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Published Date: 04 January 2009
IT IS the Year of the Homecoming when all Scots are expected to pull together to celebrate their country and the glorious legacy left by national bard Robert Burns.
But an acrimonious feud between two eminent Burns scholars, which could end up in court, is threatening to overshadow the Scottish Government's festivities and the 250th anniversary of the ploughman poet's birth.

Burns biographer Patrick Scott Ho
gg has accused Burns expert Gerard Carruthers of verbally attacking him and launching a smear campaign on his character and work.

Hogg said he was now planning to sue Carruthers, head of the University of Glasgow's department of English and Scottish literature, for defamation after Carruthers claimed Hogg made abusive phone calls to his home.

Other Burns experts said the row threatened to "muddy the waters" of the Homecoming year at a time when the movement should be pulling together. Peter Westwood, editor of the Burns Chronicle, said: "This has been going on for a number of years. I know them both and Patrick has a tendency to get the academic's back up.

"Over the years there have been many articles written criticising Patrick, who is out on his own.

"This is an important year with it being Burns' 250th anniversary and it's a shame that this is still going on."

The dispute between the scholars, who previously worked together at the University of Strathclyde, dates from 1997 when Carruthers dismissed claims that Hogg had found a new Burns poem. Since then, Hogg says Carruthers has published accusations against the writer on internet forums and in the media. Carruthers accused Hogg's book, The Canongate Burns, of being beset by basic errors and vehemently questioned Hogg's claim that he had uncovered a series of poems by Burns never before recognised as the Bard's work.

On the World Burns Club forum last year, Carruthers said of Hogg's book. "What my work clearly exposes is Hogg's fraudulent methods."

In 2006 he had talked of "the sheer bad workmanship (and this is to put it very politely!) of both The Lost Poems and The Canongate Burns."

Speaking out for the first time since Carruthers' attack, Hogg claimed he was being hounded out of his profession by his rival, who "ripped apart" everything he did.

Hogg said: "Anything I do, Gerry just pours scorn on it. I have tried to avoid what he has written about my work, but a few months ago I contacted him and he said I should read what he had written. I was absolutely horrified at the level of invective. I couldn't believe what he was saying. He's calling me a glory hunter."

The situation culminated, Hogg said, in a personal attack on him. "I tried to make up with him on the Burns Federation forum, but Gerry started accusing me of abusive phone calls... that was absolute rubbish and serious defamation."

Hogg now claims he wants to take Carruthers to court over the accusation. He said: "I have been taking advice from a lawyer on it. I'm seriously thinking about taking it to the High Court. You can't let something like that go on."

Carruthers was unavailable for comment.

• The Year of the Homecoming is a marketing exercise by the Scottish Government, which is hoping to attract thousands of Scots descendants and expatriates back from abroad to Scotland for a series of events to mark the Burns anniversary. A series of high-profile events have been planned between Burns Night on January 25 and St Andrew's Day in November.





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  • Last Updated: 03 January 2009 11:11 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Robert Burns , Homecoming
 
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malcolmcean,

04/01/2009 00:28:24
I see the Scotsman group newspapers are once again exhibiting their uniquely close relationship with Scotland and its cultural institutions.

Gerry Carruthers is head of the 'Scottish Literature department' not head of something called the 'English and Scottish literature department'.

One would think that the 'national' newspaper of Scotland, the print reflection of the country's cultural heartbeat, would know that Glasgow University has the only Scottish literature department of any university in the world.

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Shamus,

GLASGOW 04/01/2009 00:33:26
The above article mentions the 'two scholars' Do any of the two obtain money from the public purse! Jings Crivens Rabbie help ma Boab.
3

malcolmcean,

04/01/2009 00:43:14
Shamus,

Is this a serious question? Do you not know if either of them receive public money? Or are you expressing disappointment (via feigned astonishment) that scholars are paid by the public?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 04/01/2009 01:09:17
3# No, No, Yes. Whats a scholar!
5

livilion,

livingston 04/01/2009 03:08:26
This is what passes for news in the Scotsman, handbags at dawn?

These two have been at each other for a decade or more, if anyone is casting a shadow over the Robert Burns' 250th anniversary I'd suggest it is the Scotsman.
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bill inch,

EDINBURGH 04/01/2009 04:04:02
IT IS the Year of the Homecoming when all Scots are expected to pull together to
By whom mAY i Ask? What PR Drivel
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donald,

glasgow 04/01/2009 07:51:09
Patrick Scott Hogg has been persecuted for daring to raise Burns Radical Scottish Republican politics and by highlighting his censored work by the very Holy Willies and Parcel of Rogues bedeviling this sma' nation of ours.
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Phil1,

Edinburgh 04/01/2009 08:35:08
I see the nasty party are still trying to claim Burns for themselves?

The Scotsman was just saying two babies were fighting over their own over-sensitive opinions of themselves.

I don't want my taxes to pay for 'handbagging' by so called 'scholars'.
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Bejjy,

04/01/2009 09:11:13
#8 Gaga 11

Two questions.

If you hate the Scotsman newspaper and its "foreign" editorial staff so much why do you read the paper and then make vocabularly limited comments on these threads?

Are you really as boring as you sound?; I bet you are a hoot at parties that is if you ever get invited to any parties.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 04/01/2009 09:46:36
#8 "The Hootsmon is largely an English owned, English run, and English staffed newspaper. They continually print items and articles that exhibit a total ignorance of Scotland and Scottish culture."

Wasn't Burns a hated British Excise Man - a tax collector paid by the hated British government? Does that make Burns a traitor and a 'quisling' ?

Or, wasn't Burns someone who transcended narrow parochialisms to celebrate the brotherhood of man? If he was the latter - I don't think he would have agreed to becoming the marketing tool of narrow parochialists and Nationalists who hate and detest their nearest neighbours purely on the grounds of their so-called 'nationality'.

Burns loved his fellow man and all humanity - and that is why he is celebrated all across Russian, America, Japan - across the world. He just happened to be Scottish - but his vision far transcended the mental and spiritual blinkers of nationalism
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

04/01/2009 09:58:34
I can just see ma and pa MacExile's decision about spending their bucks on a vacation to Scotland depending on the fact that two academics are having a scholarly tiff over whether Burns remained a radical or not in his dying days...FFS
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malcolmcean,

04/01/2009 10:00:46
Shamus @ post 4:

You think it a bad thing that academics are paid from the public purse? If this were not the case, then university depatments which generate no income would disappear.

Would you be happy with that?
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malcolmcean,

04/01/2009 10:12:30
Tweedmouth writes:

"I don't think he would have agreed to becoming the marketing tool of narrow parochialists and Nationalists who hate and detest their nearest neighbours purely on the grounds of their so-called 'nationality'."

Is this what the above poster whom you are attacking actually said?

I thought he was lamenting the ignorance resulting from an inability on the part of this newspaper to accurately reflect the cultural lanscape it purports to emanate from. Not simply attacking the 'English' because they are 'English' (as you suggest). The point could have been made if the subjects were Romanian, Irish, or whatever.

Perhaps you knew this, however, and were simply trying to attack the SNP and the Homecoming event because of your political allegiances. If so, I shall try to avoid your one-sided rhetorical exercises in the future.
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GMCD,

04/01/2009 10:16:06
Only the maddest SNPite could turn this story of academic arsehokes into a slur against Scottishness and the SNP plans for the homecoming...with this logic not reporting it would have been suppressing opinion but OK.....tartan-tinted glasses or heads up thier own ar*es???
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Douglas,

Bathgate 04/01/2009 10:46:10
Cancel the new Forth bridge, build an ivory tower and let them fight it out.
The winner gets a McSweens haggis.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 04/01/2009 11:35:05
#15 GMCD
Hail the new bard! :-)
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Brian Hill,

04/01/2009 11:51:24
"These two have been at each other for a decade or more, if anyone is casting a shadow over the Robert Burns' 250th anniversary I'd suggest it is the Scotsman."

Got it in one livilion # 5
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jdships,

Edinburgh 04/01/2009 12:32:30
I have worked in " Scottish History Research" for twenty years and "spats" like this go on all the time .
"History" is not something everyone automatically agrees on - we all have our opinions and quite rightly so IMO.
What does bother me is that instances like this , which would have never got a mention five years ago ,will now be thrust into the limelight of the "Homecoming"
We are going to have enough problems with "Hooray Henry's ", "wanabees" et al trying to run the celebrations without highlighting "differences of opinion".

8 Guga II,,
YAWN .
Why read this paper if you dislike it so much ?
You are really becoming very boring - suggest you try and find a new script writer or read another newspaper that fits your opinions.
I don't agree with all written in the "Scotsman" but find it stimulates thought and debate which suits me and probably many other readers
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 04/01/2009 12:42:09
I think these two individuals have an over-inflated view of their self-importance. This immature behaviour will have no effect whatsoever of the Homecoming Year.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 04/01/2009 12:47:30
#15 What a silly post !
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Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 04/01/2009 13:02:50
The sad thing is, academia cannot accept that research done out with their hallowed control can be valid.
This we have seen many times.
I would suggest a public contest on Robert Burns the man and his work, between these two with a panel of top Burns experts as judges ,it would make great television and could be used as a tool to show how magnanimous the Scots and Scotland really are!
VisitScotland should come up with the budget, which will be the best PR they could buy.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 04/01/2009 13:26:17
I hardly think a minor spat between two self-obsessed "experts" on Burns is going to affect Homecoming proceedings.

What these two need is pistols at dawn or a thick ear. It makes you wonder what could get someone so upset about the Scottish Bard that one has to sue the other. Get real and celebrate the positive aspects of Burns' works!
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Shamus,

Glasgow 04/01/2009 14:04:31
13# Dont really know. Do they generate anything!
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malcolmcean,

04/01/2009 17:03:48
Shamus@24:

Generate anything? What do you mean by 'anything'? That covers pretty much everything from sneezing to atomic theory.

You have to ask yourself what it is you think a university (not a technical college or a secondary school) should be doing.

Personally, I see part of the job of academics of all disciplines to generate argument and seek to say something which speaks to us as humans at a relatively profound level.
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livilion,

livingston 04/01/2009 19:14:22
#11 Tweedmouth,Coldstream

While in his latter years as a government exciseman in Dumfries, Burns was censured by his bosses for refusing to stand and sing 'God Save the King' at the end of an evening at the theatre.

Mebbes he didn't care much for the tune or he just had a bad leg, eh?

You do also know that Burns' family had to leave Kincardinshire for Ayrshire after the 1715 uprising for their Jacobite connections?

"We'll mak our maut, and we'll brew our drink,
We'll laugh, sing, and rejoice, man,
And monie braw thanks to the meikle black Deil,
That danc'd awa wi' th' Exciseman!"

Nothing like a bit of respect for the law...
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 04/01/2009 19:23:57
What utter tripe...
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livilion,

livingston 04/01/2009 19:39:47
#11 Tweedmouth,Coldstream

No wonder you're so bitter and twisted if you believe this:
>>the marketing tool of narrow parochialists and Nationalists who hate and detest their nearest neighbours purely on the grounds of their so-called 'nationality'. <<

You might have missed, wilfully or otherwise, that a fair few members of the SNP up to government level were not in fact(gasps in shock and horror?) born north of Coldstream or even Hadrian's wall.

I know you'll never believe this, but some SNP members weren't even born in Britain at all but are 'Johnny Foreigners' and with most Scots would probably fail Lord Tebbit's famous cricket test of Britishness.

btw My father's family were so called English, as my wife was and as much of my extended family are. We all usually get on quite well(I'm now divorced).

Of course or southern neighbours are famous for their charitable attitude to their southern neighbours, in France and Germany for example, with good hearted banter thrown in just for fun. English respect for the Irish is also legend, isn't it?

29

Navvy,

04/01/2009 19:44:43
the bard would have loved this and is likely laughing in his grave.

He would have the ultimate put down to all asses
30

Navvy,

04/01/2009 19:45:24
and yes, we do have a surfit of Holy willies
31

livilion,

livingston 04/01/2009 19:59:19
30 Navvy,
Not necessarily a bad thing, if you can master the fingering technique.
32

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 04/01/2009 20:07:52
when both were questioned by the police,they replied"ve ver only obeying orders" satanic broon must have put them up to it,trying to spoil it
well for 2 so called acedemics,you are acting like a couple of spoilt brats,if this ruins or spoils the burns celebrations,you 2 can cough up to make up the loss
#30aye broon is a guid yin
O Lord, my God! that glib-tongued broon
My very heart and flesh are quaking
To think how we stood sweating, shaking,
And pissed with dread,
While he, with hanging lip and sneering,
Held up his head.
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fair scunnered,

edinburgh 04/01/2009 20:09:55
aye holy willies prayer sums up broon perfectly
heres what voters are saying when looking at their savings
well
oil
beef
oct
say it loud and quick
34

livilion,

livingston 04/01/2009 20:12:33
33 fair scunnered,
isn't it whale oil?
35

Shamus,

Glasgow 04/01/2009 21:29:39
25# I agree more working class people need university education so that they can speak at a relatively profound level for humans.
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Uel,

Brisbane 04/01/2009 21:48:35
William Burness who was Robert Burns dad wasn't born until 1721. Wasn't it in 1748 when the Kincardin resident Burness family were suffering economically as a direct consequence of the Jacobite Rising and the aftermath of Culloden that the family went their separate ways in order to survive. Also William and his brother Robert Burness required clearances, before travelling south, to prove that they had not taken any part in the ‘45’ rebellion.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 04/01/2009 23:31:59
36# You can make up any story you want if you managed to survive the 18th century! A lot went to Australia. Those that did should stay in Australia and give the natives a better deal. Also do not interfere in Scottish Politics. Get the drift Brisbane.
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Alan Reid,

London 05/01/2009 00:46:11
13 malcolmcean, Don't bother about Shamus he's the usual rangers supporting brain-dead moron who wraps himself up in the Union jack and screams venom at anything and anyone that tries to talk up Scotland. He is a fool, a complete an@l lobotomised idiot. All he can think about is Britain and how GREAT Britain is. If brains were taxed, he would get a huge rebate.
In all the posts he writes he has not put forward, one credibly argument against Scottish independence, truly he is a man with a very small d i c k, and should be treated accordingly
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livilion,

livingston 05/01/2009 12:34:17
36 Uel,Brisbane
Aye you are dead right, but I did remember it was before tea time.

"How foolish are mankind to look for perfection In any poor changeling under the sun!
By nature or habit, or want of reflection, To vices and folly we heedlessly run.

The man who is modest and kind in his nature, And open and cheerful in every degree, Who feels for the woes of his fellow creature, Though subject to failings is dear unto me."
James Hogg
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Ghost of Rabbie Burns,

Dumfries 05/01/2009 22:19:26
Fur Goadsake whit's this nonsense aboot?
Get yer heids the gither and sort it oot!
I see Rab the Craw fae the bellshill school
He's a Prof noo and kens poetry by rule
And a biography he's din, large and lang
And joined the Establishment gang!
He's weel in cohoots wi thae Glesca boys
And thinks his ain voice a great big noise.
Guid luck at St Andrew's inpressing the weans
Ye'll catch the plack man, Geordie's stanes:
BUt och, Don Paterson didna deserve yer whack
Is there some grappling monkey on yer back?
Ye've slighted mony a worthy lad an a'
And Davie Siller was right intae fitba?
Prof is a title man, a pension and wage
Top of the heap, the dominant animal's wage!
The new feudal order o title and rank
They gab in ma name and run rich tae the bank!
Carruthers and Hogg should be leading the way
And no' fightin each other this weary lang day!
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rstevenson,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 18:25:37
Patrick Hogg - you must be completely mad to think anyone could be taken in by the endless drivel you have posted. It's easy to let bygones be bygones after sniping with Mackay once your adversary has died!!! He can't exactly answer back, can he?! And - I read your other nonsense on the Burns Federation forum - simply went on there to flog your book, not for any of the reasons you say now. People are allowed to try to flog their book - that's no crime - but your hypocrisy is astounding. However you were soon sent off with a flea in your ear, if I recall. Just as you should be now. Your post is the biggest lot of hogwash I have ever heard. I could rip it apart from here to eternity, but that would take too long and be way too boring and not worth the time. And so far this is not a "feud" in the press - it's just YOU! Carruthers had no commnet to make - so far. Why don't you stop banging on about suing poeople for implicating you in making nasty phone calls (does the man protest too much!) and talk about the actual accusations that I remember were made - that of "fraud", but you can't, can you? as you have no defence or you would deal with the accusations laid against you regarding what has been refered to as your "fraudulent" with the so called lost poems. You can't answer to that charge, obviously, so you are trying to confuse the issue with other nonsense about implicating you in... that wouldn't ever stand up in court - it's ruse. Anyone who pays any attention to anything you say is a fool.

 
  

 
 


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