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Published Date: 22 June 2008
THE UN nuclear watchdog chief warned yesterday that any military strike on Iran could turn the Middle East into a "ball of fire" and lead Iran to a more aggressive stance on its controversial nuclear programme.
After US officials said they believed recent large Israeli military exercises may have been meant to show Israel's ability to hit Iran's nuclear sites, Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said: "In my opinion, a milita
ry strike will be the worst... it will turn the Middle East to a ball of fire."

It also could prompt Iran to press even harder to seek a nuclear programme, and force him to resign, he said.

Iran also criticised the Israeli exercises. A government spokesman reportedly said the exercises demonstrate Israel "jeopardises global peace and security".

Israel sent warplanes and other aircraft on a major exercise in the eastern Mediterranean earlier this month, US military officials said on Friday.

Israel's military refused to confirm or deny the manoeuvres were practice for a strike in Iran, saying only that it regularly trains for various missions to counter threats to the country.

But the exercise in the first week of June may have been meant as a show of force as well as a practice on skills needed to execute a long-range strike mission, one US official said.

The New York Times quoted officials as saying that more than 100 Israeli F-16s and F-15s staged the manoeuvre, flying more than 900 miles, roughly the distance from Israel to Iran's Natanz nuclear enrichment facility, and that the exercise included refuelling tankers and helicopters capable of rescuing downed pilots.

Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert has said he would rather Iran's nuclear ambitions be halted by diplomatic means, but has pointedly declined to rule out military action.

The US also says it is seeking a peaceful, diplomatic resolution to the threat the West sees from Iran's nuclear programme, although US officials also have refused to take the threat of military action off the table.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refused to comment on the Israeli manoeuvres in an interview with National Public Radio yesterday but said: "We are committed to a diplomatic course." Russia's foreign minister warned on Friday against the use of force on Iran, saying there is no proof it is trying to build nuclear weapons with the programme, which Tehran says is for generating power.



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  • Last Updated: 21 June 2008 11:17 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Iran , Middle East conflict
 
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Muskrat,

22/06/2008 00:50:24
Doesn't Mohamed ElBaradei have an Iranian wife? Come to think of it, he never was suitable for the job he's supposed to be doing with the IAEA, too many biases.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 22/06/2008 00:57:26
Too many biases and too many payoffs.
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Muskrat,

22/06/2008 01:14:18
Unfortunately, payoffs are all too common, virtue is not a qualification for the job. Elbaradei's wife is a first cousin of one of Iran's most powerful people, Ayatollah Mahdavi Kani.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/06/2008 02:19:22
All I can say to respond to the first 3 posts is "The world can thank its lucky stars that the UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief is not an Israeli or American.

Bias would take on a different meaning altogether and the world would be in for another round of needless bloodletting.
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Dema,

Canada 22/06/2008 04:26:36
There does seem to be a conflict of interest here. ElBaradei cannot be neutral toward Iran because of his wife's relationship to Mahdavi Kani. How much influence does Elbaradei's wife have on him? Her cousin is the head of the Iranian Militant Clerics Association, one of the main political groups in Iran's Theo-Nazi government, a very powerful man.
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 05:10:28
Why is it that so few people, especially Americans, complain about the fact that the terrorist state of Israel has 3-400 nuclear weapons, and refuses to sign the NPT? This is the same state that is in breach of literally hundreds of UNGA and Security Council resolutions.

Why are there no international sanctions imposed on the terrorist state of Israel? Why are the Americans still supplying them with money (e.g. the $30 billion given to them recently by the war criminal Bush, to buy more weapons).

Do the Israelis intend to take on Pakistan after they bomb Iran? After all, it too is a Muslim nation, with nuclear power, and nuclear weapons.

It is time that the international community woke up and realised just how dangerous the terrorist state of Israel is, to both the Middle East and to the world.

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 22/06/2008 05:10:38
Dema, you can't tell that to LHTT...he would find an excuse for it..find a reason to appease it, and then at the same time spew out all the hatred for America and Israel.. Of course this is their fault, becasue theyare at the cause of all the world's problems according to LHTT and his ilk.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/06/2008 08:18:03
1,2,3,5,7

Why are you peple so bent on attacking a country that hasn't invaded or attacked anyone else in centuries?

If the fault lies anywhere as to why Iran is how it is, it is America's.

You people so conveniently overlook the US overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran and the installation of a crazy despot.

I'm beginning to wonder if you people will ever get anything right.

#7 Lynne

I don't hate America but you obviously hate Iran. It's time you took a long hard look at yourself.
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bill2,

22/06/2008 08:36:10
Fortunately very few Americans are like Lynne, or the planet would have been blown sky-high by now.

The ordinary people of the USA do have some residual control over the Bush gang, so he has to use his Israeli attack dogs to do the dirty work.

Unfortunately, McCain (bombbombbombbombiran) shows every sign of being an even bigger criminal than Bush, if that were possible.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/06/2008 08:40:57
"Why are you people so bent on attacking a country that hasn't invaded or attacked anyone else in centuries?"

....I'll answer that for you:

1. Because you can't help it.

2. You don't like the look of Ahmadinejad.

3. You find the possibility of Iran having a greater influence in the middle east than the US demeaning.

4. Because you are a bunch of schoolyard bullies.

5. Because the Jewish lobby in the US will have a significant influence in the republican vote in the upcoming election.

6. Because you've got bigger and more guns than anyone else and you like to point them at people.

7. The gun culture on the US mainland is ripe for export.

It would be better for the world if you used your guns on yourselves, as is quite common, than other nations.


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Linus,

at arm's length 22/06/2008 09:14:19
Let's have the truth,
Quit trying to make sense and quit trying to tell the truth. You're confusing the American rednecks in this forum, the truth doesn't fit into their little photo album, and sense just doesn't wash. They go through life with the 'blinders' on, hiding behind their military and spending all their money on 'defence'. They just go through life patting themselves on the back for 'a job well done', and tell the rest of us that we have it all wrong. Don't you just wish that we also had these suicidal young people shooting up our schools and showing the rest of the world what a peaceful society we have, just because we have more guns than everybody?
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Silence of the Yams,

22/06/2008 10:39:42
The regular unwashed, anti Israel, anti American, soft on terror, pro Islamist, pro Taleban, Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran posters are getting a tad worried, eh? I suggest the likes of A-nus and Muga strap on their suicide belts and make a dash for their virgin quota while stocks last!
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 11:13:35
#12 Yam Brain.

As one of the unwashed, uneducated rednecks, you would know. Why don't you give me an e-mail address and I'll send you a copy of the Yearly Update on Rednecks.

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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:21:20
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Would Israel go it alone without US backing?
I doubt it.
Israel acts like a wee boy in a playground when his big brother is his watching his back.
Its pathetic.
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Cerberus,

Hades 22/06/2008 11:29:01
L-Y-N-N-E

A Nobel prize winning man, selected by the US/UN for the task is now accused by you of pay offs; no evidence, again, I notice. The only evidence you seem to require is "He is not performing his role as creator of an excuse to kill humans."

Mohamed ElBaradei has repeatedly stated, unequivocally, that Iran IS NOT making nuclear weapons. If you were remotely interested in truth and justice you would simply visit the IAEA site and read the latest report.

The HEAD of IAEA says that IRAN IS NOT MAKING Nuke Bombs.

Deal with it.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:31:14
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And the regular unwashed bacca chewing foreskin rippin zionist yeehah inbred terrorist supporters are off again on their never ending blood lust and war mongering.
Its about the oil dummy and Israelli foreign policy.
Your being led by your nose in support of Israelli security and control of natural resourses.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:50:40
Why are all of the stories on Israel blocked from comments?
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:54:08
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Or feardies like you who cant debate or face the truth eh?
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 12:23:11
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Lost the arguement already eh? trying to get this blog closed as well? what a troll.
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Silence of the Yams,

22/06/2008 12:25:38
Zoosexual I reckon, him and his verminous pal Muga! Small furry creatures beware!
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Linus,

at arm's length 22/06/2008 12:39:08
#25 Mister N,
The name Big Jock McDoc says it all, he's trying to hide his obvious shortcomings behind his chosen name.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 12:39:42
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So just exactly what is it you think is happening in Scotland then that relates to this story?
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 12:40:25
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A troll by any other name is still a troll.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 13:18:07
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You accusing anybody of bias is just unbelievably flabbergasting. I dont believe there is any other poster so blinkered or predudice on any of these blogs than yourself.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/06/2008 13:26:08
On a slightly different but appropriate theme:

By Eric Margolis

PARIS -- The ugly truth behind the Iraq and Afghanistan wars finally has emerged.

Four major western oil companies, Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP and Total are about to sign U.S.-brokered no-bid contracts to begin exploiting Iraq's oil fields.

Saddam Hussein had kicked these firms out three decades ago when he nationalized Iraq's oil industry. The U.S.-installed Baghdad regime is welcoming them back.

Iraq is getting back the same oil companies that used to exploit it when it was a British colony.

As former fed chairman Alan Greenspan recently admitted, the Iraq war was all about oil. The invasion was about SUV's, not democracy.

Afghanistan just signed a major deal to launch a long-planned, 1,680-km pipeline project expected to cost $8 billion. If completed, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline (TAPI) will export gas and later oil from the Caspian basin to Pakistan's coast where tankers will transport it to the West.
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Neil,

Glasgow 22/06/2008 13:40:35
My suspicion is that a lot of the "speculative bubble" in the oil price is fear that Bush will launch a major bombing strike on Iran, which, as a result would not only close off its own oil supplies but be able to stop any tankers going through the fairly narrow entrance to the Gulf. If so that speculative bubble may have been big enough to discourage him from ending his presidency that way.

Or it may not.
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Hemingway,

Ayr 22/06/2008 14:06:01
#40 Tiang

Precisely, people like Mister, Guga, bill2, and others turn those threads into anti-Semitic boards spewing their hate of Jews.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 15:32:35
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So if the choice is with Iran and they say dont bomb does that mean there is no chance of them getting bombed then?

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Thats a fair point actually the first I have ever seen from a zionist neocon. Iran could do themselves a favour by joining in International aid to unfortunate counties mind you I dont ever remember Israel joining in any International aid initiatives do you?

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So who is it that I am supposed to hate apart from the ignorant on these blogs?
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 15:50:34
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Sarkozy is a neocon which explains his parties affiliation with the Bush regime. He doesnt however represent the majority view of his country a bit like our Gordon. If Sarkozy gets France involved with this so called war on terror then he can kiss his political a*se goodbye at the next elections.

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Is that your opinion then? and what do you think it is worth more or less than the FED chairmans?
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Laurie A.,

22/06/2008 15:55:28
We should be very suspicious of anything that comes out of the IAEA. They failed to detect Iraq's nuclear weapons programs in the 1980s and, much more recently, Libya's.

Mr. El Baradei did not protest when Iran repeatedly banned the best and toughest inspectors in the IAEA from entering Iran by denying them the visas they needed to do their job.



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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 16:01:03
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"We should be very suspicious of anything that comes out of the IAEA"

Because its not controlled by zionist neocons?

"They failed to detect Iraq's nuclear weapons programs in the 1980s and, much more recently, Libya's."

Thats because there wasnt one. And the best being Americans (CIA) of course?
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LD,

22/06/2008 16:53:16
#45 MisterN

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"We should be very suspicious of anything that comes out of the IAEA"

Because its not controlled by zionist neocons?


Why shouldn't we be suspicious of anything that comes out of the IAEA?
Because its' controlled and headed by Mohamed ElBaradei who has an Iranian wife?
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 17:09:23
#41. Perhaps you should check up on who the Semitic races are. I think you'll find that the Arabs are also Semitic.

Why is it that nondescripts, like yourself, who are unable to muster a decent argument, always try and play the race card. Our argument is not with the Semitic race, or even the Jewish part of that race; our argument is with the Zionists that run the terrorist state of Israel, as well as their American paymasters.



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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 17:13:41
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So if he had a Jewish wife that would be ok then?
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 17:21:19
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That posts smacks of hatred to me. Try practicing what you preach then maybe we wouldnt be able to accuse you of being a hipocrite as well as an hate filled Islamaphobe.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 17:23:38
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what about the other members where are their wives from? Should all public bodies and organisations only be affiliated with certain "appoved" countries then?
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LD,

22/06/2008 17:33:49
#49/51 MisterN

Get a life! Mohamed ElBaradei's wife is an Iranian; that has nothing to do with your new brought up topic of being Jewish and from where the other members' wives!
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Cobbie,

Manitoba 22/06/2008 17:56:04
Libya's Col. Qadhdhafi, on 19 December, 2003, admitted that Libya had pursued a covert nuclear weapons program. Prior to this admission Libya had continually lied to and mislead the IAEA to cover the real scope and intent of its nuclear program and the IAEA chose to believe the lies rather than rock the boat, which may well be what's happening presently with their dealings with Iran.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 22/06/2008 20:15:21
#15 Deal with the fact the UN is the most corrupt organization there is. The amount of payoffs just in the Oil-for-Food scandal alone proves this point.
The fact that the UN troops are responsible for the rapes and killing of women and children should alone tell you, that its charities are probably the only parts of the UN that MAY BE working.
It is time for the UN to fold up it's tent, and leave NY, go the way of the League of Nations.

A parallel organization should be made with ONLY democracies involved..if you are so worried.
This organization (UN) is an utter failure, as it sits by and allows one group of people to threaten the very existence of another group of people and do nothing about it, but try and punish the very people being threatened.
Enough..pay their parking fines, turn in their diplomatic plates and get lost in another country that wants them.
Heavens knows NY could turn the building into profit-making, tax-paying Condos or Co-Ops..


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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 22/06/2008 20:16:11
#17 because of people like you.
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Cerberus,

Hades 22/06/2008 21:11:16
L-Y-N-N-E

I'm sure you are aware that the military wing of the US of A also kill and rape. They do it in a highly organised manner plus they also torture people.

I agree that the UN needs a substantial overhaul. The very first thing that should be altered in the ridiculous power of VETO.

If it wasnt for the US veto, there would be no nuclear weapons in the Middle East.

The idea that democracy is some kind of enlightened state of civilisation is moot anyway, but the idea that the US of A and UK are democratic is an absurdity. Look at the last few elections in each country.

So to the notion that the US of A and UK want to spread democracy. If these nations wanted to spread democracy, why do they constantly pull down democratic initiatives: such as pre-USSR invasion Afghanistan and Chavezs government? (to name but two). The US funded the very people in Afghanistan that didnt want democracy or eduction for women etc (that were in evidence at that time). The US funded a coup against Chavez and tried to install a non democratically elected , pro US, replacement. So, its a nonsense to claim that a/the US of A is democratic and b/ wants democracy in other areas of the world.

There is also the problem with the idea that the world should adopt a system based upon a UK principle of control rather than representation. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for lunch. Other areas of the world have their own way of doing things. Surely you wouldnt deny them the right to be free to select their own system of government?

Back to the UN. The Security Council is made up of 15 countries. 11 of the current members are functioning democracies operating within a non democratic UN system (the veto is undemocratic).

This article is about Iran, a democratic country with 50% female attendance in tertiary education, a poverty rate that is similar to the US of A and a nation that hasnt started a war in over 300 years.Its also a nation that has welcomed in a
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Cerberus,

Hades 22/06/2008 21:11:51
L-Y-N-N-E

continued

This article is about Iran, a democratic country with 50% female attendance in tertiary education, a poverty rate that is similar to the US of A and a nation that hasnt started a war in over 300 years.Its also a nation that has welcomed in any UN inspectors. Isreal, on the other hand, insisted on having inspectors from only the US of A, and even then they hid things from the group.

I cannot understand why you would say that the UN is an utter failure when its current system of veto has protected Israel from sanctions so many times.

(sorry, apostrophe key broken).
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 21:25:38
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Read the posts first then comment not the other way around.

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Admitted it to who? is it on public record?

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Iran is a country not an opinion or a statement of fact.

55 numbnuts

Never met the woman.

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True but then they dont have the monopoly on corruption do they? Name me one government in this world that isnt?

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Youre the biggest complainer to the moderator on these blogs thats well known dearie.
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Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 22/06/2008 22:20:30
You've got to love the audacity. Lynne wants an organization that runs parallel to the UN, but comprising only democracies.

She obviously doesn't see the irony, as the US would not be allowed to join such an organization. She lives in a former democracy and hasn't yet awoken to that fact. (Of course, living in perhaps the most anti-democratic state might have blinded her to reality.)
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Cobbie,

Manitoba 22/06/2008 22:47:18
MisterN 60: You really will have to try and keep up, there was no end of info. on radio, tv, and newspaper coverage on Libya's admission that they were trying to build the 'bomb'. The Scotsman had several articles, see their December 22, 2003 story 'Gaddafi: Send U.N. Inspectors'' Now, that's all the clues I'm going to give you, good luck!
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Carolyn 1,

22/06/2008 22:58:27
#61 Alec
McCain spoke of a league of free nations a month ago:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OR8DTG0&show_article=1

I think it makes sense.
I think a League of Democracies would be productive; by working together the free nations could accomplish great achievements for their people; and, without being bound and tied by corruption and the veto of the dictators at the UN, they could more freely extend a hand to more countries who need our help.

By the way, it's you who doesn't see the irony: you're living in a state under the thumb of corrupt Chicago Politics, not Lynne.
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MisterN,

Edinburgh 22/06/2008 23:29:38
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No evidence then eh? imagine my shock.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 23:32:41
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You may be right only problem will be in finding any democracies let alone "free nations" to form a league. I wouldnt even know where to begin looking certainly no on this planet anyway.
I wish I was a dreamer and fantasist but all I can see is reality.
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Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 22/06/2008 23:39:10
The state is under the thumb of Chicago politics? Chicago rules the state? Chicago allowed a bunch of partisans to block vote counts? Chicago has high-ranking officials of a political party overseeing state-wide voting procedures?

Having lived in Chicago for many years, I have learned how power works - and I get my information from unaligned sources. (Nor will you find me spouting the Chicago-line.)

As usual, you missed the point: Florida has played a leading role in destroying our nation's democracy.

You're living in a dream world.

Doesn't matter what McCain (or anyone else) spoke of - or when. It doesn't change the facts: the US is *not* the democracy you like to say it is, and it would not qualify for membership in an organization of democratic countries. Whether the idea does or does not make sense is something I never commented on. (What *you* 'think' is less interesting than what my budgies think.)

Start with: a democracy cannot function without a free and unbiased press. We don't have such. We have corporate media that 'report' only what will benefit corporations. We have a president, vice president, etc., that lie and are not challenged by the corporate media. They aren't challenged by the corporatists in the Democratic phony opposition, either.

We would be blocked from joining a league of democracies: that's what I said; that's what I meant; that's what I repeat. We are living in a former democracy.

You are as blind - and as gullible - as Lynne.
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MisterN,

Scotland 22/06/2008 23:56:19
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Neither Lynne nor Caroline are blind nor gullible they are simply party political and will lie through their teeth on public forums in order to support their agendas. They dont care about the rights or wrongs of their support and no amount of arguement or even evidence will make them admit theyre wrong about anything Daithi is another party political animal and will argue nonsense and bullsh*t til she's blue in the face without regard to truth justice and the American way.
But it can be entertaining to see them tripping over themselves with their incoherant babbling.
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right of center,

Chicago 23/06/2008 00:06:42
#66 Alec in Chicago

I see you are still part of the blame America first group of haters.

Of course we are not a democracy, name one country that is? Nothing would ever get done in a democracy. The USA has a representative government.
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MisterN,

Scotland 23/06/2008 00:33:37
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anti Jew hatred? does that mean you think I hate folk who are anti Jewish?
Probably not obviously a typo so where have I expressed my so called hatred for Judasim?
I am agnostic and have no feelings whatsoever for any religion good or bad its all nonsense to me but I cant stand ignorance and biggotry and sadly these blogs are full of both and from the same body of posters.
People who express criticism of Israelli foreign policy are not "Jew haters".
A Jew hater is somebody who expresses his hatred for Judaism and Jews in general not somebody who expresses their disgust at the politics of zionism and its disregard for democracy rule of international law and common decency.

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You dont even know what a terrorist is.
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MisterN,

Scotland 23/06/2008 00:34:31
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Oh NA NA NANANA grow up.
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MisterN,

Scotland 23/06/2008 01:53:02
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So you have no examples of Jew hatred to show us then? just empty accusations instead of counter arguement on my comments why dont you stop yer crying and baseless finger pointing and come up with a point of view or an arguement worthy of debate or is that too much to expect?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 23/06/2008 03:08:18
#39

"Whether Iran gets bombed by the US, Israel, or anyone else has always been Iran's choice".

What a stupid comment. Iran has signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty and their right is to use nuclear power for peaceful purposes whereas Israel, regardless of if they've signed it or any other treaty, is in possession of 200-300 nuclear bombs.

You, like Lynne and a few others here need to take a long look at yourselves.

...Should Iranians elect a better looking president to avoid getting bombed as that seems to be your main beef with them?

Remember, there are plenty of uglies in both the US and Israeli governments.

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Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 23/06/2008 04:11:52
#67

They are, in fact, evil, lying, hate-mongering, un-American neocon Bush-supporters. (As is far far 'right-of-center' - e.g., #68)

They are members of the remaining 25% of 'Americans' that refuse to see the truth about the evil creatures that control our government, that have been turning the US into a fascist state.
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Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 23/06/2008 04:21:09
#68

Blame America first? Hardly. I blame the un-American Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc., plus the Congress that enables them, the multi-nationals that own the government, the neocons in the populace, the rabid phony religious right-wing fringe loonies, the bewildered real Republicans that are too stupid to realize that their party has been hijacked by fanatics and fascists, and the (corporate-owned) media that refuse to expose their lies and misdoings.

Hate? You need to look to your own kind. I do not advocate war. I do not advocate bombing anyone.

'Blame America first' is growing very thin as an attack. Are you too stupid to see that everyone out side of other Bushies laughs at you when you make such accusations?

By the way, we are supposed to be a democratic republic, usually referred to as a democracy. (Why didn't you try to 'correct' Lynne - or McCain, for that matter?) What a clumsy attack. A failure, just like everything else the neocons have brought us. How truly pathetic.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/06/2008 07:41:05
#71...Tiang..not to worry.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/06/2008 07:45:00
#15...they also gave a Nobel prize to Arafat. A Terrorist who was in favor of suicide bombers...What is your point?
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/06/2008 07:51:11
Mr.N #31...scroll up and down and read them all for yourself...which I doubt you will do, because you are one of them.

I tend to believe you and James Donald have a lot in common. It's all in the words.
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bill2,

23/06/2008 08:29:22
All is revealed. Lynne is after the Nobel Prize; her unstinting racialism and support for terrorists should qualify her.
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Queensland 23/06/2008 09:31:17
A question for Lynne and her ilk:- Do you agree with the following?

Under international law, all peoples have a right to resist military occupation by any means available.
If they are terrorists then so were the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during WWII.

If they are terrorists then so were the founders of Israel.

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Scotland 23/06/2008 09:55:29
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Israel put a couple of terrorists in charge of their country namely Golda Meir and Ben Gurion.
Both had blood on their hands.
Wake up you silly woman.
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Scotland 23/06/2008 09:57:30
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I am one of what Lynne? an undesirable? an Untermench?
do people like me belong in concentration camps perhaps?
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Scotland 23/06/2008 10:49:10
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"A representative government" well at least you got that right they represent big business interests and Israelli foreign policy all bought and paid for during election campaigns with "donations" more commonly known as bribes.
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mike - across the pond,

lhtt..... 23/06/2008 13:37:16
lets go over your "top 7" list

1. Because you can't help it.
yep all that "all men are equal" & "wanting to make the world a better place stuff" just terrible isnt it?

2. You don't like the look of Ahmadinejad.
looks have nothing to do with it... LISTEN pal... LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS... carefully... READ their constitution... CAREFULLY

3. You find the possibility of Iran having a greater influence in the middle east than the US demeaning.
demeaning? how about dangerous... course if you dont LISTEN to what he says, then your "demeaning" gets a LOT more traction...

4. Because you are a bunch of schoolyard bullies.
yeah, we want everybody to be free... if thats being a bully... guilty as charged... and because whe whole world turns its eyes to America when they get their stuff in a twist...

5. Because the Jewish lobby in the US will have a significant influence in the republican vote in the upcoming election.
you are a DOOFUS... the Jewish block is 2/3 DNC, not GOP... although like blacks leaning democrat I really dont know why, the DNC hasnt done SQUAT for them...

6. Because you've got bigger and more guns than anyone else and you like to point them at people.
nope... sometimes we HAVE to point them at people, but like... nah... wrong answer...

7. The gun culture on the US mainland is ripe for export.
export... like we did in 1939 & 1940?

if you think its such a WONDERFUL place... GO THERE... LIVE THERE...
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mike - across the pond,

lhtttt 23/06/2008 13:46:02
resisting military occupation...

yep saddam hussein occupied the north and south with military forces for over 20 years... and stretched a rope for it... at the hands of the IRAQI government...

saddam hussein occupied Kuwait... and got whacked on the knuckles for it...

the US occupied Iraq - UNDER UN MANDATE - and BTW is no longer "occupied"... they have their own government... (remember all those "purple thumbs")

I guess "truth" is in the eye of the beholder... and your perception of "truth" is based on your self loathing belief structure.
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Carolyn 1,

23/06/2008 14:05:11
67 MisterN, Scotland

In reference to the League of Democracies replacing the UN, it is interesting that so many posters think they DON'T live in a democracy.

That certainly makes the point which I have said over and over, that many civil liberties in the UK, free speech especially are rapidly declining due to the Islamification of the laws combined with the acceptance of sharia.
This hasn't happened in the US to the extent it has in the EU.

When the League of Democracies is formed, we'll take Ireland, thank you very much.
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Carolyn 1,

23/06/2008 14:13:04
In reference to International law, International law has NO authority over the US constitution.

I believe in a central federal government but with limited powers giving each state of the United States its separate sovereignty, not unlike the emerging EU. Each state makes and abides by its own laws according to the will of the citizens.
The will of the citizens to control their own destiny would be diluted and eventually lost, as soon as they accept international law and globalization of a ruling authority.

International law should be applicable only in International arenas, such as waterways, the Internet, etc.
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23/06/2008 14:33:09
#60 MisterN
Do your homework first instead of filling this blog with your usual trash of hate and changing topic to score points!
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at arm's length 23/06/2008 15:27:14
#88 Tiang,
Stick to the story at hand. you seem to have a problem with certain peole that post here, stick to the subject so we know where you stand on it. I personally am against all forms of terrorism, regardless of who is guilty of causing it. I'm also strongly opposed to torture, regardless of who does the torturing. The US in this case is my target, for they of all countries should know better, and they are the worst perpetrators, for the simple fact that they have the most money to throw around. They need to look after their problems in their country, and not give militatry 'aid' to other countries where they have 'interests'. Nobody here is saying that they hate Jews, for one thing, Jews and Israel are not the same thing, what they are saying is that the US needs to stop funding Israel, and Israel has no right to condemn anybody for having nuclear weapons, not as long as they themselves have them. If Iran is making nuclear weapons, the reason as to why they are making them is obvious, it is called self defence, they have been bullied about by Iraq, Israel and the US for many years, and feel that they've been backed into a corner. I'm sure that if somebody backed you into a corner, you'd come out swinging too, I know I will.
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23/06/2008 16:55:25
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Carolyn 1

"In reference to International law, International law has NO authority over the US constitution."

Precisely so, because the US Constitution is irrelevant to International Law.

US citizens are subject to international law outside the US, for instance it is illegal for the US to prevent prosecution of a USA citizen outside the US for genocide.
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Scotland 23/06/2008 18:52:12
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Wow now that is a hate filled rant if ever I read one.

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And now you have to resort to nonsense having ran out of anything to debate with and you still managed to express your islamaphobic view point at the same time.
Is that what they refer to as multi tasking?

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Outside of the US International law has precedence over US law or any other national law outside of that nations legal durisdiction at least it is if you are trying to pretend to be a democracy.
We are all subject to international law even US citizens.
Another one living in her own the US rules the world fantasy.
A wee point you might want to consider the rest of the world is bigger and meaner than you are I thought after so many military disasters you would have at least learned that lesson by now.
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Scotland 23/06/2008 18:53:19
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Homework about what? If you have something to add spit it out no points for being shy on these blogs.
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Really and what other IDs do you think I have posted today as? and where exactly is this hatred manifesting itself and why hasnt it been moderated?
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mike - across the pond,

alec in chi-town 23/06/2008 20:22:24
go ahead, deny that Chicago is the undisputed HOME of dirty politics...

know your political history CLOWN... chicago, HOME of "vote early, vote often"...

and the home of the last "stolen election" nixon had the class to make the phone call though
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Scotland 23/06/2008 20:38:48
112 113 114

Here it is again:

Aye and thats a really class act you have there right enough I dont see any points of view posted by you today where is your usual Islamaphobic rant?

READ IT then comment not ignore and rant if you are so devoid of anything to add then just go you wont be missed.
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Scotland 23/06/2008 21:23:09
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Yep a troll for sure I bet its AM2 himsell he's a well publicised Islamaphobe.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 23/06/2008 23:30:08
#103 Jock

"So you think all means available makes it acceptable to target civilian targets and non-combatants?"

...Considering bands of civilian Israeli Jews seek out elderly Palestinians on occupied land they have farmed for generations and beat them up with baseball bats, it seems ALL Israeli Jews are combatants.
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Queensland 24/06/2008 00:27:39
120 continued For Jock's and a few others' benefit

http://www.imemc.org/article/55469

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bikewoman,

24/06/2008 01:21:40
120 Let's avoid the truth

Since you avoided his question all together we know you find it acceptable to target civilian targets and non-combatants. I know your Kool-Aid drinkers are fooled by your twisting of what people say, but not the majority of readers.
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Queensland 24/06/2008 01:40:27
#122

If you consider that his question was avoided by my response I suggest you take a course on logic.
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Dragon's 'tale',,

Transylvania 24/06/2008 02:52:36
#96 Tiang,
It's obvious that you are quite the nutcase with a temper to boot. Linus suggested that you stick to the story, so that we could get a feeling on how you feel about it, but instead you go ballistic. Blood pressure problems I see. Not good for your health. You also seem to have a problem with the language, not a native speaker, that's quite obvious. After you learn the language, read the story, and make an educated comment on it, what you're doing now is just embarrassing to you and your family and friends.
My view on this story is that I agree with Linus on what he has stated. The Americans are trying to rule the world, and nations like Israel are funded by the Americans because of their strategic location, and Iran is surely trying to defend itself by whatever means possible, and that just might include nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons should be banned outright, but once a few nations have them, everybody wants them, and sooner or later most nations will have them.
Now what is your opinion on this article? Can you think clearly enough for just a few minutes and give us your point of view? BTW, breathe deeply, through your nose, relax, enjoy life and smile, above all, smile.
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Dragon's 'tale',,

Transylvania 24/06/2008 03:11:58
LYNNE,
I'm sure that you must be aware of the fact that this Vehm Geright is one and the same person as James Donald. He will use Vehm Gericht to back up what James Donald is saying, making it look like he(James Donald) actually has people agreeing with him. Pathetic to say the least, but I've watched him doing this for the past couple of weeks now, whenever he's losing his arguements to you or anybody else.
I don't agree with your points in any way, nor do I agree with James Donald, but you need to know that he fights dirty, for he can't win on his own.
I don't back the Americans in what they are doing all over the world, I think that they should stay home and solve their own domestic problems, and leave all the other countries alone and let them solve their own problems. Interference just causes more problems, and the world has enough problems already, so just keep to yourselves, and the rest of us won't feel the need to get on your case.
Linus is OK, just too agressive in the way he tries to get his point(s) across, and tends to upset a few people with that. I've known him since primary school, and he always stands up for the underdog, it's his way.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 05:48:07
#127 Moreen,
How can you possibly mistake me for this Dragon's 'tale'?
I've seen him post here only two or three times, he usually can't be bothered. Every once in a while when he sees me post here, he feels the need to pipe up about something, and you'll have to ask him why he does that. My mother used to ask him to keep an eye on me when we were still going to school, and that's a habit he finds hard to break. I was stupid to use the name Linus, for that was my nickname when I was going to school, and he recognized it when he saw it here in the Scotsman, and I can't change the name now, we're stuck with the name we choose once we have registered, so have to put up with him commenting on my comments when he sees my name. Why is it that you think that people use other names? It is impossible, for I already told you that we are stuck with the first name we choose, so I can't possibly go by another ID.
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New Babylon 24/06/2008 06:30:21
@6 Guga

Your personal bias towards Israel is apparent. You CAN NOT be a true Christian and harbor these personal bias' towards Israel. I don't care how much you huff n puff nor do I care what your purported beleifs are on the subject. Israel has never been a terroist nation, except in your own perverted and warped mind. But I can make you one singular promise! Harbor these hateful and condecending views, and you will find that yhe mouth of hell augers wide for thee!
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New Babylon 24/06/2008 06:42:57
@125 Dragon's Tale:

Your personal observation that America is trying to rule the world is melodramatic and full of holes. After World War II, if you read anything about World History, the Americans turned governing control of japan over the the japanese Government, not like Hitler and Stalin in their quest for world domination.

Throughout history America has been the "policemen, putting down despots, but we ALWAYS turned government back to the country we helped (with the exception of Vietnam) wherein we did not remain in country as its' government fell into the hands of the Khmer Rouge and NVN. We are doing the same thing in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Your utter stupidity is very objectionable, for you ferment lies and half truths to support your own personal bias.

There is a time coming, soon, wherein you will pray that America was around to aide you and your loved ones, your fellow contrymen, but your prayers will fall on deaf ears. For America will no longer be capable of helping anyone, let alone itself. For the great financial harlot, the apostate Christian nation, will be a land of smoldering ash.
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New Babylon 24/06/2008 07:02:29
#125 Dragons' Tale: (Cont'd)

If you had the slightest Spiritual perception, you would know that Israel is a prime target for Iran! Iran's stated intentions (documented time and time again) concerning the possession and utilization of nuclear weapons is so obvious that anyone with the slightest modicum of intelligence can see it. WHEN Iran attains enough fissionable nuclear material (weapons grade) not only Israel, but the entire western world will be in dire jeopardy. For it is no secret that they intend to use it against Israel, UK, and the United States.

In reviewing the mountain of information concerning Irans' quest for Nuclear weapons, there is little doubt in my mind that they have it now or will have more than enough by 2009 to supply terrorist factions with satchel type nukes, highly portable, and very deadly.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to warn you, the world is going to erupt into a violent place of mass slaughter, pestilence and famine. You merely need to turn the telly on and watch the news. Violent weather conditions, earthquakes, floods and more floods, the loss of vast acres of crops, shortages in food supplies, higher and higher costs for fuel, utilities, etc. You and I live in the last generation, the generation wherein the "man of evil" is revealed to the world. The world is ready for him, it will welcome him like Germany welcomed Hitler! Yet he will bring death and horror to the world like no other despot before him. Never before in the history of mankind has man seen the slughter and horror that will be unleashed upon all mankind!

Repent of your sins, cast off your love of this life and surrender your lives to Christ, for there is no saftey to be found anywhere outside of His saving grace and immeasurable mercies.
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CombatVet68,

24/06/2008 07:20:11
#120 Lets Have the Truth:

The unfortunate thing about your comments are that you do not represent the "truth". In retrospect, England has done far worse and more heinous crimes against humanity than Israel. It was Britain that propagated slavery in the colonies, long before America became a Republic.

By the time this nation became a self governing Republic, no longer under the control of Britain, the practice of slavery was deeply routed in the southern states. It remained in practice, even though the framers of the U S Constitution made efforts to do away with this barbaric and un-Christian practice of enslaving others. WHY? Because it was a financial benefit to the tobacco and cotton growers...MONEY! Cheap labor!

My Heavenly Father declared it in no uncertain terms. (Speaking to the people of Israel) "Those who bless you, I will bless, and those who curse you, I will curse." That covenant remains unaltered even to this very hour. My Lord Jesus Christ was, is, and shall always be a JEW! Lucifer has tried many many times to erradicate the Jews from the world, but has failed time and time again. You serve your father Satan in your hatred and resentment of the Jews. I wouldn't want to be you when you pass through the veil of death.

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24/06/2008 07:31:16
#98 MisterN:

One thing is for certain, the good ole US was the ones who pulled ur chestnuts out of the fire in World War II. If it had been for us, in all likelihood, you'd be speaking German now, or you'd be dead.

Your arrogance, ignorance, and general illiterate mentality bores me. The more I think about it, I do beleive that God created rum to keep the Irish from ruling the world. They've been resentful little nephews ever since. Full of ignorance and bitterness. Their hypocracy knows no bounds. They kill their brother because they are not of the same religious affiliation.
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CombatVet68,

24/06/2008 07:44:19
#92 Carolyn 1

The United States was initially formed by the founders and framers of the United States Constitution as a "REPUBLIC" not a democratic state. Many today claim that we are a "democracy" but in truth, we are neither Republic or Democracy. We are a Capitalistic Nation. If you doubt this, do the research. Read the Innauguaral Address of men like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, Madison, and while you are at it, read the US Constitution, much of which is being ignored and abridged by our Congress and the U S Supreme Court.

We are no longer a nation of the people, for the people, and by the people. We are a nation of people of the governemnt, for the government, and by the governemnt. The privildeged are judged by a different set of laws than the average man or woman.

As for International Treaties...they ARE binding upon thenations and its people that sign them! Are you not aware that in all probability, the Anti-Christ will come to power through the European Union?
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New Babylon 24/06/2008 08:09:26
#72 MisterN:

Your statement that you are "agnostic' reveals a great deal about your own spritual ignorance. It does not matter to me, nor does it influence me in my understanding, that your reject God, Jesus Christ, and His offer of salvation. What you are doing is betting your ewternal soul that you are right in your beleifs.

You not only wager your eternal soul, but you also influence those you love to share your veiws, thereby, causing them to suffer the same fate that you have chosen for yourself, because of your rejection of my Lord Jesus Christ. The pity of it all is that YOU have chosen where you will spend eternity. For in rejecting Jesus Christ, you condemn yourself to hell. Personally, it is no skin off my nose what you beleive.

You can beleive in Darwinism, (The theory of Evolution), Scientology, Buddhism, Zenism, and all the rest of that tripe! You're a grown man presumably, so the choice has always been yours, no one elses. And, just like everyone else, your choice will either open the doors to eternal life in heaven, or eternal pain and suffering in Hell. But Christ said it better than I! "Broad is the way, and wide is the gate that leadeth to ever lasting punishment, and many there are that shall enter therein". "They love the darkness, and will not come into the light, for if they should enter into the light, their sins shall be reproved."

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Linus,

24/06/2008 08:55:25
#130 and #131 CombatVet68,
Your hands must be getting pretty sore from thumping on that bible all day, either that or you've become numb.
In any case, you're numb in the head, must have come from all that 'combat' you supposedly were involved in.
If America is a Christian nation, then I want no part of Christianity. All America does is cram their version of Democracy down everbody else's throat, and millions die as a result.
As far as America returning countries back to their own governments and ideals is concerned, get a grip, they will not leave until any given country has the American version of Democracy, after having lost many of its citisens to the American invasion, and are thus afraid to stand up to them any longer.
You are just another "end of the world" preacher, but your audience is limited to people more stupid than yourself, in other words, you have a very small audience.
Like I said before, the only reason Iran is seeking nuclear weapons is due to the fact that they need them for self defence, all their arch enemies have them, and they hope that this is their last hope of survival.
Let's just hope that nobody is stupid enough to use them, so far only your 'heroes' the Americans have used them, and hopefully we have learned something from that use.
Now crawl back into your bunker, BOOH, the end of the world is near.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 09:16:49
#129 CombatVet68,
It is obviously clear that Guga ll is much more informed about Israel and its intentions than what you are. To you it is just the birthplace of Christ, and you can't see past that. So now whatever Israel chooses to do, that's OK in your books, for Christ was born there and they have inherited all the rights in the world because of that. You have no grip on reality, if there ever was such a person called Christ, then he would frown heavily on the way the "Christians" conduct themselves, killing randomly in the name of "Christ" and justifying their acts by saying that they're doing it for "Christ".
Just like all religions, they kill in the name of their "leaders", and the rest of us are supposed to slink away in fear and accept that which they are cramming down our throats. Have you ever noticed that most of the wars fought are 'holy' wars? Well Bible boy, I'm a self thinker and I don't want or need all that rubbish in my life. Now back to your bunker.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 09:28:57
#127 Dragon's 'tale',
We may be buddies from way back, but you need to get a grip on yourself, there is no such thing as two or multiple ID's, can't be done. I know that you, and all of us, had to choose a name when we registered, and we were told that the name can not be changed, therefore one ID only. I chose Linus, the name that you and the rest of our classmates gave me back in primary school, I liked the name then, I like it now, and I will always like it. Even all of my co-workers and friends call me that, it's basically my only name now. Now if you would please stop 'shadowing' me here in the Scotsman, as well as the American papers where I leave comments, it would be greatly appreciated. We're not kids anymore, and my mother isn't alive anymore for you to report to. Thanks bud, much appreciated.

Sorry Lynne, Dragon's 'tale' is misinformed, and giving you the wrong information. Nobody has two or more ID's.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 11:30:48
#140 Golly,
Well golly Gomer Pyle, aren't you the clever one, maybe you've found a way to use one or more ID's, but that would make you a Scotsman employee now, wouldn't it, and it would not be very clever of you to post your comments at the Scotsman, they would frown on that. Then again, you sure don't sound like the clever type.
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Foreign parts 24/06/2008 12:34:38
I see that French person Sarkozy has been buttering up the Israelis with his version of the truth.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 12:47:51
#96 Tiang,
Well my little buddy Tiang, I see that your GP(s) were wrong about your blood pressure, it's still going over the top. It seems like I warned you about that a few weeks ago, but of course you won't listen to me.
So how do you really feel about Iran's possibility of having nukes? Scares the daylights out of you, doesn't it? For you are a true fan of Israel, despite all the evil that they represent in the Middle East, with the backing of their pals the Americans. The Americans think that they are so clever backing and funding Israel. Well they did the same to Iraq, and look what happened there. They did the same to Afghanistan, and look what happened there. Israel in time will want to be free of American control, and they too will follow Iraq's and Afghanistan's example, but they stand a better chance on going it alone, for the stupid Americans have gone overboard in funding Israel , and Israel is its own little powerhouse now, and the wrong or right leasder, depending on how you look at it, will take advantage of that and break away. The Americans are not liked anywhere, and Israel is no exception to that.
Now get a second opinion from a doctor concerning your blood pressure, you were misinformed the last time.:)
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No they didnt it was the Russians who pulled all of our chestnuts out of the fire and they did it before the Nazis using their Jewish scientists could invent the A bomb before the Americans could with the same Jewish scientists. Dont post from a position of ignorance you only leave yourself wide open.

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And keep your bible thumping to yourself I am not interested in some twisted version of history used as a tool to control masses too frightened to take responsibilty for their own actions. If you cant live without a spiritual crutch thats your problem dont make it mine.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 13:01:02
#144 MisterN,
Well said, as you can plainly see, CombatVet68 isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and is blinded by that little Bible of his, can't see past it. The American Bible-belt is full of the likes of him, thus the idiotic statements you see here posted by the likes of CombatVet68.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 14:49:52
#146 Night Worker,
Now I know why you work at night.

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at arm's length 24/06/2008 14:54:26
#142 Cubic's rube,
Sarkozy is no different than our very own Brown, just kissing up to the US, no backbone to stand up to the US. Mind you, the French have always been infamous for blowing with the wind, why should Sarkozy be an exception?
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 14:58:46
#147 Vehm Gericht,
The Germans spread themselves too thin to keep going at the pace they were, and eventually burned themselves out, a lot like the Americans are doing now. The only difference is that the Americans are very advanced in their weaponry, but they still have idiots running the show and idiots behind the weaponry. TICK, TICK, TICK.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 15:19:38
#151 Rosie's Opinion,
The Americans took bribes from Saddam as well, during Iraq's war with Iran, so what's your point? Chicago even gave Saddam the 'keys' to its city, that should say it all.
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at arm's length 24/06/2008 15:21:48
#152 Rosie's Opinion,
So what in your opinion is so good about Germany's new leader?
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New Babylon 24/06/2008 22:07:01
#147 Vehm Gerecht:

It is truly unfortunate that you are not only ignorant, bias, and wrong in your conclusions, but you also fail to research your subject matter. At the battle for kesserime pass, the US forces were under British commanders, not American.

As for the quality of armaments sent to aide Russia and Brittain, I can only state that we acted long before we were compelled to enjoin the invading armies of Germany, Italy, and Japan.

Isn't that the way of the europeans, help them out, shed your own blood to save them, and they whine and cry about the help that they received, long after the battle is over. How utterly pathetic.
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24/06/2008 22:10:19
#145 Linus

If you had a brain you'd be dangerous, not only to yourself, but to others. So far, people merely read your tirades and ignore them, for it is no less impressive than a mouse farting in the wind.
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24/06/2008 22:12:37
#144 MisterN

At least I have a spiritual crutch as you say, pity the fact that all you have is your ignorance to pacate you.
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24/06/2008 22:18:53
#144 MisterN

What you and Linus fail to acept as fact is that the Lord God Jehovah preserved England. Perhaps you should interview many of the surviving pilots who flew defensive missions over England, they could tell you a thing or two, not that you would beleive them. They would tell you (documented facts) that on several occasions, German pilots fled from their planes which numbered less than 600, claiming that they saw thousands of fighter planes coming at them. But of course, you only deal in what you personally know as fact, or presumed fact. Sadly you will not seek the truth, not even if your eternal soul depends upon it, which it most assuredly does.
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CombatVet68,

24/06/2008 22:31:54
#137 Linus

You glory in your self imposed ignorance for all to see. You have no concept as to what is "reality". Sadly, you choose to be blind and ignorant, so I pray that if you desire to remain blind, that the Lord of Hosts will make that a physical reality for you.

As for Chirsitians mudering and killing in the name of God, you do error in not knowing the truth. It is not the Christians who make war and murder in the name of Christ, but those who use God to justify their own greed and arrogance. A true follower of Christ does not desire war. For we are taught that we should love our brother as ourself. You can not love your brother and then murder him. But you are content in your own ignorance, so why worry about it. It's easier to judge others, but you fail to judge yourself.

I make you one solemn promise, both you and MisterN! You both will kneel before the living God and declare that Jesus is the Christ. Sadly it will probably only come after you both pass through the veil of death, at the great white throne judgement. For it is written: "Every tongue will profess that Jesus Christ is Lord."
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CombatVet68,

24/06/2008 22:45:47
#136 Linus

You do err again. The United States was never intended to be a democracy, but in fact, at it's founding, it was a Republic. The United States is no longer a Christian nation, nor is it a democracy, but rather, an apostate Christian nation, whose leaders have long forgotten the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They mouth the words, but they do not know Him. The United States is a capitalistic society, for the god of this nation is MONEY!

I don't need a bunker! For as the Lord God Jehovah preserved the lives of Shadrac, Meshac, and Abednego, He can preserve His people if He choses to do so. As He closed the mouths of the lions when Daniel was cast therein, He will preserve His chosen ones. As He delivered Jonah from the belly of the whale, so shall He deliver the faithful. May God be merciful to those who reject Him.
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 24/06/2008 23:39:03
I see this has descended into a waste receptacle for the religious right and their twisted views of reality.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 03:49:36
#120 LHTT..the band (notice no S) was 4 teenagers who all were arrested. No one approves of what they did, including the Israelis.
But I would like you to comment on the Palestinian sniper that killed a toddler in a stroller because she was Jewish, and Palestinian kidnappers of two 13 year olds who later murdered them because they were Jewish, and the Palestinians who shoot at cars carrying Jews, who were on their way home from work.
I eagerly await hearing from you about these people.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 03:54:03
Linus, it's a lie to say you can't have more than 1 ID on here. Finnking has at least 4 of them..and we all know you have a few. He has admitted it, and given us the names. Go back to FH, and if you are not him...go ask.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 04:03:27
Some people DO have regrets..

Palestinian social fabric 'damaged by Gaza violence'
Posted 4 hours 7 minutes ago
One year after Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip, the adviser to Hamas leader Ismail Haniya says the violence of the past 12 months has damaged Palestinian society.
Hamas ousted its rival, Fatah, from the power-sharing government at the time.
But Ahmed Yusuf says he would like to see Palestinians reach national reconciliation and recover.
"I wish that we never kill each other, we never have bloodshed among the Palestinians, and it caused a lot of damage to the Palestinian social fabric," he said.
"Now, most of the people actually taking sides and the polarisation became stronger than before.
"I wish we would, if we reached a national reconciliation, will be able to recover from all this suffering because of the takeover."
- BBC

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 04:23:31
#120 btw..Hamas has already broken the truce with rockets and mortars to Sderot and Negav...and this is only Day 6 I think!!
Sooo, I would like to see a comment on that...since easing up on the Gaza blockade had begun.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 05:25:32
#89 mike-across the pond..
adding to your list..they cry about the "Jewish Lobby" her in the US...what do they have to say about this?

EU pressed for more lobbying data
By Laurence Peter
BBC News
The European Commission has defended its new voluntary register of lobbyists amid criticism from groups who say it is not transparent enough.
A day after its launch, the register had 42 lobbyists listed.
"The idea is that people adhere to principles and commit to increased transparency," said a spokeswoman for Commission Vice-President Siim Kallas.
An estimated 15,000 lobbyists seek to influence EU legislation. Critics want more regulation of their activities.
But the spokeswoman, Valerie Rampi, said lobbying in the EU was "radically different" from the United States, where there is a mandatory register of lobbyists, setting out funding for specific issues.
Ms Rampi told BBC News that the European Commission "gives subsidies, but it's not like a government giving contracts - there is no business money financing politics".
She said the number of groups registering on the commission's website had doubled in 24 hours, "and that's a good start".
Joint EU list planned
The European Parliament has called for a mandatory register of lobbyists covering not only the parliament itself, but also the Commission and the Council of Ministers, which together approve legislation.
The three legislative branches are setting up a joint working group to establish a common register, which the parliament hopes will be in place by the next European elections, in a year's time.
"We want a one-stop shop. Lobbyists will have to register only once and it will be de facto mandatory," Ms Rampi said.
She said MEPs were demanding that lobbyists obtain access badges to enter the parliament's premises - and that would oblige them to register on the joint list.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 05:28:09
continued..for more information Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7471672.stm
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bill2,

25/06/2008 09:39:48
Lynne, as a prime troll and site wrecker, you really ought to know better than to expect anyone to read your rubbish.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 25/06/2008 09:44:00

#164 Lynne

"I eagerly await hearing from you about these people".

When you consider Israel's shelling of Palestinian civilian areas that result in the indiscriminate deaths of innocent women and children (I believe YOU would regard ALL Palestinians as guilty), is a crime against humanity.

When you consider the fact that Israel continues to build settlements on Palestinian lands on which they have lived for centuries that flout international laws and bulldoze their homes whilst the occupants are still inside.

When you consider Israeli border guards take every opportunity to humiliate Palestinian workers.

When you consider the trashing of Palestinian educational establishments by Israeli forces.

When you consider the average orthodox Israeli Jew consider Palestinians as less than human.

When you consider the body count in the conflict is heavily weighed against the Palestinians.

I believe it would be fair enough to be sufficiently miffed with the occupying force to lash out at anything.

_____________________________________________________

"For the first year of the current uprising, there were 197 reports in New York Times headlines or first paragraphs of Israeli deaths. During this time, there had actually been 165 Israelis killed (the discrepancy is due to the fact that a number of Israeli deaths were reported multiple times).

During the same year-long period, 233 Palestinian deaths were reported in headlines or first paragraphs. During this time, 549 Palestinians had actually been killed".
______________________________________________________

The overall body count however is much worse for the Palestinians when one takes it over 10,20 or 30 years.

I will pose a question to you:

If your home was bulldozed by an entity that has occupied your land, with you and your family inside, how would you react?

I (eagerly) await hearing from you about this.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 15:04:12
they weren't occupying the land..they acquired that land by winning a war. They bulldozed the homes of suicide bombers that killed Israeli citizens..and they no longer bulldoze homes. But the Palestinians haven't stopped the rockets, and Hamas has said they will not police the truce. Soo, using logic..this truce also seems doomed.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 15:13:56
#172 LHTT..you call me biased?!!!!!!
Palestinians teach their children that Jews are the sons and daughters of apes and pigs..

How is it the whole world condemns the Palestinians for using women and children as human shields, but you and your friends...and the homes of people for storing bombs and making bombs? (notice 1 blew up 2 weeks ago and they quickly blamed Israel...(of course they had to back down and tell the truth for once.) There were 7 people in that home.

The body count is what it is because the Palestinians don't care how many of their own people they kill..their reward is martyrdom and paradise. That's why the higher body count.


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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 15:16:01
bill2..I don't troll..you and your friends do. I have one ID..you and your friends are multiples..
so, if anyone is a troll here...IT IS YOU.
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Linus,

at arm's length 25/06/2008 15:35:09
#165 Lynne,
How is it a lie to say that you can't have more than one ID? That's all I have, that is all they will give anyone at the Scotsman. I don't know this Finnking you're talking about and he /she is lying when he/she tells you about more than one ID. So you may blame many people of having one or more ID, but like I've told you before, that is impossible. Everytime I sign in, my ID is written down already, just not my location, after all, people do move around. Your name is your name, and that is final.
Also, why is it that so many people here, including you, accuse people of being trolls, is it maybe because you are one?
Now back to the nuclear weapons issue, you know as well as I do that if Iran does have them or is in the process of making them, they are doing it strictly for self defence, especially when you got trigger happy and bomb happy Israelis lurking around the corner to do you in. Thanks to you almighty Americans stirring the pot and funding Israel with untold billions in military aid. Both the US and Israel don't have a defence budget, all the money is strictly used for offense, nothing else.
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Linus,

at arm's length 25/06/2008 15:56:57
#155 and #156 Rosie's Opinion, especially #156

Let me give you some advise on how to bait the hook when you go fishing, you need to find out what you're fishing for and then you find the proper bait for that particular species of fish, hoping it's the right time of day and the right season for that. So if you try to lure me, you'll have to do better than that.

There are so many thing I need to teach you, for after all, you're just an American.

Think you can keep up and learn?
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 16:33:30
Linus...if the Israelis are trigger happy...they (according to your logic) WOULD HAVE USED IT ALREADY. Bomb happy Israelis? Who has broken the truce? The Palestinians have already sent rockets into Sderot and Negev on day 6 of the truce. Hamas has said it will not police this truce. Then what was the point of the truce? To rearm and regroup as Hamas said it would.
The only thing Israel is at fault with...is to be naive about peace dealings with terrorists. THEY (Hamas) have never kept their word.
Now, as far as self defense goes for Iran..that's a joke. Iran is in 3 proxy wars, looking to reclaim past glory of their empire and dominate the entire middle east and the world. You must be the only one that does not know this.
Ahmadinejad wants to usher in Armagheddon...how do I know this? He has said so. He has also said that when the US troops leave Iraq, they will fill the void.
Why? Because he wants Baghdad at the Center of his caliphate. (maybe the missing Imam can help him with that!!) I can't be the only one who reads here on these posts. My sources are not from 1 place..they are from 28 different sources sent to my house every morning and afternoon..(research for a grandson in a gifted program.)
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Linus,

at arm's length 25/06/2008 16:39:53
LYNNE,

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/


Please have a look at this site and tell me that you can justify your illegal invasion and illegal occupation of Iraq to the families of those service men and women who have died in Iraq. Also please note how many soldiers are suffering from mental problems due to this illegal invasion and illegal occupation of Iraq.
While you're at it, please try to justify your illegal invasion and illegal occupation of Iraq to the countless victims this illegal invasion and illegal occupation has caused the Iraqi people. These people by and large are innocent, never asked for you to illegally invade and illegally occupy their country, but your arrogance keeps them there.

Now is it any wonder why Iran might possibly be making nuclear weapons? It is called self defence. Israel is arrogant because of the military funding it gets from you, the Americans, and Israel thinks it's invincible. Think again, the rest of the world is not taking this sitting down. You the Americans, are not invincible either, remember 9-11, it will happen again but in far greater numbers, try to read the writing on the wall, the Islam extremists will gladly sacrifice their own lives to kill you, as sad and as twisted as that is. Nobody in their right mind agrees with them and their tactics, but it is a fact, they will do it again, and none of us can stop them. What we need to do instead, is let them sort out their problems over there, so they don't bring them over here. A three year old can understand that, why can't you?
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Linus,

at arm's length 25/06/2008 16:54:20
#178 Lynne,
Israel has bombed Iraqi facilities before, suspecting them of making nuclear weapons, they have done the same to Syria, and you know that I am not lying about this. Problem with those bombings is, that no evidence supporting their claim has ever been turned up, therfore I call them trigger happy and bomb happy. They don't pay for their bombs and ammunition, it's all a gift from the US. The US pays for all this agression, this way they can sit back and not worry about that particular neck of the woods too much, it gives more chances to stick their noses in everybody else's business.
Look what the Israelis did after two of their soldiers were taken as POW's, they turned that event into a full fledge war, where many more innocents bought the proverbial farm. You by now must see that all this violence your America, and your second home of Israel is causing, must come to an end, and it must do that soon. Nothing good is coming out of all this bloodletting, so you the Americans need to tell the Isrealis, close shop in the Middle East and come and live in the US, that would solve a lot of problems in the Middle East, and it would be the smartest things the US would ever have done.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 25/06/2008 17:21:08
176
Linus,
at arm's length

Hi, I am Finnking; Scots guy (Edinburgh) living in Finland. It's absolutely true what Lynne states, I did,indeed, have many logon names but I never once pretended otherwise. Why? Well, you see, Scotsman News had a rather odd automated banning system. Anyone could report three or more of your comments and you were banned/moderated. Also, incredibly, the system here allows others to log on using an existing name and/or using commas in the name. So, I used various names on this site. No malice, no problem.

Now, I selected at random one of Lynne's comments above. You know these copy/paste jobs she's prone towards? I went through that post and imagine my surprise to discover it was propaganda. (ahem).

You can find my analysis of the comment on the FH site "Whiteboard" at post 21,


BTW: Read that and you will see my style of writing and my views. That way you can tell the real Finnking from the malicious trolls that will inevitably now come on line in my name.(unless Scotsman has fixed the prob).

Thanks.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 25/06/2008 17:51:27
Linus

Keep pressing the Whiteboard heading until the comments appear.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 18:50:07
Linus..if this makes it I will try and post a comment. So far I have done this 3 times...put it refuses to post.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 19:10:50
Aha.. fixed!!

Linus..www.mapsofwar.com/images/Religion.swf check this out for information on when Israel first existed.

Second, Saddam's nuclear facility was bombed because, he had already been paying for suicide bombers to kill Jews in Israel. Is there any doubt as to what he would do with a nuclear bomb? It is the same with Ahmadinejad..do you REALLY believe this is all for energy? His not so veiled threats to both Israel and the US leave no doubt in many minds, except those who appease the terrorists.. Like the last statement YOU made about moving Israel and Israelis. That is ludicrous. Why don't you move from YOUR country and close up shop? I am sure the surrounding countries can get along very well without you or yours.

Israel is the Jewish home, promised to them by a G-d you do not recognize. They are there to stay. They took a desert, made an oasis, improved their education, technologies etc...another reason why the Arabs don't like them and are threatened by them.

The main reason is that they threaten their autonomies, what with all that democracy stuck in the middle of nothing more than a bunch of religious zealots and fanatics, who care nothing for life, but love and honor death.

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/06/2008 19:33:45
Linus or whoever..the writing on the wall, is for the US?
I don't think so. The US will never stand for another 9/11..( Unless Obama gets in and he "talks them to death")!!
The next time there is an attack on the US, that country will probably see a shock and awe never witnessed before.
Out intel is much better, we have stopped many attempts, before they even had a chance.
But, as you know, if if you didn't..9/11 was the result of many UNANSWERED attacks on the US. IfF it happens..there will be answering.. not warmongering..just not gonna get away with it EVER again.
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bill2,

25/06/2008 21:38:49
Lynne, you just don't get it.

9/11 was a direct result of the USA's murderous activities around the world, supporting regimes like Israel and Iraq.

The criminal activities since 9/11 will ensure that the next attack will be far more devastating. In terms of deaths, 9/11 was chickenfeed in comparison to what caused it.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 00:59:24
no bill2, you just don't get it!! 9/11 was the result of the USA helping the Saudis, when Osama wanted to be the one. All those excuses were made because we defiled Saudi soil, and the Saudis did not want his help.
Oh please..please..bone up on your history..the more you talk...the more uneducated you sound.

You could wish for that terrorist attack on us all you want..you don't frighten us. We are across an ocean..You are much closer..
Maybe 9/11 meant nothing to you (and all the other attacks on us), but you need not worry for us..YOU are also in the sights of the terrorists for helping us. All you have to do is listen to Osam and Zawahiri when they speak. You are on their list too..
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bill2,

26/06/2008 01:27:47
187 Lynne

"9/11 was the result of the USA helping the Saudis, when Osama wanted to be the one. All those excuses were made because we defiled Saudi soil, and the Saudis did not want his help."

An interesting explanation for 9/11, not seen that one before.

I don't wish for a terrorist attack on anyone.

All I wish is that people realise what is happening. If you murder people by the million, you are creating generations of people who want revenge; pretty obvious really, but you keep on doing it and wonder why they fight back!
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 02:38:54
bill2...what I wonder, is how, if you know everything, you don't know the reasons for 9/11.. I also can't understand why you think, if you close your eyes, close your mind, not pay attention, and appease these jackals, that they will go away and leave you alone.
You can't be for real. They are named terrorists for a reason. They have an agenda. You should look it up sometime. You might have your eyes opened.
...they began it all. We tried ignoring it, appeasing it, criminalizing it...it didn't work..We looked weak..another reason for 9/11.
They never expected an answer from us.
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Linus,

at arm's length 26/06/2008 02:50:30
LYNNE,
I'm afraid that you're not the one who gets anything. The Jews, even in so called biblical times, were a bunch of wandering nomads, came across a poorly defended piece of land, slaughtered the citisens there, and claimed it as their own. They were thieves then, they are thieves now, and they've got the audacity to defend and kill over land that to this day is not theirs. They would be nothing now if not for American money, money that gets used for its military, not used to help its citisens. The Americans do the same at home, spend all their money on the military, and to hell with its citisens. Your economy sucks, so does your unaffordable health care, your fuel prices have gone through the roof, so have ours, on account of your global interference. 9-11 was a direct result of your interference, and the next attacks will echo those of 9-11, except they will make 9-11 look like a walk in the park. You are definitely the one not getting anything LYNNE, why is that? You can't see the forest for the trees, and how many more attacks will it take for you and your fellow arrogant citisens to wake up?
At post #187, you actually bragged to bill2 how we will get attacked because of our association with you, how sick is that? You have mental problems LYNNE, severe mental problems. Our stupid government is backing your even more stupid government in the Middle East, and you want to see us get attacked. You better seek professional help LYNNE, if anybody can in fact help you. I severely doubt it, but it's worth a try.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 03:02:38
#188 and all your other aliases...demented is the definition of you..you have no points to make, so you insult. Everyone has your number. They know you and your aliases. You fool no one.
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Linus,

at arm's length 26/06/2008 03:05:52
#181 Finnking,
I don't know when you signed up with the Scotsman, but I did a couple of weeks ago, and multiple ID's seem to be history. Thank you for your explanation of how you did it, but that seems to be outdated now, or maybe I don't understand the system, but in any case, I have just one ID.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 03:19:06
#191..I never said I wanted to see you get attacked...there you go twisting my words again. I said, you are on their list also, for helping us.
But of course, I forgot, the US and Israel are the cause of ALL the world's problems today.. (look who I am talking to)..what must I have been thinking!!!
no matter... the facts are there..you can't change it. You can't change timelines, and you can't change events that already happened. You just choose to see them thru you biased, hatefilled eyes..and twist them to fit YOUR agenda.
FACTS ARE FACTS..live with it.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 04:06:59
Finnking, Linus, Djookers, TSW,James Donald ..and whoever else you are..You are outed by one of your own.!!

THIS is from Another Friend.. #94 posted on Iran Warns of "Drug Tsunami..."...

I also post on the FH site and several months ago I let readers here know that on the FH White Board there were members making suggestions on various ways to troll the Scotsman.

Since then Djookers, TSW, and Finnking do not speak of such things anymore and keep all such talk between their personal e-mail. There has been some what I can ony call describe as "chatter" recently.


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Linus,

at arm's length 26/06/2008 05:31:05
#195 Lynne,
You're right, you caught me, there are three of us. Me, myself and I, but we still only post under one name, and that name is Linus. What will it take to get this through your thick head? The whole world knows how arrogant some Americans are, but through your stupidity you're making all Americans look stupid. I use the name Linus, not any other name. Maybe you can compare the way I write, spell and tone of expression I use. When all three match up to that of another name other than Linus, maybe then you have a point. In the meantime, this is Linus speaking to you, no one else. I have no idea as to what the FH White board is, but Finnking suggested that I look at that, at post #21, except that I don't know where to locate this White Board. If such a Board exists, and the name Linus is on there, than you can compare with what I, Linus, says, and the other ones that you think are me. Remember to check spelling, How I write and the tone that I use, and see if you can find a match to all three. It's highly unlikely, for I just go by the name of Linus.
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Linus,

at arm's length 26/06/2008 06:28:20
#195 Lynne,
I took a look at post #94 and all I see is red ink. Is this another one of your jokes? If you are going to provide me with some kind of proof about multiple ID's, then you best let that proof stand, and not have it deleted when you realise that you have a weak case. Now I don't know Finnking, eventhough he co-operated with me and explained his multiple ID's to me.
Next you mentioned Linus, I imagine that you referred to me, then there was Djookers, unknown to me, TSW, also unknown to me, and James Donald, again, doesn't tell me anything, except that my buddy Dragon's 'tale' somehow figures that he's the same person as Vehm Gericht, and Vehm Gericht confirmed that, I think. Anyways, I am Linus, as you can tell by my ID, now can we please put this to rest?

You also provided me with yet another useless and waste of time link, it has no narration, is far too general and looks like it has been made by a three year old. You provided that same useless link to me a few weeks ago, when I jokingly accused the Roman Catholic Church of crucifying Christ, and told the commentators here to prove me wrong. I told you then that your link was useless, and it still is. You still didn't prove me wrong about the Roman Catholic Church by the way, but that's OK, you'll never be able to prove me wrong, as I can never prove that I'm right.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 26/06/2008 06:56:49
Lynne & Linus

Priceless, Lynne (195).
Why do feel the need to lie so much? You know very well that TSW, DJ and I are individual people because you spoke with us on the FH site.

"You just choose to see them thru you biased, hatefilled eyes..and twist them to fit YOUR agenda."

--True, how true. But not Linus, Lynne. You. If anyone disagrees with your Zionist views, you denounce them as "hate filled anti semites" etc.

Linus: The people who set up FH - FreehootsmEn.com (swap 'E' for 'a')- were at pains to design their site relatively troll free. There's a chat room there that is used by members and there's a general message area called the White Board (wiped each week). You have not registered on FH so you can't have posted there, and Lynne knows that. I admire your tenacity with Lynne. Has she called you a jew-hater yet? LOL.




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CombatVet68,

New Babylon 26/06/2008 09:13:45
@180 Linus

You really should do some research on these events and others which culminated in Israels actions against Syria, Iraq, and Lebannon., In practically every instance of war against Israel, we find that the aggressors who provoked these conflicts most definately was not Israel. But of course, I forgot, it is necessary for you to ignore these issues so that your anti semetic views gain credence.

You and your like are blinded by your own personal bias. You choose to be blind to the truth. You fail to research your subject matter and fairly weigh all the facts before jumping head long into your own fantasies.
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CombatVet68,

26/06/2008 09:31:50
#180 Linus (Cont'd)

I am confident that you have heard this before, but for those who are unaware, the Lord God Jehovah gave these lands to the Jewish people. In 70 AD they were scattered to many different countries. Yet, in the Holy Scriptures (Book of Daniel, Jeremiah, Psalms, Ezekiel) God fortold through the prophets mentioned that Israel would be brought back to it's lands which the Lord of Hosts gave them and they would be a nation again. Your arrogance and blind philosophy's will not allow your to accept this as fact.

It does not matter in the spectrum of time, what you do or do not beleive. You are a mortal man, as are we all. In all likelihood, you will live long enough to see a great conflagration between Russia, many of the Arab nations (Iran, Turkey, Sudan, Syria, Jordan, etc) as it's allies, when they attack Israel.

I pray you live long enough to see that. Their sneak attack on Israel will catch Israel sleeping. But the Lord of Hosts will do battle against these armies, wherein over 80% of these armies will be decimated. (Exekiel 38 and 39) For Israel is Gods chosen people, and if you don't like it, too bad, so sad.

After this event (Battle of Gog and Magog), where the blood of the slain will rise to the height of a horses bridle, world power will shift uncontested to the European Union. It is here that the Man of Evil will be revealed to the world and you and your like will embrace him and his politics.
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CombatVet68,

26/06/2008 09:32:58
#180 Linus

....But He will bring death, slaughter, horrors unimagined...and he will cause many to suffer the second death.
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bill2,

26/06/2008 09:38:04
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Lynne

"They are named terrorists for a reason. They have an agenda."

The Bush/Blair/Olmert axis of evil; they are the terrorists. Their victims in the Middle East are engaged in defending themselves.
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LD,

26/06/2008 10:38:30
#99 MisterN
Use your brain to think instead of posting out of hatred. The homework in question is supposed to be making an effort to read the article and comment first, only then click to post. I fail to see any connection, deliberately making a change of topic and started bringing out something about Jewish out of hatred and other women's nationality despite knowing fully well that Mohamed Elbaradei's wife is an Iranian, plain and clear.
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at arm's length 26/06/2008 13:35:15
#195 Finnking,
Lynne kind of had me baffled at first, but it is now clear as to who she is and what she represents. She really is more of a threat to herself, and taking down some of her co-commentators with her, her simple arrogance has taken away all credibility. To be able to back a clown like Bush does not do much for ones credibilty to begin with, but to back his arrogance with a 100% on her part has cleared everything up for me.
She hasn't actually called me a jew-hater outright, but has included me with others and hinted pretty clearly about what she thinks of me.
Thanks for the information regarding the Free Hootsman, I'll check that out, sounds like a good place to swap some ideas and info. Take care, just might catch ya at the Free Hootsman.
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at arm's 26/06/2008 13:51:21
#200, #201 and #202 CombatVet68,
I don't even know where to begin with you. For starters, not meaning any disrespect, you need to tear a few, maybe quite a few pages out of your Bible, roll some nice smokes with them, and enjoy that 'holy' smoke. Then, when you're relaxed, maybe we can have a real talk. I'm not talking "laughing lettuce" here, just plain old tobacco, those Bible pages will do the rest. You really need to get with the times here old boy, and start realising that those words in your Bible were written to control the brainless ones much like yourself. You're not talking any sense, that's why your government has such an easy time getting you to believe anything, you're a mere boy in diapers when we measure your mentality. Quit beating yourself on the head with that Bible of yours, your head has suffered all the damage that it can handle, and any more won't knock any sense into you now, it's much too late for that. If you don't have a bunker, may I strongly suggest that you get one and get inside it, just to protect the rest of us from you. Don't go around knocking on doors and try to spread your Jehova nonsense, they'll be fitting you for the straight jacket if you do that. If you believe in whatever it is that you believe, fine, just don't try to cram it down somebody else's throat, we already have governments doing that. Now go and find or build that bunker, and spare us from you.
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Foreign parts 26/06/2008 14:12:24
#204

"Mohamed Elbaradei's wife is an Iranian, plain and clear".

....So what is the relevance of his wife being Iranian?

Is someone trying to suggest that El Baradei is recommending that Iran not be attacked because his wife is Iranian?

For you people who believe this, maybe you should consider that should Iran be attacked they have the capacity, staying power and wherewithall to create exactly what El Baradei says.

You people who foster this falsehood should also believe that George W. Bush facilitated the decapitating of Saddam Hussein because of the threat to his father's life.
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26/06/2008 15:08:48
Cubic's rube

Point of information:

George W. Bush facilitated the decapitating of Saddam Hussein because of the threat to his own life, if Saddam were to stand trial at The Hague and spill the beans about his work for the USA.
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at arm's length 26/06/2008 15:21:19
#208 bill2,
Well said, Saddam had far too much information, and possibly could have taken the whole Bush Administration down with him. Mind you, he would have taken Senior and his former administration to the gallows with him, for he was well informed about their doings and involvement. We also know that Osama will have his neck stretched as well, for he too knows far too much. The American leadership will stop at nothing to hide the truth, even if that means murder, as they have proven so many times.
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Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 17:59:51
If #94 was removed...then we know who removed it..don't we? Surely it wasn't one of us...had to be one of you from FH..Are you afraid people now know the truth? All the name calling to me does not change the facts. You are all nothing but TROLLS..
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Lempäälä 26/06/2008 19:16:32
Lynne

Well, again we see you making accusations with absolutely no evidence. Accusations that are in themselves flawed: FH is an open access site, Lynne, as you very well know plus (and I can only speak for myself) it's far far better to leave your posts up; the more bloodthirsty, racist,insulting and rude they are, the more I think they should be left for all to see.

True colours, Lynne, true colours.



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Lempäälä 26/06/2008 19:22:36
No, Lynne, not satisfied with my last post: it's not enough....

Look at you post at 210, Lynne. Read it, please.

"If #94 was removed...then we know who removed it..don't we? Surely it wasn't one of us...had to be one of you from FH"

1. .."then WE know",
2. "don't we?"
3. "wasn't one of US"
4. "had to be one of YOU"

While I think I have the gist at to who "YOU" is/are (an entire website with 5000 hits per month) I am confused as to who "WE" and "US" are.

Frightening, Lynne. Really scary.
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Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 23:07:10
#213...What are you afraid of? Not enough people at FH..too plain for your liking? The rules not right?
No one can debate? All Yes men there? This the only place you can "stir the pot"?

I saved the post #94 from Iran Warns of Drug Tsunami..I'll just repost it so Linus could read it!!
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Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 23:08:14
#94...who is going to delete it this time?

I also post on the FH site and several months ago I let readers here know that on the FH White Board there were members making suggestions on various ways to troll the Scotsman.

Since then Djookers, TSW, and Finnking do not speak of such things anymore and keep all such talk between their personal e-mail. There has been some what I can ony call describe as "chatter" recently.

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Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 23:24:16
the person who wrote #94 was named Another Friend, and it was found on the article "Iran warns of drug tsunami.." on page 1
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Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 23:41:31
I just checked...it is still there..on the original post..obviously you weren't looking too hard.
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at arm's length 27/06/2008 02:54:02
#215 Lynne,
As you can plainly see, my name wasn't mentioned , for the simple fact that I stand alone and am not associated with anybody. The only one I do associate with is Dragon's 'tale', a friend of mine that I've known for over 50 years. I am a newcomer to this site, I have no idea who this 'Another Friend' is, and I really wish that you can get past all this and just show us your views on any of the articles, without accusing people of being somebody else. You clearly know where I stand on this particular article, and I still think that the US needs to stay at home and tend to their numerous problems, quit giving away money in military aid and learn to accept that the rest of the world has different views on everything, from religion, politics and whatever you can think of.
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Palm Beach Gardens 27/06/2008 03:33:16
Linus,there is no need to explain to me. Finnking, and the others have not ingratiated themselves to me, with all their insults and name calling.
I have been here for over a year and a half. In that time I have encountered the most anti-American, Anti-Israel Anti-Jewish hatred..most built upon a conglomeration of lies and myths that they try to pass off as facts.

As a matter of fact, it's impossible to have rational conversations with people who, resort to lies and perpetuate them. You can prove over and over again, and again and show them they are wrong about certain things, and they go right to the next article and repeat the same lies over again.
I don't care if they dislike my gov't, and I don't care if they believe in G-d, or don't believe in G-d, but they should have the same respect for others instead of insulting them and and mocking them.
There are a few people on here I wouldn't bother to answer..not worth my time anymore.
We give money to almost everyone (countries)...even the Palestinians, who got more than Israel .When this war first began, we were told it was going to be a long war..we were told that this new gov't in Iraq was not what we think a democracy is, but THEIR form of democracy, with everyone sharing the burden of the gov't and how it works. People conveniently seem to forget this. We have accepted it, their gov't now has Sunnis and Shiites and whoever else they want, and if this gov't of theirs is going to work, it has to be given a chance. NOTHING happens over night.

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at arm's length 27/06/2008 06:45:49
#219 Lynne,
The problem Lynne is that neither we nor the Americans have the right to force our believes and political system on anybody, it goes against everything that Democracy supposedly represents. That we as a team went in and rid Iraq and the world of Saddam hussein, that was a good thing, a damn good thing. Why is it that we continue to be there? It is most definitely not helping the citisens of Iraq, your service men and women, as well as ours, are losing their lives, for what? Do you really believe that Iraq will ever be what we expect from them? Do you honestly think that we make a difference for the good? At how many millions of dead bodies are we going to say, Mission Accomplished? I don't get it Lynne, do you? Why do you think that we are there? Do you really believe that people like Blair, Bush and Brown really care about the citisens of Iraq, or their own citisens for that matter? Unfortunately it is a money game, and we are mere mosquitoes to them, and they'll snuff us out if we are stupid enough to stand in their way. As long as we can pay our share, we will be spared, but don't look to them for help, the minute you do, you are costing them money, and it's a one way street, we pay, they take. Iraq has the oil, that represents a lot of money, and that's why we are there. Yes Lynne, it's that simple. America does give a lot of money to a lot of countries, but why is that? It is to gain footholds in other places, exploit other countries, and the saying goes, you have to spend money to make money. In the meantime your own citisens are on the backburner, getting neglected at every level, and getting raped by your 'caring' politicians. It has just been ruled that you're all allowed to arm yourselves for personal protection, for the government knows damn well that you'll turn your guns on each other, saving them the problem of getting rid of the unwanted misfits. It's high time for you to wake up Lynne, take a few steps back, and take a good long look at
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at arm's length 27/06/2008 07:37:51
#219 Lynne, Continued,
what's happening with your good old US of A, it's so obviously clear to the rest of the world. If you could lose your arrogance, that would be a great start. Grant it, you're not as arrogant as 57Nomad, that boy is totally obnoxious, but you do show an arrogance that is hard to tolerate, and it doesn't help your cause any. You must be aware of how the rest of the world perceives Americans, and it's because of the arrogance. If the rest of the world united, we could snuff you out in a very short time, but we're not of the same mentality as the Americans, lucky for you. We realise that we have more than our share of domestic problems that we need to solve, and the rest of the world can solve their own problems.
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at arm's length 27/06/2008 15:40:40
Tiang,
Well, well, well,
I see that your GP(s) are still lying to you, your blood pressure has maxed out. The only thing that has saved you so far is this 'no brain, no pain' theory. Why is it that you get so excited? Is it because you have an inferiority complex because of your lack of English skills? Or is it it because you are short and suffer from that 'little man' syndrome? Or is it because you lack education and knowledge? You get rattled far too easy, and Dragon's 'tale' told you before, relax buddy, take it easy, breathe through your nose, and above all, smile. I have to agree with Dragon's 'tale', your English kinda sucks, you need to study some more, read the story again, and give us your clear opinion on how you really feel about this issue. I may very well be your boss, you don't know if I am or not, but I do know one thing for sure, I live in the same area as you do, and I've seen you around on a few occasions.
Try to forget about Dragon's 'tale and myself for just a wee while, concentrate on this story, lower your blood pressure, and give us your true opinion. and yes, that is an order. Follow that order and everything will be alright, you'll be forgiven, and your blood pressure will come down all by itself. Now why is it that you love Israel, the US and the Roman Catholic Church so much?
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at arm's length 28/06/2008 01:55:38
#229 Tiang,
You are right, I'm not a native English speaker, I came here from Ghana last year and am trying to learn this language, but it is oh so difficult. Maybe you can give me some pointers, correct my mistakes, put me on the right track. I've been here all of a year, and I need to do far better than this, this just won't do. Can you do that for me buddy? Please, it will be appreciated and I won't shame my family any longer. I told them that I had become fluent in English, but both you and I know that I have lied to them. Just think Tiang, you can be my teacher, my BOSS, now that will sure turn the tables, won't it? I don't care, I'm humble, and I will gladly learn all that you can teach me, and I will be able to feel as important as you do. Thanks buddy, I had you pegged all wrong before, you really are a nice guy.
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at arm's length 28/06/2008 02:11:06
#229 Tiang,
You are right, I don't live in your area, I can't afford it, my English is not good enough. I see you go by, I envy you, and I wonder what it takes to reach as high as you have reached, and I think to myself, Tiang sure has it made, what does it take to get there? I'm just a foreigner, get treated like a dog, just because I'm not as good as you. Well Tiang, if you can help me reach that pinnacle, I'll be forever grateful to you, and maybe one day I can do something good for you. You know what they say. "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours."
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LD,

28/06/2008 08:16:53
#207 Cubic’s rube
You remind me of someone coming here as a busbody, who rants and babbles but knows nuts of the real issue leading to exchange of posts between MisterN and I. So read the above posts including from the other posters to apprehend before spouting out your usual nonsense. No one except you who suggested and brought up Mohamed Elbaradei’s recommendation issue. No where here did I advocate war or attacking Iran. You are not a clairvoyant. So stop trying to be one, and predicting what in store for the future is. Your last paragraph is irrelevant.
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Foreign parts 28/06/2008 08:33:31
#234 LD

"Your last paragraph is irrelevant".

....I suggest your whole post is irrelevant.

I am not commenting on either yours or Mister N's posts. There is no substance in yours about which to comment. I am commenting on Muskrat's #1 post.

You added: "You are not a clairvoyant".

....Now how would you know that, are you a clairvoyant?
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at arm's length 28/06/2008 09:15:40
#232 and #233, Vehm Gericht,
Don't you know when you see sarcasm? I'm playing with Tiang here, he get's too serious about life, I've told him so on many occasions, but he fails to see that. Maybe sarcasm is something that he is familiar and recognises, and then he can go on with life without so much tension. Just doing my usual good deeds for the Scotsman members here, that's all.

Now in what way may I help you kind sir?


And yes, I can understand basic German, but since I only work there from time to time, it isn't necessary to know the language fluently, so no, I can't understand all of it. Their English is pretty damn good, and I work in far too many countries to actually learn all their languages.

How again is it that I may help you?
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28/06/2008 09:35:45
#235 Cubic's rube
Keep spinning lies to yourself! Read your odd post at #207. If you stated you were not commenting on my post, why direct your post to me then? There’s absolutely nothing of substance worth to take note of from your comment! Even you yourself are ‘irrelevant’. If you are no clairvoyant, then don’t try to be one, predicting what the future holds. It was you who tried to be smart, behaving as if you were a clairvoyant! Use your brain to think, the circumstances leading to why I brought up the subject of clairvoyant, you needn’t have to ask me how would I know or who I am for that matter.
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at arm's length 28/06/2008 15:59:59
#238 Tiang,
Like I told Vehm Gericht before, and I will tell you now, I may have been born at night , but it wasn't last night. I would be very stupid to reveal my real identity here, or anywhere else, only a moron would do that.
Now if I happen to see somebody like you come on here, of course I can't resist, I need to play. I told you that a couple of weeks ago, but either you have a short memory or you don't care to listen, I really don't care. Bottom line is, you are far too serious when somebody says something to you, and I exploit that. I have a job that exposes me to people in very tragic situations, and if I let that bother me, I would become just like you, but I don't want to become just like you, so I play when I see the opportunity. I remove myself from my job as often as possible, so that I can stay sane. The good thing about my job is that I don't work for anybody in particular, so I can be myself, and that's who you see here in the comments section.
I contribute to the articles, explain and defend my views, but guys like you sidetrack me, and I like to see what I can get out of that, that's not my fault, you should learn to come here a little less serious, and not be so defensive about yourself. None of us know who you are, we could really care less as to who you are, just give us your opinion about any given article, and be off to the next one, or hang around here if you like, nobody cares.
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at arm's length 28/06/2008 18:14:41
#240 Tiang,
Still not listening I see, oh well, it's your blood pressure, your health, I tried, but nice guys like me always finish last, and I'll be the last one you'll listen to, for I'm far too nice. Maybe they'll say something nice about you at your funeral, let's hope so anyways, or let's hope that somebody will at least show up at your funeral. You know the undertaker will be there, so it's not a complete flop.
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Foreign parts 29/06/2008 02:25:02
Here's an article for the likes of Lynne and partners in crime, to read, digest and thereafter claim as an absolute lie.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/60yearsofdivision/2008/05/200861505832774965.html
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Foreign parts 29/06/2008 02:28:29
#237 LD

Why don't you settle down for a while and then try posting something with a bit of coherence.
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Your own post at #244 is irrelevant where MisterN and I are concerned. Take your time to read the posts above before spinning, to look out for the main cause that prompted me to respond to MisterN or else don't bother.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 30/06/2008 15:28:43
Lynne

No, Lynne, i'm perfectly happy with FH, and BBC, Guardian etc.

Is that okay with you, mon cher?

 

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