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Published Date:
22 October 2006
ROUTINE scans given to women in labour should be scrapped, midwives have claimed in a move that has sparked fears for the safety of mothers and babies.
Gillian Smith, Scottish national officer of the Royal College of Midwives, believes the move would prevent medical staff interfering with the process of natural birth and increase women's chances of delivering their babies without forceps or Caesareans.

But doctors say the scans give them the best opportunity to see if there are problems with a baby during labour.

Around 95% of women who give birth in a Scottish hospital undergo a routine admission cardiotocograph when they arrive on the ward. The scan, also known as electronic foetal monitoring, requires the woman to lie still for at least 20 minutes. A belt strapped to the abdomen records the foetal heartbeat, alerting staff to signs of distress.

Smith says evidence suggests that healthy women with uncomplicated pregnancies do not need to undergo this examination and says it could lead to further unnecessary medical interventions, which damage the natural childbirth process.

The alternative would involve the midwife intermittently listening to the baby's heart through a hand-held device and judging herself whether it was satisfactory - a move some doctors dismiss as not being thorough enough.

Smith is heading a campaign by the RCM Scotland to reduce the number of unnecessary interventions women in labour are subjected to. She said: "Is routine electronic foetal monitoring required in every single woman? Perhaps they do not need it. Does that then start a string of interventions because the woman is strapped down and can't move about?

"There is research to prove that a woman who is up and about will labour better.

Our campaign is about trying to encourage midwives not to give in too quickly. Research tells us that women who receive one-to-one care are less likely to need analgesia and Caesareans. There is a tendency to perhaps intervene a little earlier than is actually required."

The number of Caesarean births has doubled over the past two decades. Now almost one-quarter of women have the procedure.

Forceps deliveries accounted for more than 7% of births, while ventouse, where a vacuum is used to assist birth, accounted for more than 5% of 51,803 children born in Scotland in 2004, the most recent figures available.

There is no specific Scottish guidance on the use of the scan. A report by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists found that it did not improve outcomes for women with normal pregnancies.

But doctors expressed concern, saying the scan is necessary in case of complications.

Dr David Farquharson, clinical director for women's reproductive health at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, said the practice of electronic foetal monitoring was standard in his hospital to reassure doctors and patients.

He said: "This is a very controversial area. A lot of obstetricians do not feel comfortable not having a record of foetal heart rate when the woman comes into hospital.

"The alternative is the midwife listening with a hand-held device, and that depends on her being confident on hearing it.

"The problem with that is knowing what they are listening to, then counting the beats with a watch. There is always the risk you could be taking the mother's pulse. That's a worry to obstetricians.

"That's why, from a medical point of view, they feel that recording the foetal heart rate is useful. Obstetricians like the reassurance of a normal foetal heart rate and the printout, which gives documentary evidence of foetal wellbeing.

"We are checking for the character of the foetal heart. There may be an underlying problem not picked up during pregnancy. You can check how well the placenta is working.

"When women go into labour, the baby is put under a degree of stress. If the placenta is not working as well as it should be, the additional stress of labour may cause the baby to be starved of oxygen."

Dorothy Maitland, manager of the Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Society, also backed the practice of routine scans:

"We are all for monitoring. A lot of women say they would go through the whole nine months of their pregnancy attached to a scan machine if they had to. I am not medically minded, but I think it's reassuring to know your baby's heart is beating.

"Many of the people who come to us after suffering a stillbirth say they wish they had been monitored more so they would have picked up something sooner."

Sarah Montagu, spokeswoman for the Association of Radical Midwives, said home birth has been shown in many studies to be as safe or safer than hospital for a healthy woman in a normal pregnancy.

She said: "Hospital is often presented as being safer, but many procedures routinely used in hospital have not been shown to improve safety and may indeed cause more problems than they solve. They are important if problems become evident, but the vast majority of women do not need them.

"We are fortunate that we live in a time and place when medical and technological help is available to women who genuinely need it. But it is sad when the same technology is applied to women who would be better off giving birth in a more natural environment."

'It's up to women to decide'



TESSA Rundell, a 33-year-old university administrator from Edinburgh, is thankful that doctors at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary were able to detect that her baby's heart was beating faster than normal during a routine cardiotograph.

Rundell was given close monitoring during her labour and baby Sam was born healthy and well on June 13 last year. Staff were able to keep an eye on how Sam was coping with the stress of the birth.

Rundell said: "They picked up that the baby's heartbeat had become quite rapid but they lost the signal from the belt so they put an electrode into the baby's scalp so they could monitor him during the delivery. When he was born he was fine. I didn't have any pain relief or any other intervention.

"I think it's up to women whether they want to be monitored during labour. I am glad I was monitored when Sam was born. You do worry about whether everything is going to be OK. If I was to have another baby I would take medical advice about whether I needed to be monitored again, but I do think it should be an option for women. You can say what you would like from your birth in your birth plan, so if you feel very strongly about something you can say it. But I think it should be an option available for medical staff."

Lucy Burns (pictured left with daughter Orla) chose to stay at home for the birth of her three children because she read research that it was safer for many mothers with uncomplicated pregnancies rather than going into hospital where there is a higher risk of interventions.

Burns, 34, who lives in East Lothian, has two boys and a girl. Her youngest, daughter Orla, was born in March.

Burns said: "When I speak to friends who have had hospital births it is very different. They talk about doctors and about being controlled, it seems very negative. At home I made my own decisions.

"It was up to me when I called the midwife and when I got into the pool.

"I didn't want to go to hospital and have an epidural - the thought of a needle in my spine terrifies me."

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  • Last Updated: 21 October 2006 10:37 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Pregnancy and birth
 
1

scottwebb,

22/10/2006 00:07:43

I'm sure it was not midwives that had that thought

2

Douglas,

Bathgate 22/10/2006 01:04:38

Sorry, have to stop you there, you can't say midwife according to Glasgow Council.

3

Arthur Borges,

Zhengzhou China 22/10/2006 04:33:42

In France, the number of Caesarian deliveries has risen sharply over the past 15 years or so, essentially because private-sector care needs to optimise usage of delivery rooms and physicians like to be home in time for dinner and look forward to undisturbed evenings.

4

Paul Voltaire,

22/10/2006 06:26:36

Many women also choose to have C-sections now ans see it as their right.
This should be looked at.

5

Anne,

22/10/2006 07:48:36

Let's not return to a non-interventionist, madwife-led service.
Just think what the perinatal death rates for mothers and babies used to be and what they are now.
Remember, these are the practitioners who wanted to charge mothers for epidural anaesthesia during labour.
Says it all, really - simply a form of control freakery.

6

Anne,

22/10/2006 07:49:01

Sorry - midwife.

7

Crank Parent,

Livingston 22/10/2006 08:15:59

I've had 5 babies at home (2 in water) with no visits to the hospital, no scans, no tests, no urine or blood samples taken and only minimal midwife care. On each occasion, I have been branded irresponsible by male consultants (who have never met me and don't even have a uterus) who have told me I should be induced/have a Caesarian/hospital birth and usually to coincide with their holiday plans.

Thankfully I was informed and confident enough to ignore their "opinions" and had 5 easy and quick natural labours at home with no complications amongst family, friends with my community midwife.

And before everyone jumps on me, I'm not suggesting everyone does this. My point is that pregnancy is not an illness, so unless there are genuine medical reasons to see a consultant/be in a hospital, pregnancy and birth should be centred around the mothers choice and care should be "delivered" by a community midwife.

Unecessary intervention causes problems rather than solving them.

8

Crank Parent,

Livingston 22/10/2006 08:19:15

P.S. The Lucy Burns in the article was at the birth of my youngest and is her godmother!

9

HMB,

Glasgow 22/10/2006 10:09:27

Closing maternity wards, eliminating antenatal ultrasounds and testing, reducing checkups to only 4 per pregnancy, eliminating heart monitoring during labour...if NHS Scotland had their way we'd just be issued with a towel and a clamp and be told to get it sorted ourselves at home like our forebears did.

10

Crank Parent,

Livingston 22/10/2006 10:34:49

Heather – many women still choose to do it this way for the simple reason that it's a better use of resources and you are more likely to have a successful outcome. (Statistically even unplanned homebirths are safer than going in to hospital.) Also, you don't need either a towel or a clamp for a homebirth – many women use embroidery thread to make their own tie for the cord.

11

Joanna,

Cambs 22/10/2006 14:33:48

Morag,

I agree with your comments about choice but women who need it should not be put off seeking medical attention, we are all different.

Although pregnancy itself, is not an illness it can cause very serious complications which if left untreated could result in the death of the mother or the unborn child. Routine intervention in my own case detected severe pre-eclampsia and I am enormously grateful to the dedicated medical staff who cared for me and my premature baby. If I had chosen to ignore their advice and not been hospitalised during that pregnancy the outcome, for both of us, could have been much more grave.

The most important thing at the end of the day is a healthy child and mother, however, it is achieved.

12

C.M.,

California 22/10/2006 15:06:40

Hi Joanna #11 I agree with you. My third needed to be delivered by emergency C-Sec due to a continued heart rate drop. I'm obviously thankful for the monitoring!

I also had the unfortunate experience of being on shift when a homebirthed baby was brought in by ambulance. Had the baby been born in the hospital it probably would have lived. It was born with a heart condition undetected during pregnancy...the symptoms would have been detected immediately in the hosp. and he would have been brought to the special care unit.

Homebirth/Natural birth for most part can be a wonderful experience...but like our forebears had to endure, I believe the consequences/stakes are higher and should be counted.

13

What a Farce,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 18:50:58

In answer to Melanie and re the homebirth baby with the heart defect. "it probably would have lived if it had been born in hospital" And you know that for a fact do you? In your experience as a Cardiologist I presume? I'm sorry to sound harsh but it's stories like this which are speculation being spouted as fact that only serve to further medicalise childbirth and disempower women. The woman in the article who's baby "thankfully had a fast heartrate picked up" Was she told the significance of this or did her baby normally have a fast heart rate? We'll probably never know because this women is unlikely to have had continuity of carer throughout her pregnancy who would be likely to know that information. She has been subjected to sausage factory conveyor belt maternity care which "thankfully saved the life of her baby" *eyeroll*. Wake up people!!

14

Carol,

22/10/2006 21:02:10

Ehm, Carrie #13, as Melanie #12 says - the homebirth baby" PROBABLY would have lived if it had been born in hospital". Note the use of the key word "probably". She does not claim to "know that as a fact". It seems as though you care more for defending your own opinions and cause than for the life af a baby.

15

creche user Leith,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 21:12:07

My daughter was born my c-section at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary. I attribute this largely to the fact that when we arrived we were put on a monitor and told (after an hour or so, the midwives were changing shift, no-one would stay with us and as my daughter and I both moved there wasn't a continuous 20 minute record which they saw as essential) that the trace indicated distress. I had my waters broken, was put on a drip which caused incredibly painful contractions and after several hours had a section. When I became pregnant again I met a consultant to talk over the notes, she admitted that the trace wasn't conclusive. I accept that my daughter was in distress by the time of the section, but attribute it to the interventions inflicted on us.

For my second labour I had no CTG. I had met in advance with a Supervisor of Midwives who agreed that in most cases it was completely unecessary and that intermittent monitoring with handheld devices was much better. In the end, I didn't even have that as I turned up at hospital ready to push.

16

Natasha,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 21:15:21

I would love to know what sort of expertise the people who are making all these negative childbirth comments have that deems them more knowledgable than all the research that has been carried out to show that continuous monitoring DOES NOT improve outcomes. If there is a problem with a baby's heartrate it is picked up by intermittent listening in. It's not a case of continuous monitoring or none at all! The NICE guidelines for England and Wales recommend low risk women do not have an admission CTG done, so most hospitals don't do them. Why are Scottish doctors so conceited to think that they know better than all the research?

17

creche user Leith,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 21:16:37

PS - and another thing!

Tessa Rundell's comments about the scalp electrode make it seem a very minor intervention. My daughter had a scalp electrode. If a woman's waters have not broken, then they need to be broken for the electrode to be attached. Many hospitals then start counting hours and have policies to intervene because the waters have gone (despite NICE guidelines). When my daughter was born she had bloody marks on her head from where the electrode had been attached, I felt awful looking at them and thinking that I had agreed to it without knowing what it meant. She was born with an apgar score of 9, despite her distress.

18

skye,

California 22/10/2006 21:29:36

How many babies die or are injured in the hospital, when they would probably not have such happen at home? This works both ways, and research is pretty soundly in favour of homebirth being safer in normal pregnancy and birth.

Furthermore, the man who invented the CTG machine states very clearly that he never meant it to be used in this way. It was meant to be used only in case of distress, never routinely. (I have a videotaped speech from him on the subject of misuse of his invention)

19

Sparkles,

Glasgow 22/10/2006 21:47:24

What midwives want is for routine CTG's to be abandoned as they have been shown NOT to improve outcomes but DO increase intervention and C Section rates. Listening in to the fetal heart imtermittantly does allow the midwife to detect abnormalities, in which case a CTG would be initiated or further action taken if necessary. Listening intermittantly also allows the labouring woman to move around freely which can be beneficial.

CTG's were introduced before they were properly researched, now they have been shown to do more harm than good in normal labours, they should indeed be abandoned.

20

What a Farce,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 22:41:48

To Carol #14. Probably is a very strong word in itself and intimates that the outcome she suggested was likely. I stick by my comments that it is anecdoates such as these that perpetuate the myth that birth is a dangerous event only proven normal in retrospect.

I am sorry, but what in my previous comment indicated that I cared more for my opinions than the life of a baby?!? What a truly ridiculous statement to make. As a midwife my job is to put the lives of the mother and baby at the forefront of my care and that INCLUDES not subjecting them to unnecessary interventions which iatrogenically can cause more harm. When women stop reading tosh such as today's SoS article and do proper research for themselves then maybe, just maybe they can empower themselves and take back their birth rights from the paternatilistic medical profession.

21

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2006 23:09:09

#16 At end off day woman know their bodies best!
For far to long the medical profession have had the mental idea "if not perfect birth lying on back" lets intervene! "ohh yes cut her open""get the forceps out" bla,bla
The worst posistion in the first place for a woman to have baby is "on her back" Ghaaaaa dont need to be a medic to know that one!!!
But what do the NHS do? yes you got it "lie on you back" girls!! "thick or what?"
Of course ul get a "backlash" from woman
I think midwifes new idea is good! for there to be a change!
A change from the 19canteen "MUPPETS" that go by the book and "cant see past go"(ohh thats what we were taught! in 2006) even its wrong! its teaching from 40years ago!
Im not saying all NHS marterity care is like this but a "RADICAL SHAKE UP" wouldent go amiss!
And this is a start to 2sides off coin!
Not "POTATO HEAD DOCTOR" Ohh we dont believe in that! cause woman have to be all the same!
"GODS SAKE WAKE UP MUPPETS" WOMAN ARENT MACHINES!!
Every birth should be treated with respect to mummy to be and baby and not to some "factory line setting"
And i hope Dr Farquharson takes "note"

22

C.M.,

California 23/10/2006 04:43:49

Hi Carol #14, thankyou...actually, I was paraphrasing the Neonatologist in his dialogue with the SCBU/NICU nurses, regarding the post-mortem.

Hi Carrie #20 I'm sure you are dedicated to your profession, as am I. I'm all for the woman's Informed choice as to how to birth her child, regardless of the location. Perhaps something can be negotiated, with less hostility, that is beneficial to both birthing mothers and medical staff.

Skye #18 "How many babies die or are injured in the hospital, when they would probably not have such happen at home?".....
The hospital where I work averages 500/month deliveries...and as our NICU isn't full with all these injured infants...please, where are you getting your statistics??

23

Crank Parent,

Livingston 23/10/2006 07:15:58

Skye –

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/313/7068/...

Conclusion:
Healthy low risk women who wish to deliver at home have no increased risk either to themselves or to their babies.

Key messages:
Interventions (induction, caesarean section, medication, forceps, or vacuum extraction) may be considerably less frequent in women who originally opt for home delivery
There are no obvious disadvantages of home delivery for mother or child when the mother opts for home delivery

24

T,

Edinburgh 23/10/2006 10:35:31

I never knew there were so many experts in this field read the Scotsman. I have had good experiences and bad with all my children. I have friends who have had good experiences and bad and some with fatal outcomes. Who is to say the use of the foetal monitoring is right or wrong. If it is your choice to stay at home with no intervention then good for you. If it is your choice to go into hospital and have the support of such equipment then all well and good. Surely it is a personal thing and if the mother (after all, is she and the child she is trying to deliver not the important ones here) wishes to and is happy to be monitored, whether it be for 20 minutes or for 2 hours then let her be monitored. Stress is a big player in childbirth too and if you are stressing about the state of your unborn child then surely this is no good. I don't see why things have to change in the way of policy reforms. Just let the mothers decide - please.

25

What a Farce,

Edinburgh 23/10/2006 13:23:40

To T #24. I absolutely agree with you T that it should be up to the mothers to decide but there is the matter of INFORMED choice. Every woman admitted to the hospital I work at is told they have to have an admission CTG. The few who question why are told it is for the benefit of their baby and to check that their baby is healthy but all that CTG tells us is that in that 20 minute period the baby is fine. Women are not told that, in fact, the evidence on the use of routine CTG's will actually INCREASE their chance of intervention and instrumental delivery and that in actual fact CTG is not a reliable indicator of fetal wellbeing.

My point is that Yes, women should be given the choice but women are blindly accepting what the medical profession are telling them and that information is often either false, not evidence based or out of date and the women just accept it as fact. In what other aspect of life would you blindly accept information at face value without checking it out? We put our trust in the Doctors because we believe they are the experts when in actual fact the expert is the woman herself because she is the one who knows her body best and midwives who are the guardians of normal birth. As a society we have allowed the medical profession to take control of birth and attempt to make it a controllable event.

In reply to Melanie's comment #22. I did not mean to come across as hostile to you Melanie. I was merely angry that you were giving an anecdote of something you had experienced and fair enough you were using the words that were used to you, but this is EXACTLY what I mean - these are the type of stories that are bound about as FACT when in actual fact, in a lot of these cases the outcome would have been exactly the same regardless of place of birth but it is very easy for the doctors to say, ach well, if you had been here we could have done something about it. Sad fact of life - sometimes babies die and sometimes there is nothin

26

Joanna,

Cambs 23/10/2006 15:35:21

Speaking from personal experience, only, and during a lengthy and worrying stay in hospital while I was pregnant I have to say that I welcomed the foetal monitor and I was always reasurred when I heard my son's heartbeat. If it helps some mothers to cope with anxiety and stress (even if self inflicted - as it probably was in my case) then I think there is a case for foetal monitoring.

27

skye,

California 23/10/2006 17:00:16

Melanie: is your NICU full of babies who were born at home? Being that the majority of babies are born in hospital, I would presume that the majority of babies in NICU were hospital births.

Certain problems can only occur in hospital; bruising from ventouse or forceps, distress due to epidural or induction, complications from c-sec for instance, and while there are babies who are saved or whose outcomes are improved by these interventions, the majority of babies upon whom they are performed are not helped and may be hindered by them. A great deal of the injuries that I refer to are subtle but nonetheless are a fact.

What is the c-sec rate in the hospital in which you work?

28

Cheryl,

Oregon, USA 23/10/2006 17:32:28

The Tessa Rundell example in this appears to me as a reason not to have routine scans. Her baby's heart rate was high but there was no problem with labor and birth. So this unnecessary procedure will just show normal variations and get people worried about nothing.

29

Willoa,

NI 23/10/2006 18:25:07

In my case a routine ultrasound scan picked up a *possible* indicator of pre-eclampsia. Then ONE high-ish blood pressure reading (returned to normal and stayed there following that reading) caused complete panic leading to an induction and monitoring every 20mins. Due to failure to progress I had a c-section. Baby had to be taken away immediately due to breathing problems resulting from the method of birth, also then started vomiting so stomach was pumped. I first held my baby 12 hours after he was born. Never sucessfully breastfed, also as a result of the CS.

Simply a case of one intervention leading to the next. I hated continous monitoring as it distracted me from focusing on the labour. Instead I was focusing on every bleep that *&%$#ing machine made, stressing about whether baby's heartbeat was normal or not.

I will never go near a hospital again. They ruined what should have been the happiest moment of my life. Instead I spent my first night as a mother, alone, in the dark and high on pain medication. More than 6 months of battling post-natal depression followed.

30

Kam,

Edinburgh 23/10/2006 18:37:03

Cheryl, I couldn't agree more: it was a very poor example to use in support of routine electronic fetal monitoring (EFM).

I was very disappointed with the standard of the whole article, and felt it was a wasted opportunity to explore an important, and controversial, aspect of care.

I am very surprised that Dr Farquharson was quoted implying that the use of sonicaids (the hand-held monitor) was more likely to pick up the maternal pulse: in my experience that is more of an issue with EFM, due to loss of contact during contractions, and resulting in further unnecessary interventions. EFM does not show "how well the placenta is working", although it may be a reflection. I do hope that Dr Farquharson was misquoted in making such simplistic and patronising statements.

I have known women to have unnecessary c. sections due to poor interpretation of EFM, and indeed, C. sections that should have been performed earlier, for the same reason. I have known of a woman whose EFM appeared to show a "healthy" baby, when in fact the monitor was faulty, and the baby had died several days before. I have seen a monitor print out a fairly normal-looking fetal heart rate pattern, when it was not attached to anything.

Homebirth, and it's relative safety, seemed to be mentioned without sticking to the subject: why are outcomes at homebirth as good, if not better, for women with normal pregnancies and labour, when continous monitoring is not used? Such a glaring ommision. Maybe I missed it, must go back and read it again.

My opinion is that whichever technology is used, it should be used appropriately, and the user (midwife or obstetrician) must be thoroughly educated in its use. I think women should have a choice, but need to be made aware of the associated risks.

Unfortunately, I found the whole article difficult to take seriously from the start: who ever refers to fetal monitoring as "scans"??

31

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/10/2006 20:51:12

#25Carrie Quote "interesting debate"
Just shows how unhappy a lot of woman are treated!
And as i said "Radical Shake up" wouldent go amiss!
Bet if it was the "MEN" having babies! they wouldent stand for "half of it" and so why should you woman?
And by the way im a guy but had loads knowledge through experence
Judging by te responce that Scotland on Sunday have had on this article a change in attitude wouldent be to soon and woman would no longer be left to "feel like mice" when it comes to childbirth!!

32

C.M.,

California 24/10/2006 03:22:30

Hi Skye #27 sorry, I just thought your comment was a bit of a 'blanket statement'. We've had a few homebirthed come in to the SCBU/NICU, usually resp. with underlying cardiac. But, in the 5yrs there, 500+ hosp births/mo, I've seen very few 'deliv. related injuries' admitted to our unit.

The one issue I agree with is the increase in C-secs. We do get resp. related admissions with those. I don't have our stats but I do believe C-secs have increased even from last year. I do wonder how many are women avoiding the vag.del. and how many are 'convenience' for the MD.

Our hosp has just opened up a birthing center which is more family oriented and promotes a natural birthing atmosphere with medical pers. avail. should problems arise. To be honest, I think that's the best of both worlds.

All and all, it still needs to be the woman's Informed choice.

33

John,

california 24/10/2006 03:27:01

Hi Skye #27 sorry, I just thought your comment was a bit of a 'blanket statement'. We've had a few homebirthed come in to the SCBU/NICU, usually resp. with underlying cardiac. But, in the 5yrs there, 500+ hosp births/mo, I've seen very few 'deliv. related injuries'.

The one issue I agree with is the increase in C-secs. We do get resp. related admissions with those. I don't have our stats but I do believe C-secs have increased even from last year. I do wonder how many are women avoiding the vag.del. and how many are 'convenience' for the MD.

Our hosp has just opened up a birthing center which is more family oriented and promotes a natural birthing atmosphere with medical pers. avail. should problems arise. To be honest, I think that's the best of both worlds.

All and all, it still needs to be the woman's Informed choice.

34

Liana,

NY 24/10/2006 12:57:34

It seems an oversight not to mention one critical difference between the midwifery care involved in intermittant monitoring - that is having direct physical contact and interaction with the mom as well as listening to the fetal heart and feeling the contractions...and the physicians who do none of the above and trust in what they do - the technology of the machine that takes the place of human interaction. both are correct in their own right. It is unlikely that physicians will begin sitting by moms in labor...And some moms will feel more secure with human monitoring and some with machine. Such is the 21st century so far! Both are not 100% definitive. Both are subject to interpretation, and then decision making. And that comes back to the care provider and relationship with mom...women must choose where they put their trust in birthing their babies...

35

Mel,

Edinburgh 25/10/2006 12:34:58

Post at #29 - I experienced very dangerous pre-eclampsia when having my son and the interventions at the hospital saved his and probably my life. The conditions you describe for your own delivery probably say more about the fact that in the US (and getting more like that in the UK) if they had taken a chance and not done a C-section resulting in the death of you or your baby, your family would no doubt be suing the hospital for lots of money! Rejoice in the fact that you had a healthy baby, a lot more than a lot of women manage.

36

What a Farce,

Edinburgh 25/10/2006 13:38:58

To Mel #35, No-one is denying Mel that interventions are sometimes necessary and in the case of severe pre-eclampsia there is more often than not justification in intervenening and expediting birth of the baby. However, this debate is about routine CTG's for ALL women and whether or not they are necessary. In the case of pre-eclampsia there are other signs/symptoms/tests that would indicate PE long before a woman got near a CTG machine.

Glad your birth outcome was a good one.

37

Amanda,

England 25/10/2006 19:07:13

"Routine" ctg are not done in other parts of the UK. I am a midwife and work in a busy consultant unit. We use hand held dopplers and pinnards. If in our clinical judgement, we need to use a ctg, we will use it. If not it has been shown to be DETRIMENTAL to mother and baby.

The NICE guidelines are online for anyone to read.

I am appalled and offended by the suggestion by the Dr in this article that a midwife would not know the difference between maternal and fetal pulse when using doppler / pinnard. We do take the woman's pulse too - its not difficult !!! In fact the ctg is more likely to pick up maternal heartbeat instead of fetal. If you use the pinnard you can only hear it it over the fetal shoulder - he has probably never used one.


 

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