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Published Date: 02 November 2008
FIRST they forced Cathy Jamieson to stick a cork in it, and now the monks of Buckfast Abbey have demanded a vow of silence from her successor.
The distributors of the tonic wine have expressed their anger after Kenny MacAskill referred to 'Buckie' in a parliamentary debate aimed at curbing irresponsible drinking and anti-social behaviour.

The distributors of Buckfast, which is particula
rly popular with youths in west central Scotland, have accused the Justice Minister of demonising their product and have demanded a face-to-face meeting with MacAskill.

But the Scottish Government has refused to back down and insisted it would not be dissuaded from standing up for communities that are being blighted by the consequences of binge-drinking. Jamieson, the justice minister in the previous Labour-led administration, famously called for off-licences to stop selling the potent beverage, but was forced to make a humiliating U-turn after the firm threatened to take legal action.

The latest spat centres on a remark MacAskill made during a recent Holyrood debate on the Government's plans to raise the age at which people can buy alcohol from shops from 18 to 21.

The SNP minister responded to a taunt from Tory MSP Murdo Fraser that the move was ill thought-out and discriminatory by declaring: "The Conservatives have moved on from David Cameron's hug-a-hoodie plan to Murdo Fraser's free bottle of Buckie or David McLetchie's gie-them-aw-a-cairrie-oot idea."

In the same debate, SNP backbencher Dave Thompson claimed that communities in the Highlands were suffering from increased anti-social behaviour as a direct result of off-licences offering cut-price deals on Buckfast.

The comments have provoked the ire of J Chandler & Co, which distributes the wine, made by Devonshire monks, across the UK.

Spokesman Jim Wilson said: "Why is the Justice Secretary singling out Buckfast? Why is he not mentioning any other brand of alcohol? For Mr MacAskill and other politicians to keep making cheap pops about Buckfast is just not on.

"We will be looking to meet up with the minister and put our point of view across to him robustly."

Wilson added: "The last politician who attempted to single out Buckfast was Cathy Jamieson. Kenny MacAskill may have taken over from Ms Jamieson, but sadly he doesn't appear to have learned from her mistakes.

"I have to say to our politicians, before you stand up and make accusations and link us to all sorts of problems, why don't you have the courtesy to phone us first? If they did they would find out that we too are totally against anti-social behaviour and share their goal of promoting responsible drinking."

The alcohol firm said it deliberately neither advertised nor promoted the brand and personally visited off-licences across Scotland to try to dissuade shop owners from including Buckfast in discount deals and two-for-one offers.

"We are being more than responsible, yet politicians like MacAskill continue to just open their mouths and let their thoughts gush out without checking the facts. We are getting really fed up of being targeted in this way."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman declined to apologise and said there would be no let up in its campaign to get tough on alcohol-related problems.

She said: "Communities blighted by alcohol abuse across Scotland know all too well the problems that it's causing. That is why we are determined to tackle the problem.

"We've made a number of bold proposals – from introducing minimum pricing to banning irresponsible promotions – designed to address the drinking to get drunk culture.

"The damage is laid bare in many communities every weekend, and the simple fact is that this is a problem. We know that it's not just one product or brands of alcohol to blame; every responsible drinks producer has a role to play to help solve this problem.

"But let me be clear. We can't go on as we are and we will take action to change this and make no apology to the drinks industry for doing so."

In 2005 Jamieson publicly called on traders to stop selling 'Buckie', claiming that it was fuelling a wave of anti-social behaviour among underage drinkers in her constituency. However, the call backfired when the publicity resulted in a surge in sales of the 15%-strength wine, which sells for around £5 for a 750ml bottle.

Jamieson was barracked by a group of youths in Ayrshire chanting "Don't ban the Buckie" during a live interview on BBC Scotland.

The former deputy Scottish Labour leader later backed down after Buckfast claimed that she had broken the licensing act, which states that you cannot ban or influence the sale of a particular product, and threatened to sue her.





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  • Last Updated: 01 November 2008 7:38 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

democrate,

central Scotland 02/11/2008 00:26:35
Here goes

Buckie is singled out as it is by far the most popular and strongest cheapest drink freely available throughout Scotland, esp in the West. Is that enough justification?
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02/11/2008 02:33:22
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 02:45:14
Kenny MacAskil has the support of the Scottish Community on this one. Its time for honest decent folk to take stand. We want our communities back, and we want our bairns protected from money hungry Devonshire Manufacturers who probably havent barred one retailer for selling Buckie to the underaged in Scotland.

Tell them where to go Kenny. Stand up for Scotlands Peoples Welfare, not the welfare of people who make a profit out of Scottish Community Degradation.
4

The Tin Man,

02/11/2008 07:02:32
Make binge drinking illegal now!

Give the police the power to breathalise anyone suspected of binge-drinking. Six minths in prison for everyone caught with more than the legal blood-alcohol content.

Oh... no.... I think we'll just blame teenagers for something.... again... that'll sort it out... erm...
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Guga II,

Rockall 02/11/2008 07:58:15
#3.

Speak for yourself, not the Scottish community.

That well known drinker, and total waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, does not have the support you suggest; far from it.

This is the man who, rather than try and enforce existing, and very adequate, legislation, wants to bring in a whole raft of new legislation, most of which will be either unworkable or unenforceable. This is the man that wants to criminalise the vast majority of 18-21 year olds who do not cause problems through drink.

This is also the waste of space who doesn't want to gaol any wee neds and thugs under the age of eighteen, even if they are violent and dangerous.

This man is bereft of any decent ideas, and instead relies upon the garbage policies and ideas he brought over from the Liebour party.

The sooner wee Eck gets rid of him, the better.
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Kate,

Zurich 02/11/2008 08:08:36
Guga, well put! Banning a specific drink will only make another take its place. Making criminals out of innocent 18-21 year olds who are mostly drinking responsibly is no help. Refusing to imprison the real thugs and hooligans who terrorise communities at evenings and weekends is narrow minded, stupid pandering to the PC brigade.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

02/11/2008 08:49:52
The Mad Mentol Monks o Buckie will slash yer coupon if ye try n stoap oor bevvvy bein’ produced ya basss !
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bobwmac,

Strilingshire/New Mexico 02/11/2008 09:39:11
The distributors of the tonic wine may be angry, but not so angry as the population whose neighbourhoods are invaded by the drinkers of their product.

When Jamieson suggested banning the foul conconction, Buckfast "threatened to take legal action". On what grounds? The right to retard and destroy communities? In such a case one side of the scales of justice would hold profit from misery, the other the right to a peaceful existence.

But Jamieson picked the wrong targets, she should have torn up a few off-sales certificates and enforced the law which covers street drinking.
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 02/11/2008 09:55:11
simply close down any place that sells alchohol to underage drinkers, no warning, you lose your license for a first offence.
increase the tax on any alchohol of more than 3% to the highest level available, which isuppose is that on spirits
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/11/2008 11:06:37
As a former resident of Greenock, who has travelled the World and lived in Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Canada, Thailand, China and now Indonesia, I believe I can offer a different perspective.

In Canada to combat underage drinking they issue Photo ID that must be shown to purchase alcohol. In most provinces the Drinking Age is 19, which was chosen because it reduced the contact between those able to legally drink and school children. If you are found to be Drunk on the Street (no matter what age) the police will charge you with being drunk in a public place. This wont stop teens from drinking but it will make them keep a low profile when they do. It is not their drinking per see that causes the most problems for people but their behaviour when they are drunk.

Guga may be right in that what is required is the will to enforce existing laws rather than new laws. But in Scotland the problem is so great it will require draconian enforcement.

I know from experience that most people in Greenock will not go out in the evenings for fear of being assaulted by drink fueled wee monsters. Obviously there parents have completely failed in controlling them so it is necessary for society to act.

The police need to adopt a zero tolerance policy to teenage drinking. If your caught you will be locked up until your parents come to get you. They will be given the choice of paying your fine, or going to court. If they go to court and loose they will pay the fine plus the court costs.

If your parents don't what to come and collect you, then you will stay in the cells until your court date at which time if found guilty you will have to pay the fine and the costs to get released. If you cant or wont pay your fine then you will be given a custodial sentence.

If your drinking has caused you to committ an act of violence then you should be kept in custody until the courts have dealt with you.

This wont stop teenagers getting drunk but it may be a sufficient deterrent that
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/11/2008 11:23:16
#10 Continued,

This wont stop teenagers getting drunk but it may be a sufficient deterrent that they do so quietly and not become a public nuisance.

As far as the Idiot monks of Buckfast are concerned, they should be told in no uncertain terms to buck off.

I would love to see a "Buckfest" organized in their community.You could entice all the tear aways to participate by providing round trip bus service and unlimited amounts of Buckfast when the coaches get to Devonshire.

It will undoubtedly make the Rangers supporters in Manchester look like a Sunday School picnic by comparison.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/11/2008 11:25:37
I have no sympathy for the manufacturers of booze, but honestly - Mr McAskill's grandstanding is pointless. He is not serious. I initially took him seriously and I supported his apparent good intentions when he said he would take action, but he hasn't actually DONE anything. He's is just a big hypocrite full of bluster and blellum.

It isn't the manufacturers who are at fault, it's the dealers. If he really wants to help, crack down on them.

For a start, he should show some leadership to drastically reduce of sales booze licences. Any newsagent or grocers shop can get a booze licence and fill the back of the van at a cash and carry and they are a dealer, complete with ratty mis-spelt dayglo posters in the windows. But make sure that supermarkets aren't able to get a licence.

And lets take a good hard look at the cash and carries. Why are they in the supply chain for booze? They don't need to be.

Next, make licencing committees withdraw off sales licences from shops that break this law. And that should be the shop, not the person, and it should be a perpetual ban.

And get the courts to impose long prison sentences for licensees who sell booze to children, or to adults who it is obvious are buying booze to sell on to children.

Also, a mandatory child protection investigation in the case of children who are found to have been drinking. The parents need to be checked out to see if they or someone else are abusing their kids, as drug and alcohol use is one of the possible indicators. If they want to keep the social workers away from their door they better make sure their kids aren't drinking.

The effect of this needs to be specialist vintners with properly trained and managed staff, selling only booze at whatever the economic price is.

All of this can be done under devolved powers held by the Scottish Parliament.

If he wanted to stop transmission of booze across the border, he'll just have to be nicer to his UK government counterparts,
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/11/2008 11:27:21
continued -

If he wanted to stop transmission of booze across the border, he'll just have to be nicer to his UK government counterparts, but since he isn't really serious, he's not going to bother.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/11/2008 11:31:34
As an example of shops cashing in, did you all know thar RS McColl, the newsagent and sweetie shop, operates a network of alcohol dealers under the brand name "Booze Busters"? So when schoolchildren go in for their sweeties at lunchtime they are entering an off sales where the local alkies go in for their buckfast. What is the social value of that?
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bill-alba,

fife 02/11/2008 11:38:08
It makes no difference what any politician says about buckie..I have a 17yr old and on Friday night he can't wait to get with his friends for a bottle of buckie..I don't know what the answer is to try and curb binge drinking..but as for buckie it tastes awful and when he gets to 18 he will be able to go to the pub and that will be the end of the bottle of buckie..
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 02/11/2008 11:46:12
When we were in Devon a few years ago we visited the abbey where this drink is made. A beautiful place. However,out of interest, I checked quite a few of the offsales in the area and none appeared to stock or sell this drink.
The only place you could buy it was the abbey visitor centre. Ban it in Scotland!
17

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 02/11/2008 12:46:12
The SNP has lost the plot, the battle and my vote on its absurd stand against alcohol.
18

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 13:41:28
#3 The logical conclusion to your argument is to ban all alcohol. Am I right?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 14:17:32
#17 So you would have us believe that you are deserting the SNP because of their policy on alcohol.

Not credible i'm afraid.

Troll !
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old scrotum,

leith 02/11/2008 15:39:03
"my young happy inebriated (pi$$ed)freinds"
I have been a happy and contented "BUCKFAST" enthusiast for over a decade now,but its a bit to expensive as the heating bills have gone through the roof and up the chimney,so i,ve been suppin this stuff called "NOBLEMAN"from "LIDL"it is a fortified British
wine(15%)7.5 LITRE and only £2.65 a bottle and propels you to the same state of NIRVANA as the "BUCKIE"it is also available in a white version,which the young ladies might prefer,
"HAPPY DRINKIN MA YOUNG HOOLIGAN PALS"
MAY SWINNEYS BLADDER EXPLODE WITH THE"MOET CHANDON"
Hee Hee Hee
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peem birrell,

cowdenbeath 02/11/2008 16:27:07
Look - whatever you think about the SNP alcohol policy get one thing straight.

Buckie is *not* cheap. In fact the cost per unit of alcohol is more than the minimum proposed by the SNP.

This is just one reason why a sensible policy would recognise that cost is not the driver of youth alcohol abuse and subsequent neddery - note - subsequent doesn't necessarily mean consequent. Plenty of kids drink too much and don't behave in an anti-social way.
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02/11/2008 18:55:48
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Douglas,

Bathgate 02/11/2008 20:58:42
A young and thrusting young colleague informs me that he can drink two bottles but it really f*cks him up the next few days.
How does life become this empty and aimless? He can't tell me.
I'd imagine that there's something pretty addictive in the wine that keeps so many coming back for such a rotten experience over and over again.
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Calvinist,

02/11/2008 21:32:16
Why don't the SNP ask their friend Cardinal O.Brien, to tell his monks to stop selling this nasty drink to little boys? Or is he too busy re-writing the history of WWII?
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03/11/2008 01:11:28
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 01/02/2009 15:45:38
yes kenny has to really think through some of his plans,but i have noticed that ,the concentration of buckie swiggers seems to be mainly in labour held wards
so the monks are angry,tut tut so much for being holy and god fearing chaps
letting kids ruin their lives with their evil brew
sold as a health tonic?,more like a healthy bank account tonic
they are like the proabition mobsters,flood the market with cheap booze,stand back ,watch the punters get hooked then supply more of their muck
nearly every scottish comedy has at one time mentioned buckie,its like free advertisemeant
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Munguin,

15/02/2009 12:24:58
Those dear religious people at Buckfast who continue to pedal "wreck the hoose juice" as a "tonic" wine (no tonic value disclaimer on every bottle) should han their heads in shame. This vile and revolting substance contains a high alcohol content with a stiff caffine shot which gets our youngsters not only pissed but wired at the same time. It's potent and it's cheap that is as far as I am concerned reason enough to o something about it!

Chandlers want to promote sensible drinking do they? Well they could start by toning this stuff down couldn't they? They know it's a problem drink for Scots youths, but the fact of the matter is they dont care. They recently applied to extend their brewery and produce as much of this "commotion lotion" as can e poured down our young binge drinkers necks. I hope Kenny tells them to get lost in no uncertain terms!

 

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