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Major study reveals hardcore of offenders but plays down talk of 'feral' youngsters running wild

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Published Date: 27 January 2008
ALMOST one in 10 Scots youngsters have at least one criminal conviction by age 19, the biggest survey into youth crime north of the border has concluded.
Researchers at Edinburgh University, who monitored more than 4,300 youngsters from the start of secondary school, discovered that around a third of children in trouble – 132 individuals – had convictions for crimes of violence.

The team also iden
tified a hardcore among youngsters with criminal convictions. Almost a quarter of the group had committed four or more crimes.

The researchers last night blamed social problems, family breakdown, school exclusion and a "shocking failure" in the youth justice system for the number of youngsters getting into serious trouble during their teens.

Among offenders appearing before the children's hearing system – which is designed to address their behaviour – 60% later appear in an adult court. The researchers say more needs to be done to assist troubled youngsters and they should be regarded as vulnerable.

But the recommendations from the Edinburgh study were criticised by victims' groups last night, who said the rights of those who suffered at the hands of criminals were in danger of being forgotten.

The debate over the extent of crime committed by "feral youth", and what to do about it, has raged over the past week following the conviction of a gang of teenagers for kicking and beating to death Gary Newlove outside his home in Warrington, Cheshire. Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she would not feel safe walking in Hackney, London, late at night.

In Scotland last week, a sheriff agreed to a newspaper's request to be allowed to 'name and shame' a 15-year-old boy who attacked a seller of the Big Issue magazine, with a bottle.

Sheriff Annella Cowan gave permission for teenager Lee Reid's name, address and photograph to be published, saying: "I am satisfied that, particularly in the climate of cases of violent assaults by young persons, it is … in the public interest that the restrictions be lifted – publicity is part of the punishment."

Against this background, Edinburgh University has been running a massive project to examine why children get into trouble – the Youth Transitions and Crime Study – which began in 1998 and has analysed the lives of 4,317 youngsters.

The latest report, for 2007, has been obtained by Scotland on Sunday and shows:

• Some 355 – 8.8% – of respondents ended up with at least one conviction by 19.

• This sub-group amassed 1,213 convictions, with 23% receiving four or more convictions and one individual amassing 44.

• A quarter of those were convicted before they turned 16.

• Almost all of those who ended up with criminal records had been excluded from school, had received a police warning by 12 or had been referred to the Scottish Children's Reporter.

• Motoring offences were the most common crimes, with only 11 individuals found in possession of a weapon.

Among the recommendations made by the group are trying to reduce the number of youngsters excluded from school to lessen the chances of them ending up with a criminal record. Study co-director Susan McVie believes the problem of 'feral' youths is greatly exaggerated, however, and said the report's findings bear this out.

She added: "Public perceptions are driven largely by political reports and media portrayals of knife-fuelled violence.

"Although these pictures do represent a certain component of Scottish society, it does not reflect the norm of Scottish life for most people. There is a real lack of objective data on youth offending in Scotland, such as ours, which may be able to alleviate public concern."

McVie said the findings highlighted the need to keep young people out of the criminal justice system for as long as possible. She added: "What was particularly concerning was the proportion of young people who made the transition from the children's hearing system to the adult criminal justice system.

"Three out of five young people with a conviction had been known to the children's hearing system and that indicates a shocking failure to address the issues underlying these people's offending behaviour.

"Our research indicates that many of those children who offend most frequently and seriously are also highly vulnerable, damaged and needy. They should be retained within the appropriate system for as long as possible, rather than treating them as adults."

Tom Roberts, head of public affairs at Scottish Children's charity Children 1st, said: "Everyone agrees that early intervention is key to tackling children and young people's difficulties. However, increasingly, a child only gets help when there is a formal referral made, such as to the Children's Reporter. We know that often the best way to help children is by supporting their parents, but more investment in support services is needed to allow parents to access appropriate support where and when they need it."

But Norman Brennan, head of the Victims of Crime Trust, said: "There needs to be a degree of care when it comes to dealing with and treating young offenders, but many of them do know better and realise that they are breaking the boundaries and constraints set by normal society."

David Sinclair, a spokesman for Victims of Violence Scotland, said: "We recognise that there can be peer pressure from their own age group that can put them in a very difficult position. However, what is quite clear is that there is a very definite type of youngster who is not controlled by their family and who has not accepted the rules of education or society."



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  • Last Updated: 26 January 2008 8:40 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Youth crime
 
1

subrosa,

27/01/2008 01:47:16
The lunatics are running the asylum. But it's been on the cards for a long time and the great UK public have preferred to keep their heads in the sand.
2

Dawn of the dead,

27/01/2008 02:11:12
It is dawn of the dead. And with all you useless plebs voting New Labour/SNP it will soon be day of the dead.

The police are often too fat, stupid and lazy to be bothered. After all, how many jobs can a high school graduate with a few below par GCSEs get with pay and benefits like the Police?

Add in the Governments refusal to jail them, the Police's refusal to catch them and as a result the public's refusal to report them it is at critical mass.

If you mug a granny for £50 and get away with it, you will do it again. When after doing it 20 times you accidently get caught with a knife, you are informed as it's a first offense we'd better blame society for making you that way.

Of course, we don't recognise that society creates these people by letting them do it 20 times and then blaming ourselves. No, it's because the £20,000 per annum these scum bags parent's get free from the state per person is not enough to make them feel as proserus as the £10,000 they let the lower middle classes earn from having to work all week.

3

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 27/01/2008 02:52:34
"One in 10 children convicted by age 19"

A 'NON' Starter!

"One in 10 children convicted by age 19"

Compared to, when!,..who!,..what!.??

'OH' I..know.!,,until NOW we NEVER had 'Criminals'.!

'RIGHT-THEN'.!
4

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 27/01/2008 03:00:36
Everyone, unless 'Blind and Stupid'

Must see, why there IS an underlying Conspiracy going on!!,
That everyday in our 'News' and 'Papers'
The Authority 'At-Be'., are 'Attacking our Young'!
5

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 27/01/2008 03:09:44
Everyone, unless 'Blind and Stupid'

Must see, why there IS an underlying Conspiracy going on!!,
That everyday in our 'News' and 'Papers'
The Authority 'At-Be'., are 'Attacking our Young'!

Their.. 'Cynicism' is only for only an 'Evil-Cause'.!!
6

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 27/01/2008 03:12:13
Their.. 'Cynicism' is only for only an 'Evil-Cause'.!!
7

Davy,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 05:02:59
It is police policy to charge you, when they think it is in there power to do so. Youngsters especially if it is the first time will plead guilty. Reason being it is the easier option being first offenders. If more youngsters especially the innocent ones were to plead not guilty. The crime figures would not be so high. The police would not be so quick to charge someone and maybe use some common sense rather than give 1 in 10 a criminal record. In doing so they would gain and keep the respect that they should have. Instead of this common hate that some of this generation have of her majesties constabulary.
8

Haleakelaman,

Auld Grey City 27/01/2008 07:32:37
"One in 10 children convicted by age 19"
Aye right!!!
Then given counselling a wee slap on the wrist(oh wait- you can't do that either) and let off to continue another crime spree.
The fact of the matter is our current law system is failing to protect the law-abiding citizens and victims of crime. We've got years of human rights activists to thank for that. What about the victims of crime? The current system makes me sick. If you do something wrong you should get just punishment, and not what some human rights lawyer deems appropriate. Protect the law-abiding citizens of Scotland and not the scum who give our country a bad name. I'm fed up looking at hoodies hanging about intimidating people and being menacing.
9

PCMurdoch,

Glasgow 27/01/2008 07:48:20
No 8 Davy, If police officers didn't use their discretion and decided to charge every young person they saw committing an offence the crime figures would go through the roof.
Your argument seems to be that the police go around charging innocent youngsters who then plead guilty - what a complete load of rubbish.
10

Haleakelaman,

St.Andrews 27/01/2008 08:03:46
#8 What are you blethering about? It's got nothing to do with the police. It's the law system and the fact that criminals are not getting just punishment. I've stated this before, it's not the fault of the police, they must be sickened to carch criminals only to watch them getting some paltry fine community service. This country better watch out and change the system so the public ARE protected.
11

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 08:30:32
#8 Davy

The police lost much of their discretion long ago. Ever heard of the Scottish Crime Recording Standard? Another NuLab wizard wheeze. Go look it up. That's why you never see a cop and why so many young people are criminalised for minor pish. But then, you get the justice system you vote for.
12

Haleakelaman,

Auld Grey City 27/01/2008 08:44:10
Put a complete ban on Buckfast imports into Scotland, just stop selling that "tonic" wine?????? Every spar and corner shop may close as a result.
13

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 27/01/2008 11:45:12
This is clearly not the fault of the police. It goes back to the very beginning of their school days when once school was were you learnt the meaning of discipline or else you felt the sting of the tawse on your hand and sometimes right up your arm. One teacher held classes of over 40 pupils in order. But few children went through that system without at least coming away with a decent basic education and the ability to find a job. Political correctness has scared well intentioned men away from running scouts or BB companies and the old youth clubs are few and far between. Fatherless, uneducated, undisciplined youngsters are now with us in ever increasing numbers and the boredom of their empty lives is a blight on society, and will continue so until discipline is restored at primary schools. God help the next generation that the present feckless bunch will bring into the world!
14

Cadgers,

27/01/2008 11:46:19
There's a good petition on the No10(I know,I know)website. 3 strikes and you're oot. Third offence and you lose the right to legal aid. Sounds good to me.
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/01/2008 11:48:06
Charles Linskaill

Good morning. You seem to be up VERY early of late.

I blame it on bad parenting. IF you have drunken or drugged or absent parents who are engaged in serial adultery what do you expect from the children. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

This problem is not unique to Scotland and I think the USA has a higher rate of youth crime. Canada is probably catching up too.

I do not know the solution but strict supervision, corporal punishment by the sober parents, and exlusion of privileges may be a start.

These child criminals will go onto more horrendous crimes such as rape and murder and vicious beatings and it is time the problem is nipped in the bud by the parents, social workers, police forces, and government agencies.

This may be dreaming in technicolour but it is MY wish list.
16

Kdv,

27/01/2008 12:31:13
Haleakelaman,
Auld Grey City
You should maybe try and get elected you seem to have as much commonsense as an MP.
Margaret Liddell tried to get the Bucckie banned.
After all her talk and saber rattling, buckfast sales went on to the Richter scale.
Impressionable kids, who had never heard of it before.
Thought, I think I will give this a try just to see what all the fuss is about.
Now because of her we now have a problem all over Scotland not just in the west coast
17

Kdv,

27/01/2008 12:35:16
8
Davy

Ah can see whae yea are a cummin from
18

Kdv,

27/01/2008 12:46:26
PCMurdoch,
Glasgow
Crime figures are through the roof did you actually read this article.
Or do you just make comments on other peoples opinions. (That does not suit you.) I think you could be a real PC, then that would explain everything.
19

kyles,

27/01/2008 14:10:21
The affairs of most children and young adult teenagers are always governed by society and and by their responses to their social ubringings by parents aswell as all other influences in their imediate inviroments. Mr Richey looked worn out and as for being a psychotic most people are some are said to have temper under "pressures". it depends on your social standing or yopur willingness to comply agree or not to the ruling minorities and majorities.
20

kyles,

27/01/2008 14:13:22
The SNP justice minister made an attempt to remove the problems by reduceing drinking hours. No mention of of other drugs or influences like taxes.
21

Davy,

27/01/2008 15:57:06
For the attention of PC Murdoch
This was coppied from THE SCOTTISH CRIME RECORDING STANDARD (SCRS)

Principles: All reports of incidents, whether crime related or not will result in the creation of a report, which is auditable.
Following initial registration, an incident will be recorded as a crime in all cases if:
the circumstances amount to a crime or offence as defined by Scots Law,
and
there is no credible evidence to the contrary.
Once recorded, a crime will remain recorded unless there is verifiable evidence to disprove that a crime had occurred.

In other words you are guilty until you can prove otherwise.
Thank you, I can now rest my case with out fear of contradiction.
22

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 16:02:22
A certain political wag once said 'there is no such thing as society.' Correct. Now there is no such thing as childhood.

Read the papers. Why on earth should our youngsters respect the society they are not even welcome in?
'Feral youth' are always an easy target for a society in decline.
23

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 16:06:18
16 Dimwit:

'These child criminals will go onto more horrendous crimes such as rape and murder and vicious beatings and it is time the problem is nipped in the bud by the parents, social workers, police forces, and government agencies.'

Yes, let the drug addicted, child abusing, corrupt adults deal with it.

This may be dreaming in technicolour but it is MY wish list
24

PCMurdoch,

Glasgow 27/01/2008 16:08:46
Davy, I refer you to my earlier post at No 10 above - accurate in every respect.
25

Marie1,

27/01/2008 16:38:48
PCMurdoch,
Glasgow 27/01/2008 16:08:46
I have just read your posts and to be perfectly honest, you’re on a different planet than the rest of us. We all want a crime free society. Alas when the people in charge i.e. politicians and police do not do the jobs correctly we are going to have a crime problem. Do you trust the people in power (politicians, the police your boss the city council Gas or electricity companies) they are the real criminals of our lovely country. Naw lets lock up or birch the kids. Shame on all of us for letting the fat Kats run the lunatic asylum
26

Karl Gauss,

USA 27/01/2008 17:20:13
#23- -Is this the society you mean?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin
According to it,you are on the rise rather than the decline.
27

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/01/2008 17:41:50
24 Roberta Burns

You do no favour to yourself and your reputation on these forums by insulting me.

I thought my thoughts were pondered and sane yet you - in your haughty and arrogant manner - deem to call me a "dimwit".

If YOU had half as many wits about you as I do you would still be a witless wonder.

Keep your vicious comments to yourself, you disgrace to this forum.
28

jerrymanders,

Read the stats; then make a decision. 27/01/2008 18:25:41
Oh FFS. Check the stats. A few kids caused nearly all of the crime. Journalistic cr@p.
29

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 27/01/2008 18:50:40
One in 10 children convicted by age 19.

If true its a sad and shockin statistic.
Suggest, Punish the parents not just the juvenile only.
GC
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#1
Dragonhead,
Dalian, China
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Hey Dude,

Ur at it again. You are so predictable dude , always ready to condemn others especially the Scots.
And all the while u live in the world's BIGGEST criminal nation CHINA.

Dude,
Look inside Ur own communist back yard: And U will find the following crimes perpetrated on the Chinese masses. by ur CCP.

Zero Tolerance for absolute FREE SPEECH. Where ZERO PERCENT of your fellow residents 1.3 billion Chinese, cannot speak freely, and is punished by imprison or execution.

Applying the mass crime of FORCED ABORTIONS done on young Chinese women (approx 7 million each year)

Ignoring the crime of SALVE LABOR practice, using young children and illiterate peasants in their millions.

Carrying out the EXECUTION of between 10,000 /15,000 of your citizens every year, for mostly petty crimes, or on protesters against Ur Communist Government..

On RELIGION; Your Chinese government relentlessly suppresses religious groups and persecuted many types of new religious and spiritual groups, including the Falun Gong.

Dude your Chinese Gov. CCP fears any national group that is capable of organizing its followers into direct action. And it stops them growing, by brutal means through the barrel of Ur communist guns.

One more thing Dude. Where is that REPORT on EXECUTIONS we asked you, for multiple times .

Afraid to ask for that report, are U dude.

GC
30

John Blackley,

Florida 27/01/2008 19:16:50
"McVie said the findings highlighted the need to keep young people out of the criminal justice system for as long as possible."

Wrong! Limp-wristed, muddle-headed, give-'em-all-a-hug-and-a-gold-star wrong!

Regardless of the 'cause' of child crime, any real increase in such crime is only exacerbated by the chldren's belief that they're beyond punishment.

A human animal, in it's youth, is exactly at the point in life where it needs to be taught limits and consequences. To teach it, at this age, that crime has little or no consequence is simply to create an adult that believes it will never be punished.

If the child's parents are incapable (as many appear to be) of creating an adult that will fit, peacefully, in society then take the child away from them and put them in jail for raising a threat to society. Place the child in a care facility (yes, I know, I know. Scarred for life, school for criminals, all that wet, lefty rubbish) to be taught societal standards until they are eighteen or judged fit to live among humanity - whichever comes last.
31

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 20:14:07
#29
'If YOU had half as many wits about you as I do you would still be a witless wonder.'

So, if you have 2 and I have 1, I'd still have 1 and, therefore, not witless.
But, if you have none and I have -1, that's makes 2 witless wonders. Have I got this right? How many wits do you have to not have to be witless?
32

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 20:21:28
#32
'A human animal, in it's youth, is exactly at the point in life where it needs to be taught limits and consequences. ...If the child's parents are incapable (as many appear to be) of creating an adult that will fit, peacefully, in society then take the child away from them and put them in jail for raising a threat to society. Place the child in a care facility (yes, I know, I know. Scarred for life, school for criminals, all that wet, lefty rubbish) to be taught societal standards until they are eighteen or judged fit to live among humanity - whichever comes last.'

If our society's leaders had the moral values that I taught my son, we would not be living in such a corrupt society. It is increasingly difficult for parents to teach their children right from wrong when all around them they see adults behaving terribly - from warmongering prime ministers, corrupt politicians, murderous police officers, drug-addled, overpaid celebrities etc.etc. Once they're out in the real world, their childish morals appear to have no place - it's more about survival now than ever before.
33

John Blackley,

Florida 27/01/2008 22:13:07
Roberta, #34: I agree with you. Now, what are your options?
34

Mike Ramey,

Indianapolis, Indiana USA 28/01/2008 00:37:27
As a Street Gang Specialist, let me asure you that a lot of juvenile crime DOES go into the 'warning' category. However, the concerning point of this article is how many schools and the like are having crimes take place BY Street Gangs and are NOT reporting the incidents, because the children/teens are their 'pets' or 'pals' rather than their students.

Here in the states, there is a LOT of denial about the growth of gang problems in the city streets, schools, courts...and EVEN in the churches. Only UNTIL the bodies are brought out are the citizens even TOLD that there are gang problems, in some cases. And whom do city officials 'send in' to 'explain' the high crime rate? Why, FORMER POLICE officers with 'gang experience' whom are always asking for more money for the 'local' cops...for enforcement.

One of the solutions is give parents the authority BACK to discipline their OWN children and teens. You can't have policies on the books saying that parents can't use corporal punishment or other discipline on their children; THEN the same government officials come back when the child is 19 and say..."Parent, your should have had a more active role...NOW we need your help!"

Government CAN NOT stop youth violence...without Parental Involvement.
35

I'mallymax,

feminist Scotls law. 28/01/2008 04:00:27
Sorry folks, as soon as I read #8, a copper, I knew right from the start this was it.

The crown prosecution, and the coppers are in bed togehter. They are both given 'absolution' from each other which means they are absolved of any, ANY wrong doing.

Have you seen the figures for crown prosecutions of coppers; it's only 1%.

Compare that with angiolini's pet hate, (men), rape/sexual assaults (of any nature), prosecutions are at 100%, even though public conviction levels are at 4%.

So what does this say to the average Scots person?

I'll tell you.
angiloini is a feminist that wants as many men in prison as she can get.

Also, women in Scotland are entitled to a new form of jurisprudence, it's called 'reduced legal capacity' (graham gerg, in the scotsman article), as far as angiolini is concerned.

Get this woman out of Scotland, and quick.

36

St. Helena,

Peebles 28/01/2008 05:50:55
The other 9 out of 10 just didn't get caught.
37

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/01/2008 11:22:29
33 Roberta Burns (your dragqueen name, perhaps?)

Do NOT try to use jesuitical casuistry (LOOK IT UP, DUMMY!) on me.

I am a past master at it although not RC but merely High Church Anglican. I have had some jesuits try to "convert" me but my arguments against such a radical path stumped even them.

Now, go back to your playpen and let the adults of the world get on with trying to promote peace and environmental sanity.
38

I'mallymax,

Orwellian nightmare; feminst Scots law. 29/01/2008 16:33:01
#1, dragonhead, are you elish angiolini?

 

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