the biggest busts.

"But he promised no more boom and bust. He must be held accountable for his failure to oversee the stability of the country."

Mr Moore added: "Brown presided over a policy based on excessive consumer spending based on excessive consumer credit based on massively increasing property prices, which were caused by excessively easy credit which could only ultimately lead to disaster.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:11:30
Alistair Darling, our Chancellor, who controls the nation’s purse strings while living rent-free in Downing Street, has received almost £70,000 by designating his Edinburgh family mansion as a second home.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:12:18
All this in the same week that Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was discovered to have claimed £116,000 in Commons allowances for living with her sister whilst in London.


The whole culture of how MPs exploit the expenses gravy train stinks. It’s time the self-serving rules were ripped up.


Every single MP knows the system is inept. But they are not going to change it because they are too busy counting their cash.


Is it any wonder that decent men and women have no time, respect or faith in their elected politicians?


The world is facing an unprecedented economic meltdown.


Until Westminster cleans up its act, MPs deserve every bit of contempt they get.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:34:19
Johnston's woes have reignited the long-running debate on the future of the The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday and the Edinburgh Evening News. Although Bowdler has refused to comment on speculation the titles are for sale, analysts say that only by selling titles can the company improve its "perilous" position. The market is deeply worried by the company's £465m debt and the fact the company must refinance that debt before 2010, in the middle of the "deepest recession we have seen for a long time", when banks are unwilling or unable to lend.

The Scotsman papers are widely seen as the most likely to be sold first because they fit the least well with Johnston's two century-old "life is local" business mantra, and the brands still carry a value well in excess of the price tag now being attached to them by the City. But sources say the problem for Bowdler is that nobody - at least for the moment - will put in an acceptable offer. Even if such an offer was to be forthcoming, it is unlikely that anything will happen until Fry takes up his post in January.
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Stan Butler,

15/02/2009 22:49:06
#112 Observer

'I think you'll find that the SNP speak for the voters in Banff and Buchan and Govan Stan.'


When Fat N'Eck Salmond said 'we didn't mind the economic side so much' was he speaking for the people of Govan?

Seriously?

You know there's no one in Govan would endorse that sentiment. No one.

Banff and Buchan and the other SNP heartlands are a different matter.

You align yourself with people who didn't mind the economic side of Thatcherism if you want. But just remember, if you lie with dogs don't be surprised if you get fleas.
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Stan Butler,

15/02/2009 22:52:23
#131 Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

Much like that SNP MSP Nigel Don, whom no one had ever heard of before, isn't it?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

16/02/2009 23:01:23
Aw a kin say for break time is ‘Fight! Fight! Fight!’
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donald,

glasgow 17/02/2009 08:48:46
Stick the heid oan him Alex.

 

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