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Published Date: 02 December 2007
THE businessman at the centre of the Wendy Alexander donation scandal was backed for an honour by senior figures in the Labour Party, it emerged last night.
MSP Charlie Gordon, who resigned last week as Labour's transport spokesman after it emerged he arranged an illegal donation from Jersey tycoon Paul Green, has now admitted he earlier supported the same businessman for an unspecified honour.

Green's spokeswoman last night confirmed he had been in line for an honour and claimed that four other Labour figures were involved in writing letters of recommendation.

The revelation comes just months after an exhaustive police inquiry into the cash-for-honours affair concluded south of the Border without charges. It was alleged Labour officials had offered knighthoods and peerages in return for donations.

Paul Green's spokeswoman last night stressed the businessman had not received an honour and strenuously denied any link to cash for honours. She said it was not surprising that someone who had done as much for Glasgow as Green - he gave the council £1m for social development - was being considered for an honour.

But the admission that Green was backed for an honour by the then leader of Glasgow City Council will increase pressure on besieged Labour leader Alexander. She has been plunged into a crisis over party funding after it emerged that her campaign to be Scottish Labour leader accepted a donation from Green of £950, and an earlier donation to the party's Holyrood election campaign for the same amount. Because Green is not resident in the UK, it broke electoral law for Labour or Alexander to accept the funds.

The problems are part of a wider crisis over funding which has gripped the Labour Party in the past week. It emerged last weekend that the party had accepted £600,000 through intermediaries which meant that the original donors' names were not made public, a breach of the laws on political funding. The Electoral Commission is investigating and the police have made clear that they will get involved in the investigation.

Charlie Gordon was the Labour leader of Glasgow City Council from 1999 to 2005. He became the MSP for Glasgow Cathcart in 2005. While Gordon was council leader he had dealings with Green over business developments in Glasgow, including the massive new £450m Silverburn Shopping Centre.

Gordon last night confirmed that he had been one of the five Labour figures who had backed Green for an honour. The move is understood to have happened between 2003-2005.

Charlie Gordon said: "I have never personally nominated anyone for an honour, but I have on two occasions written supporting material, along with others, for nominations by the Lord Provost of Glasgow. I recollect writing a supporting document for a nomination for Paul Green."

A spokeswoman for Green said: "Mr Green was put forward for a nomination for an honour. As he recalls, Charlie Gordon wrote in support of the nomination." The spokeswoman claimed several other Labour figures were also involved.

She added: "It never was discussed what the honour would be. If you look at what he has done for Glasgow it's not really surprising he was nominated."

A Scottish Tory spokesman said: "We now need to know about every donation made by him [Green] or on behalf of him to the Labour Party. Every new fact begs new questions."

An SNP spokesman said: "The more information that comes out, the more questions the Labour Party needs to answer."

A spokesman for Glasgow City Council said he would comment specifically on the situation regarding Paul Green.

He said: "For Glasgow City Council to nominate someone for an honour who has been behind the scale of developments in the city that Mr Green has, is perfectly normal."

Despite the increasing pressure on Alexander, Scotland on Sunday can also reveal that she is being urged by Gordon Brown not to resign, fearing such a move would trigger a "domino effect" of resignations across the UK.

UK party leaders fear that if Alexander - Brown's protege - were to fall on her sword it would add to pressure on Labour's deputy leader Harriet Harman and the Prime Minister himself.

Sources close to Alexander insist she is determined to "crack on" with the job and has been told to "stick it out." But last night there was renewed pressure from within her own ranks amid signs civil war was breaking out in the Scottish Labour Party over the scandal.

Party chiefs and MSPs expressed their "astonishment" at the affair, with one describing the handling of the matter as "daft".

Many now fear that, even if Alexander survives, she will be a "lame duck" leader without the necessary credibility to take on First Minister Alex Salmond.

Yesterday, campaign manager Tom McCabe insisted Alexander would not be backing out. He said: "Wendy is cracking on. People need to get the scent of blood out of their nostrils."

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1

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:18:46

So it seems Wnedy Alexander knew the donations were dodgey as long ago as Nov 5th. The Herald has traced documents to her computer which flag the donations as problematic, and list the donors address as Jersey.......

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1...

2

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:20:13

1 No one was fooled. Except perhaps AM2 who was decrying the SNP "cyber activists" criticism of this Labour sleaze.

And an honours nomination for the secret donor. Where have we seen concealed donations and honours nominations before......

3

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02/12/2007 01:22:54
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druidh,

02/12/2007 01:23:10

Oh Wendy, please don't resign. FMQ's will be sooooo exciting with you there.

5

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02/12/2007 01:23:16
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AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 01:24:33

Ha Ha, it's getting better and better!

Is wee wendy still here?

She'll be b*ggering aff tae the Costa Del Sol ASAP....she'll be at hame.....plenty of crooks down there! :-)

It's good to be a real Scot today!

7

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:27:33

7. AJ

did you read Doonhamers link to the Herald? Seems they have been lying deliberately through their teeth.... the Herald has traced it back to Wendy Woe's computer.....

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:28:27

Has a unionist politician dropped this..?

http://www.jampaper.com/userFiles/productImages/full_0597...(4%201_2%20x%206%203_8).jpg

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:30:52

6 Scotleag

yes, pity the SNP were not in a position to grant honours, and campaigned openly for Sean Connery when Labour blocked his nomination the first time.

Weird indeed that one of the most famous film stars in the world, who set up an educational charity in Scotland, should get a knighthood. Sean Connery has of course done less for Scotland than Mr P Green, Address listed as Jersey (or so his address is listed on Wendy Alexander's computer..... not that she knew about it of course....)

A fiddle, not a muddle?

10

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:32:23

6 Scotleag - and of course, Sean Connery disclosed his donations and made them legally. Labour got in bother for concealed donations for peerages. Seems they are getting in the same bother again.

11

baffies away,

02/12/2007 01:33:00

#6 - total nonsense

12

Gregor Addison,

Scotland 02/12/2007 01:34:17

Hmmm. Wendy-gate meets cash for honours. You couldn't make it up.

13

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 01:34:59

Ayrshire,

I did, and although the Herald tried to dampen the thing to a degree, but the truth is out. What a rancid pack of liars, Scottish Labour are!

Perhaps the Labour voters will now see them for what they are, or are they so uneducated and blinkered, that they will simply ignore this disgraceful debacle? Surely not?

14

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:36:12

13 Labour are drowning in sleaze. corruption and incompetence. To lose one leader in Scotland over financial irregularity may be unfortunate, to lose two looks careless... and sleazey

15

Richardinho,

02/12/2007 01:36:42

I'm most disgusted to the aspects of this case which are apparently legal; the giving of £950 in an attempt to avoid declaring the identity of donors, coupled with the subsequent granting of honors to those who gave money to Labour party politicians.

The Labour party is not a political party. It is a vast commercial institution which peddles influence; selling to the highest bidders the power of the people of this country.

16

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:37:54

14 Aj

maybe there will be by-elections. Can Whitton, Gordon and Alexander keep their seats if they are exposed as bare faced liars about an illegal matter?

Read McWhirter in the Sunday Herald - he says its curtains (not the usual new Labour burning ones) for Wendy - he says her claims not to have klnown about it are no longer credible

17

Gregor Addison,

Scotland 02/12/2007 01:39:56

Interesting that the day before yesterday the only politics story run by the Scotsman was about Charlie Gray's role in the Wendy-gate debacle - a clear attempt to fire fight the issue and stop blame spreading to Wendy Alexander. While the Herald and other papers ran several stories, the Scotsman ran only that one in its politics section. Today, several stories appear. The story about Alex Salmond referring to Blair's family as 'revolting' appears. But yesterday's article on Wendy Alexander has gone. How curious.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:40:44

6 Donations from abroad? Sean Connery made legal donations, and stopped in 2001 when it was made illegal. Perhaps you are thinking of Mittal, who by pure coincidence got a letter of endorsement from Blair on a business matter just after forking over £1 million to new Labour?

19

Ginster's Pastie,

02/12/2007 01:42:05

#4 a proud doonhammer:

"You couldn't make this stuff up."

You could, but noone would believe you!

These revelations have been the best laugh I've had for months.

20

Kipling,

02/12/2007 01:43:06

this woman's been rouged! (routed? -ed)

21

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/12/2007 01:43:21

Oh Wendy chooks come roosting home
Oo Wendy chooks come roosting home
The wannabe will have a bummer
Wendy chooks come roosting home

22

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 01:44:25

Unionists, from Stranraer to John o' Groats should wake up and smell the coffee! They must feel so let down and they must be thinking of turning to the SNP!

Despite having the entire British establishment on their case, Scotland's leading party goes from strength to strength. The truth is - clean politics is the name of the game!

There's only one viable option for the future of our country and it aint being part of an, already dying, Union!

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Ronnie W,

02/12/2007 01:46:42

Why does none of this surprise me in the least? Let's just say that I have had considerable experience campaigning against Labour in the West of Scotland.

So many skeletons toppling out of the cupboard that it is a full time job trying to keep up. I'm sure that by now even AM2 must have realised that this one is so hot that pouring oil on troubled waters is only going to result in more flames.

The real question now is how the Electoral Commission and the police handle this matter. If you are an election agent at whatever level you have to be most careful to get everything right, and you have to be very aware of the fact that you are held responsible for any act by any person which can be pinned on the party you represent by your opposition. The authorities are very strict about the upholding of electoral law.

The question is, to what extent will that apply to the high heid yins o' the labour party. I consider it of the greatest importance that the letter of the law is adhered to in this case. There have been too many instances in the south over the last few years where the outcome of various "inquiries" have been, to say the least, somewhat lacking in credibility. To have that sort of thing happen in this case would do neither the credibility of the authorities and the Scottish legal process, nor the political environment as a whole, the leasts good.

And that would be to nobody's benifit.....except possibly to the benifit of these who least deserve it.

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02/12/2007 01:49:15
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AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 01:49:48

Ayrshire,

If they have any moral fibre, they'll all resign! The question is - do they have any moral fibre? I doubt it, but at least the pressure is on.

McWhirter put the boot in, to a degree, but at least he's called it as it is.....unlike the SoS or Scotsman.

Wee Alex will have a very happy and sound sleep tonight! :-)

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:51:41

24 - No, not a direct quote. " a card with the, like, revolting family round the tree" was the actual quote. Salmond was referring to the type of card. Still, I wonder if Wendy will use her home computer (the one the Herald has traced the address of Mr Green to on her donor's file) to print out the addresses for her Xmas cards. Overseas postage is expensive mind...

28

Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 01:52:28

18 Gregor

Too late for the Scotsman to try to minimise the damage to their friendly neighbourhood party. Even yesterday's Daily Record ran a story on how Alexander could go to jail over this little misunderstanding "in good faith".

When the Record turns against them they must REALLY know that the are in SERIOUS trouble!

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:52:48

27 3 by-elections then. Whitton, Alexander and Gordon? They can't keep their seats if they are charged, can they?

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 01:54:06

29 "in good faith" would entail not having known all about since Nov 5th at the latest, having the man's actual address in Jersey on her home PC, marked as problematic, and not then lying about it deliberately.

31

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/12/2007 01:54:08

Oh Wendy aint some arch hireling
Oh Wendy aint some arch hireling
She wannabe a Nat number
Wendy aint some arch hireling

32

Officer Crabtree.,

"Are we a loon? I wish to tick with you." 02/12/2007 01:56:56

Mr Gordons rapid climb up the property owning ladder on Clydeside over the past few years become clearer by the minute.
We are only seeing the tip of Labours corruption iceberg.
The lid is of the can, the worms are blinking in the cold light of truth.
There is years of work here for a good investigative journalist.

GOD SAVE ALEX SALMOND.

33

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 02:01:37

Richard#24,

They pulled the comments from that story early doors. Given the general tone of the board, I reckon they pulled it out of embarrassment.

The on-line Editor was on during the week saying the Scotsman was basically a balanced paper. That particular story, blew that assertion right oot he watter! It was as contrived a story as you're ever likely to see.

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AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 02:06:05

Ayrshire#30,

"If charged"

It's really too good to be true isn't it? The opinion polls are gonna be interesting and the SNP's lead over Labour will increase by three seats in the near future!

It's a good day to be a real Scot! :-)

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02/12/2007 02:13:44
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Auckland Arab2,

02/12/2007 02:14:08

Another labour sleaze story another thread where AN2 is posted missing! Funny that, given he must be about the number contributor to the Hootsmon threads. Even funnier, he's not missed!!

37

Nick D,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 02:15:09

These revelations only back up what a lot of people believed about Scottish Labour, corrupt & rotten to the core. The only surprising thing is just how quickly the party is unravelling. I wouldn't be at all surprised if more skeletons come out the closet.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 02:17:41

35 AJ

I honestly can't get my head around it. Just after criminal investigations for concealed donations in cash for honours, they are at it a few weeks later? ANd it seems, if you read the Herald, they actually pondered faking the identity of a donor (the one they were going to say was an ex Labour MP) - the total arrogance and corruption of them is beyond belief. And Wendy got up in parliament and tried to criticise others? They really are sleazey and vile.

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somerferg,

oz 02/12/2007 02:19:59

Poor old scotleag - the phrase farting against thunder comes to mind when reading your comment. Sorry but when it comes to sleazy, underhand dealing NOBODY comes close to the NUmpty Labour party- that has been proven by the last week or so.

40

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 02:26:58

40, well the last week, and Ecclestone, the Hindujas, the Dome, Mandelson, Robinson, Mittal, dodgey dossiers, cash for honours, Renfrewshire council, East Ayrshire council etc etc etc.

Sleazy and rotten to the core.

41

sceptic,

02/12/2007 02:36:46

Clearly, by her own admission, Wendy lied in an attempt to cover up her acceptance of an illegal payment. By any normal criterion her position is untenable, but manure and blanket come to mind.

42

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 02:37:01

Ayrshire#39,

I think it's a case of "old habits die hard"! They've been used to a bountiful but corrupt system for years, however, they're now being found out. Happily, this must be partly due to the transparency that the internet and electronic systems now provide!

Hopefully, these latest revelations will spell the end for the Labour Party in Scotland. We can only but hope!

43

Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 02:38:42

31 Ayrshire Scot

I was being sarcastic "in good faith", me old son. I've made it very clear over a number of posts what I think of the high heid yin in the Labour Party....in the best possible taste, of course.

44

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 02:40:08

Ayrshire,

Do you think Methalions would object to us using his blog as a chill out zone for us Nats, after a hard days haranging? Afterall, it's got a plunge pool!

45

Nick D,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 02:40:21

Really, how Jackie Baillie had the brass neck to try and attack the SNP at FMQs beggars belief.

46

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 02:49:30

45 AJ

nay, sure Meths wouldn't mind, hehehe

Lovely plunge pool, and plenty of booze

47

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 02:50:47

45 AJ

or we could use AM2's. Sure he wouldn't mind. His would be a bit more wee Free in its decor I imagine.

48

TheTruth,

Montana USA 02/12/2007 02:53:09

Just another example of a Labour Party in Scotland, taking the public for granted.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 02:56:04

50 Bowler hat? :-)

He is OK. He is never rude or nasty. unlike some of the "special" ones on here.

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02/12/2007 02:56:42
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02/12/2007 02:59:13
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 03:00:25

53 Bitter orange?

I got it. But AM2 isn't religious or bigotted. He is just a die-hard unionist. Respect to him, he argues his corner and ignores all the abuse

54

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 03:03:51

Ayrshire,

He's certainly a determind laddie, but maybe his roots have shaped him. It's only a theory!

It should be our collective goal to convert him! Mind you, with all his statistics and databases, he'd bore the tits aff a coo! :-)

55

 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 03:06:09

55 AJ

Nah, he has said there are no circumstances at all under which he would back independence - he is a fanatic in that sense.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 03:06:45

55 Mind you, if we are converting him maybe we should be nicer to him? :-)

57

AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 03:07:07

Anyway, it's way too late!

G'nite and it's a very g'nite to be really Scottish!:)

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AJ of Fife,

02/12/2007 03:09:31

Ayrshire,

If he's got a brain in his heid, he'll come round.....eventually!!

I'm always reasonably nice to him....sort of! :)

G'nite pal

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baffies away,

02/12/2007 03:12:01

its funny, the Alexander brothers may just be responsible for putting their beloved party into the wilderness for a generation. Where will all the backhanders and dodgy planning permission approvals go.....imagine all that money that will be available for investment instead of going to funding a shady political group.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 02/12/2007 03:12:48

#46 Jackie Ballie is entitled to attack the SNP at FMQs Really.Are we not allowed to say anything against the SNP Government

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Stockbridge,

02/12/2007 03:25:02

Sleaze x 10 ^ 999

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maybrt,

Glasgow 02/12/2007 03:39:16

Come back Tommy eh Tony eh Henry... All is forgiven!!

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baffies away,

02/12/2007 03:47:06

The Scotsman must be really regretting backing labour all the way now. Look at the story you missed out on by continuing to back labour and not asking questions. If you hadn't put yourselves in bed with Labour you may have been able to have an objective viewpoint and question these things.

But hey.... I bet your editor is happy with his big fat cheque regardless of circulation and the journalists, well, they can always rely on invites to the labour party big yins dinner parties where they get such great, unbiased information!

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 02/12/2007 04:00:12

#65 Is George Kerevan happy with his big fat cheque from the anti SNP paper

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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 02/12/2007 04:04:18

Thing is these are Labours own laws passed in the last 10 years by some of the very people who have chosen to ignore them.

Mr Bean in Number 10 now promises us a complete review and an enquiry or 3.

What good will any of that do ? its exactly what Labour did last time and then blatantly ignored.

Apologies , and delaying with enquiries is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I'm not new labour, but I feel sorry for voters campaign workers and even donors who seem to have been scammed by these affairs.

We have a right to expect better from our elected officials from any party. They work for us not the other way round.

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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

02/12/2007 04:19:24

I still think sleazy Wendy is sexy and becomes more so when the corruption charges deepen.

I can imagine her in a devils dress, holding a legislative scroll in her hand, a regal king size in her mouth spread eagle on a king size bed clarted in 20 quid notes.

They are more corrupt than the tories.

I wouldn't be surprised if they all have tattoos of Chairman Mao somewhere on their person.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 02/12/2007 04:58:09

# What is a devils dress please explain?

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 02/12/2007 04:59:44

#68

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 02/12/2007 05:08:48

Not having met a devil dressed or otherwise It would be interesting to know how to conduct myself if this ever arose

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Ferryhill loon,

Aberdeen 02/12/2007 05:25:13

I look forward to the Police being brought in to investigate,by their own admission they broke the law,why are we waiting?

Every day turns a new page on Labour lies and corruption,and if,according to the Herald,M Lockhead is a donor i for one will never let a First Bus out in front of me again.

Labour ran the Aberdeen council when the buses were bought by the "staff"hmmmmm,where did Firstbus start from?

Methinks things are going to explode soon.

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redcliffe62,

Brisbane on Hols 02/12/2007 06:01:20

Whilst the Herald is a competitor, if their comments regarding the Nov 5th list coming from her home are correct, and libel beckons if they are wrong so very unlikely at this stage, then she was already questioning whether a donation was permissible, (and being over 200 pounds the answer was no anyway.)
It does mean that significant deceit has been carried out by Wendy Alexander in Parliament. The cross reference of the list in the Herald's possession and the donors names will confirm its authenticity to Strathclyde Police. Not that they will show much initiative until they are dragged kicking and screaming, as information flow is a two way street.
Therefore there is a need for this story to be verified by the Scotsman, to swallow their pride they were gazumped or if they did know about it that their editoprial/commercial decision to ignore it was in hindsight the wrong one. And to now cover it accordingly. Every other story in comparison in Scotland is incidental.
The only defence, the classic "wisnae' me", although weak, is the only option left after discussion with Duggie in the big smoke and to be explained as follows.
Wendy was too busy saving the country from the SNP and as Brian is unemployed he tried to help her out by updating records.
Brian Ascroft had the records on his computer and the comments were his not Wendy's.
He had not discussed them with her. Or anything else related to money except the price of Irn Bru at Tescos.
The information which confirms lots of people knew this ruse was sent by Brian and not herself to some people on her email list without her knowledge. So as sent by Brian and not Wendy, and as he supports the SNP anyway it must be their fault....!

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murren59,

Paisley Abbey 02/12/2007 06:24:09

furr christ'seks calm doon aw you Nats...Bendy Wendy is doin' a brilyint job in'ra fight furr Independence.

WENDY MUST STAY!
WENDY MUST STAY!
WENDY MUST STAY!

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Stanley Unwin,

Scotsman Editorial Suite 02/12/2007 06:55:02

Typocrisy in artickle: Wendy "crack on" should read "on crack".

Apopollylogys

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whitegold,

Shire 02/12/2007 07:14:42

>>>However, the Sunday Herald has evidence in its possession that seriously challenges McCabe's claim that only Gordon knew of the tax exile's personal, and illegal, contribution.

Three of McCabe's comments give an appropriate context to the conspiracy to cover up Green's donation.

Asked at the press conference when Alexander first knew the donation had been made from Green, rather than CPS, he said: "Wendy always understood that money came from the company. When Mr Gordon explained to us the assumptions he had made at one o'clock today it was clear to us that a donation was not appropriate."

Asked on the BBC's Newsnight later about Green, McCabe said: "I couldn't have told you where he lived."

Asked by the Sunday Herald on November 17 whether Alexander had received a donation from a tax exile, he said: "That's the first I've heard of that."

However, the Sunday Herald has obtained a printed copy of Alexander's full list of secret donors, which names each contributor, how much was given, as well as the campaign member from whom it was solicited.

According to the "properties" tab in the Microsoft Word document, "Brian Ashcroft", Alexander's husband, is named as the "author". This means the document was created on a computer registered in his name.

The secret list, which has never been published before, states under the "donor" heading that Paul Green had made a donation of £950. No mention of CPS. The column marked "Name/ address for Elect Comm purpose" contained Green's Jersey address.

Crucially, the list also drew attention to the donation's illegality by stating at the end: "Permissible?" According to the word file on which it was saved, the document's date is November 5.<<<

So Labour have been continually lying. They obviously thought a couple of resignations and lying through their teeth would weathe

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Stanley Unwin,

Scotsman Editorial Suite 02/12/2007 07:15:52

#62 here is alist of the great and the good who are members

http://www.firstfoot.com/scotchmyth/ssoemembers.htm

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Bridged,

and tunnelled 02/12/2007 07:25:53

I had never heard of this guy Paul Green before, but if it's true that he gave the city of Glasgow a million for social development, that in itself would make him a candidate for an honour.

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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 02/12/2007 07:34:04

"You scratch our back, we'll scratch yours".

Labour are finished.

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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 02/12/2007 07:48:09

Just looking from the OUTSIDE IN, LABOUR ARE IN DIRE STRAITS! !!!!!!!!!

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Red Tower,

Dunoon 02/12/2007 07:52:51

Labour took us into an illegal war and is now found to be as bent as a £3 note.

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Anne,

02/12/2007 08:13:10

Is Cathcart turning into the Bermuda Triangle seat for Labour MSPs?
Are we about to see a second one in succession disappear into Saughton?

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SEUMAS,

Tain 02/12/2007 08:27:03

goodbye Wendy, but wait, the judicial departments in london will be sending furious messages to their counterparts in Scotland to hold fire to find some device to save the embattled lady

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 08:38:09

#75 Rules

No way should party funding come from the public purse. Does the tax payer fund the Auchenshoogle Pigeon Fanciers or the Crieff Ladies Knitters Association? Political parties are just clubs. If their members are either too stupid or too dishonest to follow the rules regarding their funding why the hell should we support them? And if they are so stupid or corrupt why the hell do they expect to be allowed to run the country?

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 08:44:16

It would be an indication of some remaining vestige of integrity if she resigned -if she stays on she sullies the the general office of elected persons who carry personal accountability along with the perks.Gordon should not remain as an MSP.

86

Boy Wonder,

02/12/2007 08:56:27

Hands up anyone who thinks Labour have even a shred of a chance of survivg these scandals well enough to stay in power ... whenever an election comes up?

Excluding Hootsmon hacks and AMSquare, obviously!

87

idee fixe,

F.F.A.F.FootballingFansAgainstFraud !! 02/12/2007 09:17:38

And these people have the cheek to criticise the public for not using ther vote.

We do society better justice by chucking our voting card in the Clyde whilst these people remain in office.

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Stanley Unwin,

The Scotsman's Editorial Suite 02/12/2007 09:18:37

Oh, ma honey, oh, ma honey,
Better hurry and let's meander
Ain't you goin', ain't you goin',
To the leader woman,
Ragged meter she-man?
Oh, ma honey, oh, ma honey,
Let me take you to Alexander's
Grand stand, brass-necked band,
Ain't you comin' along?
Oh, ma honey, oh, ma honey
There's a 'fiddle with notes' that screeches,
Like a chicken, like a chicken
And the London cabinet
Is a colored pet,
Come and listen, come and listen,
To a party band full of legal breaches,
Come now, somehow,
Better hurry along.

Refrain:
Come on and hear,
Alexander's Ragtag Band,
Come on and hear,
It's the best ex-band in the land!
They can lie and cheat and stall
Like you never seen before,
So natural that you want to go to war
That's just the bestest band what am,
Honey Lamb!

Come on along,
Let me take you by the hand
Up to the woman,
Who's the leader of the band,
And if you want to see New Labour
going way down upon the Swanee River
Come on and hear,
Alexander's Ragtag Band

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yockel,

On the Edge 02/12/2007 09:19:08

Time to throw the baby and the bathwater out, she probably peed in it anyway.

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 09:21:21

Strange how quiet ALL the other Scottish parties have been during this Labour crisis?

I suspect it is a case of: there go I but for the grace
of God!

However, the only eventual winners will be the Nationalists. Insufferable Alex must think he is the
"Special One"!

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langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 09:22:18

#95 Hope springs eternal in your case.

Hand up here.

Its happened before and been sorted by all parties.

Try and be a bit more creative rather than your intermanable bench mark of Knock- Knock-Knocking,

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Guga II,

Rockall 02/12/2007 09:35:58

Blatant lies, sleaze and corruption. That is the New Labour Numpty Party. They should have stuck to the brown envelopes as they've had so much success with them over the years.

How can this mob of charlatans even begin to expect the Scottish people to think that they are fit to govern our country?

The time has come for all political donations of over £50 to be accounted for, and to include the name of the donor. As for any suggestion that the public should fund these lying crooks, that is a joke. Why should the taxpayer provide funds for criminals?

The Mouth of the South should do the honorable thing and resign, as should anyone else involved in this corruption. If she does not have enough honour to resign, how can she expect the people to think she has enough honour to govern this country?

The Hootsmon are bound to be really squirming by now, as must their poor little employee AM Squared. Maybe they can arrange for AM Squared to do a cut and paste job on every bit of sleaze and corruption the New Labour Numpty Party has been involved in; after all he has direct access to their database.

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langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 09:38:32

# 99 Mr.Lachie Todd.

Alex Salmond shows a vindictive and bitter gene sufacing with his disgracefull comment regarding the Tony Blair family christmas cards over a ten year period.

Quote-"Its not very Christ-massy.Its a lot better than havingthe like, Tony Blair and his revolting family".

VIndictive beyond understanding

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Stanley Unwin,

The Scotsman's Editorial Suite 02/12/2007 09:44:55

#102 If he indeedy diddy say this its clearly wrong.
His commentary should have had been outer-limited to Toby Blairistan and the Windy El-Sikander stunt double, Cherry Woof!

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Queen D,

Glasgow 02/12/2007 09:51:29

Langtonian,he expressed a view on that type of Christmas card.I believe the Queen is the only other to send such a card as an official greeting!
Anyway this thread is about people in high places LYING to save their skins and not very successfully at that!
Somebody reprint the contact e-mail for the Standards committee please!

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Stanley Unwin,

The Scotsman's Editorial Suite 02/12/2007 09:57:58

#104 Perhaps Langtonian's gripe should be with the Scotsman who closed commentary on that topic.

I sense however he means to deflect the debate away from the topic which is 'Alexander tycoon up for honour' your-honour.

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Pomodora,

Gravesend, Kent 02/12/2007 09:58:11

What a silly archaic country is ours where people still consider gongs, garters and titles to be important. We hold a "royal" dysfunctional family in reverence when we should be following the lead of Australia and booting them out.

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Mikey,

02/12/2007 10:02:05

Langtonian, what do you think of the story? Should she go? Who will benefit from the Unionist lies?

100

BillyB,

02/12/2007 10:03:34

Lolrd Foulkes for leader - a man with impecable credentials

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langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 10:04:33

Those scurrilious commentator's above (-they are in the main the simpleminded haters who are regular in their mealy mouthed,myopic, offerings)who state that comment on the Alex Salmond has been withdrawn from SOS comment.

There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see, applies.

To the" mealy mouths" -try to days SOS page two bottom right hand canticle by Nicholas Christian.

A compass and more power full spectacles could be supplied for these poor benighted souls.

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blair,

East Lothian 02/12/2007 10:05:33

I once heard a retired French Civil Servant, answering a question on TV say, "But no government ever tells the truth about anything unless it suits them". Politicians are the Government.

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I'm no really here,

02/12/2007 10:05:33

She has got to resign now.

104

I'm no really here,

02/12/2007 10:08:23

HA, HA, HA The Scotsman's Poll. Was it just too much for them to ask the question whether she should resign NOW. There will me many a Scotsman journalist scrambling to crawl out of her backside now.

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John S,

02/12/2007 10:19:31

Blair's legacy? The fears of other MPs over how the party was financing itself appeared to be confirmed by Justice Secretary Jack Straw, who said the practice of using third-party donations had begun four years ago. Straw told the BBC it was "a matter of history" that their use started under Blair's reign. If the finger-pointing was intended to divert attention away from Gordon Brown, it only partially succeeded.
Sunday Herald - Dec 02, 2007

Note: Mr Abrahams through intermediaries gave to the Labour Party.
From 31 January 2003 to 24 May 2006 a total of £351,975 this is when
Tony Blair was PM and his chief fundraiser was Lord Levy.
From 28 June 2007 to 10 July 2007 a total of £312,000 while G Brown is PM and his chief fundraiser is Jon Mendelsohn.

Did Tony know of the £351,975 and did Gordon know of the £312,000 ?

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OAP,

Isle of Bute 02/12/2007 10:20:30

Wendy - youve done yer bit. Pack it in and look after the twins. Then you dont have to tell fibs anymore. Leave the lying and dodging to real politicians.

Peace and get Trident the f**k out of Scotland.

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Albina,

Harrogate 02/12/2007 10:24:28

Chucking the voting card in the Clyde will only help the sleaze bags win, so don't do it, a card chucked is a vote won for them.

It's the people who didn't vote who got Labour in!

Albina

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juan kerr and his magic hand......,

Take them down to the cells ...Not those Wendy... 02/12/2007 10:27:36

Mornin all.

"1 million" too Glasgow is generous ,but what was the money spent on and was their any "strings" attached. Or was the money used for or by the local or national labour party?

Gordon Brown obviously cares more about spin than the long term effect of her clinging on. If he wants too keep a presence in Scotland then She must go. People hate clingers.

I was watching the politics thingy on tv this morning. Hazel Blears....She is like a wittering old granny, I dont think a straight or relevant answer came out of her mouth. And that perma smile, reminds me of a Stepford Wife. Why is the labour party full of these people! Political automatons.

rant over. AHHHHHHH THATS BETTER!

It's like your first cr@p of the morning......... :-)

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wellwood,

ayr 02/12/2007 10:28:31

Big Gordy says you musn't resign over your Dirty,Rotten,Corrupt behaviour.
I agree with him, take some advice!
Fall back to a more favourable position.
I'm quite sure you could swing a seat in the Lords!
Look at Lord(Blaw Jaws) Foulkes, No doubt you could squeeze in beside him, the expenses trough is bottomless.

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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 10:28:45

BIG problem for the Scottish Labour Party now is that they are no longer synonymous with the Scottish Executive/Government - they're on their own with no access to the Government Smoke'n Mirrors Machine to field the press feeding-frenzy. Their 'in-house spinners'; Whitton, McCabe, Gordon, Wendy et al, are being exposed for the incompetent, blustering stairheid bullies they really are. Interesting side issue of 'questionable' development decisions in Glasgow - wonder how long before the trail of Broon Envelopes starts to lead east along the M8?

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UserNameTaken,

Hiding behind the settee 02/12/2007 10:34:12

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2075505239_021ef763f5...

Well, whoever wrote it, they can't spell privileged.

The spell-checker needs taken out of office too!

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Steve,

02/12/2007 10:38:33

WENDY WENDY WENDY-OUT OUT OUT!!!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

Take them down to the cells ...Not those Wendy... 02/12/2007 10:39:13

#123 - The Brown envelopes are all over Edinburgh. just look at the report highlighting how close Edinburgh's then Labour city council were in bed with the developers.

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Black Five,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 10:48:14

Goodbye Wendy Goodbye.
She`s up to her kneck in the brownstuff and she`ll have to go.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

Take them down to the cells ...Not those Wendy... 02/12/2007 10:52:38

She cannot cling on, folk won't take it. If Gordon Brown wants to keep even a slight presence here then she'll have to go.

Has anyone noticed how this paper is light on political coverage? Do you think the Hoots is intentionaly calling the dogs off?

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Col. Blimp IV*,

02/12/2007 10:53:16

#118. John S

It is alarming that the "Cash for Honours" investigation failed to spot this or for that matter stumble across Green and no doubt a dozen or more others, playing a similar game.

If this is not just the tip of the iceberg, why don't they open up their books and show us?

What else are they hiding?

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

Take them down to the cells ...Not those Wendy... 02/12/2007 10:55:46

"Sources close to Alexander insist she is determined to "crack on""

i.e. Burry head in sand and ignore everyone.

Just , SHOUT LOUDER!!!!!!

GO WENDY GO!!!!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

Take them down to the cells ...Not those Wendy... 02/12/2007 10:57:59

just popped over to the Herald and it's wall to wall coverage over their. Obviously not one off labours tamer Editors.

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02/12/2007 11:10:00
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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:15:18

moderated again really. Gawd sake.
The racist scotsman moderated me for speaking gaelic

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:17:22

126
WENDY WENDY WENDY
-OUT OUT OUT

BROON BROON BROON
-OUT OUT OUT

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Sid & Doris Bonkers,

In the REAL world!!! 02/12/2007 11:20:35

we are not surprised by any of these allegations they are in it purely for their own means,just look at the New Tory /Labour Party socialists ?!!, Jim Devine Livingston MP expenses of £163000+can`t be bothered to answer emails sent to him.

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McMillar,

High St 02/12/2007 11:20:51

Wendy has been in the job 5 minutes. What is the point in her leaving office? We need a strong opposition party to ensure healthy debate and this is just a minor side issue. If she goes it will just be same for next person and on and on and on...It's no wonder we struggle to attract any decent candidates in this country as everyone loves to knock them down asap. She could come out of this looking like a star if she fixes the root cause and moves them forward. Never give up, that's the attitude to have. Of course that makes her a traget but also a much better role model. (only type of model she's ever likely to be mind you!) We all know she has left office in the past and that may be what's driving a lot of the extreme comments here. People think a little push and bye bye...I hope not as would like to see her develop the role after McNumpty.

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langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 11:23:13

#115
Dear Mr. Chips you are wrong.

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Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 11:26:55

Does tha wimmin ever shut her gob, every photie ah'v ever seen o her it's staunin ther glaekit an wide open.
Hus she goat a proablem wi her mandibles or wht?

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:30:56

WEndy was meant to be doing a whole answering email questions thing today on SOS i guess she was too feart to do it.

130

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gkc,

ALLOA 02/12/2007 11:32:14

this may be beyond me but why does she need donations for her leadership contest whe no one contested the seat, could it be that this was just a

" gies some money, ah need it and it can go in ma back pooch "

" if ah get it ye'll get a knight hood "

Why did she need the money and how much more was raised for a one horse ( poor WA teeth ) race.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:33:08

WEndy was meant to be doing a whole answering email questions thing today on SOS i guess she was too feart to do it. However i have sorted out why wendy is in this mess
she forgot this?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1255/1196011710_92108a51c9...

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 11:40:50

144 so she was , its now the assistant editor! Well spotted KArin m!

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:42:14

145 tha gle math tapadh leibh thu fhein.

anyway i will probably get moderated for that again. Just because they cant read the gaidhlig

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 11:42:40

148
Did she say

"can oe gie me a wee sub??

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:43:55

151 fearty wendy taking lessons from herr brown obviously.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 11:54:35
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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 12:02:14

158
A cracker !!!

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The true Seeker of the Truth,

at home, waiting to read AM2's posts... 02/12/2007 12:06:54

This rag is, and forever will be, associated closely with this corrupt labour party. Never mind a one day boycott; boycott this rag permenantly. (This is my first post for weeks, and will be my last)

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Ronnie W,

02/12/2007 12:14:09

134, 135 Juan Kerr

I read your post, which is from a Sunday Herald article, last night, and commented on it there. Maybe the comment should be repeated since you have repeated part of the article. I said:

"Defenders of Alexander will no doubt say that the sums involved were trivial and that the laws broken were not serious ones. That the nature of the offences does not warrant the ultimate penalty of resignation. I have some sympathy with this view myself"

Then shame on you, Ian! Shame on you! The arrogance of this woman is so typical of so many in this party which is reputed to once have cared for ordinary people (bit before my time), and the only way they have been able to get away with it for so long is because people like yourself, Ian,....people who might think of themselves as opinion formers.....have indeed helped form the opinion which allows these people to say by their actions, "I can do what I like. Nobody can touch me. I'm in the Labour Party".

So the sums involved were trivial? In their world, so they were. But that makes the whole thing so much worse. The fact that they were clearly willing to act in this stupid and illegal way for TRIVIAL sums begs the question...What were they willing to do for large sums? And the world of Mr. Green and Mr.Gordon is involved in very large sums of money indeed.

The final point is that the ultimate penelty in this case is NOT resignation. It is a jail term. And even the Daily Record yesterday ran a story that Alexander was in danger of facing a jail sentence. Now, when the Daily Record makes no attempt to excuse a labour leader you REALLY know that they are in trouble! I can only say that your halfhearted excuses for this woman are extremely disappointing. Anyone in her party who has a shred of integrety left certainly won't excuse her, or her Team.

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Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 12:20:02

161 Pehman

"Labour corruption is not sadly confined to Glasgow/ Lanarkshire.

Look at the record of Dundee labour party."

I'm not really up on Dundee Labour Party, but, correct me if I'm wrong, would I remember that when things began to unravel there many years ago a certain G. Galloway left Dundee and found a second home in Glasgow. A councillor at the time if I recall correctly.

144

FrankyB,

Time for Change 02/12/2007 12:21:53

Wendy -

ITS TIME FOR CHANGE

GO NOW YOU LIAR

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Tomact,

Leicester 02/12/2007 12:23:17

Come oan Wendy hen..............jist go and stop making a show of yersel, have some dignity.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 12:23:42

163 i agree with you. had she took one pound from 950 illegal donors would that have made her crime any less wrong. The fact she took 950 from 1 donor still means she broke the law. Wrong is wrong breaking the law is breaking the law whatever way you try to dress it up. Wendy alexander is a criminal as her co conspirators and they all deserve the jail (well community service at least)

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Publius,

Girvan for the weekend 02/12/2007 12:24:48

#161 Pehman. It isn't just the west of Scotland. Labour also dominates North East England - the land of Abrahams, Northern Rock and the missing CDs with 25 million names.

148

GrahamH,

02/12/2007 12:31:44

AM2 said he was Christmas shopping yesterday, maybe bought and ate too much humble pie to comment today as this unravels.

149

Officer Crabtree.,

Cafe Renee. 02/12/2007 12:36:53

Where is the Unionist rebuttal and fire fighting team, led by their chief master baiter AM2, surely a misfortune has not befallen them, surely they will come galloping along in a minute or two and entertain us with their side splitting propaganda and spin, the day will not be complete without them. Stop, come back, come back........

GOD SAVE ALEX SALMOND AND THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT.

LOVING IT. IT IS SO REFRESHING TO BE IN SCOTLAND NOW.

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The laird.,

leadhills. 02/12/2007 12:37:02

crooked bendy wendy,
and to think these blue labour scumbags especialy in westminster go around calling each other honorible this and honorable that when there isnt a inch of honorable in any of these control freak fakes, a total insult to all 4, nations resident on the brittish isles, lying scumbag parasites.

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cataibh,

left the peat bog 02/12/2007 12:38:38

The bookies are starting to take bets on the next leader of the Scottish labout party.

Iain Gray 20/1
George Foulkes 10/1
Andy Gray 4/1
Nicol Stephens Evens

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Officer Crabtree.,

Cafe Renee. 02/12/2007 12:39:29

164. Ronnie W, The Far Blue Yonder / 12:20pm 2 Dec 2007

Correct. There are still many un answered questions from that time about funds from Labour party social clubs in Dundee being misappropriated.

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 12:42:53

That they are without ethics comes as no suprise. What I am wondering is the legality of soliciting funds for a 'campaign' that was never waged.
She assumed the leadership unopposed as dictated by GB.
That is the real story. Not to mention that almost all of that money has been spent.
Can she be charged for obtaining money under false pretences?

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Officer Crabtree.,

Cafe Renee. 02/12/2007 12:46:57

173. cataibh, left the peat bog / 12:38pm 2 Dec 2007

Surely that should be Kerr not Gray.
Kerr the man who pops up like Zebedee shouting , "Alex Salmond eats babies, yes or no."
The man who promised us 600 consultants by the end of 2006, and then said when they never materialised, "this is not a numbers game," presided over the most corrupt and crooked mortgaging of our hospitals through PFI. And then had a fit of pique when his attempts to close down A&Es was reversed by Nicola Sturgeon.
In his own constituency, Hairmyers has become nothing more than a PFI cottage hospital because of his policies.
The man who rose without trace through the ranks of Labour, and is so dull and negative he washes in dish water.

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langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 12:50:52

#The implications of "funding" of parties current, is up for fair minded comment,is important.

Regrettably this has deflected the attention away from a subject matter that in a fortnights time will be top of the agenda,as would have been the case if the "funding" (storm in a tea cup of 14 day duration) had not been the expose of the kulture classes.

The SNP budget, the very foreseeable fall out by the very composition of that piece of legislation will cause far more problems for voting plebians than the stage managed furore that is todays "hot news"( in fourteen days it will be on a back burner and all but minuscule hiatory)

First Minister Alec Salmond (he of the" revolting "word) and John (two cards up my sleeve financial manipulator par excellence)Swinney will be most happy that the media spotlight has not yet fully intruded into the darker corners, where in the devil is in the detail

For instance ,how much are each of Scotland's 33 councils going to receive to fund the running of each council.

Bearing in mind there are already 3 major union pay claims well above the rate of inflation, on the table,for all councils to fund.Where will that money come from, when after all the likely trauma of strike action councils will by force of circumstance to cough up.

It could come from other parts of their budget not thought to be critical.

For instance the heat has already pushed councils in the South of Scotland and Fife to name but two, into reducing funding on various services, including care for the elderly.

Given the likely situation is immanent and further funding to keep councils heads above water will be required or chaos will reign. Will further funding be available for all 33 councils. In which case can we be assured that no gerrymandering of funding will be the case, in other words SNP councils will take their place in queue according to need not by SNP gerrymandering.

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Geoff,

Hot South Africa 02/12/2007 12:51:08

Wow-169 comments -all from Nats! My duty to fly the Unionist flag-the thin Red Line etc.. As I have said before,with friends like these on the Unionist side, the task of our formidable friend Alex is made really easy. I had my doubts about Wendy as leader in the first place but hers and Labours performance in general over the past months has been particularly dismal. I doubt if they can recover from this-certainly they need some radical surgery in Scotland and in the UK to have any chance of surviving the next election.
Bloody hot here today-over 30 deg C. Hows the weather back "home"?

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Shettlestonian,

Glasgow 02/12/2007 12:51:25

Yes. It's worth posting again in case you missed it at the last phase of the scandal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXTjzsyaog

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John Q McNab,

On the moors with ginger snaps for sustenance 02/12/2007 12:51:45

Oh michty me it's hard not to waken with a chuckle this wonderous morning. Even BBC Radio Scotland finally sa

As w the light this morning and have the WENDY story as their top headline, unlike yesterday's 'Beer Spillied on Motorway Chaos' lead story. my close friend Brick said last night, please don't let WENDY go now, her presence more or less guarantees Independence and heartache for the Unionist twunts, like Nikowankus.

Loving it, off out for lunch and a damp Sunday stroll.

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Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 12:54:25

173) Odds on Mohammed the Teddy Bear

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 12:54:43

Is there a possibility of an audit being called for accounting for the use the funds for the non existent campaign were put to?

Chinese takeaway, anyone?

161

Geoff,

Hot South Africa 02/12/2007 12:55:35

170 Officer Crabtree-not so fast fatso! Remember the old saying"Every dog has its day" Dont crow too soon-Labour dont have a monopoly on sleaze and deception! Politicians the world over left and right,black and white seem to have a high propensity for letting down their constituents.

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Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 12:55:44

180) 2 are mine an am non aligned. Whit side dae you hing oan loke?

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Gtj,

Dundee 02/12/2007 12:56:07

Can the Labour party ever be taken seriously again.

They have not only let themsevles down but all their supporters as well.

I believe that even the hare core Labour supporters will find it hard to vote for this criminal party again.

164

Geoff,

Hot South Africa 02/12/2007 12:58:18

182 John-not all Unionists are twunts-like not all Nats are Cats or phonetically,Cots!

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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 02/12/2007 12:59:12

Wendy Alexander leader of the Scottish Labour Party, that statement itself is totally misleading, there is no Labour left in Scotland, first the Tories under Thatcher systematically dismantled every union in the country then she set about destroying every industry in the UK the Steelworks, Coalmining, the Car and Ship yards until all we had left were Bl**dy call centres, then we had Blair who must by now have earned his seat at the right hand of the devil himself for ten years of corruption, lies, misapropriation of funds, cash for Honours and now this his wee wally dug broon barking orders to his lap poodle in the North. The labour party is a total disgrace to its founding members and the people who have shed blood tears and sweat in the mines and shipyards over the whole of the Country.

Disgrace Disgrace Disgrace

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:01:39

Ah well...the libellous post re S Connery has been removed.

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ochone, ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 02/12/2007 13:02:49

Hello again Warden An’ All, Reborn. I haven’t noticed you about again so far today, but I will post my reply, in the hopes that you see it later on. Again, with my thanks for your time, looks like we will just have to agree to disagree, but thanks anyway.

I agree with you that the powers that be saw it as essential that the McCrone report be suppressed, but my belief, which (while being biased), I still think correct, is that the report was suppressed by the Government for reasons that were not altruistic.

You may remember that the ‘claims’ from the SNP at this time were in the main those that were part of the party’s very successful, “It’s Scotland’s oil”, campaign, which if memory serves, was on the go even before the report, such was it’s success (the campaigns) that I believe this report was drawn up by McCrone in the hope that it might have shed light to the contrary, and the opposite was to prove true, I believe that the report indicates that if the SNP erred, it was in the area of underestimation of the potential for Scotland’s economy through revenue’s from oil production.

Other area’s though which McCrone does go into and which therefore leads me to suspect that the SNP were already in dispute with unionist party’s over are/were the validity of SNP claims that the oil was Scotland’s, which claim he tends to come down in support off and rate of extraction etc.

The main point I was trying to make here was that given the government (as we now know) did suppress this report, it indicates an attitude on their part which I believe must throw doubt on any statistics, reports or figures that they have produced since, particularly on this subject but also with regard to any others pertaining to Scotland which they might claim would indicate that independence for Scotland would fail.

Whilst any figures produced by the SNP, were at least put in the public domain to be argued or agreed with, the failure of HM Government to do the same

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ochone, ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 02/12/2007 13:04:09

Warden An’All reborn


Regarding, whether the general public would have thought the government were setting out to split the union, personally, whilst I have always believed that for England and Wales, The period of post-Independence for Scotland would lead to a time of readjustment, politically and economically, that they would eventually ‘come good’. Therefore apart from self interest, is till can’t see why they didn’t come clean, there is human nature of course, no one likes to be proved wrong. But I do believe the public; whatever they might have said about the government, would not have levelled that accusation against them.

With this part and also what you mentioned in the part about the government lying for the common good (my words), I believe we are firmly into the area of what might be called moral imperatives.

Is a lie ever justified etc, those of a moral persuasion (no insult intended) would say there are such things as sins of omission, and the reports suppression comes firmly into that category.

Having read the next part of your reply again, with regard to the treaty of union, I would agree that it is something that not enough is known about, I would say that moral imperative covers this too, in that, this to me demonstrates what was always the intention of those behind the wish for the union and maybe also one of the main reasons why it has always been such an uneasy ‘alliance’. It was never bedded in the truth or the wishes of majority of the people of either country.

I would also contend that the type of thinking that lay behind the treaty, was the same kind that lay not only in the suppression of this report but in other things we have witnessed since, such as dodgy referendums and weapons of mass destruction.

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just chat,

london 02/12/2007 13:05:52

who said trust a politician trust the devil, that i remember reading somewhere? now am getting older it seems to me the writter was spot on

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:10:03
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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:10:44

#190 - that was funny. I hope someone posts it on youtube

Brian taylor saying she must go , Ian Mc Whirter too , Police to be called in and requests for it to happen ASAP. Oh dearie, dearie me. wendy has come a severe cropper. You cannot stay on in parliament or be the leader of the opposition whilst admitting wrong doing of crime.

What chinese takeaways are open in glasgow during sunday afternoon?

Who's the mole? - I reckoon it's Margaret Curran, She's allways sat behind Wendy giving her daggers...

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 13:11:14

180 geoff you had your doubts about wendy well you were certainly in a minority there all we heard from labour supporters was how intelligent she was and the best leader for the party in scotland. If this is symptomatic of labours greatest intelligence then gawd help them. In fact scrub that even the big fella cannae help them noo.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:11:32

The libellous posts were Scotleag's. Both now gone.

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Shettlestonian,

Glasgow 02/12/2007 13:12:32

Matthew Parris on Labour's sleaze(full link below) :

A tale of spivvy incompetence: a big stage, and a cast of insects. Second-rate ministers flanking a third-rate Prime Minister waited upon by fourth-rate courtiers sending out the begging bowl to fifth-rate sleeve-tuggers who aren't even very rich. At Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, that “Mr Bean” gibe said it all.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matth...

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 13:12:40

191 Jay Kay-dont blame Thatcher for destroying British Industry. The old heavy industries in the UK and other First world economies were destroyed by the harsh realities of the world economy. If workers in Korea can produce great motor cars that are cheaper and better than for example the Yanks, thenrather than blaming our politicians, maybe we should look at the real reasons why why we cant do the same.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:15:10

my post at 197 is the one I put up first thing when I woke up. Glad the moderator has a sense of humour.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:15:35

200-ish?

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 13:20:02

198 karin m-indeed! Leaving aside our political differences it fascinates me how culpable Labour have been in their own demise-as though in Scotland and the UK as a whole they have taken a concious decision to self destruct! Wendy Alexander has to resign-even Gordon brown should consider his position. I know most of yous will disagree with me but I think he is a decent and largely sincere man, but he is not up to the job. Funny how despite the issues, it largely boils down to individuals.If Alex Salmond was a Unionist and head of the Labour Party in Scotland they would have trounced the Nats! Could you perhaps talk to him?

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02/12/2007 13:21:18
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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 13:23:30

back from The Herald site. Online poll calling for Wendy's resignation - 90.1% for 9.9% against.

Some of the donations for the non existent campaign were received in November. At the risk of becoming a drone, why aren't these issues being addressed?

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 13:24:34

201 Chairman Gordon-howyra doin? "The Loneliness of the Long Distance runner" keeps poppin into my head-cant think why!! Also that great painting of British redcoats tattered Flag flying,the little drummer boy in the middle surrounded by ten thousand Zulu warriors at Isandlwana!!

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Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 13:41:35

For those of you who have been worried in case AM2 had become lost in the Xmas shopping crowds, I have good news. He had resurfaced safe and well on an anti SNP thread. here is a short extract from that thread to give you a flavour of what AM2 thinks is the story most worth commenting on today -

"The revelation comes as the SNP comes under fire for widening the wealth gap as a result of its plans to freeze council tax and reduce business rates"

As I said to that :

Of course, the people of Scotland are today shocked and horrified at the prospect of having their councl tax frozen, and I understand that small businessmen believe that many businesses will never recover from having to pay less in business rates! 'Nuff said.

Never change, does he?

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Homo Sapiens,

02/12/2007 13:42:19

The Bald Faced Lies, the arrogance, and the lack of personal scruples mark the ascent of power hungry "persons" to the top of Labour, driven by blind ambition, "devil may care" attittude and manipulation. It is amazing to watch how these two hags, Harman and Bendy Wendy (calling her a hag is an insult to Hags) have committed crimes and breaches of the laws (that their own party instituted), both having distinguished legal careers (knowing full well that "ignorance of the law" is not an acceptable defence). More amazing is the fact that they have not tendered their resignations yet, letting others be the "fall guys" for their crimes, trying to protect Gordon Brown's untenable position.

Get the rascals out. Call New Elections, and stop the dismantling of Civil Right, Human Rights, and Democracy in Britain!

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SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:45:42

#223 - they are cold and manipulating, Harridan Harmans little policy group rant yesterday and Wendies sleazt doing are ufortunately the end of her. This paper may be sticking it's head in the sand but everyone else isn't

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:47:36

#220 red dawn. Rourkes drift was a diversionary battle for the british press. Up the road they were being slaughtered by a zulu king , who cannily worked out their riffles frooze after so many shots.

He used this to creep up and over run the British.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:49:40

#222 - Am2 a party Austritch.T

- The only thing shocking us AM2 is the gaul of wendy to try to cling on.

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Nikostratos,

02/12/2007 13:50:18

a

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:54:08

230. Nikostratos / 1:50pm 2 Dec 2007

"a"

e?

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:55:03

What is the relevance? Boer War? Eh?

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 13:56:44

" Wendy Alexander was liable, in law, for checking the validity of Paul Green's donation

Brian Taylor
Political editor"

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:57:17

The Scottish Sunday Mail

"Wendy Alexander is under more pressure after we reveal campaign fundraiser put businessman backer up for a gong.

THE aide who raised funds for Wendy Alexander's leadership campaign tried to secure an honour for the tax exile who made an illegal donation, the Sunday Mail can reveal.

MSP Charlie Gordon recommended Jersey-based property developer Paul Green "in recognition of his work for Glasgow".

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whitegold,

Shire 02/12/2007 13:57:34

Another potential scandal is opening up for Labour:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news....

Sounds fishy

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 13:59:02
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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 13:59:13

Stanley Unwin. Post 80.

Thanks but it is rather an out of date list of membership. I believe I may have a more up to date one.

... and it is very interesting to discover who some of the quite recent honory invites are.

Here's a clue, Britishness himself.
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SOS - What no story............. 02/12/2007 14:02:43
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Stephen101,

Michael Marr, where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?????? 02/12/2007 14:03:46

Where has Michael Marr gone? You know the laddie who was an 'aide' to wee Wendy on £60K a year.

I am sure he would know quite a bit about what when on with these donations.

I am surprised the Scotsman hasn't tracked him down to see what he has to say on it.

Or maybe he couldn't add anything that the Herald doesn't already know.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:04:47
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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:05:41
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 02/12/2007 14:08:08

The Labour party down south have £100,000s of donation illegalities.
Wendy managed hers for less than a grand. New Labour's new motto.
"Scotland. The best wee scandals in the world."

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

AM2 - Wot no story............. 02/12/2007 14:08:46

OH DEARIE ME NEW LABOUR

"Mahmoud Khayami, a French citizen, has given a total of £830,000 in the past eight months, making him Labour's biggest individual backer after Lord Sainsbury - daily mail"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news....

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AM2 - Wot no story............. 02/12/2007 14:10:37

#244 - LOL . Aye he has been cospicuos by his absence. I thought he was away thinking hard on trying to find a positive thing to say about her.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:11:39

Leave (Get Out) lyrics (Jojo)

"get out (leave) right now
it’s the end of you and me
it’s too late (now) and I can’t wait for you to be gone
cause I know about her (move)
and I wonder (why) how I bought all the lies
you said that you would treat me right
but you were just a waste of time (waste of time) "

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Stephen101,

Why do politicians need funding ??? 02/12/2007 14:14:12

Maybe I am stupid, but, why do politicians need to go asking for money? Ok they are standing for some 'promotion' but why should they ask ANYONE for money?

I know a teacher who is applying for a headship. Should we set up a 'fighting fund' to help her get the job. I know she will be the best one for the job but to ask parents and local businesses for donations (maximum of £950 please) is not something that would sit comfortably with her, her colleagues parents or any other supporter.

If a locum doctor is in the running for a permanent post at the local health centre, should they start their own fighting fund? Even if uncontested.

In other words anyone who is being paid out of the public purse who is going for a better job still within the same sector seems to have every bit as good a case as any politicians to go appealing for money.

Encourage people who can afford it to make donations that help particular causes, but to ask for money to help the individual? That is something very different.

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Nikostratos,

02/12/2007 14:17:09

#248 scraping the barrel

Khayami made his first donation - of £500,000 - just 24 hours after becoming legally allowed to do so, by having his name added to the Electoral Roll.

Commentators said that while he was thus technically qualified to make party donations,

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subrosa,

02/12/2007 14:19:27

It has just been reported on BBC News24 that Ms Alexander intends to tough it out and is giving a statement later. What is this country coming to that we have people who purposely break the law in public service? There should be laws banning this far less more and more legislation to cover the antics of party political funding.

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ochone, ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 02/12/2007 14:19:43

If Wendy were to go, wouldn't that mean another leadership compition?

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:19:49

Wendy. Please fill in the following......

http://www.lyingonthecovers.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/0...

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Just_Me,

moray 02/12/2007 14:22:30

Dont I remember the labour changing the rules regarding donations around about the year 2000. Although they would never publicly admit it, we all knew it was to stop the SNP's donations from a certain film star!

It seems these new rules have came back and bitten labour in the bum!

I dont think it matters now what wendy does, resignation is almost a public admission of labours guilt and not resigning leaves labour without credit as opposition at least in scotland!

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walter,

02/12/2007 14:23:05

Yesterday, campaign manager Tom McCabe insisted Alexander would not be backing out. He said: "Wendy is cracking on. People need to get the scent of blood out of their nostrils."

I have said it before and I will say it again, "Labour do not do resignation".

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wattie>x 1,

02/12/2007 14:24:07

As far back as 1910, one of Scotland's greatest radicals, the school teacher John Mac Lean an ardent advocate off Home Rule then, was warning our people , that the Labour Party - only recently having come into being - was useless; his own, exact descriptive words. He was forecasting then, that future trouble lay ahead unless ordinary people
joined the political struggle to set up a genuine free democracy to control their own Scottish culture and
destiny.
He became a hate figure for the Establishment as Scottish people in their thousands turned out to listen to him wherever he chose to hold a political rally. My late father, was a devoted supporter, although he was later conscripted to serve in the blood soaked battle-fields of France

McLean was continually being arrested and charged with sedition etc. He was seen as being a danger to the lying, corrupt ruling class who were then being geared up for the 1914 war with Germany. As he toured all over Scotland attracting huge audiences, he was urging working class youngsters too refuse to fight in the event of war being declared, and how right history later proved him too be.

The Labour Party then was riddled with middle-class opportunists and although they initially went along with the sentiments off our people against the war, finally succumbed to supporting a war that had almost every home in Scotland lamenting the deaths off fathers, sons, brothers and cousins at the end of 1918.

McLean; along with other well known Scots at the time, were locked up for refusing to fight and in many cases were brutally treated whilst in prison.

The last time John MacLean the school-teacher from Glasgow was locked up in Peterhead Prison, he died on release shortly after. To the present day, many historians claimed the state systematically treated him inhumanely as a political prisoner and were directly responsible for his death and his murder.
His funeral was one off the largest, ever to

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

AM2 - Wot no story............. 02/12/2007 14:25:52

#254 - never saw whole article.
I humbly appologise.

The main thing today is Alexander and Harridan should go. The labour parties donations of dodgy planning etc are now coming back to haunt them. Douglas Alexanders role in granting that. The tynside area Labour party is at , hence why they made our friends in the north. Abrahams's father was one of them.So was straws.

The chickens are coming home to roost. Cats out of bag.

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 14:26:09

Stanley Unwin Post 80.

It appears I have upset someone's erm sensitive sensibilities at the Hootsmon by mentioning high class bowler hats (post 62).

Hello "Aventinian" by the way. Now I wonder how long it will take this post to disappear.

Ah'm counting.
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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:27:25

256. subrosa / 2:19pm 2 Dec 2007

"It has just been reported on BBC News24 that Ms Alexander intends to tough it out and is giving a statement later. "

She's either one foxy lady, or a complete incompetent. If she went quickly and blamed "the heat of the moment" or "I thought Jersey was in Cardigan", Scottish Labour may just survive. By toughing it out she's liable to take the whole gang with her.

OK...let's say she toughs it out. Who's going to back her in the Labour Party? Anyone who does - when the proverbial hits the fan - can kiss his / her sorry ass goodbye.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 14:28:40

#256 - well said.

The absence of the police so far is highlighting that we do indeed operate in a 2 tier society. 1 rule for them and one for us.

The law has been broken and if it was any of us, we'd be in a nick answering questions.

TIME FOR THE POLICE TO ACT!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 14:29:46

To the old tune of publci enemies fight the power:

PHONE DA POLLEECE , PHU , PHU PHONE DA POLLEECE......

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UserNameTaken,

Hiding behind the settee 02/12/2007 14:33:21

Once again, Big Broon's going to invoke his special powers and get everything sorted . . .

http://tinyurl.com/2xpqpn

Just wait, it'll all be ticketty-boo awfy soon.

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UserNameTaken,

Hiding behind the settee 02/12/2007 14:34:47

To save you having to scroll down . . .

http://tinyurl.com/2f93cc

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 14:35:12

267. Chairman Gordon, UK / 2:31pm 2 Dec 2007

#260-
"Really stuck in a timewarp, aren't you?"

...and this from "Let's discuss the Boer War....."

;-)

Off for some sun. Catch you later.

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 14:35:35

Re Rorkes drift/Isandlwana-Isandlwana was the main action where a force of +- 1400 Brits,colonials and "loyal" natives were overwhelmed by a numerically vastly superior (14000 plus) Zulu army. Rorkes Drift was a seperate engagement shortly thereafter-DEFinitely NOT engineered by the press-a small number of British soldiers(not survivors of Isandlwana) held off a large force of Zulus-highest number of VC's awarded in a single engagement. Maybe my friend Colonel Blimp1V can find the famous Isandlwana painting-then yous will see the analogy! Spionkop was 1899-1901 Anglo-Boer War.

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 14:38:06

Chairman Gordon-to paraphrase Churchill-"Some Granite-some Rock"!! I do not for one minute,despite the hari-kari antics of Labour, think that the Union cause is lost. Think some of our Nat friends are crowing far far too soon!!

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Nikostratos,

02/12/2007 14:38:46

#261 Juan

"The chickens are coming home to roost. Cats out of bag."


Three years is a long time in chicken and cats ages and thats when the fat lady sings.


http://se008.k12.sd.us/Images/Money%20Bag%20with%20Dollar...

http://gallery.hd.org/_tn/std/money/UK-banknotes-1980s-gr...

Wendy is going to tough it out any takers

http://www.wban.com/images/111kuglertopphoto.jpg

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 14:40:57

The amount of times the Police have now visited Number 10. You would think Number 11 would start twitching the curtains and keeping a diary......

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 14:48:23

#281 - Phoning crimestoppers nightly and informing on "them" and their associates in Scotland. The London polis will think it's the Krays all over again.

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 14:52:52

Alma, post 278.

That link was brilliant.

Now bookmarked and on my favourites.

Ta very much.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 14:58:01

282 Juan

can Blair of the Met be trusted to investigate them thoroughly - his jacket is on a shoogly nail and it was the suport of Straw and Smith that saved him - he is indebted to them for keeping his job.

On the subject of Labour and police, a senior officer once said of Labour run Renfreweshire council "the police have been called in so often if it was a pub we would have closed it". Typical of the sleazy, corrupt rotten bunch that is new Labour.

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 15:00:06

Geoff, somewhere off shore, post 273.

Do you something the rest of us don't know?

Do tell us your little secret. We like little secrets being aired.
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Stephen101,

Who is the clipe? 02/12/2007 15:03:52

Who is the insider feeding the press? Somebody who has it in big time for wee Wendy and McCabe in particular.

Just wish Michael Mar was around to shed some light.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 15:06:18

I nitce my posts reffering to the unpartial stance of this paper too the whole affair have been removed.

So much for the Editors word on comment bords.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 15:11:07

286

Does it matter? The issue is not the leak, but the torrent of lies and sleaze.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 15:14:21

273 The union cause is not lost, yet - taht will be a decision taken by all the people. Just unfortunate that its principle advocates now look like a bunch of lying sleazoids which many be involved in criminality and cover up.
Why should we believe Labour when they lie about wars and lie about their own funding. If Wendy lies repeatedly about the state of her own finances, do we really trust her "calculations" for Scotland?

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 15:18:09

285 Wisnaeme-specifically Durban,KwaZulu-Natal,South africa. The point I was trying to make is that its not over till the...,pride comes before a...,dont count you chickens....,a little humility goes a long....,a week is a long time in politcs..., etc.etc..The individual woes of certain politicians and fluctuating fortunes of political parties shud make you more cautious in proclaiming a "done deal" on the Independence issue.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 15:18:55

The fact that this whole affair highlights the two tier approach the police have too politicians versus the rest of us.

Is their anything to stop us reporting a crime to them direclty? As action does seem a bit slow. Even dropping them an email.

Strathclyde Police Headquarters
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

Telephone: 0141 532 2000

Email:
contactus@strathclyde.pnn.police.uk

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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 15:20:08

290 Ayshire Scot-good assesment with which I agree entirely, much as it saddens me!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 15:20:26

If i was the press i would be round at wendies awaiting photos of police arriving...............

At least a crowd baying for resignation should form.....

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:26:31

Deck the halls with labours follies
La la la la la la la la la

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:28:24

Tis the season, but Wendys not jolly
la la la la la la la la la

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:29:34

Join we now ye merry makers
Fa la la la la la la la

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:31:46

Tar and feather labour fakers
Fa la la la la la la la la

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:32:42

*

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:34:22

Not to worry, I'll keep my day job..................

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 15:41:30

295 nice wee ditty, lol

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 15:43:56

Juan Kerr post 264.

Aye, laws for us and laws for them right enough.

One instance of that was when I was given a rendition flight under warrant and arrest after a dawn raid on my home.

My alleged crime; I owed £4.30 to unionist's and New Labour's Friends of Labour beezness pals apparently.

So if the sum of £4.30 was perceived to be of such a magnificent terrible crime against interested parties, New Labour, Unionists and beezness pals. The rather larger sums involved in these latest allegations of fiscal malpractice because of the rather more serious nature of it whilst in public office should be taken more seriously,should they not?

How would you prefer your bracelets Wendy and company? Gold plated or just standard polis issue for the use of.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 15:50:32

SOS might have saved Ms. Alexander from any further embarrassment by pulling today's Debate column in which readers ask her for answers to political questions under the title of: 'ON THE SPOT'!

One prophetic question is entitled: "Are you, or are you not, in the pocket of Gordon brown"?

Sounds very much like Ms. Alexander is being cross-examined?

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MtnKat,

02/12/2007 15:51:41

302 Ayrshire
Must have been the residual effect of a morning spent on the annual finger cramping Christmas card task. Listening to holiday music is part of that tradition.
I expect Boy Wonder is going to put me in the shade with his version.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:01:57

Wendy Alexander was due to appear today but has mysteriously dissapeared. It is now the jo of the Assistant Editor to receive our flames regarding this and the fact his papers non coverage of stories and pretending they didnt exist.

56 minutes and counting....

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 16:02:53

Geof, 291.

Ah'm working on that and have been doing so for many years both politically and on a practical bassis. Not the only one either, apparently.

By the way, How's Mayville looking these days?

Regards to the place,anyways.

Scotland is not the only place where independence and the aquisition of it was and is merely a dream, eh?

I have a dream.......
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Concerned local,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 16:04:49

Wee Wendy's hingin' oan:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7123534.stm

Oh, yes. How bad can it get for NuLaybur!!

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swbf,

Argyll 02/12/2007 16:06:27

It really couldnt get much better for the Nats, and can it really get much worse for the Labour party. Most of the other unionist parties are not making political advantage out of this as they hope to work closely with Labour in the furure to block as much of the SNPs plans as possible.

Although Im an SNP supporter, I do hope scotlands parliament will strengthen itself with a credible opposition after this debacle. I also believe that the four MSPs embrioled in this deception/corruption/stupidity or whatever its proved to be should be suspended pending an investigation.

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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 16:07:19

Resign Wendy, along with the other three. We'll have your seats aswell please.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:07:57

"Ms Alexander said she had a contribution to make to Scots" - from bbc link above

THE VANITY! THE ONLY THING SHE COULD EVER PLAY A PART IN IS IT'S DEMISE.

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livilion,

livingston 02/12/2007 16:17:39

260. wattie>x 1 / 2:24pm
1975 McCrone too?

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 16:20:22
260

Buchanan,

02/12/2007 16:21:30
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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 16:24:16

308 Wisnaeme-Mayville is fine but whats ur connection? The tennis stadium is still there and the Police Station across the road. You would find Cato Manor down the road is a very different place-reclaimed formally and informally by the "Natives"!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:27:24

Can the parliament raise a no confidence motion? And boot her, Brown and mc cabe out.

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 16:28:23

In a statement, Ms Alexander said: " I deeply regret the damage which recent publicity has brought to the Labour party".

So it was the publicity that caused the damage and not yourselves, Wendy?

Aye, set out as you mean to continue along the righteous Labour path with no deviations which would just be plain wrong, Eh?
.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 16:30:06

318 It could probably pass a censure motion.

I suggest you write to the parliamnetary standards commissioner to make a formal complaint about Aelxander, Gordon and Whitton. You must name the MSP you are complaining about and indicate why - I suggest a breach of section 7, general conduct as I can't see a section in the code of conduct relating to potential criminality.

http://www.spsc.co.uk/

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 16:31:08

320 What a weasel worded non apology along the lines of "I am sorry you have taken offence".
Complain to the standards commissioner:

http://www.spsc.co.uk/

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:31:09

284 - Ayrshire - I floated that very hypothesis about when the Dodgy donations broke down south. He is owe them a favour after all.

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David MacVicar,

web 02/12/2007 16:31:20

312. Juan Kerr and his magic hand
"Ms Alexander said she had a contribution to make to Scots"

What has she left to give, shge wants us to 'aspire' to:
Apologising to London
Voting against Scottish farmers compensation in the interestes of her London chums. Every single Scottish (sic) Labour MSP voted against it.

Her party was at the centre of the election fiasco.

Then incompetence and poorly researched questions in the SP.

This is all topped off with deceit, cover-up, law breaking, over cash for..... (you name it they have probably done it), questions, honours, coronations.

This is beyond 'right to rule'. Its right to be rotten to the core.
Who can Wendy be replaced with - they are all at it.

This part is Dead, it is an ex parity, it is not just sleeping. 'Nu'clear Labour have finallt hit the self destruct button. It will take a decade of change, cleansing and moral compass finding for any hope of recovery.

Goodbye Labour and Merry Christmas to Wendy Alexander, keep sending the begging letters!

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 16:33:16

323 Yes, best to complain to the standards commissioner as well, You must do so in writing, hard copy, signed

http://www.spsc.co.uk/

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 16:43:55

Geoff, 317.

I had connections with the Convent and School which would have not exactly been approved of nor would they have endeared me to the apparatchnics of another union regime, now deceased. Cry freedom,eh?
.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:46:35

#324 - She could, after this affair, go down in history as a grubbing politician of the worst order. She is fast becoming the Michael Forsyth of modern Scottish history. The only thankful thing is , and this is thanks to the parliament , She has not got any power.

Imagine if this happpened whilst she was holding office!

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John Q McNab,

On the moors with ginger snaps for sustenance 02/12/2007 16:57:42

Just back from a marvellous lunch and a ten minute wander in the rain, delighted to see that the WENDY has opted to tough it out. Now we will see the death of a thousand cuts from her own back team supporters rather than her pandering to an indignant blood sensing press and forcing her to press the reject button.


On a purely aesthetic level I have to say how much I love the uncredited photograph the Hootsman and the BBC used in the story below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7123534.stm

The muted colours, almost sepia like background and the for once immobile visage of La Wendy actually portrays what looks for all intents and purposes, genuine sorrow. Unlike say her apology to the Labour Party conference, which was showboating of the worst order. In this photograph, she (gulp) displays an inner beauty I've only ever seen in the likes of Weegee's shots of victims of crime, poverty and pain.

http://www.danball.com/images/weegee.jpg

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 16:58:57

#320 - peter - Go and setup a petition. You'll get plenty of folk signing it. They should resign their seats as MSP's

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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 17:01:35

McCabe, Gordon, Whitton and Alexander should be suspended, and the media should stop taking it for granted that they will keep their seats even if, like Gordon, they gave up their other positions.
The more people write to the spsc (#326) the better. What these guys don't get - as they are twisting their words, believing themselves to be the 'establishment' and therefore somehow necessarily above the law that they make on our behalf - is that we the citizens are the establishment and we can put a stop to this kind of thing if we avail ourselves of the channels available. If other people break the law, whether 'intentionally' or otherwise then they face the consequences.
If these guys keep their seats now it will be a shame on the whole parliament and the public will think that all of the politicians are in collusion together.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:02:33
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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:03:30
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Geoff,

Hot south Africa 02/12/2007 17:03:48

332 Wisnaeme-dont want to stray from the subject but wont ask for details of your Convent experience!Much good came after 1994 but sadly 'the Dream' has in parts become a nightmare-rampant crime and creeping corruption-same old,same old with a different face. In a way relevant to this story. Wendy Alexander must resign if for no other reason than to preserve a mostly observed British/Scottish institution of doing the 'right thing'. Here our probable next President is facing serious fraud charges and strong evidence suggests that he was also guilty of rape! Makes wee wendys crimes seem positively minor!

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:04:53
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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 17:10:56

Lothian and borders police are apparently involved now.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1...

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 17:11:52

338 Doonhmamer, yes their blind and slavish lemming-like loyalty to a slezya nd corrupt cabal is..... depressing?

SOS assistant editor says (on his blog on the other thread) "I think she's toast." That would make Langontonian and Chairman Gordon...marmite? Your either hate them or....

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Calum Crubag,

02/12/2007 17:13:34

Adios Wendy... mar sin leat....

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:15:55

There's a job opening,

http://tinyurl.com/yukqsc

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shivago8,

livingston 02/12/2007 17:19:19

OFFER A WOMAN MONEY AND IN RETURN YOU WILL GET ANYTHING YOU WANT.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:21:30

348

...except change back.

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John Q McNab,

On the moors with ginger snaps for sustenance 02/12/2007 17:28:27

#340 Jings Meths, the bathos this lassies face can conjur up would bring a wet tear to a glass een.

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Col. Blimp IV*,

02/12/2007 17:30:54

A requiem for Wendy's carreer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg

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Teamdroid,

02/12/2007 17:31:36

Ooo, back from the boycott and back into the pigswill of Labour party funding.

And the best the Scotsman can manage in retaliation is... Wee Eck slagged off Tony Blair's Christmas cards! And they have to print it twice (and not allow comments) to make it look like a worthwhile story!

Truly hilarious.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 17:40:36

354 there was commments they were pulled with no explanation.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 17:41:53

Does anyone know who you contact in the police to complain about this. is there an email address that you can contact?

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Wisnaeme,

02/12/2007 17:42:27

Geoff, 342.

Aye, and it saddens me. I still have grass-root contacts that I hear from occasional through third parties or friends of friends. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, eh.

All the same, power can't dislodge memories, nor can absolute power totally wipe out grievance. There will be a new lot along shortly, inspired and motovated by the realisation that the propaganda of that things are getter aren't and its only for the chosen favoured few that they have.
.

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 17:49:22

#4

"You couldn't make this up".

er......... actually, you could.

If you were a paranoid schizophrenic high on mind altering hallucinogenic pharmacueticals.

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 17:50:37

I think I want to vomit. I've just found a Hootsman article from 2002 (link at bottom). Here's the bit...

"But if it’s true that "politics is showbusiness for ugly people", then Wendy, a genuinely attractive 38-year-old with Snow White colouring and a deep-dimpled focus when talking one-to-one, is the parliamentary equivalent of a supermodel."

The Hootsman loved her then.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=327&id=355312002

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 17:51:42

Karin-m,


Courtesy of Jaun Kerr @ 292

Strathclyde Police Headquarters
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

Telephone: 0141 532 2000

Email:
contactus@strathclyde.pnn.police.uk

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 17:52:47

356 Karin

write to the parliamentary standards commissioner as well

http://www.spsc.co.uk/

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 17:56:41

357 wisnaeme

I disagree with what you say. I think now is the time for all scotland to work together to make this country a better place to live. I think by removing the corrupt we can also remove the corruption. If we all join together we can change things we can make this nation of ours better. We can have young and old,moslem, christian, bhuddist, jewish, european and non european alike working for and with each other to make things better for everyone. This doesnt have to involve being part of a political party or movement. All it involves is all of us deciding in what direction we want scotland to go. For most of this i imagine we want to soar. We want to make scotland the envy of the world. We want a society that is fair that treats all its citizens young and old alike regardless of where you were born or where you started from. The only criteria we should have for our citizens is a desire to better themselves ourselves and our nation. With a positive belief in ourselves and our people then we can acheive it while also showing kindness, consideration and thoughtfullness for all who live in our country.

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 17:56:47

I am going to e-mail them........... to file a missing persons report regarding AM2.

I'm genuinely concerned for his welfare.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 17:58:25

Have you noticed the correlation bewteen AM2's absence and the absence of English Voice? Weird coincidence I am sure, but both are absent on the same days...

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Richard Lionheart,

02/12/2007 18:02:02

Quite clearly it has not passed the notice of posters to this thread that Labour’s double standards are in operation here.

Kate Moss was charged with drug offences and put on trial because a picture of her “appearing” to consume drugs was printed in a magazine. She denied drug use.

Wendy Alexander on the other hand has admitted on national television that she broke the law!

The police admit that they have received a complaint.

Wendy Alexander has not had a visit from the police. Why NOT?

If this continues Scottish police forces and councils will be receiving millions of requests for refunds of fixed penalty charges where motorists broke the law inadvertently and ended up with hefty fines being imposed.

Remember that 10 mph over the limit, when the limit changed 5 times in 2 miles; or that parking ticket for overstaying a parking meter by 5 minutes because the check out at Virgin had run out of till roll? Inadvertent was it not?

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:02:23

and in the sunday herald we have eleven yes elevenen pages devoted to this and yet wendy still thinks she has something to offer scotland. Well wendy i have news for you. You might have something to offer but given the sleaze and corruption you have given us so far you will forgive us if we say.

NO THANKS.

YOUR CORRUPT RESIGN.

NOW.

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Davie from Irvine,

Ayrshire coast 02/12/2007 18:05:46

Ayrhire Scot, im disapointed in AM2, has really let me down by not being on criticizing the SNP for this.

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Kenya,

02/12/2007 18:07:44

karinm. ofcourse you can,but don't tell the guys who nearly obliterated glasgow airport.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:07:49

366 Richard

Wendy has issued a statement today saying she won't quit. Good. Damaged goods in charge of Labour both here and at London HQ.

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 18:08:26

AM2...???????.....

WHERE ARE YOU......????????.........

the silence is deafening....

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 18:12:16

369. Kenya / 6:07pm 2 Dec 2007

"karinm. ofcourse you can,but don't tell the guys who nearly obliterated glasgow airport."

What the?.........

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 18:13:22

371. A Scottish Voice. / 6:08pm 2 Dec 2007

AM2...???????.....

"WHERE ARE YOU......????????........."

Cancelling his Jersey holiday.

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Kenya,

02/12/2007 18:13:22

Good night all,oh and ayrshirescot,don't try and comment on something you know f--kall about.

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 18:13:39

#364 - LOL - He has been missing a while. I reckon he'll be under his bed chanting to himself "it's not true, it's not true........"

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Teamdroid,

02/12/2007 18:15:51

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but has anyone noticed how, in this month of bad news for Labour, the Scotsman website "Latest News" ticker is STILL stuck at 7th November?

And full of non-event trivia stories like "Singapore Airlines lovers brought down to earth". Bad enough when your political bias is so tawdrily obvious, Scotsman - but at least try to keep all bits of your website up to date too!

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jj,

02/12/2007 18:17:08

Why is Labour so worried about W Alexander going to jail? Many mafia figures were able to run their organisations successfully fom prison.

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John Q McNab,

On the moors with ginger snaps for sustenance 02/12/2007 18:17:32

I am surprised that Mr AM2 has not put in his customary appearence with appropriate jibe. Sometimes, it must take all his will power to defend the indefensible.

Och weel, so what was this keynote speech that La WENDY gave on Friday? I'm dashed if I can find any sign of it on the interwebularogramme.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:19:43

368 Dave

he has posted once on the non-story on the other thread. It is telling how badly damaged the leading advocates of the unions are by this torrent of sleaze and cover up that not eben their cheer-leader in chief has come on here today.

369 - Kenya, folloiwng your own prescription would, I fear, limit your postings to threads on shell suits and obesity. begone

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:22:36

How ironic Wendy's comments on question time last last weeek about not letting financial housekeeping matters get in the way now seem.....

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morris,

embra 02/12/2007 18:28:28

The legal requirement to ensure that any donation to Wendy's campaign fund and other contribution(s)is/are above board,is/are apparently her responsibility (and hers alone) and she has failed to do so,and is therefore guilty.We don't need an enquiry to establish this.The rules are crystal clear and unambiguous.
Her position is untenable. She must resign.The problem is that for exactly the same reasons ,half of Browns cabinet are increasingly under pressure if Wendy goes.You can hardly have a resignation matter at devolved level, but mysteriously its acceptable at Westminster level.Harriet Harman would automatically be out I suspect.many others also probably.

If this were any other party Labour would demand resignations.The same rules apply to them,whether they think they are above the law or not.

Wendy will be ridiculed if she stays, and will bring even more damage upon her party,or are they saying it does not matter,because Labour voters will support anything and anybody?
Irrespective of which answer you go for on that,they are unfit for government!

The fact that Wendy and Labour think they can create rules ,break them,and carry on regardless smacks of an arrogance which deserves the POLICE being called in .
You have broken the law Madam. YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE.
This brings Scotland and our system of government into the gutter.
We should demand action here.

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 18:29:48

Talking of shell suits.... watch this "must see" vid from the Glasgow Tourist Board....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08

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Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 18:33:45

For those of you who have been worried in case AM2 had become lost in the Xmas shopping crowds, I have good news. He had resurfaced safe and well on an anti SNP thread. here is a short extract from that thread to give you a flavour of what AM2 thinks is the story most worth commenting on today -

"The revelation comes as the SNP comes under fire for widening the wealth gap as a result of its plans to freeze council tax and reduce business rates"

As I said to that :

Of course, the people of Scotland are today shocked and horrified at the prospect of having their councl tax frozen, and I understand that small businessmen believe that many businesses will never recover from having to pay less in business rates! 'Nuff said.

Never changes, does he?

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C the L,

Coventry 02/12/2007 18:34:32

Evening all

With regret I inform you all that Conan went down fighting last night.

He was drunk and made personal remarks.

Apparently.

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 18:35:03

I offered myself to lead Labour in the Scottish Parliament in the autumn because I believed and continue to believe I have a contribution to make to improve the lives of my fellow Scots
Wendy Alexander
Scottish Labour leader

Wendys no for bending

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

02/12/2007 18:38:59

Alexander has to go - I cannot see how she can remain - especially in light of Guido's letter.

But for me that is not enough - there needs to be a serious root and branch reform of political funding. This time it is Labour who have been caught abusing the system - I have no doubt that they are not alone when it comes to being economical with the interpretation of electoral law.

There needs to be an indpendent Royal Commission on this issue to make sure that not only this does not happen again but to ensure that the financing of our political system is not built on a house of cards.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:39:09

388 awwright C the L?

not to worry, we can rebuild you.

Wini got him/ herself banned, I think, for pretending to be cloned and then attacking itself. Total weirdo.

C the L - meet me at plungie's for rebuilding technology

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:39:54

388 aye you werent the only one i got moderated for the gaelic.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:41:13

391 I think you will find remain she will becasue she is the one and only thing standing between gordon brown and him losing his job. If she goes he will have to go.

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 18:41:41

Chan eil Gaidhlig a dol a so

WEndy s conribution will be to consolidatan already solid SNP VOTE
Nickel(sorry Nicol) has been very quiet about all this -do they have a policy on this topic other than the guy with the funny name calling Gordon Mr Bean ????

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:42:18

I go away to Perth for the day and i come back only to find Wendy Alexander has not resigned..WHY?
This buffoon can not continue as leader of Scottish Labour. I reckon the beaks at number 10 are begging her to stay on as leader cos if she goes then it could (and i hope) will cause a ripple effect in labour and may land at broons smelly feet.

Lord Zebedee of la la land must be bouncing about like a kangaroo on steroids at the thought of his labour party going into meltdown..HA HA HA !!!!

More important, i can't find my usual log on, i feel naked.

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:43:11

#392...Hoos poos ....

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 18:43:12

I was also done in Gaelic...just waiting airson" row"

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BK,

Cyberspace 02/12/2007 18:43:16

You couldn't make it up if you tried. The SNP have to do nothing but sit back in comfort and watch the labour Party disintegrate into a level of sleaze and corruption never before known in this country. The question now is not whether they can hold onto their seats but whether they can stay out of jail - very unlikely for some of them.
Labour are finished, destroyed and it was all their own work.

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:44:34

400

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Celtic Lion,

Roar 02/12/2007 18:45:37

An excerpt from a conversation I had just a couple of hours ago with a Labour supporter:

Me: "So...what do you think of Wendygate? Pretty dodgy stuff eh?"

LS: "Well it's better than spending £125,000 on a slogan which says 'Welcome to Scotland'."

Me: "Even though Labour are undermining democracy? I can only assume you've been listening to the BBC. That cash is spent every year or whatever for a number of items such as new photographs, boarding, films and whatever else they need to spend it on. It wasn't spent on just a slogan - or a not-slogan - anything that is better than making us sound like we live in tartan houses and sell shortbread for a living has to be better."

LS: "Who said it was the BBC I heard it on?"

Me: "Surely it was."

LS: "It was, but it's better than listening to SNP propaganda about donations."

Me: "A bit of advice, don't listen to anything the BBC say about anything unless you're willing to do some research yourself."

LS: "So the BBC are liars now are they?"

Me: "I would go so far as to say they're extremely biased. They need broken up ... [my typical BBC rant nobody wants to hear!]. Besides, Labour are the party of spin or propaganda or whatever you want to call it, and the SNP have been remarkably quiet about this whole affair. They obviously realise they don't need to stir the soup any more than Labour are doing for themselves."

LS: "Well people always stick with the same party and I'll vote Labour again like I always have done."

I realised there was no point in explaining that the old Labour party is no longer exists except as the carcass of a sheep wrapped around a very dangerous wolf. I realised there was no point explaining that until May I have always been a Labour voter (yes, I still feel dirty). I realised there was no point in saying much else actually. I rea

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BK,

Cyberspace 02/12/2007 18:46:19

C'air son? Nach 'eil ainm an paipeair sin "An t-Albanach?"

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:46:26

#399 BK

nice one i like it...indeed how many can stay out of jail???

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Methspaña,

02/12/2007 18:47:56

Tsk tsk...imagine being moderated. Can you not control yourselves?

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:49:00

401 Dont worry about it eventually it will sink in when labour sticks it to them one more time.

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elite ernie,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 18:49:05

402 Tha fios agam : ach tha iad droll !!!

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:49:10

396 Hail hail and hoos poos

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Riley Hamish,

Edina 02/12/2007 18:49:15

#179 LANGTONIAN

Much as it might hurt you......could you stick to the subject at hand please.........but that wouldn't suit your personal agenda then, you moron !!

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Tweedmouth,

02/12/2007 18:49:35

PROPOSAL FOR A MARCH ON PARLIAMENT
Since the Labour establishment have shown what an utter parcel of rogues they are in refusing to resign I would like to suggest a MARCH FOR ACCOUNTABILITY
- with say 100,000 people converging on the Scottish Parliament to demand the resignation of Alexander, McCabe and the rest.

This should be cross-party, non-party-political and a genuine march of the entire electorate to demand that the political establishment - respects the law of this country and resigns or is sacked then they are seen to break it.

If SNP activists opt to make this a party loyalist issue they will dilute the effectiveness of a genuine citizens march. I think you would get a mass turnout for democracy. Anyone famous ready to lead such a march?

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:49:52

393 WHit? moderated for the gaelic? jeezo!

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:50:08

405 I was moderated for speaking gaelic which i consider to be racist. The paper is called the bleedin scotsman and i cant post in gaelic they even have a gaelic section on this paper and still i get moderated.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:51:19

411 well i didnt do anything else. that was the only comments of mine that were moderated last night and this morning no posting allowed. so yeah it must have been the gaelic.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:51:33

404 I sraging incompetence a reasonable excuse we wonder? That is the only card left in the Wendy deck.....

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:52:23

#401 Celtic Lion..

Good post...i agree, all the SNP have to do is sit and say nothing. Labour is dissolving from the inside out. The SNP can get on with running Scotland while labour can self destruct...Good conversation you had..

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 18:52:59

401 - Celtic Lion. LOL.

"I realised there was no point in explaining that the old Labour party is no longer exists except as the carcass of a sheep wrapped around a very dangerous wolf. " - Quote of the day

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:53:33

412 A total disgrace! Still, Wini seems to have been banned for pretending to be cloned and abusing itself. What a nutbar.

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 18:54:29

on the first day of christmas labour gave to meeeeee

A party in the sleaze.
on the second day of christmas labour gave to me.
two leaders refusing to resignnnn.


Wonder what we are getting for the third day.

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:55:13

#409
I would just ignore that one...naws wit urs meens??

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 18:56:16

385 Scottish Voice

great link, LMAO. Its actually quite catchy. Is that Ricky (Kimba's boyfriend) in the vid?

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:56:18

#419 karin m..

A wendy house..??

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 18:59:24

#385 scottish voice..

....lol...im gonna bump yer muw, yir getting it??hehehe..love the scar and the trakies

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 19:00:15

420 aye a dae naws whit ur meens

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Ronnie W,

The Far Blue Yonder 02/12/2007 19:02:13

So Alexander's Ragtime band is going to continue blasting out the same old tune, is it? And she thinks that she has something to contribute.........Funnily enough, so do I. In fact I'm certain that she has something to contribute.

Just as certain, in fact, as I am that neither her party nor the other unionists are going to be at all pleased about what that something is.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 19:02:26

419 Maybe we will get Baron Zebedee as new Labour leader. Or would that be all our Christmas's in one?

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Celtic Lion,

Roar 02/12/2007 19:02:40

#406 karin.m

"...labour sticks it to them one more time."

Good choice of words. It just irks me when people get away with taking away so much, I can only hope they bring back capital punishment for this lot.

#415 Ayrshire Scot

She'll stay until the storm has calmed and then resign. They've nobody to take her place yet anyway. I guarantee she'll not go until the new year, but the leaving card has been dealt.

#416 omar kader

Not a good conversation, I was in the car and wanted to scream like a girl!

#417 Juan Kerr and his magic hand

:)


An unreported casualty from donorgate today. Listening to Geoff Hoon on The Politics Show whilst tidying up the back of my neck (I shave my hair myself, too povo to spend a tenner to have somone run a #5 over it every week) and he said something so ridiculous I laughed so hard an unguarded shaver took a large chunk of my hair out. So I had to shave all my hair off and now I shall wear it as a sign of treachery! Now I shake my fist at the wolf in defiance!

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 19:03:54

oops i appear to have accidentally not paid for my shopping and i have also accidentally murdered my ex husband and for some reason forgot to bury him so just stuck him under the patio. however it was all an accidental oversight on my part and i didnt know who i was sticking a large knife into and i am sure the polis will be very understanding. Wont they?

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Celtic Lion,

Roar 02/12/2007 19:05:27

#429

Ooops it's okay so long as you're sorry and able to give a pathetic wet fish look.

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 19:08:10

#424 Karin m

Hehehe..thats it girl youve got it...!!

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Juan Kerr and his magic hand....,

POLICE PLEASE...........? 02/12/2007 19:08:41

#427 - The politics show was funny. David Cameron being asked about what's happening in Scotland. You could see his eyes mist over trying to remeber where it was.

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Um Bungo,

02/12/2007 19:09:09

Sir Sean Connery and the SNP are a disgrace. Bloody foreigners coming over here and meddling.

Alexander and Labour are just as bad.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 19:11:07

427 Lion

a number 5? I thought it only went up to #3 - here's me been over-shaved all this time. I blame Wendy

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 19:11:47

434 U used to be a mediocre fruit drink, didn't you? They drink it in the Comgo....

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 19:11:55

Wendy has been ordered to stay, for now, to keep the heat off Gordon Brown. Her reward will be forthcoming when all has died down.

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A Scottish Voice.,

02/12/2007 19:14:02

Nice job in Brussels.... or General Secretary of NATO.... Hahahahahahahah !!!!

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karin·m,

02/12/2007 19:15:06

Prison Escapees


wendy alexander escapes from prison with a blonde and a brunette. After running for quite some time, they came across a barn and decided to hide inside and get some rest. Inside, they found three burlap sacks, so they each hide in one.
When the police arrived at the barn, one of the officers noticed the three sacks and told his partner about them.

"Kick them to make sure the prisoners aren't hiding in them," his partner said.

The officer kicked the sack with the brunette in it and she yelled, "MEOW!" "There's just a cat in this one," he said.

Next he kicked the sack with the blonde in it and she yelled, "WOOF! WOOF!" "There's just a dog in this one," he remarked.

Finally, he kicked the sack with the wendy in it and she yelled, "POTATOES!"

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omar kader,,

With Celtic all the way to 3 in a row. 1. 2 . 3 02/12/2007 19:19:06

#427 Celtic lion..

Hehehe, you should have screamed and it might have given L S the hint to shut up!!!

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Celtic Lion,

Roar 02/12/2007 19:19:08

#433 Juan Kerr and his magic hand

It was Cameron saying that it's as if Brown has been caught with a smoking gun and saying it's time we introduce new laws for firearms. An excellent metaphor I thought. I don't like the man, but wouldn't deny him the fun he must be having south of the border. And at least he runs a party of honest criminals.

#435 Ayrshire Scot

Goes all the way to a #6, but #5 is still long enough for pretty woman to say "What lovely hair you have." Now I just look like a nutter ready to wreck the joint and stab everyone. No less a criminal than a few politicians I suppose.

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Davie from Irvine,

Ayrshire coast 02/12/2007 19:19:13

According to the sunday post Gordon Brown has told Wendy not to resign as this would put preasure on him to go as the donation to Wendy being £950 is much less than the London donation it would lead to a deck of falling cards reaction of falling senior Labour figures. perhaps it would be good for the SNP and Scotland for Wendy to remain as Scottish Labour leader, a lame duck one.

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Arrow,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 19:27:00

charlie gordon, the labour party in the west of scotland, hugh developments getting planning permission by glasgow planning committee benefiting Mr Green's business empire, i am sure someone could set it to music or perhaps one if those training films that show you what not to do.

Wendy is being kept from resigning because she is in the frame for £950 (when it got to £200 she was personally responsible for checking the source and hving wriiten a thank you letter to his address in the CI she must have known) but if she goes so does Harriet Harmful for she is in it for £5000. she goes Gordie is in serious do-do. what he should do is to go for mass sackings and clear out the corrupt one and start from scratch everywhere.

wendy should stay because she is the best recruiting officer that the SNP have. in fact i would not be surprised if she is not an SNP mole plotting the downfall of the whole labour edifice and revealing herself as Alex Salmond secret misteress for the past 15 years. where's your Da Vince Code noo?

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BIG HAIRY CATERPILLAR,

MUNCHING WENDIE'S LETTUCE MMMMM. 02/12/2007 19:28:13

#442. But would it not also be good for Scotland and the UK to have a general election to get rid of this bunch of crooks liars, and warmongers.
I fancy the SNP to cruise to a comfortable victory giving them the mandate for the referendum which will give us the independence we so desperately need now before it is to late.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

02/12/2007 19:28:27

428 Sir Sean hasn't given money to the SNP from abroad since 2001 because of this LAW.

Wendy and London Labour have broken the law. Is it Lib Dem policy to ignore criminality?