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Published Date: 21 September 2008
IT'S ALL about the women, stupid! The fight is on to capture America's 110 million female voters, with both presidential candidates launching an aggressive push for women's votes in the final six-week sprint to the US election.
This weekend, the Democratic Party is organising special events in all 50 states, as part of Barack Obama's "Women for the Change We Need" strategy.

There is everything to play for: a survey by the Pew Research Center last week found that Obama has a 10-point lead over McCain among women voters overall but McCain leads Obama by 48 to 41 among white women voters.

In a carefully orchestrated appeal to a key voting group, the Republican and Democrat candidates are running adverts on abortion and stem cell research. Obama's radio advert, which is running in Indiana, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire among other states, features nurse Valerie Baron, who says: "John McCain's out of touch with women today. McCain wants to take away our right to choose." Mailshots hammering home the same message have been sent to voters in Florida and Virginia.

McCain has fought back with a radio advert which focused on stem cell research. The Republican candidate said he will invest more money in research to prevent disease and find medical breakthroughs to "help free families from the fear and devastation of illness."

McCain also implied that he is not as far right on abortion as Obama has suggested. The Republican opposes abortion rights generally but makes an exception when the life of the mother is in danger and, unlike his running mate Sarah Palin, in cases of rape or incest.

Highlighting another popular issue with women voters, the Democrats have been running an advert on equal pay in swing states. The ad says that women earn on average 77 cents in the dollar compared to men and accuses McCain of voting against an equal pay law.

Women voters are being carefully targeted, perhaps more than ever before. "Just saying that they support women is not enough," said Victoria Budson, executive director of the Women and Public Policy Programme at Harvard University. "The candidates are going to have to back that up by demonstrating a commitment to healthcare, education, the economy and the difficulties of balancing a family and a job."

Launching his bid for the female vote, Obama announced he had won the support of hundreds of national women's leaders. Keen to portray himself as a candidate with appeal to women, he is sending female Democratic governors, senators and high-profile supporters to campaign for him in battleground states.

His former rival for the Democrat candidacy is also being deployed to counter the effect of Sarah Palin, the potential Republican vice-president whose emergence from Alaskan obscurity galvanised McCain's campaign. On Friday, Hillary Clinton stepped up efforts to persuade her supporters to get behind Obama. As well as seeking donations, Clinton urged her supporters, many of whom are still smarting over her treatment at the hands of Obama, to start travelling to battleground states each weekend, beginning with New Hampshire on September 27.

In a conference call to thousands of supporters, she said, "This is a call to action. This is a must-do. We all have a role. And there is not a moment to lose." But not all Hillary supporters are listening. The McCain campaign picked up a scalp with the news last week that former Clinton supporter Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a vastly wealthy and influential socialite, had switched her allegiance to the Republicans, expressing the view that Obama was "elitist".

In turn, team Obama secured the endorsement of the National Organisation for Women, the first time that the campaigning group has supported a presidential candidate since Walter Mondale in 1984. The Illinois senator scored further points with the endorsement of Lilly Ledbetter, the Alabama activist whose fight for equal pay ended up in the Supreme Court and inspired the 2007 equal pay legislation which bears her name.

But the Democrats have a fight on their hands. McCain's adoption of Palin as his VP candidate has transformed the fight for women's votes, and cut across traditional dividing lines in American politics.

Asked in a Pew Research Center poll last week to use one word to describe Palin, voters variously chose "refreshing" "interesting", "good", "inexperienced", "conservative", "great", "unknown" and "smart".

Most interest has been generated by the identification of a new swing constituency – "the hockey moms", 2008's version of the "soccer moms" who propelled Bill Clinton into the White House in 2004. Hockey moms are Palin's people, and recent polling suggests they are disproportionately likely to vote Republican.

Lisa Dane, a New York museum administrator, mother of two and former Hillary Clinton supporter, is typical of the group McCain is hoping to draw away from the Democrats. She said: "I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. I like Obama but I'm upset that he didn't pick Hillary Clinton as his VP. But as a feminist I can't vote for Sarah Palin."

Barbra Streisand and Lindsay Lohan are among high-profile celebrities who have come out against Palin and the internet is awash with appeals from women to other women not to vote for Palin. They include "This woman is the Devil" and "Palin terrifies me – how can a woman in the 21st century be opposed to equal rights for women and to a woman's right to choose?"

Keen to persuade her supporters not to gravitate towards the only woman on the ticket, Hillary Clinton said recently: "You can be excited about someone being nominated for vice president - we (Democrats] did it in 1984 with my friend Geraldine Ferraro. The Republicans have done it in 2008, but that's not a good enough reason to vote for that ticket."

The danger for both candidates is that in wooing the female vote they switch off the male constituency. As Mary Wilson, president of the League of Women Voters, points out: "There are many different women with many different views. Men and women are interested in the same kind of issues. Women may say they are concerned about the price of food and men may point to the price of gasoline but when you get down to it they are both concerned about the economy."

Female and franchised: who gets their support?

HOCKEY MOMS
At the Republican Convention, Sarah Palin asked: "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit-bull? Lipstick." Palin's quip has made hockey moms central to this election. According to polling, the hockey mom demographic – white, married women with kids under 18, incomes over $75,000 and living in the prime hockey-playing regions – favour Republicans over Democrats by 9%.

CLINTONISTA SISTAS
Disgruntled Hillary supporters who can't bring themselves to support Obama. Will they go right over to support McCain and Palin? Democrats hope they have the traditional, feminist left on side, and Jill Biden and Michelle Obama are on the road appealing to Democrat activists.

CHRISTIAN STAY-AT-HOME MOMS
McCain's heartland supporters, energised by Palin – and her decision to carry her son Trig, who has Down's Syndrome, to full term. Disproportionately likely to be McCain/Palin voters, attracted by the line on abortion and family values.

SEX AND THE CITIES
Covers a huge demographic, from the never-married to the divorced or widowed, but whichever way you look at this group, Obama has them in the bag. A poll of single women voted Obama the candidate they would most like to see naked, and a Gallup poll in mid-August showed that 57% of unmarried women intended voting for the Illinois senator.

'VIRGIN' VOTERS
First-time voters are overwhelmingly pro-Obama, with college campuses energised by his message of change to a degree not seen since Vietnam. They are the one part of the female demographic that seems immune to the appeal of Sarah Palin.

THE GOLDEN GIRLS
McCain, the war hero with right wing views, gets the older, white woman's vote.

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1

2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 01:08:46
Estrogen vs Testosterone. Got news for us guys-we lose. Pretty dumb reason for voting, though.
2

W Smith,

Middle East 21/09/2008 03:55:07
1) John Edwards was Obama's mate and was publicly endorsed by Oprah.

Oprah went all quiet when it was revealed John Edwards was cheating on his wife as she battles cancer.

If this had been McCain this newspaper would have made more of it.

2) Sarah Palin, the right wing neocon, was prepared to become unpopular with the oil companies in Alaska by hitting them with a whopping wind-fall tax.

3) Sarah Palin believes that every resident of Alaska should continue to get their annual oil revenue cheque unlike the caring sharing Scottish socialists who would rather squander money on methadone, more social workers with gold plated pensions and, of course, generous incapacity benefit for alcoholics, druggies and the work-shy.

4) Still no mention of Obama's pastor the Rev Wright who supports the Nation of Islam and said "God damn America".
3

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21/09/2008 05:08:32
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4

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA: for more WAR VOTE McCain 21/09/2008 07:55:39
2 W Smith,Middle East

Dude, are U a cherry picker in the San Joaquin Valley ?

U sure know how to cherry pick from political statement made by rabid blood Republicans.

Its all about sound bites and little about substance or serious issues.

Relax dude.

GC
5

Mikey,

21/09/2008 08:58:03
I have an Amrican wife and have spent quite a bit of time in the US. It strikes me that the voting intentions are drawn along education lines. The more educated vote Democrat and the least educated vote Repubican. A bit like, in Scotland, the people who read the Herald and the Daily Retard.

We are dealing here with a nation in which a sizeable chunk of the voting public believe that the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs were domesticated pets!

Like the old Soviet Union, they come along, every four years, with two stooges for the American public to vote for. Both these stooges are not decided upon by the policies and popular vote, but by something called the electoral college! Getting to be president does not depend on policy. It simply depends on who raises the largest amount of money!

To show that there is figment of democracy, they also allow some no hopers to run as well. These are usually mad millionaires, Ross Perot types, who have more money than sense.

The American Dream is over! Nobody can become POTUS unless they sell themselves to the military industrial complex, much like the old Soviet Union!

Oh yeah, the latest wheeze from the neocons is that Dubya is a liberal! That's why the economy is so bad!

All this from a country that tries to call anyone who think for themselves, a communist!
6

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 21/09/2008 10:41:14
Sarah is drop-dead gorgeous and I don't care if God descends on a cloud with St Peter on his shoulder and Gandhi and Nelson Mandela by his side and tells me to vote Obama, I'd still vote for her.
7

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 21/09/2008 10:44:23
#2 Agree with you 101%
8

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/09/2008 12:47:38
2 dogs in D.C.

Good morning to your, sir and your canine family.

I am going to be a tad naughty here and say, "Does this include the frightening and frighteningly beautiful "Lipstick Lezzies".

Is Sarah Palin familiar with the concept of a "palindrome". I think not.

She is too busy in her spare time shooting wolves and bears and other wildlife in Alaska. Once she starts picking off Democrats visiting the White House - IF she gets into office there - the Secret Service will all be in a tither over the dreaded sound of gunshots on Presidential property. I would put nothing past that woman.
9

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 21/09/2008 13:09:49
#8 lol troll. If you really lived in Canada you would know that wildlife in our human dominated environment needs culling, be it bears, wolves or deer in Scotland.

Or is letting them die of starvation the nicer "more liberal" option?
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 15:28:39
Hi, Tim-Good day to you and Chester as well.good and funny post you have there. If they win, I'll make a point of staying out of rifle range. Thanks for the heads up ;).
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nolimits,

Far North 21/09/2008 15:48:58
Well now, in my very humble estimation, it does not matter who wins. The US of A is still going to try and stick it to the world where the sun don't shine! A bad analogy, I admit, but that's how I see it.
12

Kelvino,

Epiphany Acres, NY 21/09/2008 16:33:38
Well, over the past week, I've actually become a huge fan of Sarah Palin. Once my outrage at McCain's
lapse of judgement in selecting her had gladly faded, I began watching and listening with a new eyes.

The woman IS BRILLIANT in terms of a natural comedic style. What is so refreshing is that she appears to be completely unconscious as to how she is seen and has become one of the most naturally-hilarious public figures I have seen in many a year.

She is a living parody of herself, continually outdoing each public appearance with new, unique observations and conclusions. Her appearance, her speech and her mannerisms could not have been better scripted. I keep thinking that I'm seeing the "Saturday Night Live" version of her, when I realize that it's the evening NEWS that I'm seeing !

What a unique delivery style, so "of the people" and yet not at all, in her own little world, all at the same time ! Kind of a "Mary Hartman" or "Fernwood Tonight," for us "over-50" folks to recall.

Whether she becomes VP or not, my hat is off to this woman for sheer comic brilliance ! She takes "white trash" to a spit-shined level that is pure gold !

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Finnking,

Lempäälä 21/09/2008 16:53:20
5 Mikey

Well put. Democracy: one party carries out the wishes of the industrial elite while the other party is out of favour with the masses. It's like choosing food form a menu of two choices and bother are basically pizza.

As to the "commie" routine: with all the recent bale outs, massive farm subsidies and regulated markets, massive prison population, enormous state and private debt plus the effectively subsidised oil supply (US military).......one wonders why 'communism' is regarded as an 'evil'; not that it's ever existed beyond a theory.

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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/09/2008 16:59:44
#9

Listen, you ignorant fool. I really, really, REALLY do live in Canada and do see the need for animal culling - especially deer here in Eastern Canada and bears in British Columbia - no matter what the nutter at PETA shriek about animal rights.

THis was a light and lively post of mine and it was enjoyed by at least one poster in D.C.>

Lighten up or have another "wee dram" to get you out of your self-pitying slough of despond (Milton).

#12

Once white trash, always white trash - and she is also a blatant liar and fiscally incompetent in her governorship of Alaska. Just because she is a woman does not mean she should be allowed any less stringent standards as applied to men.

Got it, oh disillusioned one? THe way you go on you would thing that STUPID SARAH is a combination of Mother Teresa, Princess Diana, The Virgin Mary, and Annie Oakley. Wake up!

You must be on one of her election team and/or a rampant Republican - vile people.
15

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 21/09/2008 17:14:54
I have never seen such double standards in my life.
No one mentions Biden's illnesses, or his hoof in mouth disease. What makes her white trash? She is college educated, she has CHOSEN to keep a baby that she knows will have many problems.. her marriage wasn't a shotgun marriage... and just how many of you have teenage daughters that HAVEN'T kept you awake sometime during the time they were living at home.. ( and if you have young ones now...be prepared). Teenagers don't always do what you want them to..(wish they would), and it is their JOB to make your life a little turbulent.
No one is mentioning Biden, and his lobbyist son, who just now left his job.
No one has asked him the hard questions they have her.
Because she is a woman who would be in a powerful position doesn't make her less worthy.
Can't wait for the debate between Biden and her..the more he talks, the more trouble he gets into.
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 17:24:19
Hey-Tim-Kelvino's on our side. I,for one, am glad to let him carry the flag. He does it much better than me. His last post is irony at close to it's best.
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iuris dea ,

21/09/2008 17:43:15
The way they sound, I think we can assume that 2dogs, Tim and Kelvin sleep alone, or sleep next to a cold shoulder. Good luck on that.
Should we can also assume that if your wife gets pregnant you will be thrilled when she has the abortion?
Good for you for supporting the great cause- according to the liberals, you're doing the gene pool and the planet a favor by not crowding that family dinner table.
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 17:49:49
#17-Nah, Sorry-2 grown kids, 1 Grandson, 2 dogs and not a bit of cold shoulder. As an aside, heart transplants can now remove that lump of coal.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouts 21/09/2008 18:17:33
#14 I believe you live in Canada but you also sound like a rabid liberal. The only truth I ever heard about liberals was that if they couldn't hold two conflicting opinions at once they be completely opinionless.

Sarah Sarah Sarah!
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Kelvino,

Gomerville, Bklyn, NY 21/09/2008 18:20:15
2Dogs - Many thanks for you comment. I DO think that Sarah is one of the unique, recently-discovered comic geniuses of our time. She's completely "over the top" with her eyes-wide-open one-liners, blatent lies and
beyond-naive conclusions. What a GEM !

I haven't laughed so hard since my college days
(late 60s / early 70s) when I was "not inhaling!"
Really. . . .watch her through an objective eye and
you will discover a talent approaching that of a Robin Williams in drag !

She's the governor of a state with the same approximate population as Columbus, Ohio; sort of a mayor of a small, very spread-out city.

That voice ! She's got every possible colloquial
home-grow dialect in there all at once; she almost sounds like a female Steve Martin "wild and crazy guy" character. Priceless !

#17 - Sorry to disappoint you. . . .loving wife and family; VERY happy how my 50+ year-old life has gone, though not too much extra cash. . .

#14 - Sorry you misunderstood my posting. . .I'm very much opposed to the party that has bankrupted our country, taken advantage of our young people in a needless war and now plunged us into a possible depression. Other than that, they're great folks !
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Carolyn 1,

21/09/2008 18:29:17
2dogs in D.C.,

As a conservative woman you may be surprised that I can add and subtract, but it seems to me your kids were born before abortion was legal, and at your age it requires viagra to get a warm coal.


The treatment of Sarah Palin has become despicable.

The obnoxious attitude of some of the above men posting is also reprehensible.

The 'legacy' I am now expected to pass on to my daughter is that
1.)men are no longer gentlemen
2.) abortions are the passageway to womens lib
22

2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 18:58:41
#21-Pardon me,Ma'am, I consider myself the very paradigm of southern Gent. However, regretfully, I must inquire as to your interest pertaining to the use of medications vis a vis my own private sexual life. If you are interested, I must say,with regret, that it remains none of your affair.And, if affair it is you seek, try Kelvino, he May, and I repeat, just may, take you up ;)
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 19:02:17
And then, there's always Chester. Right, Tim?
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Kelvino,

Upstate NY 21/09/2008 19:10:52
#21 - I'm curious as to what you find so objectionable about the posts that you refer to.


Nevertheless. . . . .

A) Men WILL be gentlemen when they are thought of as such . . . . and are expected to be. I am the father of a teenage girl and my message has always been to "expect respect and walk away from everything else." You have no idea how much I am a supporter of my wife's and daughters' rights in our home and community. Do not generalize . . . .my guess is that we share identical goals. No good parent wants anything less for their children.

When I see Palin's behavior, using her daughter to gain sympathy, it sickens me and cheapens the legitimate feeling that actual loving parents have for their children. Bristol was USED and MARKETED to us as a supreme example of "family values." I say, these are values that we do NOT accept as positive in our home ! The girl needed love and attention and her willing boyfriend gave it to her ! This is NOT the values that we espouse in our home. . . .this is outright negligence ! (Read all of the biographical info. on Bristol in the local Alaska news sources. . .you will get a really different view of this girl, her friends, her family, etc. )
Most definitely NOT the teen role model that was paraded before us !

B) I have NEVER met anyone who is in favor of abortion.

If it is illegal, young girls simply do what they have always done. . . perform their OWN abortions! Do we want BOTH mother and child to die ? Of course not !

Is THIS what we all want for our daughters? Or, do we parade them one stage, like some "trophy-teen," making as much political mileage as possible out of a poorly-parented young girl whose "hockey mom" was too busy to see what she was up to with the self-proclained
"f-ing redneck" boyfriend of hers. Can you believe that this moron of a boyfriend said this on-camera
to be seen on YouTube ? Is THIS what we want for our country.

I don't think that you fully realize how close
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Kelvino,

NY 21/09/2008 19:15:22


in opinion we really are, despite the attempts of Rush Limbaugh ( and the other profiteers) to create a divided, hateful America.

#22-2Dogs - Thanks for the matchmaking, but I'm quite happy with things as they are. . .
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 19:21:52
Hey-Kelvino,please stick around with us for a while. We can use your logic and opinions.
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 19:24:05
Well, Kelvino, there's still Chester;)
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Kelvino,

NY 21/09/2008 19:55:15
2Dogsin DC -

We need more folks from all sides actually speaking from their hearts as well as minds . . .not spewing the nonsense from any PAID-opinion-makers on AM radio.
These radio people have a product to sell and it's TALK ! Just like any other product, they need to stick to their "brand" or risk losing customers.

In their heart-of-hearts, who knows how these people REALLY think ?

If there is one person that I blame for much of what has happened to this country, it would be the self-serving venom of Rush Limbaugh.

He has GOT to be the most destructive force this country has ever seen, convincing average working people that somehow they are "conservatives" and should stand up for the wealthiest among us, that those "uppety" people are sucking our system dry, that we don't need health care, that our children don't need affordable higher education, that a "free market" solves everything.

WRONG . . . WRONG . . . WRONG !

This past week should be THE major wake-up-call for all of us that the folks at the top have run away with the prize once again and we're left holding the bag.
Henry Paulson said today that there was no actual plan to get out of this mess, only a temporary fix to help stabilize the markets. We're living a financial experiment and this dilemma will be passed on to the next administration. Brain power will be requirement #1 !

As NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg said this morning, we have a system of "Privatizing profits. . . . but socializing debt," as of last week. Upper 1% cashes in. . .we 99% all go down the toilet !

Good luck to all of us. . .. . and thanks, Rush, for helping to keep down the voices of the average person in this country who has been raped by the likes of you and those you protect ! Yours is truly the voice of freedom, at least for the monied elite !






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Sandi,

San Diego 21/09/2008 19:59:00
#24, Kelvino,

Yes indeed, Bristol was used and marketed...by Obama and people like you. And yes, it is disgusting.
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2dogs in D.C.,

21/09/2008 20:22:05
Talk is good, Bullets tend to be bad.
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Kelvino,

NY 21/09/2008 20:22:42
#24-Sandi

I did NOT see Mr. Obama escorting Bristol onto the stage for public viewing; perhaps I missed something.

Her mother should be ashamed of herself. I am sure that few mothers would have done this to their own daughters.

This event, of course, provided a perfect forum for discussions with our own children concerning birth control, politics and parenting styles.
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Carolyn 1,

21/09/2008 21:11:59
Out of the mouth of Kelvino: "Her mother should be ashamed of herself. I am sure that few mothers would have done this to their own daughters. "


I assume that you know Obama, the Great One, was conceived out of wedlock; obviously his mother did not have an abortion but married the man who would, in the near future, dessert her and his son such that they had to be supported by her parents.

Who is the better role model?
Sarah Palin who supports her daughter, and future son-in-law, or Obama's mother, who supported her daughter and her future son-in-law?
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Carolyn 1,

21/09/2008 21:14:00
that should read:
Who is the better role model?
Sarah Palin who supports her daughter, and future son-in-law, or Obama's GRANDmother, who supported her daughter and her future son-in-law
(and then raised her grandson.)
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Carolyn 1,

21/09/2008 21:30:40
28 Kelvino,NY

As to how or why you seem to think that people have to be CONVINCED they are conservatives? Do you think its a poison in the drinking water or something? Do you think we get a stupid pill at the grocery store each week?
Really, what part of the galaxy are you from?

There really are people in the United States who are REAL people, and they REALLY do like Sarah Palin and they really do share the same values and family lifestyle.

Wow, Kelvino. What a small minded moron you are proving to be. Last I checked, there's a lot of people in New York State, and every state, regardless if its a democrat state, who go to church, they hunt, they take their kids to soccer, and baseball and hockey, and they support their kids. New York state is known for cheese, and its made by dairy farmers, who are red necks and loving Sarah Palin for the populist she is. Because she gets it. She's not an elitist. She gets it. Not every person in the galaxy is a liberal. Get over it and stop belittling those who are not.

In an interview Sarah Palin, I'm paraphrasing, pulled at her belly fat (from after the baby) and said "that's not fat, that's thick skin. You need a very thick skin to do this work."

And we wonder why there are so few candidates to run for public office.
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Kelvino,

NY 22/09/2008 00:36:55
Carolyn:

Good Lord, what overly-defensive nonsense !

McCain has changed his TV campaign spots to EXCLUDE Palin from the picture. He is now appearing alone.

Does THAT tell you something ?

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Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 00:51:37
@35stilldoesn'tgetit

because, ummmm, she's campaigning today in Florida alone as a vp candidate? (Biden does this also) and ummmmm, Tuesday she'll be in New York ummm to meet Henry Kissinger and then ummm to the National Assembly to meet foreign leaders, ummmm because she's the er republican vice presidential nominee.
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Kelvino,

Tech Valley, NY 22/09/2008 01:09:12
#36 Ummmmmmm. . . . .


Would you be a Palin supporter if she were a black woman ?

If she were black, how would you feel seeing her
exhibiting her pregnant daughter on stage ?

Are you a Hillary supporter ?

What if a pregnant Chelsea were in Bristol's place on stage. . . would this be OK ?

I'd really like to know your honest responses. . . .
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Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 01:51:56
@37stilldoesn'tgetit
Kelvino, Tech Valley, NY


1. There is NO Tech Valley near Brooklyn, or 'upstate'
2. Yes.
3. What a jerk you are
4. I considered her but voted for Romney
5. Sure, and thats one more ashole question
5. FYI, my father sold our estate on the Hudson River to an incredible guy who wanted to give back to those less fortunate, he wanted to turn the land into a retreat for kids from the city, and so my father agreed to sell all the property. The town of Kinderhook however let the main and very historic house burn down. Why? This individual was Sydney Poitier, and in case you didn't know, he's black. So don't give me your Upstate New York holier than thou garbage and tell me I'm the racist.
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Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 01:57:52
Palin had a crowd of 60,000 in Florida today- Just because the Daily Kos and Huffington Post did not report it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Are you going to attack/insult every person in every crowd of 60,000?
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Kelvino,

NY 22/09/2008 02:22:58
Carolyn:

Exactly what I expected from you. . . . . .a sensless tirade ! Good golly miss Molly ! Thanks for sharing this moment with the world !

Your are very funny and I hope that your responses are read by many.

("Tech Valley" is what they now call the area between Poukeepsie, NY and Albany; new home to hi-tech firms, greatly supported by Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, NY / I've listed a different address with almost every posting that I've ever made. . as an obvious JOKE. You ACTUALLY looked up "Gomer Valley/Brooklyn,NY?" Now Carolyn, REALLY ! )

I know the town of Kinderhook very well. . . .right off Rt. #66.

Do yourself a favor. . .the world a favor. . . .just open your eyes and see what is actually going on.
You've got one hell of a chip on your shoulder !

Nighty- night ! No need for further discussion, thanks. . . .it's been fun !











Nighty-Night !
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Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 02:44:20
40 Kelvino, NY
senseless tirade? Why is my family's abhorrence of bigotry against blacks a senseless tirade? And no, it wasn't funny when the fire department let a historic house burn down rather than respond to property owned by a black person. You may think it's a real comedy, but my family thought it was a tragedy. I guess that's just one more thing you don't get- it's about real life. Once again, I am shocked at your arrogance. If you google, which I just did, you'll find that good Ole Kinderhook still has less than 1% blacks. And there was no Route 66. Needless to say, I'm glad to have moved from the snobby region and haven't been back in decades.
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Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 02:56:12
me bad...

I forgot to say that Sarah Palin campaigning today drew a crowd of 60,000
and there was NO FREE CONCERT
No firewworks


(UNLIKE OBAMA WHO USES CONCERTS TO GET BIG CROWDS)
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mike - across the pond,

kelvino 22/09/2008 03:23:32
what exactly did you find disgusting about Bristol Palin?

why should Sarah Palin be ashamed?

Sarah Palin is a public figure, and in these days, the families of public figures get drug into the spotlight... so...

if you find the families disgusting, then BO's family must be disgusting as well....

or is that with a different brush you wish them painted?

where did your "brotherly love" go?
44

mike - across the pond,

kelvino 22/09/2008 03:53:37
a black woman like Condoleza Rice?

I'd support her...
45

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/09/2008 06:42:39
Chester is just one of the loves of my life and I am never in a cold bed and have PLENTY of candidates to share my affections and lusts, thank you very much.
46

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/09/2008 07:37:35
"Sarah Palin campaigning today drew a crowd of 60,000"

Why, wasn't the Jerry Springer show on at the time?
47

Carolyn 1,

22/09/2008 13:25:11
Lets start a list:
According to Obama and his supporters- Palin, and women who like her, and women who are similar to her, those women are:
disgusting
bitches
white trash
unfit mothers
pigs
racists
bigots
xenophobic
anti-women
an insult to women
stupid
lesbians
bible-thumpers
tragic figures
maggots
cocky wacko (Senator Chaffe's words)
disabled (Congressman Rangel)
ditzy


And her husband, a f-cking redneck? The guy supports his family, his wife, designs and builds their house, is a champion athlete, and Kelvino calls him a f-cking redneck?? Every man should be a f-cking redneck then.







48

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/09/2008 13:59:26
#47

It would be useful if you supplied a link to prove that Obama either thinks or has said what you claim.

I thought you couldn't.
49

SouthernGent,

22/09/2008 19:40:30
#5
"The more educated vote Democrat and the least educated vote Repubican. "

Sorry big guy, but your observation is 100% incorrect. The demographics are just the opposite. Unless you actually believe the segment of lazy individuals that live on handouts actually vote republican.
50

American,

23/09/2008 19:02:31
#1-2 dogs-just as dumb as voting for someone because he's black.
51

mike - across the pond,

ah kelvino 23/09/2008 23:37:55
would you please point out to me where Palin OR McCain has EVER supported banning abortion

quite simply THIS is a lie, FEARMONGERING by the Obama-ites...

you lie when you say it... making you.... a liar

please point out when Palin has "run her pregnant daughter out there on the campaign trail"

its a LIE when you say it.... making you... a LIAR

dont like me calling a spade a spade.... quit LYING

 

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