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Published Date:
03 September 2006
SCOTLAND'S leading history teachers have drawn up a radical blueprint that will transform how the subject is taught in the nation's schools.
Children will learn about the past from nursery onwards in a bid to address the "educational scandal" that has seen teaching time for history cut and classes scrapped.

Under the new Scottish history curriculum, pupils will be taught major dates and events in their local areas before studying the Wars of Independence, epitomised by William Wallace and Robert the Bruce, the Highland Clearances, the Scottish Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution and the two world wars.

Last night the scheme won backing from the country's leading historians, including Professor Tom Devine, holder of the Sir William Fraser Chair of Scottish History at the University of Edinburgh.

The best-selling author of The Scottish Nation said the proposals could end the "anarchic vacuum" of history teaching in schools, replacing it with a chronological structure allowing pupils to properly understand Scotland's development and place in the world.

The new syllabus, which has been drawn up by the Scottish Association of Teachers of History (SATH), follows widespread concern that the subject will be downgraded as part of the Executive's ongoing "Curriculum for Excellence" review.

A row erupted last year following comments made by Peter Peacock, the education minister, which seemed to suggest that history might not remain a stand-alone subject in the first two years of secondary school. He has since stated that it is "absolutely clear" that history will remain as a subject in schools, but could also be taught in other lessons.

However, Scottish history teachers are unwilling to leave the matter to chance and have drawn up their own manifesto for change.

David Armstrong, the president of SATH and principal history teacher at West Calder High School, said: "The statements made last year by Peter Peacock really were quite worrying and the Curriculum for Excellence has not yet defined history's future as a distinct subject. We wanted something down on paper so that they know where we are coming from."

Tom Monaghan, the SATH secretary, added: "If Peter Peacock hadn't said what he said, this wouldn't have happened but these ideas have been floating around for years and it has forced us to act.

"This is only the first step in ensuring a new history syllabus but we are determined to safeguard the subject.

"In many ways we are now acting like a pressure group to ensure the best outcome."

At the moment, teachers are free to decide what history is taught, and subjects studied can vary from school to school.

However, the new syllabus, titled: History and a Curriculum for Excellence, lays down a detailed series of the historic events that children should study and when. For example, local history will dominate schooling until the end of Primary Three, with the next two years being used to learn about the "Making of the Scottish Nation".

Primary Six will focus on the religious upheaval caused by the Reformation, and later the Act of Union with England (1707). The last year of primary school will be dominated by the Highland Clearances but also see pupils learning about the Enlightenment, including the Scottish economist Adam Smith and the philosopher David Hume, in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

The plans are to be distributed to history teachers this week and discussed in full at the SATH conference on November 25.

However, a "considerable investment of resources" and teacher retraining will be needed if the programme is ever to see the light of day. Monaghan said: "Money will be needed to make this happen and we will make that clear to the Executive."

The new curriculum plans were written by Peter Hillis, professor of history education at the University of Strathclyde.

He said: "We have taken a chronological approach so that children can learn the unfolding story of Scotland's history. It will take time and there will be changes along the way but it is a structured syllabus which can form the bedrock of history teaching under the Curriculum for Excellence."

Devine, who labelled shortfalls in history teaching at school "an educational scandal" last year, and sent his own proposals for reform to the Executive this year, said: "I am delighted at this development. For the first time since the Education Act of 1872 there could be a coherent approach to the teaching of Scottish history. It will get rid of the weaknesses of the anarchic pop-up approach, where pupils dip in and dip out of topics, often repeating the same subjects. The syllabus is progressive and, just as importantly, it is in no way parochial. It is as near as damn a solution as can be found."

Louise Yeoman, historian and author of Reportage Scotland: History In The Making, said: "It is a tremendous syllabus and it pushes all the right buttons."

An Executive spokeswoman said: "We have been working closely with SATH on the development of a new Curriculum for Excellence. This paper is a useful contribution to the review and we will continue our dialogue with history teachers as detailed plans are developed over the coming months."

Fiona Hyslop, the SNP's education spokeswoman, gave the party's full backing to the syllabus. She said: "These proposals are far more than 'useful', they offer a serious and constructive change in how Scottish history is taught at school. We would put it centre stage in the curriculum to give confidence to children about where they come from. The government should grasp the thistle and take these proposals extremely seriously."

However, Professor Allan Macinnes, the Burnett-Fletcher professor of history at the University of Aberdeen, argued that teachers would need considerable retraining.

He said: "There has to be a willingness among staff to get out of the comfort zone of the Second World War and appeasement. The biggest stumbling block will be the teachers themselves."

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  • Last Updated: 02 September 2006 8:17 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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Scottish Unionist,

03/09/2006 03:08:31

Anything before the Union of Crowns is backward and unimportant

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Guga,

Rockall 03/09/2006 04:34:52

History has never been given the importance it deserves in Scottish schools. It tends to be limited, by some, to the foolish assumption that anything before the union of the crowns is unimportant.

When I was at school, which wasn't yesterday, the history we were taught was, by and large, English history. We were left in ignorance of Scotland's history. We learned, for example, all about some regional, minor English king that burned some cakes, but nothing about Nechtan the Great. In addition, we were also brainwashed about the "great British Empire", including waving union flags on "Empire Day", and similar.

Scottish history teaching in schools should encompass the total history of the country, from the so called "Beaker People" onwards, through the Picts and the Scots, through all the wars with the assorted foreign invaders, to the tragedy of the sell out of Scotland in 1707 (We're bought and sold for English gold). All that before moving onwards to Scotland in the present day.

The lack of knowledge among the Scottish people about their own history is sad, and is a result of the failure of the education system - a system largely contrived by an English desire, since 1746, to subvert the Scots into being peaceful, loyal little lap dogs.

Any people who ignore their history, language and culture are doomed to fade into obscurity and disappear from history altogether. We will, like the Picts, only be remembered by Archeologists and the like, and become a footnote to "English" history.

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AZ AMMO MAN,

Peoria, AZ USA 03/09/2006 05:05:43

Scottish history sholud be taught in Scotland. The sons and daughters of Scotland who are scattered around the world know more Scot history than those living in Scotland. My great great grandfather was transported by the English after Culloden. I am Scot first, mixed with both German and Cuban blood. I am proud of my Clan Mackintosh heritage and celebrate my ties to Scotland. We visited relatives in Scotland last year and they were amazed at how much of Scottish history we knew. I am active in the Celtic Festivals and Highland Games in the Southwest. I also belong to The Scottish American Military Society which is a war veterans group whose history is rooted in The Battle of Kings Mountain, October 1780, during our Revoluntionary War, where American Patriots defeated British troops and loyalists under the command of Lt. Col. Ferguson, a Highland Scot who was on the wrong side. He paid with his life for this mistake! We provide the Color Guard at the games and also escort The McBain of McBain who resides in Tucson, AZ. Let the children of Scotland learn their heritage and be proud. Displaced Scots have contributed much to the modern world we live in. I recommend the book "How Scots Invented The Modern World" by Arthur Herman. This is the true story of how Western Europe's poorest nation created our world and everything in it.

Loch Moigh! Yours aye, Rich

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employer,

glasgow 03/09/2006 06:37:26

Good lets teach the Children Scottish history, but not the Hollywood version. When they teach about the clearances let us point out that the landlords who ordered it were Scots. When we talk of Culloden let us point out that the Kings army that crushed the Highlanders was principally made up of Scots. Let us teach the Children a history that includes the failed Scottish invasions of England (Like the one by the Bruce’s son which ended at Durham with the Scottish Kings capture.) Then maybe they will stop seeing Scotland as victim and understand better their relationship with the Big Yin to the South.
PS #3 if you’re great great Grandfather was transport from the United Kingdom for anything to do with the 45 then you come from a very long lived family. Or you missed out a few greats. As for calling yourself a Scot then I would say I'm a Viking, or a French man, when in fact I'm a Yorkshireman. I was born there; you were born in the USA so guess what you’re American, not Scottish.

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radge dug,

03/09/2006 08:14:02

You might find that Gaelic medium schoolkids have a greater grasp of our history than their monoglot counterparts. There may be various reasons for this but a knowledge of, and fluency in, Gaelic is invaluable if we are to truely understand the roots of our nation. Gaelic is/was not the only tongue to shape our nation but is the oldest still in existance and whose influence can be found from the Borders to the Faroes and Iceland (courtesy of travelling monks and Gaelic speaking slave captured by Vikings).

More widespread teaching of Gaelic is the basis for a better understanding of our history. If you disagree, try it and see.

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wayne bijlyeerheid,

03/09/2006 08:33:16

At last maybe we'll be able to expound our own history.
I hope not just from the Wars of Independence, but the era of the Caledonians, denigrated by the name "Picts", the battle of Nechtansmere that halted the spread north of the Anglo-Saxons was one of the most important ever fought on this island and without which the modern country of Scotland would not exist.
Hopefully we could also look at the reclamation as Scots, of Columba and the early Gaidelic Christian missionaries, for too long we've allowed them to be described anachronistically as "Irish", a term no contemporary used and which never came into use until the 11th century.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 03/09/2006 08:39:43

Good news - the teaching of history should be encouraged in schools - "Those who cannot learn from history are condemned to repeat it".

Maybe Guga in Rockall would care to join a history course about the events leading up to and after the Jacobite Rising which culminated in the Battle of Culloden. He may also learn how the Lowland Scots at that time viewed the Highlanders as a savage race seperate to them. The eventual outcome of Culloden was a united Scotland.

The history of these islands is welded together - there were good and bad living then as there are now. Paint the English as the villians if you want but perhaps it would be better to study the history in more depth and not through rose coloured spectacles.

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JANIS,

London 03/09/2006 09:05:37

Hi Anna..... this is going to be a good one again, it`ll run and run !!

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wayne bijlyeerheid,

03/09/2006 10:42:00

Anna of Cambridgeshire/yorksireman
I don't see anyone "painting the English as villains" and I don't see what you have to fear from Scots learning their own history instead of other peoples' versions of it.
In fact, a holistic knowledge of British history would probably do English people some good, they could learn first that they were 5th incomers who dispossed the Romano-Britons from the old Roman provinces, and in their turn were conquered first by the Danes, King Knut, Harald etc and then they were over run by the Normans, claiming the Danish right to govern "England", in the 11th century.
You could then point out it was the oppressors of the English, not them, who waged the wars against the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
However, if you would rather keep up the image of the "English" as some sort of master military race overlording this island, then yes, you're probably right, only the Simon Scharma school of history will do.

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wayne bijlyeerheid,

03/09/2006 10:42:45

Anna of Cambridgeshire/yorksireman
I don't see anyone "painting the English as villains" and I don't see what you have to fear from Scots learning their own history instead of other peoples' versions of it.
In fact, a holistic knowledge of British history would probably do English people some good, they could learn first that they were 5th century incomers who dispossed the Romano-Britons from the old Roman provinces, and in their turn were conquered first by the Danes, King Knut, Harald etc and then they were over run by the Normans, claiming the Danish right to govern "England", in the 11th century.
You could then point out it was the oppressors of the English, not them, who waged the wars against the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
However, if you would rather keep up the image of the "English" as some sort of master military race overlording this island, then yes, you're probably right, only the Simon Scharma school of history will do.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 03/09/2006 11:16:32

William, I'm sorry but I do not see in my post where I have mentioned, in your words, "However, if you would rather keep up the image of the "English" as some sort of master military race overlording this island, "

You are being rather silly and manipulating my post to say something that it does not. All history should be studied in an objective manner and viewed from all sides. I am only too well aware that both the Scots and the English lower classes were both, through long centuries, servile to the whims and empire building of the ruling classes. I would guess from your post that you live in the USA is that correct? I find the history of the US fascinating as well particularly the American Civil War. Tempting as it may be to take the more romantic side of the Confederacy (a la Gone with The Wind) I try to study it in a more objective manner that that. I would urge you to do the same when studying the history of these countries - the Scottish may seem the more romantic and the English the oppressors but our history is not as one sided or as simple as that.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 03/09/2006 11:41:21

William, Guga & Richard

You may be interested in this extract:

"The Jacobite struggle has been romanticised ever since and helped create the image of the Highlander as the loyal and brave soldier. Much of the romanticisation of the Jacobite uprisings especially in 1745 is unjustified. There are several misconceptions surrounding this area of history. Firstly the Jacobite cause was not about Scotland versus England there were people of each nationality on either side. Secondly Bonnie Prince Charlie, although highly charismatic, was no hero, he could be viewed as a spoilt alcoholic aristocrat who had no problem leading loyal men to their graves for his own personal ambitions. Thirdly Jacobitism did not really stand for a noble cause, it sought to put the Stuarts back on the throne and they stood for the 'divine right of kings' which meant they believed the king was chosen by god and should have absolute authority.

The Stuarts also advocated the Catholic religion (which many Scots were against). Ultimately it seems strange that the Jacobites have been immortalised on shortbread tins as a symbol of Scotland. Whatever the reason, the Jacobite cause has been remembered by Scots, and appropriated as a nationalist symbol. The memorial at Culloden on the anniversary of the battle still attracts huge crowds today."

If you would care to read the rest of the article try this link:

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/charlieb.html

Which you will note is not an English website but a Scottish one and is very objective about the romanticised Bonnie Prince - which is as all history should be.

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JimD,

03/09/2006 12:20:08

As a history teacher I would like to ask a simple question of those posters who think we should begin Scotland's story from the very beginning, covering all important events: where is the time coming from to cover such depth in an already crowded curriculum?

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wayne bijlyeerheid,

03/09/2006 12:23:19

Anna,
I was pointing out that historically, aside from the small matter of the Romano-Britons in which the Anglo-Saxons were in concert with the Scots and Caledonians anyway, the English weren't the oppressors, and once having reached their limits, Offa's Dyke border in the west and the Forth in the north, seem to have settled down and joined in familiarly enough with the indigent system of temporary alliances and internecine warfare.
I was further pointing out that it was the Normans who expanded "England", so brutally, beyond the former Roman province of "Brittannia", not the English who were, if not of the upper classes and dispossessed, more or less enslaved.
As I say, a holistic view, of events in this whole group of islands, might alter our perception of each other and the relations between us.

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JG,

Fife 03/09/2006 12:51:12

I applaud the notion of teaching Scottish history, warts and all. I can recall that at school we were taught about the Picts, moved on to the period of Scottish history covering James iv - James vii/ii and did a bit about WW2. It was evident even then that it wasn't just "Scottish good - English bad" (although King Edward - Hammer of the Scots - was a bit of a swine). Half the time you couldn't work out WHAT side some people were on. Robert the Bruce, for example, could give even Tony Blair a lesson in "flip-flopping"!!! Maybe they could substitute history lessons for the vacuous garbage they call "Media Studies".

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 03/09/2006 13:41:30

Ah, yes, thank you William - I understand your point of view now. It is easy to misunderstand one another on these posts sometimes. You seem to be enjoy an objective study of history as well.

JG - I agree with you about Edward I - he seems to have been a complete despot and even had 'Hammer of the Scots' engraved on his tomb!! Mind you, I think one of the most well known of all English Kings, Henry VIII, was a tyrant as well!! His enemies, erstwhile friends and wives dare not step out of line or it was 'off with their heads'. Those times were unbelievably cruel and brutal, to our modern eyes, but therein lies the fascination!!

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JG,

Fife 03/09/2006 14:01:02

Anna
Edward certainly didn't foster good Scottish/English relations and, while Henry was a bit brutal and a tad extreme, he must have saved a fortune in alimony! I also know he was the reason the C of E have the Queen at the head of the Church - fall out with the Pope, create your own Church! Very inventive. It is time the children of BRITAIN were taught their own history - I saw on TV last night that someone (a female adult) thought Winston Churchill was black because the statue she saw was made out of pewter (or something black anyway).

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Viking,

03/09/2006 14:09:49

William,

Knut was Norweigan not Danish.

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Viking,

03/09/2006 14:16:52

Richard - Im only 28 and my great great great great grandad takes me back to 1823. Somehow I do not think your great great grandad was involved in the '45. Unless you issed some greats out. Are you sure you haven;t done what lots of Americans do and simply found someone with your last name involved in an event and decided you were related to them. I worked with a girl from South Carolina who told me that her 11 times great grandad was a cousin of William, Duke of Normandy. I did not want to spoil her 'heritage' so I let her carry on thinking it. Even at a stretch 11 greats would only get you back to the 1500s if my maths is right.

Also I remind you that the 45 was a British Civil War and that as many of the government (hanoverian) troops were scottish as were english. Beyond that, there were also many jacobites in the north of England. I think you need to do a little more reading of British history before commenting.

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radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 03/09/2006 14:30:35

Anna, im a Gaelic speaker and Lowlander and from what i can see, the "divisions" between Gall and Gaidheal were largely invented, sometime around the 17th C. Large parts of what is now considered 'Lowland' Scotland were Gaelic speaking until reletively recently - the last speaker of Aberdeenshire Gaelic died in the 1980s. Gaelic was spoken on Loch Lomondside, little more than 20 miles from Glasgow up until the 1950s at least. No one is painting the English as arch-villians, though to deny their designs on Scotland (and Ireland) would be false. There were too those Anglicised Scots, in both the Highlands and Lowlands, who looked to divide the nation and denegrated the Gaelic/Celtic culture. However, some facts are clear - the Union in 1707 was universally hated with riots in the cities and numerous uprisings in the Highands which the Jacobites comandeered. Hence, when Charlie with his mostly Gaelic army entered Edinburgh and anulled the Act of Union in 1745, many city dwellers were definatley on his side.

And it's not that bright for someone from Cambridgshire to denigrate the opinions of a person she supposes to be American. Are you not both Goill?

S trom an t-uallach aineolas.

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JG,

Fife 03/09/2006 15:05:51

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Yes, and many weren't as Charlie represented a return to Catholicism which was being rejected by the time he got back. Bonnie Prince Charlie was a feckless being whose aspirations were entirely selfish - do you really think he cared about the Gaels or anyone else in Scotland? He was born in Rome, lived in France and (I believe) spoke very little English - or Gaelic, even! He was a terrible general who dithered outside Derby, wondering whether or not to try to conquer London (the English were playing in an away match in Europe) and was subsequently gubbed at Culloden. I love the romanticism of this story, but it wasn't really a "goer".
PS I looked it up - "Goill" is "a foreigner or Lowlander", consequently you would be one too - albeit one who speaks Gaelic.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 03/09/2006 15:20:29

Seoinaidh,

You do not seem to be aware of the existance of English Jacobites. In 1714 the Jacobites had increasing hopes that James Francis Edward Stuart would gain power when the popular Anne died leaving no immediate successor. However, the Act of Settlement 1701 required the monarch to be Protestant while James Francis was a devout Catholic. The crown therefore passed to Anne's second cousin the Elector of Hanover, great grandson of James I of England and VI of Scotland, who thus became George I. The Whigs acted quickly to bring in this uncharismatic German, forestalling possible arguments. This unattractive foreign figure who spoke poor English revived populist loyalism, still slow to transfer affection to the new regime while the old dynasty lived.

His arrival in 1714 was greeted by a winter of riots in England.

The Jacobite cause was a Catholic v Protestant issue and not a nationality one. In addition, neither the Act of Union in 1707 or the earlier Union of the Crowns in 1603 was universally popular with the English - there was a lot of discontent there too.

Believe the shortbread tin version if you want but you would do better to look into it a little deeper and without predjudice.

Also, you assume I am from Cambridgeshire - it is true that I live here but I have more relations living in Scotland than I do here. As I said before, these islands are very small and our history is entwined with each others.

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Duncan,

Scotland 03/09/2006 20:11:20

I have seen this question asked else where, but no one seemed able to give a proper answer. I have heard several opinions, but why are there different opinions, after all we seem pretty certain where the Gauls originated?

There appears to be scholars on this board, so can any of you give a good answer to this question.

Where do the Scots originate in history?

Any references you can provide will be most welcome.

I can see this thread going to at least 600.

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JG,

Fife 03/09/2006 20:47:23

I believe it is documented in several places that the "Scots" came over from Ireland. There are several different opinions about where they came from before that - some suggest that they came from mainland Europe or Scandinavia and I read on a Druid based website that the actual origins were Egyptian. The name allegedly derived from the daughter of the Pharoah Cincris - "Scota" - who sailed to Scotland in something like 1200 BC. I don't know how you could actually evidence any of that though!!

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JANIS,

London 04/09/2006 06:52:23

WRONG on this one, I thought 200 Posts by now at least.

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Duncan,

the Minch 04/09/2006 12:01:05

On the sixth of April, 1320 A. D., King Robert (the Bruce) of Scotland authorized the sending of a letter to Pope John XXII which has become what many call "Scotland's most precious possession." The document is known today as the "Declaration of Arbroath" or "The Scottish Declaration of Independence." It is kept in a shallow glass case in the Register House of Edinburgh.

At the time this famous document was drawn up, a two year peace was in effect between Scotland and England. The Pope had taken the side of the English because Robert Bruce had failed to show the 'proper' respect the Pope deemed was due him. Robert recognized that if peace was to be restored it would be necessary for the Pope to see the wisdom of a negotiated settlement and to use his influence upon King Edward II. The author gives the following account of this famous letter's arrival on the historical scene:

"In April of the year 1320 A.D., King Robert Bruce called the Scottish Parliament into session, at Arbroath Abbey, to hammer out a letter of protest to the Pope. The letter, composed in memorable Latin prose, recorded the great antiquity of the Scottish people and how they had always been ruled by their own kings. . . . they reminded the Pope of the shameful English contention that they had found it impossible to free the Holy Land from the heathen on account of the war they were having with their neighbors.

". . . The letter described Robert Bruce as a king, 'who, that he might free his people and heritage from the hands of the enemy, rose like another Joshua or Maccabeus, and cheerfully endured toil and weariness, hunger and peril.' . . .

" . . The Pope acknowledged receipt of the letter and was apparently somewhat mollified by the declaration, because he promptly suspended his proceedings against the Scots. . . . However, King Edward II refused to conclude a peace settlement with the Scots and in August 1322,

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Bert,

04/09/2006 15:06:54

I think more history can only be a good thing.

As for all the bickering, there were good and bad on both sides throughout. I just think that a more focussed study of Scotland's history would be a good thing. Mind you, as with there being English Jacobites, there were also Scots fighting in the 'English' Civil War, which doesn't get mentioned either

The same with literature. It amazed me that we have Burns, whose work we hardly touched, yet had to do Shakespeare.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying yorkshireman.

Richard, the point to take away from this post and pass on to your friends in the USA is that you are not Scottish, you're American. Tell your 'Irish' friends that too.

As for your comment about Media Studies JG. Spot on. Iget that same feeling when a university student tells me they are doing Psychology and Social Studies.

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Duncan,

The Minch. 04/09/2006 15:41:26

What the landlords thought of as necessary "improvements" but became known as the Clearances are thought to have been begun by Admiral John Ross of Balnagowan Castle in Scotland in 1762, although MacLeod of Dunvegan had done some experimental work on Skye in 1732. Many chiefs engaged Lowland, or sometimes English, factors with expertise in more profitable sheep farming, and they 'encouraged', sometimes forcibly, the population to move off suitable land. The people were accommodated in poor crofts or small farms in coastal areas where farming could not sustain the communities and they were expected to take up fishing, or they were put directly onto emigration ships.
In 1807 Elizabeth Gordon, 19th Countess of Sutherland, touring her inheritance with her husband Lord Stafford (later made Duke of Sutherland), wrote that "he is seized as much as I am with the rage of improvements, and we both turn our attention with the greatest of energy to turnips". As well as turning land over to sheep farming, Stafford planned to invest in creating a coal-pit, salt pans, brick and tile works and herring fisheries. That year his agents began the evictions, with ninety families forced to leave their crops in the ground and to move their cattle, furniture and timbers from their former houses to the land they were offered some 20 miles (30 km) away on the coast, living in the open until they had built themselves new houses. Stafford's first Commissioner, William Young, arrived in 1809, and soon engaged Patrick Sellar as his factor who pressed ahead with the process, burning homsteads as he went, while acquiring sheep farming estates for himself.
Yorkshireman from No. 4. I think you should rephrase your post, as it is innacurate.
Landlords such as The Earl Of Stafford were not Scottish. Yes he used agents who were blackhearted Scotmen, such as Patrick Sellar a viscous lowland turncoat thug, who would probably have killed his own mother if he had to.

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Duncan,

The Minch. 04/09/2006 15:59:46

.

Using his great personal wealth, the 1st Duke virtually destroyed the old ways of life in Sutherland. During "The Clearances" of 1814 to 1819, the clansmen were brutally evicted from their mountain homes and some of them were moved to plots on the coast where they could build cottages. Children here were at times tied to long ropes to prevent them from being blown off the cliffs into the sea. Here they could earn money working in industries, financed by Levenson-Gower, such as collecting and drying seaweed for use as fertilizer in the south. When they resisted, James Loch and the sheep farmers he brought in, like Patrick Sellar, simply burned their homes to the ground. The reports of houses being burned down over the heads of those reluctant to leave were not rare and are well documented.

In the book Gloomy Memories in the Highlands of Scotland, Donald McLeod tells of one eviction he witnessed in which Patrick Sellar set fire to the house of a hundred year old widow who lay bedridden within. As she screamed for help, her neighbors told Sellar of her great age. "Damn the old witch", he replied, "She had lived long enough. Let her burn." Friends pulled her from the flames, but she died five days later. Sellar was tried for arson and manslaughter, but the jury plainly, keeping a wary eye on the great house's interest, acquitted him.

Armed resistance was useless.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 04/09/2006 20:19:07

Angus Og

Thank you for your most interesting and informative post. What terrible lives the commoners of these islands had at the mercy and whims of the ruling classes.

It is hoped that the children of today will be taught their history and come to understand and appreciate the rich heritage that they have.

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Duncan,

The Minch 04/09/2006 23:43:45

Anna, agreed. Speaking as someone who was born and bred, and 'educated,' in the North of Scotland in the 60s I did not learn of the Clearances until I educated my self in later life.
The descendants of these 'ruling classes' are alive and well today, and still enjoy the fruits of the sins of there ancestors. The big houses now are more liable to be occupied by comedians and pop stars, and owners of bus companies.
Shame and guilt had a big influence on the education system. Only now in these enlightened times do we seem to be accepting the past and allowing our kids to learn about it.
History has a way of repeating itself don't you think?
Do we learn lessons from our history, it seems not?
One thing we can congratulate our present politicians for is there attempts to restore rights of tenure to the crofters, and the right to buy there land from these descendants and maybe take a small step towards retribution, I for one applaud there vision and courage.
If we could only see the Mannie above Golspie knocked down, that would be a great symbolic gesture.
We will have to wait another 200 years for that I doubt.

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 10:52:40

I find some of the distortions of Jacobite History amongst these comments quite worrying. Of course we can no longer view Scottish history through tartan tinted glasses with an image of a highlander bursting through the mist to bring freedom to an oppressed nation. Equally, we cannot fall victim to liberal revisionism which argues that Bonnie Prince Charlie was a greedy fool who did not care about the Gaels and the 'new myth' that the Jacobite rebellions were part of a British Civil War.

The Jacobite rebellions were uniquely Scottish in character. They were as much a response to the long standing grievances of the Union 1707, the Malt Tax of 1725 and Religious persecution of Catholics and Episcopalians throughout the first half of the eighteenth century as they were to the short term cause of renewed war with France. The vast majority of support for the rebellion of 1745 came from Scotland - it must be rembered that one of the promises of the Stuarts was the immediate re-establishment of the Scottish parliament. This was NOT a British Civil War, it was a Scottish rebellion where nearly all the major engagements were fought in Scotland.

As to Yorkshiremen #4 who suggests that most of the Government army at Culloden was Scottish - he is wrong. True, ancestors of the Royal Scots, Royal Scots Fusiliers and the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders fought at Culloden, but the vast majority of the troops were English. In fact of the 16 infantry Battalions at the Battle only 4 were Scottish. Of the four cavalry regiments - none were Scottish. The vast majority of atrocities after the Battle were carried out by none other than Cobham's Dragoons - an English cavalry regiment. Rightly so, Culloden should be portrayed as an English v Scottish affair.

Anna #12 uses a quote from a Scottish History webpage to back up her argument that the Bonnie Prince has been romanticised. This website is badly researched and misleading. The Prince donated 200,000 French Loui

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 10:56:00

Cont.

Scottish history has been portrayed with both 'Tartan' fervour and with liberal revisionism. Both interpretations leave a lot to be desired but hopefully some of my arguments present a case that the Jacobite rebellions are, as everyone keeps saying here, incredibly complex and there is no one side to each argument. In schools, Scottish History should be taught with a balanced view with all sides represented whether that be an initial Romanticised view tackled by a revisionist view and then revised again to try and ascertain the facts.

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 11:33:00

Charlie

The Jacobite Risings of 1715 and 1745 came into being because James II and VII was a Catholic. Some of his subjects distrusted his religious policies and alleged despotism, leading a group of them to depose him in the Glorious Revolution. That is why he was forced to flee into exile and William III (nephew of James )and Mary II (daughter of James) and both Protestant, were invited to take the throne. The Royal family were still Stuarts but not the direct line of descent.

It is true that Bonnie Prince Charlie relied on raising the Highlands to start his attempt to regain the throne of his grandfather but he also relied on support from English Jacobites. It is reported that he mismanaged the assault on England and lied to his men about his support in England, which is why they retreated back to Scotland and fought with incredible bravery and valour against the juggernaut which was Cumberland's army at Culloden.

The behaviour of Cumberland's army, against the Highlanders was cruel, brutal and despicable. He is not known as Butcher Cumberland for nothing.


After his defeat, Charles indicated to the remaining supporters of the Jacobite cause in England that, accepting the impossibility of his recovering the English and Scots crowns while he remained a Roman Catholic, he was willing to commit himself to reigning as a Protestant. Accordingly he visited London incognito in 1750 and conformed to the Protestant faith by receiving Anglican communion at the Church of St Mary-le-Strand; a noted centre of Anglican Jacobitism. On Charles's return to France he reverted to Catholic observance.

As an aside the behaviour of Cumberland's army against the Highlanders was cruel, brutal and despicable. He is not known as Butcher Cumberland for nothing.

It would perhaps have been better if James II and VII had been as wise as his brother Charles II. It is reported that Charles gave the appearance of being a Protestant, in public

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 11:52:45

Angus,

I had to look the 'Mannie above Golspie' up - I quite agree with you - it should be taken down. However, I don't think it should be destroyed - it is, after all, part of the Scottish heritage for good or ill and should be preserved as such but perhaps not in such a prominent position.

Yes, the Clearances are an interesting subject. They have a parallel with the Enclosures Act which were a series of agricultural laws passed by the British Parliament in 19th century England. They were passed by wealthy landowners within the Parliament. They privatized and fenced off a large amount of farmland that had once been common property.

Small farmers either had to pay rent to large landowners or forfeit their farms. This mass displacement of farmers sent great numbers of people to the city. It also created a large pool of available labor once industrialization got under way.

It was a battle for survival in the past for the poorer classes. Then, when industrialization took over there was appalling treatment and conditions of the working classes. It must have been a very hard life in those days, indeed, and the disregard and callous attitude of the ruling classes was to blame. It's surprising that the French and Russian revolution's were not imitated here.

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 12:40:22

Anna,

Few points i'd like to take up. Firstly, how is it possible that the rebellions of 1715 and 1745 were because James VII and II was a Catholic when he died in 1701? I would completely agree that the Jacobite rebellion of 1689 was as a direct result of him being a Catholic and his policies of catholicisation and according civil and religious rights to dissenters. However, the 15 and the 45 were definitely not Catholic uprisings. In 1690 the Scottish Parliament imposed Presbyterianism on Scotland as the state religion. Episcopalianism had been the established religion since 1660 and the re-introduction of Presbyterianism was unnacceptable to many. In fact, 15 of the 26 clans active on the Jacobite side in 1715 were of Episcopalian sympathy and the vast majority of support came from Angus, Aberdeen, Banff, Kincardine, Forfar and Perthshire - all areas of Episcopalian tradition and loyalty. Indeed only 2% of the Scottish population were Catholic at the time and only six of the 26 clans which rose were of that denomination. The remaining 5 clans were Presbyterian. On top of this the 1690s were a period of huge economic crisis for Scotland. Overseas trade suffered as a result of the English war with France, many Scots had lost out on the Darien scheme, the economic promises of the Union had failed to be delivered upon and taxes were being increased or created in direct violation of the Treaty of Union itself. Also the Glencoe massacre provided a propaganda gift for those who saw the Williamite regime failing on account after account. This was NOT a Catholic uprising and if the Stuart rebellion had been succesful in 1715 there is no way that the Episcopalian leadership of the Scottish Jacobites would have accepted a return to catholicism. This was a rebellion against many many grievances. The same can be said for the 45 although on a smaller scale.

As to Bonnie Prince Charlie's promise of English support - how much can we really estimate that this was

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 12:45:20

Cont.

when i get Home!

What this little debate shows is that Scottish history is a lively and interesting topic with bags of room for debate and should be taught as such in schools. History is a living and growing beast and Scottish history in its context, certainly has a place to be taught as an exciting and worthwhile subject in our schools.

Been nice talking Anna! Gotta get back to work now!!!!

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 13:42:15

Hi Charlie,

I have 'googled' Bonnie Prince Charlie a few times now and all the web links (a lot of which are Scottish - or say they are) say he was a Catholic, born in Rome. He also hoped for support from the French King Louis XV - the French supported him not only because of the 'Auld Alliance' but also because they wished to see Catholicism restored in Britain. However, the French support that he expected failed to materialise.

The reason the direct decendents of the Stuart line went into exile is because of James II and VII insistence on retaining his Catholic faith and his very unpopular second marriage to Mary of Modena (an Italian RC aristocrat), the mother of the exiled James III and VIII - the Old Pretender. James II did try to regain his Kingdom from William III but on July 12, 1690, William defeated James in the Battle of the Boyne, Ireland. King James VII died in exile in 1701.
However, I found this on wikipedia:
In lowland Britain the Catholics tended to come from the gentry and formed the most ideologically committed supporters, drawing on almost two centuries of subterfuge as a minority persecuted by the state and rallying enthusiastically to Jacobite armies as well as contributing financial support to the court in exile. Some Scottish Highland clans such as the Clan Macdonald of Clanranald remained Catholic, but they were exceptions.

Just as much dedicated support in England came from the Nonjuring Anglicans, which started with Church of England clergy who refused on principle to take the oath of allegiance to William and Mary while James still lived, and developed into an Episcopalian schism of the church with small congregations in all the English cities. In many respects, Jacobites perceived themselves as the heirs of the Royalists or Cavaliers of the English Civil War era, who had fought for James II's father Charles I and for the Established Church against the Parliamentarians - who stood for the primacy of Parl

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 13:46:20

cont:
the Jacobite cause came from the Lowlands, but this was obscured in the risings by their tendency to wear Highland dress as a kind of Jacobite uniform."

This is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobites

So, you are correct about the mixed religious make up of the Jacobites.

It is a fascinating subject and has led to so many reprecussions. The Orange Men and sectarianism is just one. What side would you have been on if you had lived then? The Jacobites - and the King oe'r the Water - or the stodgy, Hanoverians?

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 13:57:17

Hi Charlie,

Not sure if I really answered this one:

"Few points i'd like to take up. Firstly, how is it possible that the rebellions of 1715 and 1745 were because James VII and II was a Catholic when he died in 1701?"

The whole Jacobite cause began because James II and VII was forced into exile because he was a Catholic (mind you, I don't think he was very popular with the supporters of a parliament either). Jacobite comes from Jacobus which is Latin for James.

William III (King Billy of the Boyne) deposed him and was himself, reportedly killed when his horse stumbled on a mole hill and threw him. The Jacobites used to drink a toast 'To the Little Gentleman in the Black Velvet Coat"!!!!

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 15:07:34

Dear Anna,

Thanks for the link. I too 'googled' and found that almost all the web sites say that Charlie was a catholic. I'm still not convinced though!! Can't actually get access to the books i need till tomorrow but check here tomorrow night and i'll see what i can come up with!!!

As to what side i'd be on... Being a Presbyterian Lowland Scot i think history dictates i'd probably be wearing a red coat! But my heart tells me i'd be wearing the white cockade and toasting the King o'er the water! - The romanticism lives on!!! :-)

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Alonso,

Aberdeen 05/09/2006 15:08:17

Sorry that shouldn't read 'almost' all the websites but 'all' the websites!

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 05/09/2006 15:15:11

I quite agree with you Charlie - I'd go for the Jacobite cause - it's much more interesting and also the Confederate cause in he US Civil War (but without the slavery issue). The Jacobites and the Confederates got the best songs, Dixie, Skye Boat Song, heroes, BPC, Robert E Lee, the Rebel Yell, and all the sadness of a Lost Cause. Perhaps there was a lot of connections between them. I have heard there were quite a lot of Scots who migrated to the Southern States.

Look forward to the book recommendations......... always on the lookout for a good read!

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Duncan,

The Minch. 05/09/2006 19:20:14

It seems there may be something in what you say Charlie, but it looks like it had nothing to do with his God.

1750: Charles actually visited London in disguise and tried thereafter to interest several European governments to support him. 1760: Declared himself a protestant in the hope that it would help his cause. 1753: Birth of a daughter Charlotte to his mistress Clementina Walkinshaw whom he created Duchess of Albany.

1765: By now his claims were not even being recognised by the Pope and other European Powers and he became something of a joke in international circles, finally descending into alcoholism. He retired to Florence.
http://www.britainunlimited.com/Biogs/Charles.htm

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Sebastian J E De Carss,

Glasgow 06/09/2006 11:33:50

The Forgotten Scottish Man

Korean War 1950s to 1953.

The Korean War Monument on Sunday 10th September 2006.

GLASGOW NECROPOLIS.

There was 7,000. Thousands of Scottish Man, Whom did not come home to their families. Their -Children were taken in Conentration Slavery Child Camps for the preparation for the Child Migrant Programme. 1960s The Most Vulnerable Children name was taken from tham, they were not allowed to speak to each other or their home Lands. They were forced to march in order by numbers the youngest of four years old, to the Ship Ports of deportation to the end of The British Empire Corners of The world.. They were only small childre. the Forgotten children like their Father's The forgotten Korean War Heros.of Scotland & Ireland.

This week for the first time,i'm allowed to speak for my father's Army Duty to Serve his Homeland. He servied to his home land of Scotland in The Royal Signals.
for freedam to have Peace in The World. He came home like many more ill from the Radiation Water Poison from The korean War for testing bombs. .The War Veterans died a very painfull life's.

I was a child of seven years old 1960s from Newcastle Upon Tyne from A Scotissh Hero. Taken from my Parents into an Concentration Camp for Child Slavery by dr Barnardo's Charity 1966s. The Old Bishop Palace. Ripon.
Springhill School. Ripon
Barnardo home. Ripon . UK.

The First days our hands were broken by the beatens never, never to write ones name or family name or speak about our homeland of Scotland or Ireland. this was done by The Religious Christian in the name of God.

I would serve my time as a Spastic Child of Nine years Imprisonment becourse , i was a Witness to the horrific Crimes against the most vulnerable Children in Care. The Irish & Scottish children especiall the young Beautifull Girls came off worst by the beatens, S' Abuse imprisonment conditions and punishments thrown at

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Corbett Hunckers,

Fife 06/09/2006 12:53:52

Anna,

The Carolinas and Georgia had a major influx of Scottish immigrants, particularly in the late 17th to late 18th century. Together with the Ulster Scots who settled the Appalachians, there is a massive connection to Scotland in these areas.

It is only recently that the impact of the Scots is being recognised fully. This I suspect is through revisionist history, which highlights many immigrants who were previously thought to be Irish were indeed Scottish, having been part of the plantation programme in Ulster.

Anna, you will be settling in Bonny Scotland before long, if we keep on brainwashing you!

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Anna,

Cambridgeshire 06/09/2006 13:50:48

Thanks for that AJ - I've been looking it up a bit myself - the similarities between the Jacobite army at Culloden and the Confederates is too marked to be a coincidence.

Settling in Bonny Scotland? I can't really see it somehow - but I love to visit there and have a great fondness for the place. I enjoy English history as well - not all of it obviously - the Corn Laws are the dullest thing in the world and I can't get excited about Cromwell's tenure as Boss of the country either. Even though I know the Cromwellians were the sensible ones - I still like the romance of the Cavaliers best. Charles II is my favourite out of all the Kings and not just because he was reputed to be a wow with the ladies and very good looking - he just seems to stand out from the rest of the boring crowd of monarchs (Although, I don't include Henry VIII or Elizabeth in the boring comment - they were too despotic to be boring!!).

It's just like nowadays, I suppose some are 'stars' and some feature in trashy celeb mags.

I like some French history as well btw especially Louis XIV, Louis XV and Louis XVI - the reigns leading up to the Revolution. So marvellously decadent and selfish ...... quite unbelievably so in some cases. Off with their heads!!

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Corbett Hunckers,

Fife 06/09/2006 14:09:51

Sounds like you throw a good party!!

I'm surprised you didn't mention Edward VII and VIII, they used to throw it around like a Bombay money lender.

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Sebastian J E De Carss,

Glasgow. scotland 06/09/2006 15:33:04

James' 1st 1606.

Interesting times after Gay fawkes Bonfire Nights 5th Noverber 1605.Gay Fawkes was hang, Ladies and Gentleman
James made laws to remove all illness of sick People , Handicapped Children Orphans of Wars, out of Wed Mailens with their Children.The Chruches and charities were very profitable for this ideas untill 1970s.

OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND.

The 5th Noverber:
Gay Fawkes Bonfire Nights the perfect Crimes to remove unwanted children out of Society

As a Spastic Child . I was closed to Death by these Bonfires on the grounds of The Old Bishop Palace, a Dr Barnardo's Charity . Ripon : A Concentration Camp 1960s. a few of my childhood friends were not so lucky by the Bonfires.

Child Migrant Children.
WWW.BBC.CO.UK/CRIMEWATCH

BARNARDO ABUSE. RIPON
THE BBC.THE WEB BOX.""PETITION"

1606 +=1968+1970s.

Sebastian De Carss.

This was my research Evidences verse Dr Barnardo's Charity of a very successful Civil Court Case.



Still today people do not know the reasons, For gay fawkes Bonfire nights why we still have a festival of burning victims on Bonfires, a Spastic does.

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Jay,

New York 07/09/2006 16:25:26

Cheers! to all of you!! Seems that Scottish History is important to you. It should be as well to your children. My great-great grandfather was from Dundee. I consider myself a Scot and have every right to, until the day that Scotland is Free. Then I will apply for a dual Scottish Passport from the Government of Scotland!!

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Sebastian J E De Carss,

Glasgow: SCOTLAND 08/09/2006 09:32:48

To The Scottish Child Migrants.
Children 1950s to 1960s

""It is time to came Home"".

The Calling Home The Scottish Child Migrant Children, Please do came home to your Homeland of scotland , the many thousands after thousands of child kidnapped from Scotland & Ireland in 1950s to 1960s, Where every you are in The World Wide British Empire. Sorry this was a very bad,bad idea by The Charities like Dr Barnardo's and the British Government of the day for the Stolen Children from Scotland into Child slavery by The Religious Christians charities , Dr Barnardo's and Churches to remove the Unwanted Children from Ireland & Scotland in 1960s into thousands missing Children stolen of the land of hope Scotland .

A Working Class Kid:

I was borne late 1950s on the wrong side of town at the end of the Great Industrial Revolution in Newcastle Upon Tyne like many thousands of Scott families came to work in Newcastle in the Mines Steel -factors and the Ship- building Trades. It was a profitable to the Rich to the Scotts this was hard labour to their early deaths

I did not choose my parents they came with the life package.

I was taken as an unwanted Austic Spastic kidd Child away from my Parents never to be see again from The Society and forced into a Concentration Camp a dr Barnardo's Charity Camp. The Old Bishop Paace . Ripon England , for child Slavery by The famours Charity Dr Barnardo's calling the Charity a Christian faith for helping the Vulnerable Children this was a bad Joke their had for an idea.
with The Bonfires Crimes too.
We were thousands children put in those Cancentration Camps especilly Irish & Scottish Children.#

We arrived into the Concentration Child Slavery Camps put stright into hard long hours of harsh force work with broken hands from the beatens. only answering by your numbers give to you, never to speak of Scotland or your families ties. t

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Sebastian J E De Carss,

Glasgow+Scotland 08/09/2006 17:42:35

The Stolen Scottish * Irish children ,into thousands whom had been ship off around the World. 1960s

There are good Charities doing they best undo the damage from The British Empire days.

There is none one to help use becaurse it was a Horrific Crimes to Vulnerable Scottish Children: many of The survivors will eventually have long years of heath problems in later years and families will sufferr, not knowning what had happen to their Parents childhood days. when they were in charities homes receiving and experience applling Brutality S'Abuse, Drugging testing Beatens by Nuns and Christians. Watching they friends burnt on Bonfires. example Dr Barnardo's Charity homes. Springhill School. Ripon.
The Concentration Camp. the Old Bishop Palace. Ripon
With a large Bonfire Area, Still there today as a Crime Scene of Girls

WWW.BBC.CO.UK/CRIMEWATCH

BARNARDO CHILD MIGRANT.

BARNARDO ABUSE.RIPON
BONFIRE CRIMES OF YOUNG GIRLS.

BARNARDO ABUSE.RIPON
THE BBC.THE WEB BOX. PETITION>

Every day i hear another Scottish Survivor from Those Industrial Homes and Charity Homes, they never grow old. another Unmark Grave the Forgotten Child Migrants.

Ex: Dr Barnardo's Slave from The Concentration Camps 1960s.

Was.I Spastic no i was not,To those Horffic Bonfire Crimes

Yours
Sebastian De Carss.
Scottish Ambassador for
Survivors & Victims
of Scotland

My Sincerity of the truth


 

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