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Published Date: 11 January 2009
THE SNP was last night preparing for a round of intense negotiations after the Conservatives insisted that they had not given the backing needed to get the Scottish Government's Budget through Parliament.
Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservative leader, reacted to suggestions that her party has become too close to the SNP by denying she had come to any agreement with Alex Salmond.

Goldie's remarks were the latest move in a round of horse-trading
that the parties will engage in over the next three weeks as the SNP Government attempts to steer the crucial legislation through Holyrood.

As the leader of a minority administration, Salmond requires support from at least one of the main opposition parties, giving rivals the chance to squeeze concessions out of the Government.

Government sources have suggested Salmond is confident he will be backed by the Tories and the Greens, ensuring his £33bn Budget is passed through Parliament – despite possible opposition from Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

Yesterday, Goldie responded to critics, who have suggested the Tories are not demanding enough from the Government in return for their support.

She said: "This must be a serious Budget to deal with Labour's recession. Our duty is to deliver real help to ease the pain of Gordon Brown's broken economy. However, contrary to the picture that has been painted so far, the Scottish Conservatives have made no deals and given no commitments."

Last year, Salmond threatened to resign and trigger an election if the SNP's first Budget failed to get support. This year, finance secretary John Swinney has repeated the threat, but the idea of going to the country during an economic crisis appears an unrealistic scenario.

Last year, the Tories voted with the Government after securing a commitment for 1,000 extra police officers and an acceleration of business rates cuts. This year, they are demanding a £10m-a-year guarantee that every state school pupil will be given a week of "outdoor adventure education" during their studies.

And it is understood that the Government is close to backing their plans for a new hospital bed-by-bed monitoring system to tackle hospital infections.

The most important demand from the Greens is a home insulation scheme that would cost £100m a year.

The Lib Dems appear to have already forced themselves to vote against the Government, having had their request for a 2p cut in income tax to stimulate the economy flatly turned down by the SNP.

Labour, the largest opposition party, has been keeping its cards close to its chest, but its shadow finance spokesman, Andy Kerr, has had two meetings with Swinney.

Labour wants Swinney to place more emphasis on saving jobs and creating new ones.

Sources within the party say that they are still far from satisfied with what is on offer, although they have been encouraged by the conciliatory language used by Swinney when he launched the Budget on Friday.

The SNP's opponents are now drawing up amendments that can be considered at the committee stage, which gets under way in 12 days after MSPs vote on the bill at stage I on Wednesday.

There will be room for manoeuvre right up until January 28 when the stage III version of the bill comes before Parliament for the last time.






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Jimmy Le Pie,

11/01/2009 00:18:12
Smee

What about another first and post something sensible??
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11/01/2009 00:24:11
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Wardog™,

11/01/2009 00:30:16


Very interesting indeed.

Annabelle plays a shrewd gamne as usual and will be targeting traditionally tory/snp voters. ( yes they do exist)

Patrick Harvey is playin a stormer if he get's aywhee near his target for free insulation, a boost to the current program should be enough for Green abstention.

Labour are being a bit dark horse, can they really afford to vote against this?

Lib Dems are defintiely on the road to oblivion with their tantramns, no paper has picked it up but the fact is they are in absolute crisis at the moment after recent by-elections and poll.......

I give Tavish until August.





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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 11/01/2009 00:37:53
I hope we get the tories on board, along with the Greens and Margo MacDonald, just like last year. It would be better if we could get Labour and Lib Dems on board as well, but the Lib Dems want to take £800 million out the budget with their 2p tax cut and Labour, I have no idea what they will do, because they suggested an amendment to last years budget, it was accepted, then they abstained anyway.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 01:12:54
2 Aye you are quite right, as I seemed to spend more of my life than I should have explaining, the resignation of a First Minister doesn't need to trigger an election. But in these circumstances I think it would, and that's why I think Labour and the Libs are bluffing.
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Havelock Vetinari,

Leith 11/01/2009 04:33:14
"A serious Budget to deal with Labour's recession..."

And then we find out they're chasing a few quid for the weans tae go campin'.... yer huvin' a laugh Goldie ya Mutt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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donald,

glasgow 11/01/2009 08:14:21
Grey Broon Onion Jack Tories face early turkey Xmas.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/01/2009 08:15:27
Given Brown's disastrous handling of the UK economy, I see no reason to trust the economic credentials of Labour in Holyrood. I think their suggestions can be safely ignored.

The deal will be done with the Tories and Labour will (as usual)abstain.

The budget will be approved. End of story.
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11/01/2009 08:24:19
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11/01/2009 08:25:45
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11/01/2009 08:27:39
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Wardog™,

11/01/2009 10:12:31


15. Coup d'etat

Nice, Labour theoretically rests control of the Scottish parliament without a democratic mandate. That would top it all.

How quaint.

Not content with 'liberating' Iraq and Afghanistan, Albion now sets it's greedy eyes and grasping paws on bonnie Scotland.



Away and wash yer pyjama's ya fool.




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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:15:04
The minority Scots Tories have no other option than to support the Scottish Budget?

Should the First Minister once again cry wolf and threaten to resign, and IF the Budget is not passed, then Iain Gray would be shoe-horned into his post with an unelected Labour/Lib-Dem coalition still with two and a half years before the next Holyrood Elections.

The Scots Tories may be an ineffectual political
party but they are no turkeys!
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Scimitar1,

11/01/2009 10:45:40
The Conservatives could lose votes by fraternizing with the Far-left. As the SNP ship sinks by its own steam, they could suffer the way the Fib-Dems did with ZanuLab - guilt by association. T
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 10:47:42
14 Oh I am the original Observer alright, I don't know why I haven't been banned again, ask the Scotsman. You are handing sm753 a gun to shoot you with over the Scotland Act you know, just because the rules would allow a change of Government without an election doesn't mean it's going to happen, I doubt very much that it could as the voters wouldn't stand for it. But the possibility is there.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 11/01/2009 11:00:58
#5 - clearly the tartan Tories and the conservative Tories are in cahoots yet again. There is no denying the LibDems alternative strategy of putting real money (up to 3p in £) into real people pockets so they can choose to spend or save is being rejected out of hand by a group of nationalists who show they don't really have a clue if they have to rely on the kind of back door support only Tories specialise in. Honest alternatives that might work faster than the do-nothing very much approach favoured by the SNP deserve proper consideration so its the gNATS who should be pilloried rather than those who prefer a more optimistic approach and believe at times like these fortune favours the brave. John Maynard Keynes you are a true hero of our times and we need your approach now more than ever. I

believe history will prove the LibDems correct yet again but in the meantime we have to live with the conservatives and their tartan allies. Hell mend you!
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alanh,

ek 11/01/2009 11:08:09
instead of this paper just printing the nu lie-bour , north brittian dept, press releases as "fact" can they ask for a little clarity?
"Labour wants Swinney to place more emphasis on saving jobs and creating new ones." These are nice wooly words but what does it actually mean in practise? What monies from our budget do they want spent where and what cuts from other bits of the budget would they make to pay for them? Do they not have any journalists in this paper that can actually question anyone other than the SNP?
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11/01/2009 11:26:55
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The Tin Man,

11/01/2009 11:39:05
Centre for Economics and Business Research:

"Scotland is on course to become the world’s third most state-dependent country, with only Cuba and Iraq spending more taxpayers’ money on public services.

Economic forecasters predict that by 2012 public spending will rise to the equivalent of 67% of the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) — the highest level in the developed world, with only Havana and Baghdad spending more."
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11/01/2009 12:52:55
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Jimmy Le Pie,

11/01/2009 13:14:31
#24 Tin Man

I would take anything that the Centre for Economics and Business Research say with a large pinch of salt. This was their forecast for the housing market last August.

http://tinyurl.com/8xhcbo



"House prices will stop falling next year (2009) and will soar 30% over the following three years, a leading economics consultancy said last August.
The CEBR surprised with forecasts of house price rises
The rare optimism will delight homeowners who have been worried by gloomy predictions in recent months.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research predicts the housing meltdown will stop in the middle of next year and believes that by the end of 2012 average house prices will be up by more than £50,000 to a record £226,000."
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11/01/2009 13:34:20
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Wardog™,

11/01/2009 14:36:19


24 What did they include in our GDP?

Oil?
26

­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 16:01:16
I suffer from a condition called micro p-enis­.

Microp-enis is a medical term that describes an unusually small p-enis. A common criterion is a dorsal (measured on top) erect p-en­ile length of at least 2.5 standard deviations smaller than the mean p-­e­nis size.[1] The condition is usually recognized shortly after birth. The term is most often used medically when the rest of the p-e­n­is, scrotum, and perineum is without ambiguity such as hypospadias.
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­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 16:08:54
Because I never leave my seat posting here to wash, I also suffer from very bad breath.

Halitosis, oral malodor, breath odor, mouth odor, foul breath, fetor oris, fetor ex ore, or most commonly bad breath are terms used to describe noticeably unpleasant odors exhaled in breathing – whether the smell is from an oral source or not. Halitosis has a significant impact – personally and socially – on those who suffer from it or believe they do (halitophobia), and is estimated to be the third most frequent reason for seeking dental aid, following tooth decay and periodontal disease.[1]
In most cases (85–90%), bad breath originates in the mouth itself.[2] The intensity of bad breath differs during the day, as a function of oral dryness (which may be due to stress or fasting), eating certain foods (such as garlic, onions, meat, fish and cheese), obesity, smoking and alcohol consumption.[3][4] Because the mouth is dry and inactive during the night, the odor is usually worse upon awakening ("morning breath"). Bad breath may be transient, often disappearing following eating, brushing one's teeth, flossing, and rinsing with specialised mouthwash.

Bad breath may also be persistent (chronic bad breath), which is a more serious condition, affecting some 25% of the population in varying degrees.[5] It can negatively affect the individual's personal, social and business relationships, leading to poor self-esteem and increased stress.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 17:22:49
Jesus why don't you two fakeys get a room and stop boring the pants off everyone else.
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­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 18:49:01
I really don't know if this is where I should be my...anyway, my boyfriend of four years informed me that evertime we have intercourse intercourse he gets this fungus on his todger

He uses a antifungal cream and it goes a way. Four years is a long time to keep this from me and my gp can't get me in for three more weeks, I have now discharge from my (sore) botty
I am very scared - any idea what this is. Thanks Rufus
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­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 18:49:02
I really don't know if this is where I should be my...anyway, my boyfriend of four years informed me that evertime we have intercourse intercourse he gets this fungus on his todger

He uses a antifungal cream and it goes a way. Four years is a long time to keep this from me and my gp can't get me in for three more weeks, I have now discharge from my (sore) botty
I am very scared - any idea what this is. Thanks Rufus
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Son of one of Stirlings finest­,

11/01/2009 19:19:21
I am very concerned, here is why...

I wipe my botty very well -- I mean VERY well -- and go without farting, or much activity (my boyfriend Rufus T Firefly knows what I mean by activity), butI'll go back to the bathroom a few hours later because something feels a little wrong and I wipe my botty and it looks like I didn't wipe it the last time I had a number two.

It's not liquidy or anything, it just looks like I didnt wipe very well. I don't eat alot of fat or chips, I don't drink, and I only have moderate back door action with Rufus (he is usually too busy on here)... I don't know why this happens. Anyone else have this problem? Is sweat like getting up in my botty and kinda loosening things up or something? Thanks for the help.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 11/01/2009 19:24:41
#26 - I'm glad you use the word account in your pseudonym and not accountant as its clear you don't really undestand how and why the numbers add up. LIT is replacing an unfair council tax and were it introduced UK wide then all Scottish resisitence would subside (a bit of the old poll tax fear creeping in again unfortunately). By reducing IT this provides people with money in their pocket at a time when it is more necessary that individuals have a say rather than the institutions we are having to subsidise despite the fact they had failed the majority of us. Thats a far more democratic use of the available powers of the Scottish parliament when all Salmond/Swinney,Gray, Goldie and co can think up are ways of increasing public spending while private individuals and SME's etc go to the wall.

Its you who needs to take a reality check on what might actually work and really stimulate our local economy. Thats what LibDems are about = trust the people for a change.
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11/01/2009 19:32:17
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TWC,

17/01/2009 18:17:31
There's a wee opportunity here for Labour to take the leadership and form a coalition.
Or They could stop the Nats and force a Scottish election. Will they??? or does that tell us how shaky theor position is.

 

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