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Published Date: 13 April 2008
ALEX Salmond allowed a ScottishPower lobbyist with close links to the SNP to agree the timing of a statement in which the First Minister opposed takeover plans for the firm.
Private e-mails obtained by Scotland on Sunday show Phil Henderson, head of public affairs for ScottishPower, had extensive access to Salmond ahead of the statement and even agreed a delay with his officials.

In February, Salmond went public to back Spanish energy company Iberdrola – the owner of ScottishPower – amid rumours it was about to be taken over by French firm EDF.

Salmond's political opponents last night described the access and apparent influence enjoyed by Henderson – a former SNP official – as "extraordinary". One Labour MP said she would refer the matter to financial watchdogs to check whether any rules had been broken.

But the SNP described the complaints as "contrived guff", and insisted the First Minister was merely protecting Scottish interests by speaking up against a rival bid that could have cost the country jobs and investment.

The controversy began in February, when rumours first surfaced that Iberdrola was about to be taken over by state-owned EDF. On February 6, Henderson e-mailed the First Minister's senior advisers, updating them on the discussions.

E-mails obtained under Freedom of Information legislation show that Henderson wrote: "Further to our conversation on Friday, you'll know FM (First Minister] has agreed to issue a statement in support of Iberdrola. I spoke to Alex on Friday and he agreed it was sensible to postpone any statement until later this week."

ScottishPower then asked Salmond's aides to update it on their plans so they could inform Iberdrola in Madrid.

Two weeks later, on February 24, the statement was issued. Prior to its release, one of Salmond's senior special advisers, Will McLeish, e-mailed press officers at the Scottish Government, saying: "I have been coordinating with ScottishPower's Phil Henderson … I will speak to Phil on Sunday morning ... and then call to ask for it to be released."

After the release, in a further e-mail to McLeish, Henderson writes: "Thanks again for all your assistance in pulling together the statement."

The revelations come after Salmond has been criticised over the access he has given to other powerful players, such as Donald Trump and hotel owner Donald MacDonald.

Industry insiders stressed last night that Henderson, a well-respected public affairs expert, was simply doing what any other person in his position would do and that there was no question of any wrongdoing on Henderson's, or ScottishPower's, part.

But Labour MPs last night claimed Salmond's actions could be open to accusations he breached rules on fair market trading.

Labour's Rosemary McKenna said: "These are utterly extraordinary e-mails. It is unprecedented for the First Minister to agree the timing of their releases with a company in a takeover bid.

"This is a serious matter and I am considering referring his actions to the relevant regulatory authorities for action."

The move comes just two years after the SNP mounted a vigorous campaign to prevent Iberdrola buying ScottishPower, when it claimed that the takeover of such a "strategically important company" was against Scotland's interests.

Former UK energy minister Brian Wilson added: "I am surprised by the degree of collusion between a political interest and a commercial one, particularly since the First Minister was just as hostile to Iberdrola at the time they were buying ScottishPower as he now is to EDF."

He added: "The problem with this kind of intervention is that it can rapidly become counter-productive. If EDF succeed in buying Iberdrola, of which ScottishPower is a relatively small part, they will be under absolutely no obligation to the Scottish Government."

But a spokesman for the First Minister said: "On a daily basis, hundreds of organisations are in touch with ministers and officials on a range of issues. The fact that a ScottishPower official was once employed by the SNP is irrelevant, as is the previous employment history of the many hundreds of people in contact with government."

He added: "When the First Minister decides to make a public statement on an issue of substantial Scottish interest, as on this occasion, it would be absurd for officials not to liaise with the relevant organisation.

"In the context of rising domestic fuel prices, there is already concern about lack of competition in the industry given the relatively small number of energy suppliers, and the prospect of that number declining further through takeover."

But claims the merger would reduce competitiveness were disputed last night by Energywatch Scotland, the consumer watchdog. Spokesman Graham Kerr said: "The company's costs would be lower if there was a buyout and so there would be both a dividend for shareholders and for consumers."

A spokesman for ScottishPower said the statement on the takeover had been Salmond's decision. "Phil Henderson has good relationships with … all levels of government from all parties," he said.

But the SNP is also facing questions about why it has not intervened with other firms, such as the Scottish-based British Energy, which is also facing a potential takeover by EDF.

One of the e-mails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act
One of the e-mails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act

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1

Angus Ogg,

12/04/2008 21:08:28
Jings, Eddie,

Talk about "light the blue touchpaper".

2

DER FUHRER,

13/04/2008 00:08:07
"But the SNP described the complaints as "contrived guff".

Fantastic use of the English language.
3

Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 00:08:53
Another non story Eddie??

How do you get away with this drivel??

What about the latest opinion polls???

Have a read of the Times and the Mail on Sunday.
4

McX,

13/04/2008 00:11:59
Still amazes me that SoS is so compliant when it comes to new New Labour shenanigans and dirty tricks. Anyone seen their lovely poll yet?

http://tinyurl.com/4nxtlj
5

McX,

13/04/2008 00:21:19
Jackie, how soon before we hear stories of Salmond eating babies, abusing puppies or ignoring vulnerable two year olds? Oh wait...
6

Matt there,

somewhere 13/04/2008 00:30:27
Non-story sensation! In a remarkable twist, the Scotsman published another searing non-story.

When asked why, a sauce said: "Well, if we hadn't have run that story, the editor would have been cross for wasting FOI questions, so we had to run with it, even though they didn't prove anyone had done anything wrong, really. Do you think anyone will notice?"
7

subrosa,

13/04/2008 00:54:01
Good to see industry and our government have an excellent business relationship.

'Private e-mails obtained by Scotland on Sunday'

Not very private were they? How come FOI can divulge private emails?
8

Senga Jean,

Scotland 13/04/2008 01:01:40
This story is definitely not contrived guff . IT IS PLAIN UNADULTERATED GUFF. Read the article carefully and you see only guff!
9

Spotter,

13/04/2008 01:07:42
here salmond is a bigger story in teh SOS than either dithering brown or mugabe

salmond is some man at commanding headlines

way to go alex man
10

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 13/04/2008 01:09:19
Was Donald Trump not an ex-member of the SNP too Hootsman?

Guff indeed.
11

Spotter,

13/04/2008 01:18:36
snp 10 - sos 0

:-)

side splitting
12

Spotter,

13/04/2008 01:20:41
have u heard of the first minister breathes and emits CO2 -- its next weeks "shock" story in the SOS

can anyone guess the week after

as the article is (again) an irrelevance we might as well amuse ourselves :-)
13

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13/04/2008 01:24:22
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Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 13/04/2008 01:25:57
Watch 14 taken off before 1.45am
15

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13/04/2008 01:37:59
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Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 13/04/2008 01:41:48
An exclusive TNS System Three poll has found that 41% of Scots want the SNP government to negotiate an independence settlement, compared to 40% who are opposed to breaking up the UK.
17

DaveK,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 01:42:53
Interesting that a bunch of individuals can continually comment that this paper is sh1te, yet feel the necessity to read it and more bizarrely comment on it particularly at such an early hour. Mmmm the SNP is getting its troops to work overtime these days.
18

walter,

13/04/2008 01:56:53
If these very same actions had been used by a Labour government especially if it had two years previously condemned the very company which it was now aiding and a former Labour official was now the head of public affairs for that company the indignation of those that have posted and those that will post in the defence of the SNP would have been overwhelming.
Their hypocrisy is mindboggling.
19

Fanling,

Hong Kong 13/04/2008 01:57:25
#7 Matt there,somewhere

"When asked why, a sauce said ..."

Was that HP, Daddies or Heinz?
20

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 13/04/2008 02:03:44
DAVE
Do you realy think that some storys in this paper can be classed as 'fair journalism'.
Well i don't, and as an SNP member and a Scot born and bred,
I do not like to see a fair minded goverment who are doing what Lie bour SHOULD be doing, being castigated in this way.
Just look at the name behind these story's....EDDIE BARNES...UNIONIST to the core.

Its maybe an 'Early Hour' to you, but its an hour before work for me.

Hope yer trams break down
21

R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

13/04/2008 02:07:12
#18 - dave - I am no member of the SNP but voted for them last time. All I see in this article is some labour researcher passing the dutuful Eddie a smoldering gun and eddie fanning it to make it smoke.
22

DaveK,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 02:13:18
I neither claimed it was fair or unfair, nor do I remember mentioning my politics, although all too often if someone doesn't agree with a particular view held by the SNP they are lambasted as being unpatriotic or slapped down. If you know Eddie to be a Unionist, why even bother, read the nationalist press and drink more IRN BRU, that will help. I find the beligierent attitude by some quite childish, and for there to be a passing shot about trams just proves the point. the irony being, if they do break down, you'll end up paying for it anyway!
23

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 13/04/2008 02:15:56
Much of the unionists approach to Scottish politics is crypto-facist and Barnes is one of their front-line propagandists.

Thank the lordy for the internet. These 'journalists' are so unbelievable that people are just switching off.

Trump, Avimore and now this - lies, damned lies, statistics and Scotsman propagandists..
24

R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

13/04/2008 02:17:01
This article is more "the Strange case of a journalist too close to its masters"
25

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 13/04/2008 02:17:08
I see SOS ignores the latest poll as quoted in the Sunday Herald....

"An exclusive TNS System Three poll has found that 41% of Scots want the SNP government to negotiate an independence settlement, compared to 40% who are opposed to breaking up the UK."

It's their lead story, unlike the Johnston press who have tried and failed to dig the dirt (again) on Alex Salmond.
26

democrate,

13/04/2008 03:14:20
Rosemary McKenna wd be the MSP for where? Whoops, not an MSP;only an MP with her own job on the line; not before time of course.
27

Willie Macleod,

Wick 13/04/2008 03:16:29
#27 And here I was thinking that the First Minister was like the Queen and doesnt eject wind . I am more concerned about what he says and does than what comes out of his rear end.
28

buccleuch,

Glasgow 13/04/2008 04:37:35
Why the typically parochial 'Edinburgh' default location default ... oh well what do you expect from THE CAPITAL.

Yes, as Edddie was simpering last week online that, god forbid, there was bias in SOS. But low and behold, TWO polls showing a 10% increase in support for independence and NOT REPORTED. Just the usual CLAPTRAP from Eddie.
29

langtonian,

scotus 13/04/2008 05:38:07
#26Andrew Bod
Seems to me no outside party/paper needs to "dig the dirt"

The SNP has a natural affinity to expose to all and sundry a whole raft of doubtfull,deceiptful,gerrymandering.

Ah So!- The "Scottish Power" affair,to name but one,would have been latched on to as Political chicanery,Political double/dealing, and worse,if the SNP.had been in opposition.

What goes around comes around.

Independant Scot. Living within the geographical boundaries of the UK.
30

Nikostratos,

13/04/2008 06:15:05
'collusion Good smeary word..........snp.so different yet so much like all the rest.Wonder how they got the emails.
31

brownlie,

13/04/2008 06:35:33
31 Langtonian

Brilliant posts - us unionists thrive on accusations without facts. Your "Ah so" nearly describes you perfectly.
32

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 06:38:48
Did you read the latest from Westminster about Brown announcing a reduction of the tax rate from 22% to 20% last year, but deliberately failing to inform Westminster and the People of this group of countries that he intended to scrap the 10% rate for those on menial incomes.

Now that is a crime that demands punishment from the people. 650,000 people will be paying higher tax out of the pittance they get from employers who would pay the minimum wages. You know the ones who support immigration and the New Numpties, who betrayed the people they used to help before they all become yuppies.

41% support the Scottish Government led by Prime Minister Salmond negotiating an agreement for the Independance of Scotland. 40% wish to stay in the UK and 19% were undesided.

Under the referendum rules laid down by Westminster before, shouldnt 40% be enough for Independance to go full steam ahead.
33

steve 1511,

aberdeen 13/04/2008 07:30:55
i was expecting a story of wendy the bungs fight for the poor against labours tax increases,or how far she now is behind our great leader alex, but alas there is not one,she must have disapeared up her own jacksy
34

R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

13/04/2008 07:34:34
For a paper that is Anti Scottish in it's reporting it sure doeas love trying to flog our herritage and fake relics
http://shop.scotsman.com/c-l_sco/the-scotland-shop/scotsman-merchandise/

At least the pilgrim fathers were honest in their repulsion of the Natives. This lot repackage it as their own in a shortbread tin "hootsmon"fashion!

35

R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

13/04/2008 07:36:08
Talking of emails. Is Wendy not a bit over due on releasing the Emails which were too exhonourate her? Funny how they havent appeared........
36

Phil C,

13/04/2008 07:53:00
More trivial nit-picking by Barnes, who thinks that 2+2=5!
37

The west awake,

Argyll 13/04/2008 08:05:54
"Independant Scot. Living within the geographical boundaries of the UK"

Langtonian - Independent budgie. Living within the geographical boundaries of its cage.
38

donald,

glasgow 13/04/2008 08:11:47
Strange case of Salmond, the lobbyist and the SPOOK press release
39

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13/04/2008 08:14:15
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Watson,

Irvine 13/04/2008 08:31:00
Do people still buy this rag?
41

Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 08:32:51
Morning all

Of course this 'story' will be carried by all the other papers tomorrow, won't it Eddie?????
42

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 13/04/2008 08:45:36
Hello Donal', it that yerself?

Oh its no yersel, ach well it dissnae matter - what can I do for you? Just you Phil me in with a brief outline of what you want done and I'll do what I think is best for me and then kid on the folk its all in the best interests of Scotland - they'll believe onything I say tae them the noo!
43

b.allan,

lothians 13/04/2008 09:04:01
oh dear Eddie, this is truly pathetic, even for you and SOS. Don't you think you would be better off reporting how much better Scotland is doing with an SNP government in power?Go and look at Labour, Wendy and all her dirty, (illegal?) tricks and report something useful for a change.
44

Mikey,

13/04/2008 09:10:22
'The Scotsman' was the first 'quality' newspaper Iever read. I used to but it religiously from the 70s to the early 90s and enjoyed it's sense of 'Scottishness.'

Today, I must say goodbye to an institution. All attempts at even handedness has gone out the window and now the editorial stance seems to be designed to appeal to would be Londoners and loyalists, together with those whose first allegiance is to the London Labour party.

I fear for 'The Scotsman.' It's heading down the road of being a footnote in history. In the not too distant future, people will say, 'I remember 'The Scotsman.' It use to be a good paper at one time.'
45

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13/04/2008 09:11:51
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Trix,

edinburgh 13/04/2008 09:15:13
and quite right to run the story. God help Scotland if the SNP have their way. I don't trust them one bit. All Salmond does at FMQ is to score points. He never answaers the questions, but has a cheap shot at somebody. Wake up and get rid of them at the next election.
47

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 13/04/2008 09:19:35
Salmond's has been at it again - and has been caught again. Scotland deserves better.
48

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 09:22:08
#18 DaveK

One reason why this (former) newspaper and its sister publication, the Hootsmon, attracts so much attention from those who reject the cringing editorial policy adopted by the owners, is that, through these threads, we now have the opportunity to expose and counter the lies, contrived guff, hypocrisy, and dearth of intellectual rigour under pinning the unionist stance.

For far too long we have been content merely to accept the crumbs from Westminster’s table, and accepting without question that this is our rightful place in life.

Whereas pronouncements from the likes of Rosemary McKenna or George Foulkes were previously treated as gospel, nowadays, they are only accorded the respect to which they are entitled.

It is through forums such as this that the general public can find themselves better informed than they otherwise would have been, if they relied solely upon the somewhat embittered and contrived attitude displayed in the pages of this publication.

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13/04/2008 09:22:42
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McX,

13/04/2008 09:23:28
Cont'd

Q2 In a referendum on independence, how would you rank the following in order of preference?
First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
Scotland should be an independent country
Scotland should stay part of the UK but with more powers
Scotland should keep the devolved powers it currently has

Q3 If a Holyrood election took place tomorrow, which party would get your backing?
SNP
Conservatives

Labour
Other

Liberal Democrats
Unsure


Q4 If a Westminster election took place tomorrow, who would you vote for?
Labour
Conservatives

Liberal Democrats
Other

SNP
Unsure


Q5 After almost a year of SNP government, to what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements?
Agree strongly Agree slightly Neither Disagree slightly Disagree strongly
Scotland has a stronger voice as a result of having a Nationalist government
The SNP government is more interested with picking fights with Westminster rather than running the country
Scotland and England feel further apart than they were a year ago
Scotland's interests are best represented by the SNP Government at Holyrood
Scotland's interests are well represented by the Labour Government at Westminster

Q6 From the following, who do you believe has been the best First Minister?
Donald Dewar
Alex Salmond

Henry McLeish
Unsure

Jack McConnell



Q7 Can you indicate which of the following attributes you associate with Alex Salmond, and also with Wendy Alexander?
Alex Salmond Wendy Alexander
Likeable
Intelligent
Honest
Arrogant
Weak
A strong leader
None of these

Q8 To what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements?
Agree strongly Agree slightly Nei
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McX,

13/04/2008 09:24:01
Cont'd

Q8 To what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements?
Agree strongly Agree slightly Neither Disagree slightly Disagree strongly
Scotland should refuse to allow nuclear weapons to be based here
Scotland should have nuclear power as part of a mix of energy supplies
The current "opt in" system of organ donation should be replaced with one of "presumed consent"

Q9 Which of the following statements most closely reflects your views on immigration?
Scotland should not accept any more immigrants

Scotland should take in limited numbers of immigrants who have a job and speak English

Scotland should open it's doors to new immigrants


Q10 And finally,which of the following most closely reflects your views on local taxation?
They should be based on properties owned
They should be based on income


About You: In order for us to analyse the results in detail, could you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Q11 Are you
Male
Female


Q12 In which of the following age bands do you fall into?
15 - 24
45 - 54

25 - 34
55 - 64

35 - 44
65+


Q13 And in which of the following postcode areas do you live?
EH
DG

AB
TD

G
IV

PA
HS

PH
FK

ML
ZE

KY
KW

KA
Outwith Scotland

DD



Q14 Would you be willing to take part in further research for Scotland on Sunday?
Yes
No


Q15 If so, please provide us with your e-mail address?


THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOUR COMMENTS ARE VALUABLE TO US.







52

Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 09:36:27
These are the stories the real Sunday papers are running. People have every right to criticise papers who don't tell the truth or blatenly bend the facts. The Johnston Press fall right into this category. As someone else said, thank god for the internet


This is a headline in todays' Independent on Sunday.

Charles Clarke lines up southern 'stalking horses' to challenge Brown's leadership.

This from the Times

Brown hits new low as voters desert Labour

This from the Mail on Sunday

Gordon Brown's 'Granita moment' as Ed Balls is promised No10 job




This from the Sunday Telegraph

Brown facing loss of 200 council seats
Labour strategists fear a bleak May Day with the prospect of a slump to 28 per cent of the vote in local elections.


Aye Comrade Broon it looks like your loyal comrades are about to give you a right kicking after your Sleaze Party gets a right kicking from the electorate. Then it'll be Scotland's turn
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McX,

13/04/2008 09:43:50
Morning Spooky, it's gobsmackingly hypocritical that a 'National' newspaper would inform people it plans a hugely important poll to be published on a certain day and doesn't go through with it.

One can only surmise that they do not like the result. It smacks of a Mugabe style approach to the truth.

Not what we expect from an English owned newspaper, with an English editor, staffed by English journalists with a profoundly anti-Scottish bias, called The Scotsman.
54

shivago8,

livingston 13/04/2008 09:48:29
Story aboot nuthin,did he git paid fur that.
This sort of drivel starts wars
55

alanh,

ek 13/04/2008 09:48:41
any chance of this "journalist" getting hold of the emails that jackie the hut said were already in the public domain that could clear dishonest wendy?

or do they not try to get any info on the nu labour party except the press releases given to them?
56

GM,

13/04/2008 09:51:01
ALEX SALMOND ATE MY HAMSTER!
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In an astonishing story uncovered under the FOI Act by an anonymous journalist at this paper, it can be revealed that Alex Salmond ate a 5 year old's hamster, which was presented to him as he did a 'walkabout' tour of Stirling.

The same journalist can also reveal that Salmond drinks the blood of babies and worships naked at the feet of a carved effigy of Satan (a model apparently that has the cloven feet and legs of a goat, the chest of a horse, the head of tony blair and the teeth of his wife Cherie).

Lord Foulkes has commented that 'it was only a matter of time before Salmond's personal life caught up with him', as he headed for the bar.

Professor Arthur Midwinter said that Salmond's hamster eating escapades had cost the economy 14 bazillion pounds in a formula he himself has made up and confirmed as accurate. This is the equivalent of £38,000,000 for every taxpayer in Scotland.

In a related articlce in our sister paper - The Sunday Sport - it can be revealed that Salmond has hidden from the Scottish Nation our store of chemical and nuclear weapons on the moon. 2 Green MSP's were shocked and disgusted by this revelation and immediately called for the return of the tolls on the forth road bridge.

Wendy Alexander, the scottish labour leader, said in an official statement to the scottish parliament - "There once was a hungry, hungry caterpillar that didn't eat hamsters. Please vote for us - PLEASE! The SNP are terrible, we are great and we don't like this opposition malarky. It's no FAIR!"
57

McX,

13/04/2008 09:57:53
I'm hugely dismayed that TitsMcGhee didn't make the top ten...
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GM,

13/04/2008 09:57:55
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7344132.stm

The bill for last year's Scottish elections is more than double the previous one, with the cost reaching almost £40m

Nice coup de gras there for the old labour regime -

Introduce a systme that ensures its very difficult for one party to hold a majority,
Introduce a complex counting system,
Introduce having 2 elections on the same day,
Take voters 'an afteerthought,
And cost the taxpayer twice what it used to to run the election...

nice work.
59

GM,

13/04/2008 10:01:30
Wasn't W U Merchat the 'never a council tax freeze' punter?

Highland Mighty can also be confirmed as also being 'British Pride'
60

The Strategist,

13/04/2008 10:01:34
You can't trust a newspaper that never reports on Scottish motor racing.

There was a great day of racing at Knockhill yesterday and this lousy newspaper hasn't even mentioned it!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 10:04:00
McX

I was interested to read the results and analysis of the poll you mention.

However, like yourself, I have been unable to find any reference to the poll in today’s on-line edition.

I don’t suppose the reason for this would be that the results of the poll are unfavourable to the political stance adopted by the proprietors?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:05:03
could someone from sos please explain where this survey is? It said it would be published on april the 13th.

Where is it?

So the sos now engages in fraud by telling readers that it plans to publish something then refuses to do so. Whats ups sos scotsman result not to you liking? to pro independence for you?
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GM,

13/04/2008 10:05:16
Can anyone explain this -
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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/Scots-39favour-assertive-First-Minister.3972271.jp

Goto post 550 roughly and look for British Pride.

Originally, he posted a comment at number 555 telling everyone he only ever posted as Highland Mighty, but had forgotten to change his login or use his other browser and it was posted as 'British Pride'

This post of his (referred to by me and others at or about 555 has actually gone completely...

Not modded, not just the text removed, but the whole original post at 555 he made has been fully removed???





Now, someone help me out here - Have I overlooked something or has a staff member at The Scotsman been caught out and tried to cover their tracks?
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GM,

13/04/2008 10:06:59
Perhaps Highland Mighty was reported for using multiple logins and had *all* his comments pulled???
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DanB,

13/04/2008 10:07:01
SNP goons on this forum might prefer to hear and see no evil, but it's just another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. Salmond's as dodgy as the worst of them, and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could comfortably spit him to represent the true interests of the Scottish people. Bought and sold for corporate gold?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 10:08:24
#60 Spook

I thought that Jason4Queen and Linda from Shettland should have received honourable mentions in the onionist category.

They fair made me weep with mirth.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:10:22
spook he he lol that was funny. hardline militant me?. he he he


excuse me for a sec i must go change into my other uniform this one is clashing with my make up and my boots.
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Nikostratos,

13/04/2008 10:12:48
#60 The Spook in Leith,

"2nd Nikostratos, Bit immature but slight intelligence"


Spooky I resent that slur my immaturity levels are very high having been working on them very hard you know.

And as for Intelligence 'unionists' don't need that at all in fact can be a hindrance......Self doubt disbelief in the cause and all that sort of thing.



Union is best not sure about him strange sort of 'cove' but seeing as he has got union in his moniker must be alright....
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GM,

13/04/2008 10:15:22
@75

either The Scotsman pulled a whole section of posts completely by the user (do they do this if they break the rules) or,

someone at The Scotsman is at it.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:15:49
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOUR COMMENTS ARE VALUABLE TO US.

so said the scotsman in their survey.

LIARS they werent that valuable if you cannay be bothered publishing them because they dont agree with the editorial stance.

this should be an example to all journalism students of how to really really pee of the readers.
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brownlie,

13/04/2008 10:20:04
60 The Spook

Sad, sad news for me that Highland beat me on our highly effective unionist list. I suspect Jackie will be falling on me from a great height!
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 13/04/2008 10:21:15
It is sad when someone hardly dares to put their head over the parapet. But, here goes! -- Emperor's Clothes, Three Monkeys, Braveheart, "Non so blind as the man (or woman) who would not see".

Aye,right!
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:22:32
scotland sucks on sunday wont publish the results of the survey chickens, fearties, big lolloping jessies.
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Yes We Can,

Ayr 13/04/2008 10:23:46
What is the big issue in this story! Should the headline not read something like "First Minister defends Scottish Jobs".

I'd be more upset if we had a First Minister who did not defend Scottish Interests because of bureacracy.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:24:17
nikos you should take it as a compliment. it means some part of you is stil youthfull :)
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Nikostratos,

13/04/2008 10:29:18
OH! by the way the real no 1 'Unionist' par excellence is of course called.........


........................... 'THE SCOTSMAN'..............







#88 KARIN


yes well the youthful part of me is off to tenerife on Tuesday partying in playa de america........
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:30:10
HEADLINE NEWS...........................

Today the scotland on sunday defended its decision not to publish the results on a survey it conducted on scottish independence. A spokesperson said "well you know te boss said we couldnae cos we have to support labour or we are pure getting the sack and we didnae like the results cos everyone wanted independence. naebody said anything the last time we did something like this when we were supposed to have a question and answer session with wendy alexander and the whole illegal donations thing meant she didnae turn up"

numerous readers complained that they had been misled as the papers said that the results would be published on april the 13th.

The editor commented "ah but we didnae say which april the 13th we meant april the 13th two thousand and never unless the result went the way we wanted"
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:31:48
90 niko aye for a five year old yer right about that.
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McX,

13/04/2008 10:34:46
#90 Applauds Nikos, absolutely old bean. The number one Unionist is 'The Scotsman'.

From t'internet aka Wiki.

"The Scotsman was launched in 1817 as a liberal weekly newspaper by lawyer William Ritchie and customs official Charles MacLaren in response to the "unblushing subservience" of competing newspapers to the Edinburgh establishment. The paper was pledged to "impartiality, firmness and independence".


Ha ha ha ha changed days.
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Sally Kent,

13/04/2008 10:35:01
Phil Henderson was a delegate to the 2006 "Business in the Parliament Conference."

So what.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:35:04
I feel like buying the scotsman to have a ceremonial burning however even that would be a waste of cash when i could spend it on a quality newspaper like the sunday herald which does publish survey...........

does anyone think we could take them to trading standards? False advertising?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:37:17
by the way niko have a nice time on holiday. i was off this week i went to culloden. very nice especially the new theatre. very realistic. by the way historic scotland is having a freebie day today go get some culture you lot.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:38:50
we want the survey results.

we want the survey results


we want the survery results.

you cheating burgers.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:40:36
Haha Kippered you Nats again! WIth this marevellous little story (can you spot any actual point of wrong-doing purported above?), we have diverted attention from the UK courts' ruling that the Westminster government ordered a stop to criminal investigation of bribery in arms deals illegally, and that the request from the Saudis would have given rise to obstruction of justice charges if it had been made here!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

13/04/2008 10:43:34
Thank you for joining the Cybernats. Your commitment to a brave new Scotia free of alien influences is appreciated by Alex, and indeed by Sir Sean and Mister Souter.

Now this is how it works.

Your task is to scour the websites of those Scottish newspapers that permit comments, and fill them up with - well, whatever you like, really.

You will probably get an email from us suggesting the line to take, but it is really important for everyone not to take the same line. Nonetheless there will generally be one story that we all hack into. Usuallly one that expresses any criticism of Alex or even more, Mister Souter.

"Another non story ..." First of all, we need to undermine the reporting. So attack the reporter. Suggest that he or she is unprincipled, incompetent, drunk, corrupt, and in the pay of some English conspiracy. Feel free to make reference to MI5, the CIA and Mossad. You can extend that to the owners if you like.

"Do people still buy this rag?" Suggest that the newspaper is rapidly runnng out of customers because of its wicked and perverse editorial policy, probably dictated in London. Declare that you grew up as a child reading the paper, but it has gone downhill so fast that you will never buy it again and even your dear auld rheumy-eyed faither has stopped buying it You do not need to say that you have never bought a single copy since the internet made that un-necessary.

Attack the personalities of the oppposition. Remember, personal attacks are entirely acceptable and indeed desirable. The leader of the opposition is always to be referred to as "Bendy Wendy". A full lexicon of abusive terms will be circulated shortly.

But if anyone else uses the expression "Fish-heid McMoonface" to describe Alex, we must complain bitterly. And it goes without saying that any even mildly critical reference to Mister Souter must be attacked without quarter.

The SNP is a modern political party with modern attitudes but please don't let that interfe
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Fifi la Bonbon,

13/04/2008 10:44:12
...interfere with what you are doing. Feel free to make comments on the family life, bodyshape, appearance, perceived sexual attractiveness and gender role of anyone not in the SNP. Obviously challenge such comments where they relate to our side. But "keep it clean" - remember that Mister Souter will be reading.

And whatever you do, don't let anyone know that you are a Cyber-nat.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

13/04/2008 10:44:38
Dunno what happened there!
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:45:57
69. Yes, that was a bit of a black eye for Highland! He is affronted and has been too embarrassed to post since. That damned System 3 poll in today's Herald showing support for independence at 41%, same as the Daily Mail poll last week, is also rankling with us a bit, after our concerted "one-off, meaningless, opt-in" rubbishing of the 41% figure last week. HM and AM2 will be on shortly when they have consulted Jackie re. the validity of this poll in the context of longer term trends that you Nats cannot perceive.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:48:45
102. Highland/AM2. Welcome back, and nice new moniker! Now, don't make another pigs-ear of it by posting with a different moniker in answer to a question posed to that one!

Like the new tack - I saw that was highlighted on Jackie's crib sheet this morning! No news on how to rebut that System 3 poll, but expect the statistics chappies will come up with something shortly!

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Fifi la Bonbon,

13/04/2008 10:53:13
Boaby 107 - a very good example of cybernattery. Mister Souter will be pleased.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:55:19
108. Nice one. We've got them on the run. Any news from AM2 on how to rubbish that System 3 poll?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:57:34
109. Crib-sheet! A list of talking points Jackie circulates on a daily basis - you don't get a copy as it contains top-secret Unionist points that we use on here!


The Sunday Herald - Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper10 Feb 2008 ... The senior MSPs were told to read out the scripts to journalists in an ...... The Sun published the first Jackie Baillie script for the ...
www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2032978.0.0.php - 203k -
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 10:57:38
fifi la bonbon.

and if your a unionist post

same old same old. BORING.

why dont you try this unionist tactic.


go to nearest beach

dig large hole.

stick head in hole
(thats the bit at the top of your body your mammy may have written this way up with an arrow to help you oot)

bury head in hole

and repeat ad infinitum "this isnt happening, this isnt happening, this isnt happening, deny, deny, deny."

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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 10:59:46
113. That is why there was sand all over AM2's desk this morning!! All is clear now! I thought he had been building a wee sand castle to resist this latest System 3 outrage!
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subrosa,

13/04/2008 11:00:19
If anyone wants to take part in Yougov polls/surveys you can register online at:
http://my.yougov.com
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 11:00:32
Alex Salmond and the SNP are no different from Labour.

All that holier than thou chat and they are just the same.

Nepitism and cliques rank higher than democracy and fairness in these cretins minds.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:01:36
subrosa do they actually post results then unlike the (sos) sod our surveys.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:03:40
117 democracy fairness. ha ha yer having a laugh arent ye.

Democracy what like democracy when broon and ming cambell tried to cook up a wee deal to keep the snp oot.

what like democracy and fairness when they dropped the probe into arms deals.

what fairness like the reporting we get in scotland.

ha ha you are funny but i dont like you.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:05:25
117. Quite right, except for the 120 admitted counts of electoral law breaking by Labour, a judge describing Labour election fraud as fit for a "banana republic", sleazy illegal donations, cash for honours and all that, the SNP are really similar, except for all the criminal sleaze business - they both have "party" in their name!

In fact, when you think about the Tories with all their convicted perjurers, criminals, cash for questions and stuff, Labour are quite similar to the Tories too!

I am thinking outside the box here, but seeing as how we unionists have all this sleaze, can we not turn it to our advantage?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:05:50
114 i take it hes still in there then

http://caosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/head-in-sand.jpg
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:09:07
unionists please note if this is the result



http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/E/escape_to_the_legion/images/loic_insand.jpg

your mammy has the arrow the wrong way.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 11:09:53
122 Union is Best

All of the the things you refer too are also a disgrace. But that is irrelevant and unrelated to this scandal.

How do you explain that an ex-SNP member is getting priviledged access to high ranking Scottish officials and actually dictating to them what and when to perform public duties?

We all knew that the SNP were up to all these tricks the same as Labour and Conservative and every other weak minded politician, now they have been caught.

What is the explanation? "Guff" is not an answer!
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:10:43
now now spook i think you forgot to add the weighted average to your results the actual figure was 5.5 million. Have you learned nothing from AM2 on statistical manipulation.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:13:04
126 how do you explain the fact that wendy alexander is getting advice from a guy that was caught drunk driving while picking up prostitutes? and that he is a friend of wendy?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:14:30
birds of feather flock together eh alfred e neuman

law breakers unite should be wendys new policy?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:15:10
126. Alfred - quite right! Scottish power getting access to the Scottish government is a disgrace, especially on an issue of potential change in onwership of a major employer in Scotland! What next, the Scottish government may give access to all manner of major employers in Scotland! I prefer the approach by Labour re. the campaign to save jobs at Kvaerner Govan described in the Herald today - ignore those pesky workders and let them swing in the wind!
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Geordie Peebles,

13/04/2008 11:15:55
I welcome this story. It just shows that Alex Salmond and the SNP are standing up to protect Scottish jobs.

It's a bit like Labour thinking they can damage the SNP's popularity by getting Westminster refusing to do things for Scotland.

No wonder independence has overtaken dependence in the polls and the SNP is at 40%.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:16:18
127. There is some good news for Brown! His approval rating of minus 34% is bigger than Wendy Alexander's minus 22%!
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:17:45
132. Quite right! Salmond would be better doing nothing much to protect Scottish jobs, as the leader of the campaign to save Kvaerner Govan said Labour politicians did!
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Miss H,

13/04/2008 11:18:23
I don't even understand what this story is about.

Is it being argued that the Scottish Government should take no position and have no discussions on the ownership of a major company in Scotland which provides energy for most households in Scotland?

Surely not.

In that case is the argument that they should not deal with someone who works for Scottish Power because he used to work for the SNP?

When you can't even understand the point the story is trying to make it's a bad sign.
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Geordie Peebles,

13/04/2008 11:19:41
A fascinting quote in the Times on their poll:

"Brown’s poll rating has fallen to minus 37, down from plus 48 last August. The collapse is the most dramatic of any modern-day prime minister, worse even than Neville Chamberlain who in 1940 dropped from plus 21 to minus 27 after Hitler’s invasion of Norway."

Oh my! Now that is damning.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 13/04/2008 11:20:08
I for one wnat to see the Hootsmon printing these non-stories.

The more they try to smear, the more people turn to Alex & the SNP.

KEEP IT GOING!! :-)
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puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2008 11:20:19
Eddie Barnes do you still not understand why the Scottish Daily Mail ( English ) sells more morning and Sunday newspapers than the Scotsman/Herald sales added together.
Sells more than also the Daily retard/Sun on a daily basis.

Although I do not buy this English paper it seems their reporting of facts (rather than lazy journalism by fabricating many untruths ) means their news editor is doing something right.

Being bias I assume your aim is to carry on as you have for quite some time. In that case keep it up as the opinion poles regards our SNP Government and Independence are still rising in the correct direction no matter the drivel you spout or write.
Every letter you print every word every sentence every Paragraph only aids the Scottish people in their quest for a free Scotland.
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Miss H,

13/04/2008 11:20:37
126 I think it is guff actually.

What exactly is the SNP or Scottish Power being accused of?

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Nikostratos,

13/04/2008 11:23:02
#136


One could even say a 'Strange' story..........ha ha
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morris,

edinburgh 13/04/2008 11:30:07
117

I presume you mean nepotism,and this is a typo9which we are all plagued by)but I have to say that the press in Scotland are full of reports which contain phrases like "to check whether any rules had been broken".
There have been quite a few of these since the SNP was elected,and the only result is that Labour and Lib Dem have been shown to be disingenuous,in their accusations.
There is a theory that if you throw enough mud some must stick. It would appear that the principle is fundamentally flawed in the case of the SNP.The latest opinion poll (whilst only being an opinion poll and subject to the usual margins of error),shows clearly that the Unionists claims of support for independence being at 25% are (as we have maintained all along) unreliable and the true level has a) never been measured and b) constantly changing.
Would all Unionists please now concentrate on securing democratic accountability and stop this claiming to know something when a they do'nt and b) they can't !
YOu just look stupid.
A referendum will tell all and that includes YOU!
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Miss H,

13/04/2008 11:30:29
144 Angus McNeil was not alleged to be involved in an orgy you silly man.

Do you even know what an orgy is?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:31:31
thankyou bird of prey

women manipulation? thats a new name for it!
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Publius,

Girvan 13/04/2008 11:32:17
#136 #140 Miss H

I don't know what the Scotsman is accusing Alex Salmond of. But he should be accused of resorting to the same devious PR and press manipulation as Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. There is something underhand abouta PR adviser to the first minister co-ordinating press releases with the PR man in a private company.
If the first minister wants to influence a private company he should have a formal (and minuted) meeting with the chief executive or chairman.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 11:32:30
146 hes probably hoping to be invited to one seeing as labour have cornered the market in sleaze.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:34:56
144. Quite right! A sado-massochistic orgy involving prostitutes and a Nazi-concentration camp theme ala Mosely is similar to the allegation Angus McNeil snogged two women, and such comparisons do not make us look desperate!

On that theme, we Unionists have become aware that FM Salmond has had frequent chats with taxi drivers and with the newsagent in Strichin where he buys his papers! We unionists see this for what it is - privliged access by the road transport and retail industries to the Scottish government. We will be calling for an investigation!
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 11:37:35
#144 Ciderman 542000,

I think the fuss about Max Mosley was more to do with the Nazi connection than the orgy.

Do you know who his Daddy was?

You'll be more sympathetic with dictatorships, being a New Labour supporter, won't you???
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:41:04
152. Ciderman - word from the wise, what with us Unionists having had our Mps recently involved in
- three-ways with rent boys (Lub Dem, Oaten),
-auto-er0tic asphiation with orange in mouth and women's knickers (Tory, Milligan),
- breaking and enetering to steal mistress's knickers (Labour, R Brown),
- setting fire to a hotel (Labour, Watson),
- punching a policeman and assaulting old woman (Labour, Foulkes),
- oicking up gay rough trade and Clapham common and losing ministerial car papers (Labour, other R Brown),
- rent boys (Labour, N Brown, my so many Browns)

do you really think going an about Angus MacNeil snogging two women is our best suit?
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Miss H,

13/04/2008 11:43:15
152 Utter nonsense. If you think snogging someone is intimate sexual activity I feel genuinely sorry for you.

It may explain a lot though.
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morris,

edinburgh 13/04/2008 11:43:29
136

I am confident that you have understood the purpose of this article to perfection.Its meant to be a classic "smoke therefore there must be fire" excercise.
In fact its quite the opposite,and has more in common with a smokescreen,which serves one purpose only,and that is to make it impossible to see clearly that NOTHING exists,and thats why they cannot report anything does,only infer that something could. I hope the Scotsman keeps this drivel up. They gain the SNP votes Im sure.
In fact if the SNP have anything to appologise for,its an inabilty to match Labour Tory LIb Dem and Press in Scotland in securing votes for the SNP!

Shame on you SNP ,relying on the desperation of the Unionists to do the job for you!
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Labour Party Hypocrisy,

Blooms by yah 13/04/2008 11:44:20
The Jersey based businessmen whose donation to Wendy Alexander’s leadership bid should not have been accepted, has revealed more about his contacts with the Alexander campaign. He alleges that Charlie Gordon, MSP assured him that he was allowed to donate the money despite not being on the electoral roll. Speculation is now rife that Gordon will resign his seat ............Well the voters will see to that very soon.
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Miss H,

13/04/2008 11:45:25
148 This private company is one of the biggest employers and providers of energy in Scotland.

If you seriously think the Government should adopt a hands-off approach to that I wonder what you think Government is for in the first pace.
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Labour Party Hypocrisy,

Polls with yah 13/04/2008 11:46:34
Meanwhile, The Scotsman reports that Alexander is claiming that emails from her to Gordon questioning the legality of the donation to her campaign will clear her name. Labour are acutely aware that if Alexander goes then others could follow. A spin doctor has been despatched to Edinburgh to help her and the Prime Minister gave her strong backing on Sunday, reportedly telling her, “Of course I want you to stay but you must do what is best for your family.” Her family, of course, includes Douglas Alexander who is also reportedly urging her to stay.

This is Hypocrisy on a labour scale.

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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 11:46:43
#156 Ciderman

Where can we see the video clips of Angus's orgy???
Max's can be found at

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1304_mosley.shtml

Thought you'd like the NOTW headline Ciderman

Sexcommunicated
Pope to vote on Max Mosley

By Ian Gordon
SHAMED F1 boss Max Mosley could be excommunicated from the sport following his depraved Nazi orgy...by the Pope.
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Labour Party Hypocrisy,

13/04/2008 11:47:33
BBC News website had a clip of Ms Alexander saying she was innocent of any 'intentional' wrongdoing.

She seems to be admitting she broke the law.

Is ignorance a valid defence in court?
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Geordie Peebles,

13/04/2008 11:47:46
Union is Best has convinced me. It is far better that Alex Salmond shuts his trap and Scottish Power workers were unemployed. The Union can then be protected through the Benefits system.
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Labour Party Hypocrisy,

Blooming with yarn 13/04/2008 11:48:57
Labour=doom=gloom=28%=FACT
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The Strategist,

13/04/2008 11:49:13
No discussion of Max Mosley please. Scotsman newspapers don't allow anything to do with motorsport. Apparently they don't have a sports reporter with sufficient intelligence to follow a race and understand what's going on.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 11:53:31
165. Quite right! We unionists are not hypocrites! We reserve the right to mention Angus MacNeil snogging two women, but will get huffy if anyone reminds us of Labour/ Tory/ Lid Dem MPs in rent boy, prostitute, bondage, outdoor gay, policeman bashing or anything other form of action we don't like!
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Publius,

Girvan 13/04/2008 11:54:58
#160 Miss H

You are (deliberately?) misrepresenting me. I wrote that "If the first minister wants to influence a private company he should have a formal (and minuted) meeting with the chief executive or chairman."

I begin to wonder whether you are not a professional PR agent with some sort of contract with the SNP. PR agents often see it as part of their job to misrepresent the views of others.
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morris,

edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:00:30
The last thing I want as First Minister is one who does NOT interpret maybe even bend the rules as much as possible to defend Scottish jobs.Salmond can bend a lot more as far as I am concerned,and everybody outwith the Unionist activists ranks can see it, and like it.Take a piece of good advice Unionistas.If you really value the Union ,give Scotland a reason to stay,make us an offer we cannot refuse, otherwise the party is over.
So far all you have done is show why you are unfit for opposition,let alone government.
Lies are NOT going to win the hearts and minds of Scotland back,and so far lies are all you have offered us.ITS TIME TO start telling Scotland the truth and its time to LEAVE.The UK is dead.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 12:09:38
174. Great post, great point! And to those who say that the Angus MacNeil thing had no relevance to a story on the government intervening to protect jobs, we Unionists say "rubbish"! Angus MacNeil's conduct is relevant, in a way all that Labour MP in rent-boy gay, knicker stealing, policeman punching, fire-starting sleaze is not! And as for all that Labour 120 counts of breaking electoral law and illegal donations, that is not relevant when we are trying to trawl up the MacNeil thing again! Onward unionists!
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 12:12:23
170 yous unionists dont have make me laugh.

how desperate are you? PR agents?

i hear there is a job going at MI5 for scottish operatives to route out sleeper cells.

Are you sure you havent already got the job?

paranoid or what.

does it help if you have ocd or a mental health problem when you apply to join the unionist parties?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 12:14:27
175 union is best. valid points. However you forgot wendys conversation with her friend who she doesnt turn her back on who was convicted for drunk drving and picking up prostitutes. Perhaps wendys friend was on the way to an orgy?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 12:17:15
sos wheres the survey?
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Tynietiger,

13/04/2008 12:19:32
# 51 I guess SoS are seeking Mr Mugabe's advice on how to re run the poll they promised to publish to-day.

See Sunday Herald for Iain MacWhirter telling how Lord Foulkes tried to get BBC to stop him broadcasting

And former Clyde Shop Steward on how senior Scottish Labour politicians failed to support his fight against job losses as it might embarrass Labour in run up to 1999 Scottish Elections.

See Sunday Times for Scotland's Future online debate

Go to www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/yuk/scotland/

SoS now has the worst coverage of Scottish Politics of any so called quality newspapers.
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AntiPCman,

13/04/2008 12:20:55

I was canvassing in Rosehearty yesterday and met a jolly rotund man who turned out to be our First Minister. I know him and we passed pleasantries such as " I like your line in bullsh*t, nearly as good as ours" but I was taken aback by his constant chewing of gum, with his mouth open and the amount of extra belly that is now very evident.
I had to wonder whether this display of lack of sartorial evidence in terms of dress and demeanour was what Scotland deserves for a First Minister or was it just 'dressing-down' for an fishing village that needs and deserves some inward investment but it will not be coming from 'him'? Of course, he wants to be one of the 'good old boys' and you can give his candidate your vote even though he will do nothing, is 62 years old and can achieve nothing without more deserved monies from thew Scottish Parliament for Aberdeenshire. I hope the voters in Troup ask why this SNP government is not addressing the inequality of local authority on this shire. Aberdeenshire receives 12% below the national average per head of popululation against other local authorities.
The question I ask is whether the corporate lunches with Trump and Scottish Power are effective for Mr. Salmond's increase in girth but do nothing for increasing prosperity in Scotland.
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Tynietiger,

13/04/2008 12:22:53
Also Sunday Herald carries story that Labour supporter Sir Alan Langlands who tried to blame SNP government for cuts at Dundee University which he had already put in place the year before spent £300,000 of taxpayers money on a new bathroom for his house.

He is a former director of Patientline which fleeced hospital patients for phone calls.
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morris,

edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:23:44
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No.

Ignorance is not a valid defence in court,(as you well know of course)and thats why the procedure involves the electoral commission. So that Labour governments can intervene to protect the Gravy Train party who are in it for themselves,whilst opposition parties proceed to trial and conviction (but the same procedure has been observed,and just because the electoral commission did not proceed with anything against the New Liebour Party it does not mean that anything untoward has taken place.New Liebour did not intentionally get caught (again and again etc) so thats okay then.It reminds me of the woman who claimed that she accidentally run her husband over 38 times.She did not know he was there (38 times).
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 12:27:16
#174 Ciderman 542000,

Stunning display of your razor sharp intellect, firmly putting Union is Best in his place.
He'll probably go the way of Highland Mighty/British Pride and never be seen again on these postings (well not under those monikers!!!)
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 12:27:45
It must be heart breaking for all the SNP drones.

They claimed that the SNP were a new breed of politician that was trustworthy and impartial. So far we have had Trump and this and a host of other stories.

The SNP are no better than any of the others. They treat the elections like winning a contract, and then couldn't care less about openly ignoring some parts of society while giving undue influence to their friends.

I don't buy the nonsense listed above, Salmond was caught doing favours for a mate (again.)

Shameful.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 12:33:00
187 Alfie

Fitlike??

What are you gibbering about??

My heart is far from broken.

Good news on the polls (Sunday Herald).
Good news from the Times
Good news from the Mail on Sunday
Good news from the Independent on Sunday
Good news from the Sunday Telegraph
Pure and utter pi$h from the SOS
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 12:37:18
189 Jimmy the Pie

Thanks for taking the time to spam us with those random headlines.

But what do you think about him being caught doing favours for his SNP mates (again)?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:37:48
187

"They claimed that the SNP were a new breed of politician that was trustworthy and impartial."

Really?? Where?? When??

What about Trump?? no illegal nor immoral doings at all just party politicing by the opposition to divert news away from their own proven illegality and sleaze. Where is the so called "Trump" case and why do you keep bringing it up?? it was a non event when it was first mentioned and nothing has changed since unless you have new evidence??
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 12:40:35
191 Foulkes

I think politicians have a duty to not be caught doing favours, cutting corners, making phone-calls, subverting dues process.

Many perceive Salmond's increasingly questionable handling of business interests to be dodgy.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:43:33
193

I agree but i would take it further I think politicians should also be prosecuted for breaking the law and not let off by committees set up by the very people under investigation how do you feel about that??
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 12:45:08
193. Quite right! Salmond has no business making phone calls! And certainly has no business involving the Scottish government with major employers in Scotland!
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 13/04/2008 12:47:08
Oh dear, Alf, nice try. But ultimately fruitless.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 12:47:53
#190 Alfie

I'm confused. After reading Eddie's latest bout of utter drivel I still can't figure out the crime that Alex has committed.

No doubt you'll tell me.

When do you think the real newspapers will cover this piece of superb drivel from Eddie??
No doubt the BBC and Sky will be covering the details tonight on their main news bulletins and it should be on the Politics Show at 2.30pm BBC1

Won't it Ciderman???
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:48:55
193

The only people expressing concerns regarding AS and potential sleaze corruption are the oppostion parties and their tame media outlets not "The Many" as you state.
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Publius,

Girvan 13/04/2008 12:49:28
#176 karinxxx

I think you are mistaken about my line on Miss M. The story is about the interaction of PR people around the first minister and inside Scottish Power. I questioned whether this was the right way to go about things. Miss M promptly misrepresented me. That is what PR people are trained to do!
If Miss M is not in PR for the SNP she should say so.

Also I voted SNP last year. I am getting disillusioned with a party which is getting almost as arrogant as Labour was before it lost.
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Publius,

Girvan 13/04/2008 12:52:57
#187

I wouldn't worry about Trump. Every day Trump's plans look less and less likely to happen. Trump's already put the second phase of his Las Vegas on hold. It looks like the SNP is wasting its time sucking up to Trump.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 12:54:56
199 Publius

There is no doubt Miss H deliberately misrepresents people with a stoney cold disingenuousity.

Salmond has had some serious questions raised about the way in which he does business, and not for the first time.

All the SNP drones are offering up the same glib rants and false accusations aimed at irrelevancy.

Salmond is looking to be a quite a corruptable figure.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 12:56:16
201. Quite right! And as soon as I think of a specific accussation of wrong doing regarding Trump or this I am going to post it!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 12:58:06
The unionist response on here today is rather disappointing, with the torch being left to someone who likens himself to the contents of those big plastic bottles, so favoured by the hoody street neds spawned by successive labourtory administrations trying their best to destroy all notions of the concept of “society”.

Highland Mighty has apparently been exposed as having multiple log-in names, AM2 is on a Sabbath sabbatical, having been discredited over his inane attempt to spin the results of a previous opinion poll, Barren Foolks appears to have retreated to his castle in Muirkirk, and Simon Pia is probably on gardening leave having spectacularly failed to halt the cringers’ continued slide into minority ignominy.

However all is not yet lost.
Professor John Curtice is due to appear on the “Politics Show” later this afternoon, and he will no doubt explain why the recent opinion polls
are really an aberration, and the only poll which is of any importance is the one conducted by his organisation in May 2007, which claimed to show that support for independence was running at 23%.

All we need now is to hear the considered opinion of Professor Bleak Midwinter as to of why abolishing the 10% income tax band is beneficial to the 500,000 lowest paid workers in Scotland.

Oh, by the way, has anyone seen Wendy?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 12:59:50
202 Union is Best

Come off it.

Scotland's first minister having his timetable and public announcements tometabled by an external PR man?

Oh, the PR was an old SNP mate, I see, conflict of interests anyone? Unfair access and opening direct lines of communication to his chums, old boy network anyone?

The accusations do not need to be specific, the impression this leaves us as to the impartiality of Salmond speaks loudly and clearly.

Disgraceful.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 13:00:26
#201 Alfie

When you say
"Salmond is looking to be a quite a corruptable figure."

Do you mean taking backhanders and bribes??

Do you mean being part of any cronyism/nepotism??

Do you mean deceiving the people who voted for him??

Do you mean acting in the best interests of Scotland??

or do you mean going for a night out with Max Mosley??
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:01:50
203 Bully, alba, blah.

Thanks for taking the time to spam us there mate, much appreciated.

What do you think about this story though?
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 13:05:07
Looks like Ciderman has become Alfie!!

Amazing transformation.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 13:05:13
204. Quite right, its a disgrace! Imagine the Scottish FM working with a major Scottish company to protect jobs.
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Calummac,

13/04/2008 13:05:54
I would be worried if the FM did not have direct dealings with Scotland's biggest employers.

If Labour party recognised that the public sector was not the only source of employment it may have done the same thing.

Perhaps that is the benefit of having a FM who has actually had a REAL job. Unlike Gordon Brown et al whose greatest responsibilities prior to adopting BNP slogans were running their student unions.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:09:07
204

Do you think AS should stop talking to his wife as well?? or at least about politics??
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:10:57
204

Accusations should be very very specific and should also be backed up with evidence do you honestly believe differently??
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:12:55
212 Foulkes

You are talking about criminal proceedings such as murder or rape.

The evidence etc is much different for civil matters and far less for matters such as this when our First Minister gets caught red-handed in cahoots with old SNP chums.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:12:56
201

"Salmond has had some serious questions raised about the way in which he does business, and not for the first time."

Again ONLY by the opposition parties and their tame press outlets hardly constitutes a perceived web of corruption now does it??


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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:13:49
#206

"Story". what story?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:18:23
214 Foulkes

You are a funny one old bean! Pip pip jolly what snarf snarf.

You are suggesting Salmond is not perceived to be corruptable because only people outwith the hardcore SNP nut center say that.

Well, are you really a Labour councillor? That is there mentality as well. The "It's only other people saying that." defence.

Dearie me, old boy. The SNP are just as bad as Labour.

Pitiful.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:19:03
213

No I am talking about all accusations. An accusation which cannot be backed up by evidence is hearsay.
Its the basic rule of law.

Caught red handed???

Rosemary McKenna

"This is a serious matter and I am considering referring his actions to the relevant regulatory authorities for action."

If he was caught red handed then why is she only considering to refer his actions to regulatory authorities for action????
Its just another diversion away from their own internal party problems why should you believe everything put out by the opposition?? whats your stake in supporting every obvious bullsh*t story they put out?? If the SNP behaved like this I wouldnt give them the time of day.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

13/04/2008 13:23:30
216

Maybe they are but so far they havent shown any evidence of it have they?? The SNP are in a very tricky situation. They have the smallest majority of seats possible for government and they have to contend with a hostile media so they have to stay on their toes cross their T's and dot their I's or face the consequences. On the other hand the oppostion can literally break the law without consequence.
Now how is it possible for the SNP to become even remotely as bad as Labour under these circumstances???
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:23:50
217 Foulkes

Whatever are you whittering on about?

Salmond has clearly been engaging in more questionable behaviour with his business dealings.

Please stop your drivel and trying to get him off the hook on some glib (and invented) technicalities. Alex Salmond and the SNP will soon be permenatly tainted as Labour are with all this favours for mates carry-on.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:27:24
218 Foulkes

Foulkes, my good man, you are quite the fool.

"Literally break the law without consequence."

Um... that would be why Scotland chose the SNP after that was also widely reported in the media.

Try and deal with the facts and reality, hard for you I know, but getting information such as non-existent media conspiracy theories from your wallace-chums is getting tired.

Labour were arrogant and didn't pay enough attention to due process, that was reported widely, there was consequences, the same is now happening to the SNP

Shameful.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:34:54
219

No he obviously hasnt because if he had then we would now be facing another parliamentary election on a vote of no confidence. The tame opposition press would be full of the "evidence" of all his wrong doings have you seen any?? I havent and neither has anybody else.
AS and his government are in the unique position of governing under a hostile microscope which will keep them straight if nothing else does.
Its actually refressing and its the opposition NOT giving the SNP enough rope to hang themselves that will eventually give the SNP the support it needs for Independence.
In other words whether the SNP are whiter than white or not wont matter as long as they are forced by the opposition to behave themselves then they will be perceived to be whiter than white by the electorate.
The SNP are winning the popularity game by policy and by the idiocy of the opposition. Long may they keep it up.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 13:41:58
220

I dont post the names of the posts I am responding to on top of my comments because I recognise the fact that I am mostly posting to the same troll pretending to be concerned about the story or the issues in order to?? f*ck knows.
AM2 HM EV Kimba AEN whoever if ye keep to the story then I will respond but if yer going tae troll then f*ck off and gives us all a rest.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 13/04/2008 13:48:57
SNP running-dog apologists are out in force for this one...
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:51:37
222 Foulkes

Whatever are you whittering on about now? I am other people on this site - eh?

Just to highlight your stupidity...

You spend the best part of 15 mins whittering on about the importance of specific evidence to support allegations.

They you start swearing and pointing the finger at me with no evidence.

And for the record, you are wrong. I just post under this alias and will do until I am inevitably banned because of mutiple reports by free-speech hating SNP twits.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 13:55:34
225 Jackie

Thanks for taking the time to spam us with some of your random thoughts on the Labour party. (By-the-by I agree, but that - and you - are an irrelevancy.)

Got an opinion on Scotland's new brand of nepotism Salmond styley?

Shambolic.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 14:10:02
Alfie/Ciderman

I'll have to give you 10/10

To continually post, and to continually be humiliated, out-thought and out maneuvered shows you have tremendous resilience and an incredibly thick skin and skull.

Keep up the good work. Makes it easier for us to win over the undecided.

www.snp.org
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Stepford Nat,

13/04/2008 14:15:11
226 Alf

Alex is untouched by nepotism. He can do no wrong.

Unionists are rubbish

www.snp.org Independents is coming
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 14:21:56
223

Which makes it all hearsay wouldnt you agree??
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 14:28:38
231 Jackie

Blah blah blah, spam, blah blah blah, spam, blah spam blah, spam spam, blah blah blah.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 14:34:12
#232 Alfie

That post sums you up.
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Matt there,

somewhere 13/04/2008 14:36:55
@ 20

I was waiting for someone to spot the joke! No, not sauce as in condiment, but sauce as in booze.

As in "P***ed hack baffled by world..."
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 14:41:23
Anyone got the link to the John Humphries - Des Drowne interview on Radio 4???
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Sally Kent,

13/04/2008 14:45:13
241

What about Sally Kent then? Was she a no.show?
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 14:48:18
#242 That wasn't the Wally I was thinking about!! Thanks anyway ;)
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 14:49:47
241
And where is Bird of Prey...
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 14:56:45
Just watched Mike Russel wipe the floor with the tos$er that presents the show.

There was also a strange man with a funny hairstyle, who might be AM2. He was wittering about %ages and statistics. Weird chap
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 14:59:38
250 Jimmy the Pie

I thought Mike Russell came across as an idiot.

Trying to move a government to a lower dependency on bottled water. What a joke! Get some real work done you poo stain.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 15:06:12
254
The Mackee got him.Bloody cricketer.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 15:20:39
Anyone who has ever stood in dog's dirt knows exactly how it is to try and teach an SNP voter logic.
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Sally Kent,

13/04/2008 15:22:44
Times online poll

Total Votes: 104

81.7%
It should become an independent country

5.8%
Give the Scottish parliament more powers

7.7%
Things should stay as they are

0.0%
The parliament should have fewer powers

4.8%
Scrap Holyrood - let's all go back to Westminster
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 15:24:00
260
Veeblefetzer troll-bot.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 15:24:49
264 Sally

Oh god, it feels like I've just stepped in dog sh!t.

What a Scientific poll! Hip hip hurrah for your incy wincy brain-waves.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 15:32:38
267
Are you accusing the Times of unscientific methodology?

Wasn't Incy Wincy a spider?
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 15:33:34
#260 Alfie

Looking at the standard of your post I would say you've thrown the towel in.

Sad but expected
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mr angry,

ayrshire 13/04/2008 15:39:38
Times are doing an online survey on Independence.
Currently sitting at :
82.7% For Independence,
5.5% for more powers ,
7.3% for status quo and
0% for same powers
4.5% for scrap holyrood
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 15:39:54
272 Jimmy the Pie

Yes, I think you're right. But...

... did you know that Scotland invented the "poo-shoot", well we did! That is what we civil engineer in this country, plastic tubing to lob our turds down. That is the bold vision of the SNP/Labour.

There is p!ss and sh!t all over our high streets and what are we doing? We are inventing ways to stop people who are taking a crap in the woods spoiling the countryside through fertilisation.

The "poo-shoot" is perhaps the best metaphor for the SNP/Labour in Scotland. Pointless, expensive and full of sh!t.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 15:45:07
People are getting raped, knifed and beaten to death weekly in all our major cities and what is the SNP doing?

Phasing out bottled water at holyrood with a formal policy of having chilled water in flasks.

F*ck me, do these clowns not get it.
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Alan B,

13/04/2008 15:54:20
I think most people will be happy that Salmond was sticking up for scotland interests here. They will also be asking why again the scottish parliament has no powers to protect scottish interests and why brown did nothing to protect scotland in this case.

It is interesting given the revaltions in the herald that tells how a union leader for the ship yards in the clyde tells how labour sold out the industry and names Dewar as someone who did not act positively to support the yards.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 15:55:15
276. ALfred,

Great post and great point. As there was no crime, and certainly no rape or beatings before May 2007, this is all the SNP's fault.

And the SNP's policies, of 1000 more police, meeting the police pay rise in full and such are not the way to tackle crime.

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Stepford Nat,

13/04/2008 15:56:18
274 Mr Angry

Let's vote lots more times, and see if we can get it over 100%!

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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 15:56:45
276. ALfred - and if any Nat points of Westminster was looking at bottled water last, and failed to back-date the police pay rise and had 100,000's of police marching against them, just ignore the points and say the SNP are only doing the water thing when people are being beaten to death!

In fact, now, under the SNP, when you are beaten to death, you can't even get a bottle of water afterwards.
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Alan B,

13/04/2008 15:57:00
Why given that the Sunday Herald has a front page telling us of majority support for independence in the latest opinion poll does the SOS not have anything about it.

I have no problem with the SOS taking a unionist editorial line but not publishing stories and burying articles is not exactly what u would expect from a broadsheet and not exactly good for democracy.
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Grand Theft Auto: Vice City,

Leith 13/04/2008 15:57:02
Sorry the Spook in Leith asked us to post this.

government to negotiate an Independence settlement, compared to 40% who are opposed to breaking up the UK.

First minister Alex Salmond said the result showed Scots were now ready to vote for a separate Scottish state in a referendum.The Scottish government last year laid out its plans in a white paper for a referendum on Independence.TNS System Three has since conducted a tracker poll based on the SNP administration's favoured referendum question, namely whether "The Scottish government should negotiate a settlement with the government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state".The latest findings, which were gathered between March 26 and April 4, show that 41% of the 977 respondents agreed that the Scottish government should negotiate an Independence settlement.
This contrasts with 40% of people who did not agree with the SNP's number one priority, while 19% said they did not know how they would vote in a referendum.

TNS's first poll on the SNP government's question, in August, revealed that 50% of Scots were opposed to Independence, compared to 35% of respondents who were in favour.

The polling firm's next snapshot of opinion, in November, revealed the gap had narrowed to four points, with opposition at 44% and support at 40%. Support for a negotiated Independence settlement has risen by 6% since August, while opposition to separation has dropped by 10% over the same period. The number of "don't knows" has increased by 4% in eight months.

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Stepford Nat,

13/04/2008 15:59:29
278 UIB

*especially* the 1,000 extra police. Glad we were able to deliver on that promise

www.snp.org - we know the lie of the land!
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Grand Theft Auto: Vice City,

Leith 13/04/2008 16:00:41
An exclusive TNS System Three poll has found that 41% of Scots want the SNP government to negotiate an Independence settlement, compared to 40% who are opposed to breaking up the UK.

We are sorry but it appeared our editing team chopped of the first part. Asta da Banana flat as we say in Leith.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 16:01:11
285. Great post and good work, I Think you got them Nats on the run with your bottled water vs rape/beatings post!
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McX,

13/04/2008 16:01:19
I see that dobber Tom Gallagher is stirring it in the Sunday Times. If he hates Salmond so much why did he tell me in an email this week that he voted for him last May and will probably do so again?

http://tinyurl.com/5dquk2
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 16:01:50
283. No one's life is miserable within the Union! Everything is rosey!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:08:19
285
Good God are you American?
Or do you like stiff fingers?
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Alan B,

13/04/2008 16:12:41
Nice to see no mention in the SOS of the anti scottish campaigns being run in the London Mayor elections.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 16:14:02
291. You have misunderstood my Unionist friend and compatriot Alfred sending me a Unionist upraised fist (inverted for nose scarping) in solidairty!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:20:33
295
Union
Ah...I thought he was a wee bit furshlugginer.

(I think meths is angry; a copyright thing?)
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:25:53
296
Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think
That the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man.

Present company...

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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:26:47
Meths..
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:27:44
300

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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 16:30:38
#223 et al; Alfred E. Neuman,13/04/2008 13:51:37

Good afternoon Alfie me boy, how are things in Never-Neverland, is Wendy o.k.? I huvnae seen or heard much frae hur lately.

It musta come as a wee bit o' a shock fur ye aw tae read thon poll in The Herald, whit suggests that 41% o' the Scots noo want Independence.

But dinnae you worry yer poor wee troublous mind Alfie me old son, jist mak sure ye an yer wee freen Wendy keep takin' the Prosac, it'll calm ye doon an wul mak the hail wurld look a bit mair Rosier fur ye aw.

Aye maun, ye knaw it maks sense.

Aw ra best tae ye and Wendy an a wish ye baith a speedy recovery, bak tae the reel wurld o sanity.

yer wee buddy Boggle
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Joe90,

13/04/2008 16:30:52
Strange case of the missing Britsman report on the second poll in 3 days showing those wanting independence ahead!!!!!!
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 16:37:56
301. Alfred may be as blind as a bat, but he is twice as hairy and has the political deftness of Lord Foulkes drunk, and Lord Watson in a match factory, combined! He is our Unionist heavy hitter! Look at his post on bottled water/ rape! Genius! It is so unintelligible as to be answerable!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 16:38:24
303
Joe90
"Results will be aggregated and published in-paper and online, with analysis, on April 13th."

Looks like the wrong result for the Hootsman.

And they think we don't notice?
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mr angry,

ayrshire 13/04/2008 16:43:33
Times poll is now at 84.4% for independence
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 16:43:54
288 McX,13/04/2008 16:01:19

Interesting link McX, I see in his rant and over eagerness to do Scotland down, and hold up the Union as a shining example of the right way to deal with 'Terrorists' et al, he singularly forgets to mention Bliar and his friendship with the IRA's mouthpieces, or Bliar and Gordo's dealings with the Libyan Dictator, or Gordo's petulant statement that he would never work with Salmond.

But then again what more would one expect from the flip-flop, myopic Gallagher, a surely beffudled mind if ever there was one.
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 16:46:57
#180
"My post was just to remind all that the SNP as a cross section of UK society also has a cross section of the same vices."

The SNP draws its members and politicians from a different pool than Labour. Over the years in Scotland, anyone wanting political power more than anything else - and the potential rewards, both legal and illegal, that go with that power - would join Labour rather than SNP simply because Labour dominated local and national government. (Alex Salmond could have had a much more lucrative, and easier, career with Labour. He chose the National Party, the only party that stands for Scotland's interest first, last and always.)
The SNP have been in power for a year and you can bet your bottom dollar that the unionist establishment - media, politicians, intelligence services, etc - have been probing deep into the lives of all elected SNP politicians looking for something to get at them with. It seems so far that this effort has been fruitless. That suggests a level of probity quite alien to unionists in general and Labour in particular.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 16:56:38
306 Conan the Librarian™,13/04/2008 16:38:24 & 303 Joe90.

Aw come on guys give the Hootsmaun a wee break.

It's only 5 o'clock on a Sunday evening, and they've probly ony got a couple o' journo's in the day.

Who are at this very moment ur burning up thier CPU's uploading and interpreting all the data, so that we can haggle and argue over it to our hearts content before the deadline runs oot at midnight!!!

Whit wis that? Hod the front page onybody!!!

"SNP Battered by Latest Opinion Poll"

"The Hootsmaun's recent on-line poll categorically shows 88.9% o' Scots (frae Lanarkshire) don't favour Independence!!!

But In an unexpected twist 90% o' Scots fae everywhere else in Scotland favour Independence" ;-)
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qohldr,

13/04/2008 16:58:59
The progressive Scottish opinion poll will on average ask 1112 people their opinion on whatever subject they are polling on, TNS on average asks 1000 people.
These polls rise and fall all the time when asking the same question over a period of time.
They are not a true reflection of changing attitudes due to them not asking the same people when they hold these polls.
The only way to get near the true feeling on this subject would be to take all the polls held by TNS or others over the last year, add them together, then work out what the percentages are.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 17:01:09
311. And system 3 is dodgy as well. Because System 3, progressive Scottish opinion both give the same figure of 41%.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 17:09:34
310
Boggle fey the Bog.
Ok then we shall wait in anticipation...
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 17:11:25
313 Conan the Librarian™,13/04/2008 17:09:34

Aye but dinae hod yer breath!!! ;-)
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McX,

13/04/2008 17:15:24
#308 Aye Boggle interestingly the Times despite asking for comments isn't posting them. I asked Gallagher why he's got such a stiffy for Salmond, when he told me in an email last week that he voted SNP in May last year and is likely to do so again. Odd feller no doubts.

Interesting thought of the day.


Whilst out for a Sunday run today this morning we took advantage of Historic Scotland's free doors open day and visited Threave Castle.

During our wait for the ferry man to take us over to the castle I noticed a disclaimer, stating that "The Secretary of State for Scotland, is not responsible for any loss of property or person whilst tourists undertake the 30 second ferry crossing."

A thought occurred to me, have Historic Scotland been too lazy to change the signs since devolution or is Historic Scotland a reserved matter, is our Historical culture still controlled from Westminster by bouffant Des?

Answers on a swans beak please.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 17:22:19
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Here is some Unionist dribble.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/images/2007/02/20/swan_drop_hotchkiss_465x349.jpg
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 17:24:56
316. Rubbish. The last three System 3 polls have give pro-independence supprt at 34%, 40% and 41% in August 07, Dec 07 and April 08 respectively.

Progressive Scottish Opion last week gave 41% support for independence.

Clearly there is no trend or consistency here, and Highland AM2 will be along shortly to explain why not.
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McX,

13/04/2008 17:31:06
#317 Arf! Cheers Conan.

Whatever happened to our dear old lavender chum Ayrshire Scot? He'd soon rout this posturing mountebank 'Union is Best' and his indefensible FACTS!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 17:32:51
I see that little Hitler Methalions has been busy like a little Nazi reporting posts again.

That man is such a pedantic little nit-wit.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 17:37:14
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He appears to be "indisposed".The Duval ye ken.

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Wee MADman...reporting what posts?
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Paloma negra,

13/04/2008 17:37:40
Just love it when that smarmy b*stard Salmond gets caught out ... and all his loyal sheep echo a resounding bahhhhhh in support of him.

Why do the SNP not have the guts to admit their mistakes???
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 17:39:03
322 Conan

The Middle-finger that I flicked at Union is Best at 285.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 17:40:31
321. Now,now, Chin up and best foot Alfred.
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McX,

13/04/2008 17:41:43
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Independence support at 41%, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, nasty Nats reporting my dribbling handitarded cuntwad ways, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I used to be a contender, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah Adriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, QoS 4 - Aberdeen 3, Doonhamer in a world of moral turpitude,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah!

Round of applause for Meths reporting the boards resident dribbling Nazi.

You go girl, as those uppity colonial types are oft heard to say.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 17:42:47
323. Too right! And as soon as we Unionists figure out the mistake implied by this article, I am going to post it! In the meantime, like you, I think Salmond has no business interfering in things to protect Scottish jobs!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 17:44:11
328 Methalions

I see, well, wot numbskull did done it is a teet.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 17:46:58
328
Three minutes of sun meths.

Ciggy time eh?

Are you back and posting?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 13/04/2008 17:48:12
A serious question so please no hysterics but waht do we think the answer would be if tghe question asked was. " Do you beleieve that Scotland should seperate herself from the rest of the United Kingdom and become an Independent Country?" The arguements over what any question will be are massive. The one I have quoted is at one extreme the one the SNP favour at the other.
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macd,

Aberdeen 13/04/2008 17:51:02
frankly, this is desparate stuff.

im not aligned to a political party but voted SNP last time out. Quite simply, I could no longer stomach the dreary 'municipal scotland' that has been the dominant feature of this country during my lifetime.

This has been compounded recently; I have watched slack jawed as labour and LDs have tried to do Salmond at every turn. I think I have just relised why this is so:

Salmond offers hope. That is something very new in this country and is obviously a quality that does not sit at all well in certain quarters.

Pathetic
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 17:51:33
#323 Paloma

And you will deign to list those mistakes?

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 17:53:24
As someone with shares in Scottish Power - which are now Iberdrola shares - I would rather have seen a report by a heavyweight financial reporter on the effect of Iberdrola shares due to an impending take over by EDF than a wee political swipe by a lightweight headline sensationalist.

It would have been interesting to read if Salmond's actions had had any bearing on the situation or not.

While I presume not, I would still like to say that the thought of a state owned company, as EDF is, operating in the free market appals me.

Eddie Barnes, can you shed some light on that? No?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 17:54:07
so then are we to assume that when the labour party was in power that meant they never ever spoke to industries or companies. What the hell where they doing for 8 years?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:00:07
that little poll has just made me think.


when the devolution law was set up why was there not a part that said that everyone should sit in the scottish parliament and powers would be devolved to westminster?
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McX,

13/04/2008 18:00:33
#338 What the hell where they doing for 8 years?

Nests and feathering spring to mind
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:01:52
338. The Scootsih Industry Forum is not a forum of Scottish industries, and we Unionists therefore refute criticisms that Labour had dealings with it.

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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:07:22
340. Rubbish. Labour in Scotland were having many high level meetings with property developers and industrialists based in Jersey in the last 8 years. As these are based outside of Scotland this presents no conflict of interest.

And, Labour did deal with the Scottish Industry Forum. But as it has nothing to do with Scottish Industry this is also not a conflict, unlike the SNP tampering in all bits of Scottish industry, talking of growth and jobs - a total conflict!
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:08:25
ScottishPower said the statement on the takeover had been Salmond's decision. "Phil Henderson has good relationships with … all levels of government from all parties," he said.

now do those ... three little dots in that statement mean the hootsman has removed part of the statment.

media manipulation?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:11:22
344. Clearly Scottish Power were giving money to Labour, just like Ciderman said, to curry favour from the SNP.
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McX,

13/04/2008 18:12:28
Well done Lena Hyena, where did you find that?
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McX,

13/04/2008 18:18:37
Cheers lena, much fun to be had there.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 18:18:39
349 Lena Hyena

I can't believe you just said that. You are a conspiracy nutter, please stop. Stop it now.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:21:04
347, Rubbish, next you will say that becasue the Daily Record donates money to the Labour party it is biased in some way?

All you have proven is that Scottish power is one of the most regular donors to the Labour party. This does not undermine the charge they gave that money to get favours from the SNP, as Ciderman said.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:23:37
ah well i guess we now know what the missing part of the statment said.
obviously something along the lines of Phil Henderson has good relationships with …(the labour party ) all levels of government from all parties," he said
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:23:45
351. Quite right - the Labour Party has not been reported 4 times to the prosecution authorities in the past 6 months for failure to declare things to the Electoral Commission!
The charge from Leena that Labour would hide things from the Electoral Commission is ludicrous. Wendy Alexander, Andy Kerr, Peter Hain et al were not referred to the police for exactly that, and Harriet Harman and that Abrahams chap certainly did not hide anything from the EC.
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McX,

13/04/2008 18:29:37
Shitting crikey, the Labour Party have received


£105,089,518.28


in cash donations in the past seven years alone.


http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regdpoliticalparties.cfm?ec=%7Bts%20%272008%2D04%2D13%2018%3A29%3A23%27%7D
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:30:51
The 34-year-old Briton, who lives near the Algarve holiday apartment from which Madeleine went missing, denies any involvement in her disappearance.

Reports suggest the action could lead to a record payout of more than £2m.

Villa searched

In a statement, the solicitors, who are specialists in media litigation, said they were taking action against Sky, the Sun, the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, the Daily Star and the Daily Mail.

They also listed the Evening Standard, the Metro, the Daily Mirror, the Sunday Mirror, the News of the World and the Scotsman.

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McX,

13/04/2008 18:32:10
That's one hundred and five million, eighty-nine thousand, five hundred and eighteen pounds and twenty -eight pence.

It cant all of gone on Blair's colgate halo surely?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:38:19
breaking news breaking news

scotsman to be sued for two million quid
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 18:39:47
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7344986.stm
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 18:41:30
Superb posting @344 Lena Hyena

Well Alfie/Ciderman, after reading #344 does that not show you how much of an erse you've made of yourself?
You're in good company as it shows that Eddie Barnes is as complete an idiot as you are.
Never mind I'm sure the Hootsmoan will make up a few scandals this week and the drive to independence will move on relentlessly with polls for independence hitting the 60% mark.

www.snp.org
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Paloma negra,

13/04/2008 18:42:28
The SNP supporters continue to bleat ...
These pages get so tiresome.

Somebody change the CD.
The SNP really are tedious.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 18:44:14
351 Alfred E. Neuman,13/04/2008 18:18:39

Good Evening Alfie owld son,.....IT'S TIME.....fur second Prosac o' the today, I jist thocht ah wid remind ye, as ye seem tae be gawin intae thon parallel universe agin.

Mind an tell Wee Red tae tak hers anaw, a widdnae want ye baith to huv a relapse noo that yer baith comin tae terms wie the real universe.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:45:37
362. What is your point? Ciderman was quite correct! Scottish Power are on the of the most regular donors to political parties! The fact they give alot of monet to Labour was clearly a case of buying influence with the SNP!

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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 18:52:24
I looked up SNP Voter in a thesaraus, here is what I found...

SNP voter (noun)

One deficient in judgment and good sense: ass, fool, imbecile, jackass, mooncalf, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simple, simpleton, softhead, tomfool. Informal: dope, gander, goose. Slang: cretin, ding-dong, dip, goof, jerk, nerd, schmo, schmuck, turkey.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:54:06
369. Great post ! We Unionists must claw back lost ground by insulting the largest plurality of Scottish voters!
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 18:57:00
"a ScottishPower lobbyist"

It seems to twist the position of 'head of public affairs' to call the person a 'lobbyist'
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 18:57:38
359 McX,13/04/2008 18:32:10

Hi McX, have you read Eddie Barnes take on the constant attacks on Holyrood by Westminster?

Read it here:
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion/Eddie-Barnes-Three39s-a-crowd.3976740.jp
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 18:58:55
371. Cider, great post! And the bit about bullying down syndromes! Fantastic! (What does it mean? That he was nasty to groupings of symptoms?)

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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/04/2008 19:02:00
371 Alfred E. Neuman,13/04/2008 18:56:35

Alfie me owld son, ye huvnae takin that prosac yit, huv ye?
Ye naw whit happens when ye miss wan oot ye git aw agitatit an depressed maun, go ooan ye naw .........IT's TIME............. tak it!!!
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 19:17:35
# 371 Cideralfie

After that superbly intellectual posting I have to bow to your superior intelligence. Once you started using macro-economic arguments and down syndrome physics along with Esperanto spelling and spanners, that was the end for me. You now have my promise that I'll vote for whoever you want me to.

www.monsterravinglooneyparty.great.britain
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 19:17:46
alfred e neuman = fed lean manure

only joking alfie me old china
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 19:21:02
377 Jimmy

What are the repeated references to Cider? (You tool)
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Stepford Nat,

13/04/2008 19:21:58
371 Alf

"I knew one SNP voter once, he bullied down syndromes." I can't see a problem here - a legitimate target if they are unionists.

www.snp.org Scottish Power for Scottish folk!
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 19:30:27
#380 Alfiecider

I wouldn't dream of insulting your superior intelligence by answering your witty query - you jester!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 19:31:05
380
You seem to dislike tools, Alfred...
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 19:39:39
385
Down with Foulkes syndrome.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 19:51:43
387
Avoid whisky, old ladies and policemen in that order:-)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 19:52:01
I use a prepaid meter from Scottish Power. They came round one day to reset it for their price hike - as usual when I'm at work.

When they eventually got me in and reset the meter a bill arrived for the £5 or so that I owed them since the price hike. Fair enough.

Then they worked out that I was, say £570 in credit and £575 in debit.

So I owed them £5 plus £28.50 in VAT. I would have said you cannot make this up but they must have done. I still have the bill and have a mind to post it somewhere as I wonder how many people just pay these things.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 19:52:17
#386 Conan

I see the legal profession are now using the term "A Red Wendy" for deliberate, wilful lying, and "A Red Dougie" for deliberate, wilful incompetence, and "A Red Alfie" for deliberate, wilful stupidity and small-mindedness
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:00:14
392. Quite Right! And just wait until the SNP discover those English and Asian Scots MSPs they have accidentally elected!
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:01:18
392. (ps - you are coming across a pit psihed and desperate - take a break and I'll ask Highland to cover for you!)
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:01:31
392
Er...Ciderman, if he was German, then that is how his name IS pronounced.
For Foulkes sake.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:04:44
396. Cider - if the Nats ask you why Scottish Power is one of Labour's most regular donors when you said they were bribing the SNP, move on!

And indeed, sheer tokenism on the part of voters to elect English and Asian SNP MSPs! The more we accuse the electorate of these type of base actions, the more we can claw back ground!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:05:10
391
Jimmy, sounds like fishing lures...Hmmm...
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:05:32
400
Hehe
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:08:44
ciderman and of course you will have hundreds upon thousands of recent examples of this racism of which you speak which you are now going to list wont you?

i mean it will be as long as the labour sleaze list i assume well maybe not quite as long cos thats a long long long list but we will give you points for effort.......

unless of course your a lying troll?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 20:09:58
395, Conan. Correct. I would also have thought that being a German Jew in the 60's was something to be proud of.

The Apfelweinsäufer is toiling to score points for his own personal agenda.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:10:19
401
Wow, such a leap of logic.Are you a pole vaulter?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:11:23
by the way evidence in the form of online newspapers articles is of course not proof unless it mentions a court case. say for example somehting like

labour msp caught setting fire to curtains

labour lord foulkes fined for bashing old lady.

you know something along those lines ciderman..............
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:11:49
401. Great post! And don't forget Gordon McMaster, the Paisley MP, hounded to his death by the homophobes in his own SNP party!
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 20:12:15
Cideralfiehighland

You're getting very confused now. Time for medicine sweeties and bedybys.

Remember the Scottish Government will always have a bed available at Carstairs for you even if you never vote SNP
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:12:19
or was it foulkes knocks down old lady and bashes a policeman someone remind me?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:15:04
407 think you are getting confused there union is best gordon mcmaster was a LABOUR MP who was hounded to death by homophobes in the LABOUR party.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:16:09
I thoght ciders name was pete did he change it again?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:17:37
breaking news breaking news

ciderman looks like a total numpty cos he cant provide proof of the allegations he made.

ciderman said okay okay im a troll ive got nothing.

the labour party have deserted me in my hour of need.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:18:19
411. Rubbish. The viscious SNP homophobes in the Labour Party hounded him to his death.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

13/04/2008 20:18:48
I hadn't really known until today about the horrible racism within the SNP. I knew they were capable of it, but that is a disgrace.

What I did know was that Sean Connery once admitted that he thinks domestic violence towards women is acceptable and that this statement was widely applauded with the SNP.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:22:13
416 is that it is that all youve got. what no court case you will remember we said court case?

and no newspaper articles to back it up.

dire really really dire. it took you ten minutes to find that.

donkey eee awwww.
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:22:41
411. I have just checked, and MP Tommy Graham was suspended for involvement in a viscious campaign of homophobia that resulted in the suidice of Gordon McMaster. Are you trelling me that Tommy Graham is not an SNP MP!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:23:16
416
"What I did know was that Sean Connery once admitted that he thinks domestic violence towards women is acceptable and that this statement was widely applauded with the SNP"

Can you back that up?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:23:51
Labour Wife Beating

A COUNCILLOR was convicted of beating up his Ukrainian-born wife after smearing her face with curry during a drink-fuelled argument. Hartlepool borough councillor Trevor Rogan grabbed his wife by the throat, hit her, twisted her arm and pulled her hair during the attack in the early hours of October 22 last year.

Rogan last night vowed to appeal against his conviction after magistrates refused to believe his version of events. His wife, Irina, 33, said she was left frightened by the attack, and may leave the town to start a new life. Rogan, 53, of John Howe Gardens, Hartlepool, pleaded not guilty to common assault, claiming he had restrained his wife after she began attacking him.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.1433316.0.couon_his_wife.php
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:24:10
416. good post! If the Nats mention that Tory MP who battered his wife last year, just move on!

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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:24:45
i counter your sean connery with an actual court case.

NEXT?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:25:12
420. Of course not! We are Unionists! We do not "back things up"!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:25:53
422
Would that be Rogan Josh?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:25:56
425. Damn you and your facts! We Unionists will get you, and your little dog too!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 20:27:35
I just wonder if the Ciderweinsäufer is Forres or agin us.
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Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 20:27:49
Alfiecider

So you reckon Sean Connery advocates wife beating??
Mmm that'll hurt the SNP in the opinion poles
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:29:53
ciderman and alfred

you will notice the racist element in that his wife was ukranian?

counter? or have you had enough?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 13/04/2008 20:30:41
Ciderman

What do YOU stand for?

You pick fights on these threads daily making dubious allegations, encouraging stereotypes and generalisations, but most of all, simply being NEGATIVE.

Your wee piece on the SNP of the 60's was very entertaining, but if actually true, was more a commentary of life in Scotland/UK at that time. Your accusation that the SNP harbours exactly the same views then as now, means that the whole of society in Scotland is the same. As I said already, you encourage stereotypes and generalisations.

So I ask again. What do you stand for? The status quo, the extension of devolved powers, a federal system, or abolition of the Scottish Parliament? Most posters on this thread are open and honest about what they support and why. To date, you have merely been an Agent Provocateur.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:31:19
god do they have to make it so easy?
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Union is Best,

13/04/2008 20:32:26
432. Nice try. It was the SNP homophobes wot shot that dog, just as they hounded that Gordon McMaster to his death. Why the Labour party suspended Labour MP Tommy Graham for a campaign of homophobic harrassment in that case is beyond me!
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:32:57
434

i think he sits a lot i heard grannies on buses are highly suspicious of him and refuse to take his seat for fear he has left them a present on it?
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:33:47
431
Subtlety. Away and pan.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:34:11
tommy grham was that him that went to the same pie shop as jackie ballie?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:35:26
right anyway back to the survey.

hootsmon where is it?

thats going in my location from now on.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 20:35:32
Bird of Prey, various, there is only one pan required for the Labour Party (Scotland) and that is the lavvy pan.
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karinxxx,

where is survey the scotsman promised to publish o 13/04/2008 20:36:03
there see
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 20:42:54
445, before you get carried away with yourself, Bird of Prey, 442 was just to get you to introduce yourself to me
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karinxxx,

where is survey the scotsman promised to publish o 13/04/2008 20:43:44
aww have alfred and ciderman given up then i was just getting started

Labour Councillor - racially aggravated disorder

A COUNCILLOR has been suspended by Labour Party chiefs after being arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated disorder.
Rob Dix, Labour representative for Harton, South Tyneside, was arrested last Wednesday afternoon by officers in Chapter Row, South Shields, following an alleged incident in the town centre.
He was taken to South Shields Police Station where he was questioned. He wasn't charged and released on police bail. He was ordered to reappear at the station on May 7.
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It is understood the suspected offence relates to an alleged dispute with a black traffic enforcement officer, while Coun Dix, 52, was delivering for Parcelforce in East Street, South Shields.
Neil Fleming, spokesman for the Labour Party, said that Coun Dix, of Summerhill Road, South Shields had been suspended by the party, pending the outcome of the police investigation.
Parcelforce Worldwide, who Coun Dix is understood to have been working for at the time, said a full internal investigation has been launched, but refused to say whether he had been suspended.
Spokesman Marie Gray said: "Parcelforce Worldwide has been informed of an incident involving a driver on Wednesday March 26.
"An internal investigation is underway and we will also await the results of the police inquiry."
Coun Ed Malcolm, chief whip of the Labour group on South Tyneside Council, said: "We cannot make any comment until the police have concluded their inquires."
Coun Dix was re-elected to South Tyneside Council on May 3 last year, ousting veteran Progressive Councillor Gordon Finch by 229 votes. He'd previously lost his seat in the 2004 local elections.
He is currently vice-chair of the Regeneration and Resources Scrutiny Committee, and sits on a range of other committees including licensing and regulatory.
A senior South Shields Labour Party source said: "No-one knows many
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:45:19
446 lena thats labour party talk that

we are all doomed according to them?

its okay if the hootsman ban me i will just give them xxxx
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karinxxx,

wheres the damned survey scotsman. you promised to 13/04/2008 20:47:45
i like this site

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:53:28
tell you what we should have pledge with a difference. lets all pledge to buy the scotsman on one particular day to show them how many readers that they are losing out on by their editorial stance. however i need to do a bit of work with HQ on co-ordination to get as many buyers as possible? If we show them how much revenue they are actually losing maybe they will buck up their ideas.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:54:48
however the only rule is that the scotsman has to pledge to have a pro snp day.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:55:42
i shall set up the pledge later today or tommorow i think
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:56:16
452
Small hippos?
Don't you love their wee wagging tails spreading shoite far and wide?
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:56:34
and im not doing it unless they publish that survey as a gesture of goodwill.
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 20:56:50
There was that SNP Secretary of State for Scotland who had the quote 'English Bastards' on the front pages of one of those SNP supporting tabloids. Disgraceful. In any case, an unsubstantiated smear from the 1960s has killed the case for independence in one fell blow.
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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:58:33
458 what is it with the 60s i thought if you could remeber it you werent there. I know i wasnt i wasnt even born.
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 20:58:47
#453
Good idea, or how about we pledge to buy the paper when they return to balanced reporting and good journalism?

Or they publish that survey?
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 20:59:38
459
A Pro SNP day...


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karinxxx,

13/04/2008 20:59:50
459 agreed lena i would do the same. however whats betting the survey wont appear because the scotsman obviously couldnt give a monkeys about the goodwill towards their bosses i.e. us.
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 21:00:08
#392
That will be in tomorrow's Scotsman - an exclusive by Hamish McDonnell...
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Hamish Scott,

13/04/2008 21:01:36
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/190564132X/026-6254547-2585224?ie=UTF8&tag=globalgrowtho-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=1634&creativeASIN=190564132X
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 21:03:31
OK, Bird of Prey, my name is Jack Thomson and I have been called Jock Tamson since school (a long time ago).

Whatever your name is, and for whatever reason you are hiding it, you have to realise that the smeddum you are showing on this site will lead you into moderation and multiple user names.

So keep up the good work but be more subtle.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 21:07:06
karinxxx, 460, did you never consider that you qualify on both counts for different reasons. Anyway, eat your heart out, the 60's were great - I think.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 21:08:17
468
Tuck your pledger back in.
Please.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/04/2008 21:12:51
469
The 60's were great. I remember...stuff.
Good stuff.
A man walked on the Moon for Chrissake.
I was there.
I think.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 21:14:19
471,Moxi, just wait and you will. Unless you are a newspaper plant = one of the untouchables.