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Published Date:
04 November 2007
A FRAGILE truce has been declared between bitter political enemies in the interests of bringing one of the world's most glittering sporting prizes to Scotland.
Glasgow will discover on Friday whether it has beaten Abuja, Nigeria, to the right to stage the 2014 Commonwealth Games, an event likely to transform the fortunes of the winning city.

SNP leader and First Minister Alex Salmond and the Labour lead
er of Glasgow City Council, Stephen Purcell, are temporarily setting aside their political differences to travel to Sri Lanka for the final vote.

The pair will work together on a last-minute effort to cajole the 71 voting nations into picking Glasgow for the 11-day event.

A 30-minute video narrated by Sir Sean Connery will provide the centrepiece of a final presentation to voters. The Commonwealth delegates have also received a personal letter from the star.

The pair's show of unity began on Friday when, at a joint briefing, Purcell said: "We are determined to leave no stone unturned. We are treating this as the last week of an election campaign.

"There are 71 voters who will vote [this] Friday in a secret ballot and we are determined there will be no complacency so we win the hearts and minds of every voter and strike gold for Glasgow."

Salmond added: "We usually fight election campaigns on different sides but this time we're treating it as a campaign. The voting delegates are our electorate and our approach is exactly as we would do - to treat it with infinite respect."

Going into the final week, Glasgow remains a clear odds-on favourite for victory. The Commonwealth Games Federation's Evaluation Committee gave a glowing report on the city's preparations in September. By contrast, they expressed concern about the readiness of Abuja's bid, pointing to a "lack of detailed planning".

However, African countries and others from the developing world are believed to be sympathetic to the idea of handing the Games to the continent.

Salmond admitted there was a strong "emotional argument" in favour of Abuja. He said Glasgow, as a result, had to show it had a "complete argument".

"We can't guarantee success and it would be very foolish for us to say that or to think that. This is a very real contest against a very strong competitor."

However, he said Glasgow should still win the support of some African countries.

"You would expect a number of the African countries to be supporting Nigeria and that is the case. We also believe that we will have substantial support from a number of African countries whose affinity to Scotland is great."

Purcell said the benefits of victory to Glasgow would be immense.

He said: "The Games will be a huge economic boost to the city but more importantly they will be a lasting legacy for the people of Glasgow, whether it is the Games village that will be converted to private and social housing in the east end of the city or the state-of-the-art leisure facilities next to the Clyde gateway."

Purcell pointed to the lasting legacy of the Games in Manchester, which hosted the event in 2002.

He said: "Still when you visit Manchester, there is a feeling that it made a difference. That is good for the wellbeing of the city. While we talk about the economic benefits - important as they are - you can't quantify what it will do to the way people feel about themselves and their future."

Salmond also defended the £100,000 cost of sending the delegation to Sri Lanka, saying: "Every single person going to Sri Lanka is going for a specific purpose and reason. The African delegation is likely to be substantially larger than ours."

Glasgow's final presentation will be given by Purcell, Salmond and Commonwealth Games council chair, Louise Martin.

The result will be announced at midday UK time. In Glasgow, an event will be staged on Friday to mark the occasion.

If Glasgow wins the bid, Hampden Park will be used as the main athletics venue. The opening ceremony will take place in Celtic Park, while the rugby sevens tournament will be at Ibrox, home of Rangers.

Some 80% of the facilities are already built, but the bid team plan to build a large athletes' village in the deprived east of the city, which would be converted after the games into a mix of private and social housing. It has been estimated that winning the Games would hand the country's economy a £100m boost.

The Games were last in Scotland in 1986 when Edinburgh hosted the event. It was marred by a boycott by African nations against the then prime minister Margaret Thatcher's attitude to South African sport and then had to be underwritten by the late Robert Maxwell because the Government refused to pick up the bill.



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04/11/2007 00:28:08
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Helen,

04/11/2007 00:56:06

How can we be remotely bothered about whether someone can run 100 metres a hundredth of a second faster than someone else, when there are people dying of poverty and preventable diseases every single day. We've got our financial priorities all wrong. Let's have an end to poverty, famine, homelessness and all other blights on society before we have so-called commonwealth games. If we could do the decent thing and abolish the monarchy we wouldn't need to have a commonwealth.

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Union mutt,

04/11/2007 01:00:16

"A 30-minute video narrated by Sir Sean Connery will provide the centrepiece of a final presentation to voters."
What to a majority onf non white audience who know nothing about 'Jimmy Bond' having a laugh are we.......

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bob smith,

glasgow 04/11/2007 01:59:16

HOW MANY MILLIONS FOR AN 11 DAY EVENT WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY. MAYBE WE SHOULD FOCUS ON STOPPING KNIFE CRIME IN GLASGOW WHILE OF PAVMENTS RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF MURDER VICTIMS

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 02:22:55

Hosting the Commonwealth Games does indeed have huge impact on a city's prosperity, adding world class facilities to be used by the citizens afterwards.
My feeling is that Africa will get the Games. A bit of background may be helpful here. In 2005 Canada opted for Halifax Nova Scotia as its contender for the 2014 Games despite the fact that the bid from Hamilton Ontario, where I live, (and where my pupils wrote letters of support for Hamilton's bid)was far superior. In 2003 Hamilton hosted the impeccably organized World Cycling Championships, thus proving it was equal to the task. The reasons were quite obvious; it was politically correct to give the nod to the generally depressed Maritime provinces (where Nova Scotia is situated) where an economic boost would be welcome, rather than the more prosperous Ontario. Months later, Halifax, the Canadian choice, dropped its bid, citing lack of preparation, planning, funds etc. Hamilton was denied the opportunity to be reconsidered.
There is no doubt that Glasgow would be better prepared than Abuja and I think that most athletes would feel a lot safer there, but I don't think that will happen.
However I hope I'm wrong and if I am, I'll be sure to post my response on Saturday! Good luck Glasgow.

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thomas,

midlothian 04/11/2007 02:26:42

interesting comments,none the less halifax withdrew because there were more important things to spend money on. most of the opinions seem to agree with this sentiment. wonder why? hope jack mcconnel does not pop up up as the team manager of abuja. what is nigeria famous for?

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 02:44:23

#6 - Thomas - It was the selection of the much weaker Halifax bid over that of Hamilton that was the faux pas on the part of Canada. There were two other bids, York region (northern suburbs of Toronto) and Ottawa, also very strong. If the heart of Halifax was not in its bid, it should not have entered the race. Organizers knew ahead of time what would be involved. That's why I think political expediency will give the nod to Nigeria.

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Continental,

04/11/2007 07:30:12

#1...it makes no difference if the UK status has change...Scotland competes as Scotland at the Commonwealth Games

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Boy Wonder,

04/11/2007 09:05:54

Well, Edinburgh's had the games twice in the last fifty years ... why not Glasgow?

Glasgow is like a sister to Edinburgh ... not a favourite one of course ... just never let it be said, we don't back up our poorer relations. :)

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eric,

lothian 04/11/2007 09:12:28

Edinburgh games were a shambles i remember ,But an effort i suppose,Remember Most folk in Edinburgh as Glasgow are struggling to make ends meet,You can window dress all you like thats a fact .At least Glasgow doesnt try to hide it.Good luck Glasgow at least they will get a genuine warm freinly welcome.

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House Prices for real,

04/11/2007 09:21:46

#10 yes with glasgow being the murder and knife capital of europe i'm sure most people will get a friendly welcome

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Liam,

04/11/2007 10:11:10

# 10 what utter garbage. Edinburgh is an extremely prosperous city, and Glasgow - while less so - still offers a good standard of living to the majority of its citizenry. The Edinburgh games were perfectly well organised and were good for Scotland, just as the Glasgow games will be if we're lucky enough to get them. And PLEASE, let's stop this garbage about any lack of a friendly welcome in Edinburgh, because it simply isn't true. I work in the tourism industry and if the people in Edinburgh were unwelcoming to their visitors then the city wouldn't be where it is today (second only to London in terms of visitors 'welcomed'). Glasgow is a friendly city, but please let's stop this paranoid, propogandistic nonsense about Edinburgh not being so.

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Graeme F,

04/11/2007 10:14:23

Suggest Eric from "Lothian" (10) needs a reality check. Glasgow can be as dangerous - and hostile - as the African nation it is competing with for this total and utter waste of taxpayers money. It's a shame he has to indulge in the usual anti-Edinburgh digs in order to promote his own city - is there nothing positive to say about the place without constantlt comparing it to its 'rival'??

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Suspicious?,

Glasgow 04/11/2007 10:24:10

The entire bid appears not to be based on sport but an ideal method by which Glasgow City Council can channel money to improve infrastructure to the area around Parkhead Stadium and promote their beloved Celtic football team and provide business to the select property developers who are also shareholders in CFC.

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Orlando,

04/11/2007 10:28:34

Quite right no. 14. Let's be under no illusion, politicians and vested business interests are very good at telling you that their spending lots of cash on a vanity project is "good" for the city or the country, but this will come with a massive price tag for the ordinary citizens and very few benefits. Let's remember that while we 'party' at the result next week. And it won't just be Scotland beyond Glasgow that will see none of the benefits - plenty in Glasgow itself will have little to cheer about.

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Navvy,

04/11/2007 11:38:54

will the admittedly small number of council tax payers cheer if Glasgow wins?

This as Edinburgh seeks to build houses on its Commonwealth Games stadium - Glasgow beware of the supposed benefits of hosting games

As for Helen, she is plain ignorant. The commonwealth has little to do with the monarchy and more to do with shared values. I doubt Helen knows that Madagascar is a member or that it was never a British colony

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Jeeemy,

Sunny Scotland 04/11/2007 11:57:56

No hang on a bit, I do believe that should the Games be awarded to Abuja, there will be a considerable reduction of people going there and that includes athletes. The relative sports Associations will not get insurance cover, therefore no participation.
So on Friday, a lot of organisers in Glasgow and surround participation partners will have to get their fingers out and sort out all the strife caused during the preparation of the bid by interfering politicos.
Then we may end up with complying with the terms and conditions of the bid which is legacy, something that is lacking with some sports venues at present proposed.

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 12:06:59

Helen; your comments are naive!

The sentiment is in the right place, the plea for a better world in terms of world hunger and poverty is noble, but as usual, your message is nonsense.

The Commonwealth games is an important sporting festival and it must be supported. Do you want us to stop living because others are in a less fortunate position? Should we ban the olympics and the football world cup because many mismanaged nations suffer at the hands of their inept leaders?

It is not the responsibility of the wealthy nations to support the not so wealthy.

Glasgow is Scotland's first city for Shopping, Music, Night Life, Restaurants, City Parks, Sporting Stadiums, Football and many other cultural experiences. As an Edinburgh man I am proud that our neighbours are about to win the right to host the Commonwealth games.

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Alannah,

04/11/2007 12:15:09

#17 - you are missing the point. In your haste to turn this into Glasgow v Edinburgh you're forgetting that Glasgow isn't comepting with other parts of Scotland, it's competing with an African nation which, in the scheme of things, is far more deserving of the games than Glasgow. It's simply time to take the games to the African continent - politically it's the right message.

On your last point, Edinburgh, not Glasgow, is reckoned to be better for restaurants/dining/pubs, so no idea where you got that from. Probably just in mid flow and decided to chuck something in that sounded vaguely plausible to yourself, but surprise surprise Glasgow isn't always number one in Scotland on a great many lists, you know!

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bus user,

edinburgh 04/11/2007 12:17:03

If the Games come, they will be a two-week wonder, then the East End will go back to what it has always been. Regenration schemes costing millions have come and gone and nothing's changed. Mind you, this time Celtic will get some free facilities out of the spending, and maybe a subway line too, so they can be the same as the other mob.
Manchester didn't benefit from the Commonwelath Games and London's East End won't from the Olympics. It's a myth that justifies huge spending on one-use-only infrastructure. Barcelona's Olympic Park is full of arenas and stadia that are not used. The city did get a beach out of the Games though, and their Olympic Village was two tower blocks right on that beach, one of which is now an upmarket hotel and the other expensive offices. Haven't seen those in the Glasgow plans. Manchester was on the way up economically anyway. Both the Mancs and Liverpool (another regeneration junkie town) have gun and drug crime like Glasgow and spending money on physical regeneration hasn't changed the people of Toxteth, Hulme or Moss Side that much, unless all the recent news stories are just made up to show those cities in a bad light. So, let's have a two week interlude of Glasgow being world famous in Parkead Cross and then let's get back to reality.

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Faustus,

04/11/2007 12:20:00

Gordon Brown: "The 2012 Olympics are good for London and good for the United Kingdom".

Alex Salmond: "The 2014 Commonwealth Games will be good for Glasgow and good for Scotland".

Alex Salmond = Scotland's Gordon Brown.

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Jambo Number 1,

04/11/2007 12:52:18

#17

you again display your disgusting belligerent and factious attitude to this subject.

Your lists of "Glasgow is better than Edinburgh because" - which you post in every article which appears on the subject of the Commonwealth games is not only completely irrelevant but also normally factually incorrect.

Your general attitude and your politics are of the very worst and most vile kind imaginable.

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 13:09:12

Allanah:

Firstly; the Glasgow vs Edinburgh nonsense is something that exists in your mind. If it didn't you would not have raised it.

I am proud of Edinburgh, she is my home city and one that I will forever view as the greatest city in the world. A bit bias perhaps, but then I am allowed to be bias, its my right.

All that aside, my love for Edinburgh is not as true as my passion for Scotland, and Glasgow being our biggest city receives my backing for anything she or any other Scottish city try to achieve.

Glasgow IS first for the things I mentioned, to debate that would be daft. Her sheer size offers her the chance to succeed in certain areas, where our smaller cities cant.

And pray tell me why it is that you see an African nation as more deserving than Scotland to host these games. Is it because they are poor? Is it because they are not as advanced? Is it because they are hungrier?

What has Africa done that Scotland has not, that makes them more deserving? What has Africa achieved that Scotland has not, that makes them more deserving? What has Africa offered the rest of the world that Scotland has not that makes them more deserving?

Pray tell

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 13:14:26

.......And here was I thinking this article was about the awarding the choice of a site for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.....when it really is all about Edinburgh-Glasgow rivalry. I should have known better. Me, I'm strictly neutral - born in Glasgow, went to school in Edinburgh, now living far from both!

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 13:15:52

#22 Jambo Number 1

The fundamental differences between you and I is this.

I am proud of Edinburgh and happy to see Glasgow do well. I support Scotland in all that she does, but I dont begrudge England any success she achieves.

I am not small minded and blinkered and I dont refer to Glaswegians as "weegies"

I am happy that Scotland is about to receive these games, who wouldnt be.

You appear to be upset because Glasgow is in the running, and that bothers you because you cant handle to see them do well. You just dont like them, youre a separatist.

How on Earth can Glasgow's bid to host the games NOT receive the full backing of all British people?

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Kobi,

04/11/2007 13:25:45

#12


"The Edinburgh games were perfectly well organised"

If you are talking about the 1986 games, then as you put it, what utter garbage.

The organising (sic) committee put in an unrealistic bid, without having secured the agreememt of the key partners in the city necessary. They assumed that the government would provide loads of dosh without having any agreement to that effect. They decided to proceed regardless, and then had to rely on promises from Robert Maxwell to bail them out, to allow the games to go ahead. Maxwell got millions worth of publicity for his tawdry rags ("Real F***wits Read the Record"), and never ponied up a single penny. Lots of suppliers to the games were shafted, and bodies like the University (and its students), which provided much of the facilities ended up paying for a large chunk of the games.

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Helen,

04/11/2007 13:58:15

Media 1, I am far from naive and I don't talk half as much nonsense as you. I have lived and worked in a developing country and have seen real poverty and suffering first hand. We all need to do something practical to eradicate world poverty, Then we can put on world wide sporting performances with a clear conscience.

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jim jones,

guyana 04/11/2007 14:11:59

Helen number 7 . Halifax the canadian domestic bid most likely because of former prime minister Paul Martins hand to provide Abuja with the weakest candidate city in Canada. Paul Martin has had a desire since he was a teen to promoting africa and african development. In December 2003 Nigeria's former president Obasanjo hosted the bi annual commonwealth neads of state meeting which Jean Chretien and Paul Martin probably attended. Obasanjo made the announcement that Abuja would indeed bid on the 2014 commonwealth games marking the 100th annaversery of Nigeria. Martin say on the ground the newly minted venues including Abuja National Stadium that two months before hosted the All-African Games. When the commonwealth heads of state meeting came to Valletta, Malta Paul Martin stood up the bi annual meeting to the great despair of the rest of the commonwealth. The Commonwealth games Federation also attends those meetings. Canada's commitment to the commonwealth was questioned widely .
With A domestic Bid that included Calgary that has the mind trust of the Calgary 1988 olympics a highly profitable venture. Calgary pulled out siting too many questions about revenues and costs.
Alberta could afford all the commonwealth gmaes combined since Kuala Lumpar but say the thrust of
Mr. Martins quest to provide the weakest link that would bleed white votes and an Anti developing vote between two white nation candidates. Hamilton would have provided a competitor with clout as would Calgary. Martin Also picked up political capital in Halifax thought not enough to win the next federal election . He knew Stephen Harper would undermine the bid.
OH by the way Helen Google Abuja and Abuja sports venues and you will see what is the real truth on that city not that narrow white view of Africa the backward

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 14:29:52

Thank you #28 for this information. If this was actually the case, Hamilton Ont was naive not to have realized it was being duped! Oh well, at least my pupils got some terrific writing experience out of it!
I was in China in 2001 when the 2008 Olympics was awarded to Beijing. One of the strongest bids was from......Toronto! At least we've got Vancouver 2010 to look forward to!

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 14:44:20

Helen:

So in essence what you are saying is that Africa should get the games because she is poor, developing and backward?

Africa does not deserve these games. Maybe Africa should concentrate on paying back all the hand outs she has had over the decades as opposed to hosting these games.

You see, it works both ways.

Why should Scotland suffer because of Africa's downtrodden status?

If Africa is poor and under nourished then maybe their leaders should begin performing mature and democratic governance. Maybe their leaders should condenm Mugabe instead of supporting him, maybe they should begind growing and nurturing their economies as opposed to destroying them.

I want Scotland to win this bid because Scotland is more deserving.

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Alannah,

04/11/2007 15:19:01

#25: "How on Earth can Glasgow's bid to host the games NOT receive the full backing of all British people?"

The answer to that is perfectly easily. After all, many in Scotland did not support the England rugby team against South Africa recently, and probably didn't back the London Olympic bid either. I think it's niaive of you to think we can all be rallied together under a single banner.

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Jambo Number 1,

04/11/2007 15:38:09

Helen,

You are quite correct, Media 1 does talk a lot of unadulterated nonsense.

He brings argument where there is none and his policitcal view point ("fire and brimstone" Unionism) would be more suited in Carrickfergus than Cape town.

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Ms Fiona,

04/11/2007 15:42:18

#11 Hey you, come here and say that ! It is not in our interests to knife visitors. We only knife each other.

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AberdeenTom,

04/11/2007 15:55:21

(#24) You're right, no surprises here. It's a pity when a small minority of Glaswegians start going on an imperialistic rant about how massively superior they are to everyone else in Scotland. Truth is that people like me in Aberdeen, and others across Scotland, will be funding this extravagant nonsense and getting NONE of the benefits. Well, that's the story of modern day Scotland. The Glasgow lobby uses smoke and noise to try to make out that Edinburgh is somehow the 'drain' on Scotland, but the truth is that cities like Edinburgh and Aberdeen are successful and largely self sufficient. We're all simply working to throw money at the disgrace of Scotland - Glasgow - which doesn't have the means or inclination to look after itself. Shame.

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Graeme F,

04/11/2007 16:35:24

Halifax, Nova Scotia, had the right idea when it dropped out of the running earlier in the year, due the wisdom of its bid team in realising that the costs are going to spiral out of control ... do we really want that in Scotland for an event that will barely last a fortnight?

Isn't it time we started investing for the long term in Scotland instead of blowing the budget on a pointless party?

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 16:44:15

#35 Aberdeen Tom

It is people like you who will destroy Scotland.

Aberdeen, a tiny wee city in the North East is quite nice. The people for the most part are tremendous, the neds a bit of a problem, but the general buzz about the place is great....Edinburgh, SCOTLAND'S CAPITAL and without doubt the most glorious and historic of ALL our cities. Edinburgh IS SCOTLAND, she is majestic in her beauty, she is historical beyond belief and our most visited city. Glasgow is our biggest city, she is also the city that created much of the wealth we all enjoy today. She was the place that fed almost all of our grandfathers through some form of business related to the shipping industry. She has two very famous football teams and a proud history. Glasgow is also good for shopping and nightlife, music and other arts. The art galleries and the Glasgow University buildings are mind blowing, its a great place.

Dundee and Inverness have much to offer as well. All our cities have their own special place in the overall success of our small nation, and all of them should be celebrated as Scottish wonders.

But you are a seperatist at heart. You probably see Scottish oil as Aberdeens oil...Then again, YOU would!!!!!

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AberdeenTom,

04/11/2007 16:54:50

Media1 (37) you have a peculiarly Glaswegian habit of denigrating anywhere else in Scotland as being "tiny wee". This city is big in stature and in heart, and can compete with the best of them, I'll have you know. The ned problem is no worse here than anywhere else in Scotland, and certainly nowhere near as bad as the problem in the "largest city". Glasgow's "wealth" is very much historic - of the Victorian era - but these days she relies on handouts and the stronger and more affluent oil economy of Aberdeen and the financial/banking economy of Edinburgh to keep her afloat. And believe me, there is plenty good shopping, footie and nightlife in Aberdeen - and Edinburgh for that matter - just as there is in Glasgow. It's not a numbers game, it's about what you do with what you have, and I won't ever hear anyone say that it's only Glasgow that can deliver on all the good points you have mentioned.

I'm a Scotsman, and proud, but I naturally distrust anyone who waves a 'city flag' at me and tells me I should back something which I see as a massive waste of taxpayer money for the alleged benefit of "Scotland". As an African perhaps you should be backing the bid to bring the games to your own continent for the first time ... then again, South Africa is a very different place to Nigeria, isn't it?

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jim jones,

guyana 04/11/2007 17:01:10

helen 29 think about it . Sheilla Copps lead the delegation for Hamilton 2010 to Kingston, Jamaica.
Sheilla was ousted by Paul Martins Candidate Tony Valeri for the Nomination for the Liberals. Jagoda Pike complained bitterly about the winning of the Bid by new Delhi over Hamilton . Ron joyce and local business men provided a new state of the art feild hockey stadium in hamilton between the 2010 and 2014 bids while halifax dusted off the 2010 domestic bid and won over hamilton not building a single new venue in support of that prior failed domestic Bid.
Paul Martins finger prints were all over this for more reasons then sentiment to Africa. He paid back Sheilla Copps by relieving Hamilton of a pet project she was involved in.
The same agruments about Beijing where made in regards to human rights and other issues and they won over Toronto in 2001. Toronto had the highest scores for venues in that evaluation report.
It was Mayor Lastmans mouth that sealed the deal for Developing world to choice China .
The same thing is registered in the minds of Caribbean and Africa voters ,who combined would be one short of a majority if casted for the same bid, with the Words in May of Scottish Soccer executive John Mc Beth vying for a position in Fifa.
Remarks about african and caribbean Fifa officials being Greedy does not help Glasgows cause.


The Developing world is not longer afraid to express their majority holding of votes in these bids. That was apparent with Kuala Lumpar over Adelaide and New Delhi over Hamilton . Political Capitals win over commercial centres much of the time and Los Angeles for the Olympics never won in 7 attempts with Political Capital cities winning many of the times.
As to Media 1 . Well Nigeria is in position to be envied in Capetown. THe country retired 80 percent of their foreign debts in 2006 and how sit on more foreign reserves then they did prior to paying off the London and Paris club

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jim jones,

guyana 04/11/2007 17:13:09

Aberdeen Tom Who knows Glasgow may come down to earth on Friday . If you go to Lost Glasgow.com
and to their news section it seems they have a report their of the reserving of the domain names
glasgow2018.org glasgow2018.uk.org glasgow2018.com and glasgow2018.uk.com

Reasoning the Glasgow people in the know may believe Abuja will take this and they are preparing for a run for the 2018 games.

Does someone from LostGlasgow have some inside the council information because of employees not liking what is going on with public assets in regards to Glasgow ?
Could be .

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 17:23:37

Aberdeen Tom

I can understand your patriotism for Aberdeen. In my eyes no city on the planet compares with Edinburgh.

But I can appreciate that other cities in Scotland are just as important. I dont share your view that Glasgow survives on hand outs, that is a nonsense fabricated by people who cant stand seeing Glasgow succeed.

I on the otherhand like it when Scottish cities succeed. I like that the whole world might be focussing their attention on Scotland for two weeks. I like that the images of our great nation will entice people to visit Scotland. I like that Scotland will be the centre of attention for a fortnight. I like that people from all over the world will be spending countless MILLIONS in Scotland...Your problem is more sinister though. To you, its not about Scotland, its about Glasgow hosting something that Aberdeen could not. And that level of thinking is disturbing to say the least.

Yes I may live in AFRICA, but fortunately I am in a country in which the European influence has operated to create a truly marvellous economy and infrastructure. That aside, Africa, even SA does not deserve the Commonwealth games or the World Cup for that matter....

You need to earn these things, not just receive them based on sad stories and an inability to progress...Scotland will be the best possible host for these games.

You dont have to like athletics, but why look for problems where no problem exist?

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busbyfh,

The realm of reality 04/11/2007 17:26:48

Edinburgh got the games twice with local coulcils and local rate payer stumping up for most of the cacash/losses.
Glasgow is being aided by the whole of Scotland with the country footing the bills - WHY ?

Glasgow scores with the expenditure while other Scottish places will gain not a penny. This is wrong - Nigeria would be better for the games.

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busbyfh,

The realm of reality 04/11/2007 17:29:11

Are the Commonwealth games not a pathetic attempt to "remember" imperial Britain ?
Micky Mouse should sponsor the pathetic competitions as it is seen as of even less importance than the Scottish League Cup.

Basically - Who cares ?

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 17:31:59

Busbyfh:

Whats your IQ?

Forget that its in Glasgow. Its SCOTLAND where the games are being held that counts. Why must the norm in Scotland be hatred, dislike, distrust, envy and petty rivalries that do nothing to assist Scotland.

If its not England, its looking for reasons to hate other people from other cities within Scotland. No wonder I am against independence!

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AberdeenTom,

04/11/2007 17:32:09

#41, I would politely ask you not to speculate on my motives, as I have made my position quite clear. I am not in favour of ANYWHERE in Scotland hosting these Games, and yes even if Aberdeen were in the running I would take the same view. They are wasteful of public money and cannot be justified when our new government is axing public transport links and various other investment programmes left, right and centre. Glasgow needs to have money thrown into its schools and hospitals, not its sports arenas. We need to define our priorities more clearly, and my objection to the games has NOTHING to do with them being based in Glasgow instead of Aberdeen. I would therefore politely ask you to withdraw your accusation as I have made my position very clear, just as you have yours in respect of Africa and the Games. I'm as happy as anyone to see Glasgow succeed but the reality is that it is an 'assisted-area' and has disproportionate levels of government and EU money spent on it compared to the rest of Scotland. I'm afraid that IS a fact, and one you would perhaps be more away of if you lived here in Scotland, my Cape Town friend.

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Alannah,

04/11/2007 17:35:49

#44: "Forget that its in Glasgow. Its SCOTLAND where the games are being held that counts."

Er, no, it's GLASGOW where the Games are being held. The Glasgow Cooncil actually threw a hissy fit when it was suggested that other cities and towns in Scotland could be involved, and made it perfectly clear all the activities were to happen in Glasgow and nowhere else, so please don't feed us that line about it being "Scotland's" bid because it blatantly isn't.

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 17:37:43

#40 Jim Jones Guyana. Wow, you do know a lot about Canadian politics! Guyana is obviously not your only home!
I stiil say Nigeria get the Games!

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Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/11/2007 17:38:42

Oops, that should be "Nigeria will get the Games" although I hope that's not the case!

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Faustus,

04/11/2007 17:39:06

Alannah (46), you're quite right. It is only "Scotland's" bid on the basis that taxpayers throughout Scotland will be footing the bill, but won't be seeing any of the 'investment', except on their TV screens. The London olympics is being sold to us on much the same basis, and Salmond has the same hollow ring to his rhetoric as Gordon Brown does.

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Media 1,

cape town 04/11/2007 18:42:50

#46 Alannah:

Typical.. I bet your an SNP supporter! I would very surprised if you were not.

You drum the same old noise, its just the places that differ. If it isnt England youre hurling abuse at due to inferiority complexities, its any other city in Scotland that appears to be honing on any sort of success. God help us if we ever gain independence, the internal fighting, petty disputes and childish jealousy is pathetic to say the least.

I cant think of another country in the world that fights amongst itself as often or as venemously as Scotland. It is sad to say the least.

I say " Go for it Glasgow, do it for Scotland"

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Kobi,

04/11/2007 19:00:01

#39

"which resulted in Robert Maxwell having to pick up 5 million pounds because the Scots refused to pay the deficit"

At the end of the day Maxwell did not actually cough up a penny.

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Rols,

Sydney 04/11/2007 22:00:47

#39
"Johannasburg was to originally host the 1934 games but was prevented by Apartheid. London hosted that year. "
_ Funny that, considering apartheid wasn't introduced till 1948. I guess they could see the future in 1934.
Do the Abuja team think they're getting their money's worth from you Jim?

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jim jones,

guyana 04/11/2007 22:03:50

Helene think about this with Nigeria. since 1999 and Obasanjo they have been the peace broker that has stablized their West African region . They also unlike Canada and the UK have troops trying to keep peace in Danfur to end the genocide. Nigeria does not have any troops occupying land in IRAQ or Afganistan unlike Canada with Afganistan and THE UK in Iraq and Afganistan.
The Diplomat who was sent to Myanmar to try to resolve things there a Nigerian. The president of the WWF a Nigerian. First African to win a Nobel prize in literature A Nigerian. These people are not dumb and actually have contributed much to many places in Diaspora.

Who will the Muslin nations of Pakistan, Maldives , Brunei, Bangaldesh, Sri Lanka and Malaysia vote for?
Certainly not the place of the Scots Guards but the place with the largest population of Muslims on the Africa continent you quessed it Nigeria. 40 percent Muslim population in Nigeria. a better place to send Muslim athletes considering the atmosphere in the UK.
My gut feeling is 50 to 21 in favor of Abuja by what New Delhi did to Hamilton in 2003 it was 46 to 22.
simple math
Carribbean 15 Africa 18 . Asia 6 out of 8 , Europe 4 out of ten Americas 5 out of 6 Oceania could split their total votes and be 7 for a total of 55 votes. I can see a swept in Asia and even the Americas with Canada being accused of dirty tricks by the scots in the Halifax bid. Payback is hard when you cry about your former opponents.

The Evaluation report will be disregarded for Politics.
Mike Hooper the Ceo of the Federation even said that.
Glasgow is going to get tarred and if you go to the lost Glasgow site you can see they have a feeling they will with the alleged registry of Glasgow 2018 domain names . The Evaluation Report a feel good to have Glasgow make a run at 2018 with no African Candidate city.

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Rols,

Sydney 05/11/2007 00:48:29

#47 Helene
"Jim Jones Guyana. Wow, you do know a lot about Canadian politics! Guyana is obviously not your only home!"
Didn't you realise he's a fellow countryman of yours _ New Glasgow NS, actually.
But he was treated to an all-expenses-paid trip to Abuja courtesy of their bid committee. His end of the bargain has been to spread mayhem on the internet and be their "plausibly deniable" attack dog.

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Helene,

05/11/2007 01:02:38

Hilarious! Jim Jones Guyana........has a somewhat deathly ring to it!!

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Daudi Kengele,

Note on "Jim Jones" 05/11/2007 06:16:13

The "Jim Jones" from "Guyana" (yes, nice choice)
is actually a 42 year old Canadian named Paul Taylor who still lives with his parents in the town of New Glasgow, Nova Scotia.

Paul had never heard of the city of Abuja, Nigeria four years ago when the African Games were held there (in substantial dissarray according to several Nigerian newspapers)

Paul is part of a group of Nova Scotians who felt it was better for Halifax not to hold the games. While I agree with their democratic rights of expression, and a few of their arguments, they and Paul in particular, have been remiss in many of his facts. After the demise of the Halifax bid, Paul took it upon himself to singlehandedly go after Glasgow by supporting the African bid.

A simple web search on any of the key terms will show the development of mr. Taylors arguments over the past several months.

Abuja adopted him as their online ambassador, (even paying for a trip to Abuja forPaul) which is more evidence for the lack of understanding of just how and what it takes to win the bid from that side of the aisle.

Glasgows bid has been superior from the beginning, and the reports have rated it as such.

Paul chooses to blindly ignore the evidence of history as it relates to the hosting of the 2003 African Games, and he is aware of that, but his blind emotion refuses to allow him to admit anything positive regarding the Glasgow bid, and he refuses to admit his bias by not giving Glasgow the courtesy of a visit.

As a very long time supprter of African sport, I havve long campaigned for African counties to host major sporting events, including Olympic and Commonwealth Games. I was an ardent supporter of Abuja, prior to the 2003 African Games, a games that were an organizational disaster on a level that is difficult to imagine. At that point, Abuja (the centennial argument and Africa deserves it argument asside) proved that they were not yet capable

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Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/11/2007 11:33:40

#57 I have noticed this aswell, particulary on a forum on glasgow architecture which doesnt even mention the games, just regeneration of the city.

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Declan,

Glasgow 05/11/2007 13:34:24

I nearly fell asleep reading all the guff postings above. It is amazing how practically any positive mention of Glasgow on the Scotsman website ends in pathetic tit-for-tat backstabbing on these message boards.

Time for most of the above to grow up!

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Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/11/2007 14:17:55

#59 Probably easier if this paper was just renamed the Little Edinburgher or the 2 mins of hate which refects most of its views and most of its posters, if these boards are anything to go buy.

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jim jones,

guyana 05/11/2007 22:03:41

56 hey deserving of Merit ? When did Glasgow ever Gain any moral capital equaling Merit . Oh I forgot
They had an exhibition on Glasgow past in Slavery a couple of months ago LOL. Yeah lets send the youth of the Caribbean to Glasgow Scotland to show the route their ancestors took on the way to the new world.


 

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