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Published Date: 20 July 2008
SCOTLAND'S population has now risen to its highest level for a quarter of a century, defying predictions that it would plunge below five million.
The dramatic reversal of fortunes will be revealed this week in a report by the General Registers of Scotland, which also records that births have exceeded deaths for the first time in a decade.

The biggest factor has been inward migration from ot
her parts of the UK and other, mainly eastern European, countries.

Immigrants from nations such as Poland have also had a significant effect on the birth rate, with one in three of the babies born in Scotland last year having foreign parents.

The new statistics, to be published by the General Registers of Scotland, mark a remarkable turnaround from four years ago when the then First Minister, Jack McConnell, claimed that Scotland was sitting on a "demographic timebomb". He warned that the population was in real danger of slipping below five million by 2009 and branded it the "biggest single threat" facing the country.

McConnell's 'Fresh Talent' initiative, aimed at attracting skilled migrants to Scotland, is believed to be one of the factors behind the reversal.

The SNP has continued to welcome immigrants since coming to power.

The latest increases in immigration and birth rates means that Scotland's population is now projected to stay above five million until the 2070s.

The Registrar General's figures will reveal that, since 2003, Scotland's population has increased from 5.06 million to 5.14 million. The total, for mid-2007, represents a 27,300 rise on the previous year and is the highest figure since 1983.

Last year, for example, 63,000 Scots residents left the country but there were almost 90,000 new arrivals. They included a net gain of 8,800 people from the rest of the UK, 16,800 from overseas and 1,200 members of the armed forces.

2007 was also the fifth consecutive year that the number of births had risen but the only one in which births totalled more than deaths.

Business leaders welcomed the figures. Liz Cameron, director of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, said they were "a further sign of renewed vitality in Scotland's population".

"The change in the last four years has clearly been net in-migration from new accession states of the EU. This probably peaked at the time of the survey and the challenge now is to encourage these very welcome workers to stay and make a new life in Scotland."

Stuart Mackinnon, spokesman for the Federation of Small Businesses Scotland, added: "A larger population and a larger working population for Scotland is very good news for small businesses. However, our understanding is that immigration from Eastern Europe is now starting to move back in the other direction. It is important to convince skilled labourers from abroad and the talented people that Scotland produces to actually remain in Scotland."

The latest statistics counter previous forecasts that Scotland was facing a damaging population decline. The Westminster Government Actuary had predicted that Scotland's population would fall below five million by next year, based on the fact that the nation's population had been falling for two decades and that no other part of the UK had a lower birth rate.

If that forecast had proved accurate, the population decline could have had a severe effect on the economy, leaving too few people of working age in Scotland to meet the needs of employers and to raise enough taxes to pay for soaring numbers of pensioners.

The influx of migrants from Eastern Europe, especially Poland, began in 2004 when they became eligible to work in the UK after their countries joined the EU. Home Office figures indicate that more than 52,000 citizens from the former communist states have registered to work in Scotland.

Around one third of the babies born in Scotland last year were to mothers born in Eastern Europe, and earlier this year the Scottish Government revealed that there are 3,347 school pupils whose first language is Polish.

The figures appear to vindicate the previous Scottish Executive's decision in 2004 to launch the Fresh Talent initiative, a drive to encourage 8,000 more skilled workers to put down roots in Scotland.

McConnell launched a website, scotlandistheplace.com, which was designed to sell the virtues of the country to potential migrants. The SNP Government has continued the scheme. Finance and Sustainable Growth Secretary John Swinney said there were clear dangers if Scotland's population growth continued to lag behind the UK.

Earlier this year, he said: "An increasing population has the potential to boost Scotland's economic growth. Without increasing labour participation among older people or attracting more people of working age to Scotland, adverse economic impacts are likely." A report by the Registrar General on demographic change forecast earlier this year that, based on past trends, the greatest areas of population growth would be Perth and Kinross (28%), West Lothian (22%), East Lothian (21%), Aberdeenshire (19%), Edinburgh (17%), Borders (15%) and the Orkney Islands (14%).

Overall in Scotland, it predicted the number of households would increase due to more people living alone.





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1

glen urquhart,

glasgow 20/07/2008 00:17:45
Yes, we're very lucky, particularly to have thousands of Roma come to our country where they sell the Big Issue on our streets. How would we manage without them?
2

truthsleuth,

20/07/2008 00:21:21
National Health tourists
Nigerian fraudsters
Eastern European gangsters
Asian terrorists

and yes SOME genuine immigrant contributors to the Scots economy
3

monkey man,

20/07/2008 00:35:27
# 3

The only racism I've ever seen and heard in Scotland is from anti-English bigots. Would they be SNP voters.? Mmmmm....
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 00:53:47

I Told you all this ages ago, once again deaf ears ignore!

And what can one expect!? you don't take care of your 'home land', others will!

While we stack our 'pots of gold' and 'show off' our latest 60"LCD TV hanging on the wall of our £500K home, to which will be all meaningless when your dead, others are getting in with what is important in life, and furthering the generations, with new life!

The Rewards are 100fold!

The rewards now quite rightly go to our migrants, they will leave behind the,...

'New Scotland' Families and their Children!

And all we leave is a 60" LCD TV in a 'Breakers Yard' and a £500K house which will be meaningless, once your Dead!

Choice is ours, but Dont expect Scotland, to be Scottish, for much longer!
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 00:58:16

Scottish People wont procreate, others Will!

To our detriment!
6

Evia,

20/07/2008 01:20:50
5 Charles Linskaill

I agree with most of your comments but not all the migrants are contributing by way of taxes. some of them have come here for an easy life and I object to having my taxes going to support them as well as our own lazy benefit scroungers. We certainly can't depend on their children because these kids will most likely grow up thinking that a life of idleness is the norm.

Already, I feel as if I live in a foreign country. I am used to living beside people of different nationalities but the situation has got out of hand. I have lived quite happily beside people of different nationalities and religions but we are being taken over.

I must congratulate the Polish people in particular because I have found them hard working and polite (some of our own people could take a few tips from them)but, unfortunately, not all immigrants are like that.
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 01:35:40

Evia ~7,

re: The Polish People, I agree!

And they are the ones, when you walk round the supermarkets, have their new Babies in their arms, unlike us, unlike us!

BTW, I think the Poles could teach us all the,..

'Values' in Life!

Something the Scottish People, have thrown away!
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 02:09:51

BUT!! Don't Worry!

Charles Linskaill and his DYW, are trying to, "Procreate"

Hopefully we will be the last living legends, to Honer Scotland!
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 02:15:25
re: correction #9,...

Hopefully we will be the last living Scottish legends, to Honour Scotland!
10

Guga II,

Rockall 20/07/2008 03:02:51
#4 monkey with the red rosette. Given that you are English, why do you always try and denigrate Scotlnd and the Scots? If there is anyone bigotted and racists, it is you, as can be seen from your many posts.


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The Daleks,

Longmen 20/07/2008 06:23:19
Migrants defuse population timebomb by pouring into the country en-masse and taking over the place. We are having our country stolen from underneath our noses as we all sit back and watch with apparent disinterest.
12

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20/07/2008 06:36:19
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Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 20/07/2008 06:38:26
Why have 63,000 Scots left the home country?
14

FC Barcelona,

20/07/2008 08:22:28
no 14, perhaps due to having a uk government that cares more about ethnic minorities than the local population who feel their taxes are being misspent on pet projects (we know what they are) of this lieing government ???
15

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 08:50:04
It's all temporary. Our visitors from Poland will be offski like snow off a dyke as the current economic situation deepens. Some will stay no doubt, but I suspect the majority are just youngsters on a kind of money-making gap year.
16

WYGMBP,

Germany 20/07/2008 09:04:31
I left Scotland because I was not good enough for the North Sea. Now I live abroad, and have the career progression opportunities, financial rewards, and indeed lifestyle that is not on offer in Scotland.
17

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 20/07/2008 09:38:16
If past repeated Tory governments; such as the evil sleazy corrupt Thatcherite ahower hadn't driven out so many off our native Scots to seek some sort of future for their families when they attacked our nation's industrial basis; the need for migrants to bolster the population numbers of our nation would never have arisen.
18

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 10:02:02
#18 Wattie

Yes. Let's all get back to the industrial paradise that was pre-Thatcher Scotland. A land where men were men, working down the pits and making railway engines. Where we could wear our asbestosis as a mark of working class pride. For your information, the western world has changed. You share the puerile hatred of Thatcher that has saddled us with Labour rule. Unfortunately, its an attitude shared by the neo-socialist buffoons in the SNP.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 20/07/2008 10:51:27
#19 Where have you lived during the last 100 years?
In noddie land? It certainlly wasn't in the nation of Scotlannd that I was born in!
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 11:19:37

It is apparent, sadly all to apparent that, Haggis MacBagpipes and our Boy Wonder are in 'cahoot's' together, on a mission, to 'Mock' the 'Truism's' Charles Linskaill speaks.
Maybe the article on Whisky is right enough and we should be 'swallowing' the stuff, far better the swallowing of 'Whisky' than swallowing anything your read of what, Haggis MacBagpipes and Boy Wonder have to say!
Their 'Mission' in life, sadly is "Worthless", while the mission of Charles Linskaill, to 'fly the flag' and preserve the Scottish Heritage, is well worth while!
While in my attempts to 'Procreate to Accumulate'

The latter mentioned 'Toerags', only see 'destruction' as an accomplishment!

"Cheers" should read, 'Tears',..HUH, Haggis MacBagpipes,?

:))
21

Euan,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 11:31:43
'Last year, for example, 63,000 Scots residents left the country'

Wonder why?

Maybe they all increasingly concerned at seeing their country being over-run with immigrants perhaps?


22

livilion,

livingston 20/07/2008 11:48:46
19 Draco Was a Wimp

Yes the western has changed: The Germans, the French and Italians build our ships cars lorries vans trains and trams, while the Chinese and Japanese seem to make everything else using technology we gave up. The Spanish own our fish and our utility companies. The French own our distilleries. We buy gas at any price from the former Soviet Union while centuries of coal reserves are left abandoned underground inspite of the fact that the technology pioneered in Britain exists to use it with virtually no polution.

North Sea oil money financed the wholesale give away of everything Maggie Thatcher said made us great.

Smashing, super, great.
23

Euan,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 11:59:08
#23

Well said.
24

livilion,

livingston 20/07/2008 12:03:14
#4 monkey man,20/07/2008 00:35:27
# 3

>>>The only racism I've ever seen and heard in Scotland is from anti-English bigots. Would they be SNP voters.? Mmmmm....<<<

Want to re-read the contributions on this thread. The xenophobia (as opposed to the fear of suncream)ain't coming from the nationalists.
25

Tris,

20/07/2008 12:10:39
23 and 24.....

Well said.
26

jake mcq,

glasgow 20/07/2008 12:14:17
In April of this year the the House of Lords Economic Committee struck a blow against years of blatant government propaganda regarding Britain's need for high levels of immigration.

The Government's key claim that immigration increases Britain's overall gross domestic product (GDP) was dismissed as "irrelevant and misleading" - even though, as the report pointed out, it is a claim that has been "persistently emphasised".
Far from focusing on GDP, the report stated, the real issue is whether immigration has boosted income per head of population; and concludes that the effects on per capita income are "very small, whether positive or negative".

And what of the Government's argument that immigration is needed to fill job vacancies? Such claims, the committee judges with admirable restraint, are "analytically weak". Immigration, it continues, is unlikely to be an effective tool for reducing vacancies other than in the short term.

As for the Roma beggars in Glasgow and elsewhere. None work. None are apparently are looking for work, if you know anyone working in Employment Agencies ask them how many have asked to register for employment. And ask the residents of Govanhill what they have done for the area. What a soft touch they must think we are.

Yet the government demonise those claiming incapacity benefits.
27

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 20/07/2008 12:33:38
The Daleks are vile, racist, xenophobic scum as evidenced by their disgusting postings.

Apparently they have never travelled much and that is the reason for their ignorance and stupidity.

Ignore comments from the Daleks because they lower the tone of every forum they enter on this site.

How can God create such yucky neanderthals in all His/Her omniscience?
28

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:00:27
#23 Livilion

Yeah, I admit a lot of what you say is true but it has nothing to do with the transition to the post-industrial economy that began under Thatcher. The large-scale heavy industry, so obviously beloved of Wattie and 1000s of other throughbacks, has scaled down in most western countries. Just the other day, I read that General Motors of all things was struggling in the USA. We've moved on to a more service centred economy since the 80s. Youre right in saying the UK is getting it a bit tight these days but thats because in many instances our sappy governments seem to the only one in the EU playing by the rules set by the EU. The Common Fisheries Policy is enforced as it suits, usually only by the UK government. Spain in particular gives dodgy state subsidies to companies to allow them to expand abroad (the purchase of BAA springs to mind). Spain again, and Germany, are happy for their banks and utility companies to expand abroad while putting obstacles in the way of UK companies that want to do likewise. Yes, we should be expanding on new greener coal-fired power stages and exploiting the re-usable resources Scotland is blessed (plagued?) with but that's up to entrepreneurs to do so. For me and you to take a chance, not the State. Especially a Labour-run State. Brown and Darling couldn't run a bath, let alone a company. Thatcher saw that the State should keep its neb out of business. It's a shame the smothering ethos of Socialism holds this country back.
29

glen urquhart,

glasgow 20/07/2008 13:01:24
#28 Are those drugs good, pal?
30

monkey man,

20/07/2008 13:04:56
# 11 Guga

I am Scottish, not English, but this doesn't prevent me from stating what I've personally witnessed. There is quite palpable elements of anti-English racism and bigotry in Scotland. To ignore that fact is just silly.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:11:55

Tim ~28,

I see that you are in good stead, re; "racism",..I hope non of my comments come across in this manner, for me its a,..'good on them' for those that have 'Values' in Life!
Sadness fills me, when I see our nationals, racing to their 'Graves' with what appears, to be only how much money they can obtain, in their lives as a paramount of importance to them.
32

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:22:12

BTW, funny how the 'comments' change from, 'Life Choices' to one of a Political manner, People Blaming others!

While 'others' (our migrants) get on with it, and benefit from the 'Fruits' of our Nation.
33

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/07/2008 13:28:17
The demographic "timebomb" was a fabrication by McConnell and his Westminster cronies to invite in all and sundry and swell the ranks of Labour voters. Can you guess why the borders are not policed with vigour? And having entered Britain and inevitably Scotland illegally are those immigrants actively pursued and returned to country of origin?

Having utterly failed to get the youth of the country off their backsides and doing a day's work, we now apparently need the youth of other countries to do our bidding at knock-down prices. Except the tables are now turning as the extent of Brown's profligate career as Chancer of the Exchequer becomes more and more abundantly clear. Productive and legal immigrants such as the Poles and Lithuanians are now returning home as their countries' economies pick up and we get left with - guess - yes the people who came to this country for the benefits in terms of unemployment, health, housing and so on. Who will now fund their extravagant lifestyles (compared to where they came from?). Not the domestic dole-addicted, shiftless, incapacity-benefit claiming wasters. (Incidentally I don't think that everyone on IB is a waster or doesn't deserve it but there is a significant percentage as even the government admits who do not deserve it).

So McConnell and his ilk have merely made the problem worse and the solution is no further on.

The whole system needs major surgery to improve it. Benefits must be cracked down on and paid to those who genuinely deserve it. Generations of the benefit addicts will howl, but it has to be done. The law must be adhered to and prison made somewhere that is far from being pleasant. Criminals have to realise their rewards are not just not worth it. Illegal immigrants should be deported immediately and not hang around in detention centres (why do it?). Those genuinely seeking employment here from abroad and who are coming into the country on a legal basis should be supported. New Labour should be and
34

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/07/2008 13:30:25
..New Labour just needs to be and will be consigned to the dustbin of history as their ineptitude and sleaze becomes apparent to the most dyed in the wool supporter.
35

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 20/07/2008 13:31:14
2009 will be an interesting year if the thousands of expected Burns fans return to their homeland as expected. Their nostalgic memories of the Scotland they once knew will be sadly shattered and they may decide that this will be their last trip back home.
36

Scythia,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 13:36:58
The "demographic timebomb". came from projections derived from a statistical blip for 2001. The fact is mass-immigration was inevitable after the tranformation from an industrial to service sector orientated economy.
The "pension deficit" argument is a red herring, even the Government doesn't use that argument ( the population would need to double in a decade), after a UN report ridiculed the claim.

Of course as any Aborigine , or Indian will tell you the threat is cultural. Look no further than the highlands and Islands and Gaelic tradition to see what happens when small populated areas are effected by massin-migration. Small numbers of immigrants can be good when absorbded and assimilated(the Poles are a good example here whom I welcome ) but when the numbers are so large and the people come from a myriad of very different cultures and traditions, the alarm bells should be ringing.
37

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 20/07/2008 13:55:00
#31 gLEN

The drugs are fantatic - caffeine in my fairtrade organic, shadegrown Columbian coffee with a wee dram or two in it to get my morning off to a BANG!

Any drugs I do take are PRESCRIBED by either my GP or endocrinologist. I currently do not see a psychiatrist or psychoologist or any other kind of "shringk", SO THERE! :)))))
38

Govanhill,

Govanhill 20/07/2008 13:58:51
Let Mr Salmond take a walk along Allison St or up some of the closes in Westmoreland St in Govanhill.

39

Allan(handofgod137),

20/07/2008 14:11:26
Usual leftist sh*te from the hootsmon, pre WW2 Scotland's population stod at 3000000, and industry was far more labour intensive than today. We don't need immigration, we just need to kick the dole moles off benifit and get them doing the jobs they have refused as being beneath them. As for the demise of our traditional industries, they were long dead, thanks to socialism, before Thatcher switched off the life support.
40

Neil,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 14:44:07
There is a strong correlation between the availability of housing & having kids. We live in a society where 75% of the cost of new houses is government monopolism. In a free market we would have affordable housing for all & more families.

Restrictions on housing are strongly supported by the "heritage" industry but surely Scotland's heritage should be the people of Scotland not its ancient buildings?
41

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 20/07/2008 18:51:46
Many posts blame Mrs Thatcher for everything Polish immigrants arriving and Scots leaving Scotland. Simply is not true more likely it is the fact that the EU lets anyone in and gives them priority to services over the indigenous population. This came about under Labour control(that Nice MR Blair and Mr Brown!!!) They also try to protect the union at the same time as giving devolution to 3 out of the 4 countries that make up the UK .It just cannot work .Stop blaming Maggie start campaigning against the present lot who have the authority to change matters if they so wish.
42

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 19:08:24

"births have exceeded deaths"

"with one in three of the babies born in Scotland last year having foreign parents"

If one reads the article correctly and chooses to understand the above quoted context, 'birth rate' has nothing to do with politics atall, its, 'People Choice',
If the Scott's wont have 'Babies', dont complain when others do, why the 'Green Cheese'?
The saying, ...
"You made your Bed, now lie in it" comes to mind!
43

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 20/07/2008 19:34:18
90% yes 90% or there abouts of the population of Vancouvers schools are non-white. So what..life moves on and the world changes.India, China and Russia will soon have their day at the top.

Values that were once held dear in the Scottish fishing ( my family) and others are nearly all dead.

Consumerism, by and large is the culprit..holiday homes, by to let flats..stock schemes. Have all but eroded the family structure. Immigrants are simply dealing the cards that are dealt them.

I am an immigrant to Canada, and am thankful that I chose that route.

Sure many immigrants are schemers, how about the homegrown dross though.

All the best.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 19:52:34

Dekester ~45,

....."Values"......as re my comment, ~5!

Agreed!
45

Boy Wonder,

20/07/2008 21:58:10
#46. Chuckles .... I hope you are strapped into your bed tonight and had your meds! You've rum rampant through today's edition, haven't you? Naughty boy! Take your sleeping pills!
46

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 22:15:18

Boy Wonder ~47,

Thank your, 'lucky stars', that I am not the retired 94year old that you claim I am.

Also thank your, 'lucky stars' I am not a 'House Daddy' yet.

A taste of whats to come BW, a taste of whats to come!
47

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 23:48:01

Waspy100 ~49,

I will have you know, there is nothing wrong, either in the "procreation" department or for the want of "trying".
DYW, is a 'early bedder', while the 'night hawk' guards his roost!

Don't be mislead by the 'fallacies' of Boy Wonder! and his, ever growing 'fan club'!
48

The Daleks,

Longmen 21/07/2008 06:30:59
Tim, Tim, not very nice, but very, very dim!

There's nothing racist about wanting to preserve my nation and its culture from destruction.

As for travelling, I'm currently sending this post from the Middle East, so I know exactly what's in store for Scotland if things carry on the way they're going.

It's deluded PC halfwits like you we have to thank (in part) for the coming upheavals and attendant human suffering that will be experienced in the West.

As a father this worries me greatly. You, of course, don't have such concerns.

49

carrottop,

21/07/2008 11:05:31
Maybe if there weren't so many fat Scottish women things would be different?

 

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