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Published Date: 02 November 2008
ALEX Salmond yesterday declared the SNP was heading for victory in the Glenrothes by-election and preparing to deliver a crushing blow to Labour.
Four days before polling day and with the vote on a knife-edge, the First Minister made his most confident prediction of the campaign to date, saying the SNP had done enough to see off a resurgent Labour.

"I think we will be there on Thursday," Salmond said.

He based his analysis on the SNP's superior organisation, claiming Labour lacked a similar strength on the ground.

"We are nearly there. Our support is mobilised and motivated," he said. "We never regarded this as a push-over. A majority of over 10,000 is always a tough nut to crack. It was always going to be close, but in these last few days we have motivated our support and we have pulled away from Labour.

"They really don't have the strength on the ground that we have got. This is the difference between having an organised and motivated support and relying on a spin machine in London."

The SNP leader dismissed reports of a "Brown bounce" resulting from the Prime Minister's handling of the financial crisis as "Labour spin".

Although Labour are defending a 10,664 majority, the SNP won the similar Central Fife seat with a swing of 7.6% in last year's Scottish elections. In the summer the SNP overcame a 13,500 majority to claim Glasgow East, a result that sent shockwaves through Labour.

"We got our reward last year when we won the equivalent seat in the Scottish Parliament," the First Minister said after speaking to voters who had switched to the SNP in the Carlton Bakeries in Markinch.

Salmond stuck his neck out as bookmakers said the SNP and Labour were now neck-and-neck. Ladbrokes offered odds of 5/6 on both parties, despite the SNP having been the early 1/4 favourites.

A Ladbrokes spokesman appeared to take issue with the First Minister's remarks, saying: "It's been one-way traffic for Labour. The momentum is with the Government and our latest price change caps a remarkable turnaround in the betting."

Two high-profile visits from Gordon Brown as well as Alistair Darling would suggest that Labour is confident of catching up with the SNP.

But Salmond said the Glenrothes seat had been an SNP target for many years, long before it came up for grabs with the untimely death of sitting Labour MP John MacDougall.

The SNP's formidable machine has canvassed over 40,000 people, delivered 12 leaflets to all 36,000 households, and despatched 4,300 activists on visits before this weekend.

Meanwhile, Salmond has made 11 visits and intends to return to the constituency every day until the polls close.

Peter Grant, the SNP candidate, was sent a message of support by the party's most famous member, Sir Sean Connery.

The actor urged Grant to "keep showing the people of Glenrothes the SNP is on their side and I have every confidence that they will send a strong message on November 6."

Lindsay Roy, the Labour candidate, appeared unfazed by Salmond's remarks as he campaigned at the Club 3000 Bingo Hall in Glenrothes.

"I'm confident we can win this election, if we continue to work hard for the next few days. We are seeing a change in fortune and I detect that the tide is turning in our favour."


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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 00:12:38



Quite Honestly, I would NOT Vote for either of them, and NO-POINT, in voting for the, 'Lesser of Two Evils'!

Unfortunately, it is like the UK Music Charts, all we have is complete unwanted choices!

About time, we had someone that was worth voting for!


2

subrosa,

02/11/2008 00:16:54
Hopefully as many as possible will be able to spend a few hours in Fife before Thursday. I intend to go Monday - business permitting.
3

Castaway™ ,

02/11/2008 00:18:57
Latest opinion poll (Oct) from TNS System Three.
TNS Polls: Using the same format as the SNP is proposing to put in a referendum which is to ask the Scots whether they agree or disagree that the administration should "negotiate a settlement with the government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state".
Oct 2008:agree 35%:not agree 43%:DK 22%
Jun 2008:agree 39%:not agree 41%:DK 21%
Mar 2008:agree 41%:not agree 40%:DK 19%
Nov 2007:agree 40%:not agree 44%:DK 16%
Aug 2007:agree 35%:not agree 50%:DK 15%
Avg-agree 38%:not agree 43.5%:DK 18.5%
DK=Don't know, who have shown a steady increase.
4

Christina, Aberdeen,

02/11/2008 00:21:34
I don't want to put a damper on things but Alex Salmond didn' t predict a "crushing victory". He said:

"We will win this seat ... not by a landslide but I am convinced we will win it."
5

Jimmy Le Pie,

02/11/2008 00:23:34
I see Ladbrokes being quoted.

Who was favourite in Glasgow East??
6

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 00:25:38
Are all the bets at Ladbrokes under £995?

7

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 00:28:17
Delightful news that Salmond is up in Glenrothes every day.

It keeps him out of Edinburgh.

By the way, where is he hiding his wife?
8

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 00:28:34
Well if Sir Sean has intervened that's the end of the matter. What are Sir Sean's views on the current financial crisis? It's ridiculous how he gets ignored on matters of substance.
9

Jimmy Le Pie,

02/11/2008 00:35:20
I'm confused with the Ladbrokes man saying all the betting has been one way??

I thought the SNP had rigged the betting??

Any explanations??

No comments Hamish??
10

frank mcbride,

lusitania 02/11/2008 00:35:44
I confidently predict an SNP victory by 1 vote.

This will come about by a NuLab councillor voting, like his Holyrood comrades, voting the wrong way - by mistake.

The G8 sound better than the Feeble 50, doesn't it?
11

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 00:36:06
7
Where do you hide yours?

Sorry. Of course you don't have one.
12

colin, crombie,

dunfermline 02/11/2008 00:37:24
the unionists cant see that even BEFORE the Brown Bust, we have too many unemployed and living on benefits, crippling fuel prices, no international voice and our national assets being stripped and sold off. How LOW can we go with the Union?

As Idi Amin once commented on our problem 'the Scots are not oppressed enough' and former Labour MP now Lord ONeill said 'the biggest problem for Labour in Scotland is how to keep the people poor so they will still vote Labour.

BROON IS BUST
13

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 00:38:57
#8 Yes Sir Seans viewpoint is of the utmost importance. Ask lyndsay De Paul.

He has never lived here for 50 years but the people of Scotland deserve to be told how we should vote.
14

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 00:41:05
#11 Conan, great post.
15

Bring it Off,

UK 02/11/2008 00:43:42
GORDON BROWN BREEZES INTO GLENROTHES AND PROCLIAMS

OIL IS NOT A COMMODITY TO RUN AN ECONOMY ON

GORDON BROWN LEAVES GLENROTHES TO GO TO THE ARABIAN GULF TO BEG YES BEG FOR MONEY FROM

OIL RICH STATES

FOLLOWING ON FROM BARCLAYS, CITIGROUP, MERRILL LYNCH AND UBS

HELLO

OIL GOOD FOR AMERICAN BANKS ENGLISH BANKS AND SWISS BANKS OIL GOOD FOR UK GOVERNMENT BAILOUT - BUT

OIL NO GOOD FOR SCOTLAND AND WEE SCOTTISH PEOPLE KEEP THEM DOWN MUST KEEP THEM DOWN

MAN SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE



HELLO
16

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 00:44:44
14
Thankyou.

It ranks up there with your best.
17

Bring it Off,

UK 02/11/2008 00:46:03
CRASH GORDON GOES BEGGING FOR MONEY

18

Steve,

Bo'ness 02/11/2008 00:49:47
Sir Sean's opinions are no less valid than Sir Alex Fergusons. At least Connery visits Scotland now and then.
19

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02/11/2008 01:02:08
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:06:11
19
My guess would be see weed and smoke it.

Yours?
21

We are responsible for ourselves.,

02/11/2008 01:12:26
Come on Conan, go easy on Really Tedious Fukker, you know he's his own wife and hubby rolled into one.
22

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:14:57
21
Now that is a picture I do not wish to view.
23

frank mcbride,

lusitania 02/11/2008 01:16:21
Rufus.

Why would you be called "crainial Murphy"?
24

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:24:08
Seems Rufus has found fresh fields and pastures new.

25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 01:34:22




"Little Weed", "Little Weed"

Was that fro the,..'Flower-Pot-Men' Programme for Children many years Ago,?


Well We Have Two,..'Flower-Pot-Men' in this Election!

YOU CHOOSE!,....Mind You,.....


...."Little Weed" Makes, the best contender!



26

Finlang,

Switzerland 02/11/2008 01:36:31
#4 Christina, Aberdeen

You're right to point out that typical "Scotsman" trait of headlining articles with pithy (sorry, pishy) things the person reported did not say.

Fireflea the maggot, everywhere above ... don't you get tired of being the propangandist voice that nobody is interested in - except your puppeteers, that is?


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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:42:52
25
Charles.

Flub alub.

Makes more sense than most or your punctuation.

:-)

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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:45:54
Argh. Most OF your punctuation.
29

Archie MacT,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 01:52:59
Hope Labour win on Thursday. Anything to wipe the smile of Salmond's smug baw face. Isn't it great to have a First Minister who spends most of his time camped out in Glenrothes putting narrow party interest over the needs of the country. Visiting bakeries and posing with giant pies, you couldn't make it up. The Tartan Army at Hampden had the measure of the man and rightly booed him off the pitch.




30

Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 01:58:12
29
Archie

Good Morning to you.

Do you work for Trolls'r'us?

Or are you just a poor deluded Labour Party member?
31

Archie MacT,

02/11/2008 02:08:53
"deluded" and "troll"? ah the usual retort of the keyboard nat. That's me cut down to size. with such fine nationalist brains advancing the argument, its hard to understand why support for independence is going through the floor. less than a third of scots at the latest robust measurement....

but dont worry. Alec doesn't want to hold a referendum until 2010 so you have another 2 years of being able to claim that your minority view is actually the view of the majority. happy days for the Nats.
32

somerferg,

perth 02/11/2008 02:14:56

Here's hoping the good people of Fife do what they know is right for them and Scotland. What they do not need is another monkey with a red rosette clone who will do London's bidding.
33

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 03:03:20
Archie Mact,

That means you have nothing to fear, so we shouldnt see you back on here. See Ya My Fellow Scot or is it Im alright Brit.Anyway see you in 2010 at the celebrations of our free country.
34

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 03:14:15
Next Week is just another day in the fight for our nations Independence from the British Empire. Ask the people in the Indian Ocean if their fight for their Islands back. The British Empire gave a 50 year lease to the yanks, for a discount on Polaris Nukes.

Aye the good old British Empire. The Australian Reserve Bank boss just informed Kevin Rudd that Australian Economy will not be affected by the Depression caused by the US and UK sub prime collapse. India thinks things will slow slightly, because they now have a wealthier middle class that is demanding more Western Products.

Oh by the way, both the Australian Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition who both support removing the Queen as head of State. The latest Governor is thrilled that she will go down in history as the Last representitive of the English Monarchy.
35

An Beal Bacht,

02/11/2008 03:46:21
I haven't heard much about what's going on in Glenrothes - those involved have been very quiet. But now that i hear the size of the National contingent showing up I am confident that labour will be crushed. Feet in the streets win elections. Our feet - our streets. Labour are reduced to busing in paid canvassers from furth of Scotland. Nae contest.
36

gus1940,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 07:24:41
Given the comments coming from the bookmakers would I be right in thinking that there is some legislation favourable to the betting industry in the government pipeline?
37

tommy M,

Scotland 02/11/2008 07:37:35
Liebour delaying the announcement of post office cuts till after the by election.Labour: The party that has betrayed Scotland.

Vote SNP. It's time.
38

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 08:09:29
#36 An Beal

"Feet on the street win elections".

I guess we better let the voters know. They are probably under the misapprehension that there votes would decide who won.

Nice Rhyme all the same.
39

donald,

glasgow 02/11/2008 08:10:13
'We will win this seat ... not by a landslide but I am convinced we will win it'
GLENROTHES BY-ELECTION: First Minister Alex Salmond talks to Scottish Political Editor Tom Gordon
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2464998.0.we_will_win_this_seat_not_by_a_landslide_but_i_am_convinced_we_will_win_it.php

Any kindd of win for Peter Grant is a win for Scotland and in Scotland's best interest.
40

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 08:12:03
What about "Bores at the Doors win elections"?

Salmond could rack up countless votes if he gets up early and starts knocking.

41

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 02/11/2008 08:14:14
29# i don't remember seeing alex playing at hampden,must have been in a parallel universe
42

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02/11/2008 08:18:03
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Walter Ego,

Durness 02/11/2008 08:32:45
For once, the Blessed Alex is right. The good people of Glenrothes will deliver a crushing blow to the SNP myth.
44

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 08:33:08
i am getting a
Bit
Worried though.

Traquir has
Not
Infested this thread with his
"see tiny url"
Voluminous,
Tedious,
"see tiny url"
Verbose, Pointless and extremely dull,
Lop Sided (because he copies them from somewhere)
"see tiny url" rants.

Traquir, what happened? I
"see tiny url"
am concerned for you. Nobody
"see tiny url" else on here can hold a candle to you
"see tiny url"
when
it comes to infesting the forum
"see tiny url"
with page after page of sleep inducing
"see tiny url" tomes that no one reads.
45

lulach mac gille coemgain,

02/11/2008 08:34:21
in the 21st century What benefit a union with England, Northern Ireland and Wales that we couldn’t handle alone as part of Europe, the World ?
46

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 08:35:12
Brown says that SNP cannot build a Scottish economy on a volatile oil market.
Brown goes to middle east trying to sell the family silver to those countries who currently are getting the advantage of the volatile oil market.
Who will they be selling them on to when the volatile oil market takes a downturn or when the oil runs out ?
He is willing to pawn our industry to anybody with the money to get him out of a mess before he has to declare an election.
47

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 08:37:13
"Crushing", "Landslide", "Earthquake".

I think Salmond needs to go on a diet.

His vast girth is starting to affect his vocabulary.
48

Finnzz,

02/11/2008 08:40:17
The SNP will win this by-election by the simple fact of having the best candidate and the best policies for the people of the constituency.

And by not having a drone whose only loyalty is to the Westminster monstrosity called Labour. A party that deliberately beggers voters into unemployment and benefits where their loyalty can be ensured.

Its no coincidence that areas of high unemployment return Labour MPs. But its because they return Labour MPs that they have such unemployment levels.
49

John S,

02/11/2008 08:41:09
#40 Donald:'We will win this seat ... not by a landslide but I am convinced we will win it' This is the equivalent of the url you gave.http://tinyurl.com/5ufsql
50

Garry Otton,

Scottish Media Monitor.com 02/11/2008 08:43:45
Oh dear!

http://www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=32

Scotland is one step closer to theocracy.
51

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 08:44:53
#48 Auld Twa

A bit like Salmond heading out to Qatar to secure funding for future infrastructure construction projects.
52

lulach mac gille coemgain,

02/11/2008 08:52:54
Dinae fret to much - it’ll aw jist end up being history
53

arc of insolvency,

02/11/2008 09:17:12
Not like the pie man to blow his own trumpet. I really hope Glenrothes don't vote SNP check the mess the SNP councl has caused.
54

TWC,

Ayrshire 02/11/2008 09:19:51
Yes Labour were doomed to fail because they don't have anything to offer.
There was not a single Pro Scottish policy as they are terrified of reversing their recent improvement in England.
I thought they would have made some comment about changing Barnett/ Pension to get some of us back into the fold.
55

arc of insolvency,

02/11/2008 09:20:40
#47 are you wired to the moon, still drunk from last night? I'm sure the five million popolus of Scotland voice would be heard clealy at all major decision making events!!!!If we're invited!!
56

The Tin Man,

02/11/2008 09:21:10
#57 arc

Now, now - it might be worthwhile to vote for Grant to get him off the council and into a less harmful job in London.
57

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 09:32:56
Unfortunately, for the Nationalists, events have turned this By-Election in favour of the sitting party.

However, IF the Nationalists should still somehow win by a narrow margin then it will become a major event which will once again put the Prime Minister under great political pressure?


58

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 09:39:14
Glenrothes will fall to the SNP. No amount of Labour spin will alter that.
59

arc of insolvency,

02/11/2008 09:41:58
connaughtboy atleast there's no SNP spin eh!!!

Have you been asked to bet on them? SNP are the biggest spinners of them all.
60

Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 09:54:42
Lachie Todd#

I would not call overturning 10,000 votes a small margin.

Where have all the Labour voters gone, that's 10,000 of them bailed out of the Labour party...small margin i think not!
61

arc of insolvency,

02/11/2008 09:55:49
Mr Spook,

You must have missed this story. SNp supporters were being asked to bet on the SNP winning in Glenrothes. They were concerned that Labour were catching up in the betting. You better get down the bookies and support the SNP Furher!
62

John S,

02/11/2008 10:01:26
From the Sunday Post-Activists expose Labour disarray
http://www.sundaypost.com/news2.htm
63

Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 10:02:19
People will vote SNP because people like Brown two days ago tells the Scots we can't have independence as oil is just too volatile a commodity.

The following day he is begging the gulf for their volatile oil money.

Does he think the news is not reported in Scotland? Or simply that all unionists and Labour voters are thick?
64

Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 10:17:19
#71 Norwegian Ambassador. Have you been over doing the Ferero Rochers?

These 2 positions are not inconsistent.
65

Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 10:19:45
The Brown bounce in East Sussex on Friday night:

'Meanwhile, in a small village in East Sussex, Gordon Brown was being blown to smithereens in front of a cheering mob. Last Saturday was bonfire night in the village of Firle, a place notorious for its fearless (and sometimes frightful) dealings with effigies.'



66

arc of insolvency,

02/11/2008 10:29:45
#69 not a Labour supporter. I'ma floating voter, well anyone except the SNP.
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 02/11/2008 11:00:39
Can you imagine the gloating faces of the Anti Scottish Nulabour trough feeders if they win. What exactly will Lindsay Roy do at Westminster. He will do as the rest do, vote on anti-Scottish policies and Anti-English policies as his Scottch minnion yes men keep him in power. Gordon Browns priority is keeping himself in power at the expense of his Country. Gordon Brown even more loathed than his pal Maggie Thatcher,we expected no less from her. Gordon Brown and Nulabour don't even try to hide their contempt for Scotland now. I would encourage anyone to vote for a party with Scotlands best interest SNP.
68

Andyh,

02/11/2008 11:03:10
Brown has got a cheek saying we cant run our economy on oil! Who got rid of our steel industries? Westminister. Who crippled our coal industry? Westminister. Who taking all the money for our oil industry? Westminister!
SNP is the best way forward.
69

Rodster,

Glasgow 02/11/2008 11:03:23
when the SNP win in Glenrothes rufus and co or are they all one and the same?
they will disappear like snow off a dyke .
we had the same hysteria from them prior to Glasgow East .
when AS said he felt an earthquake oh how they laughed , when AS said we would take 20 FPTP seats in Holyrood in 2007 , Oh how they laughed .
Now AS is saying a crushing victory and still how the Unionists laugh .....
70

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02/11/2008 11:06:18
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02/11/2008 11:09:33
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Fairfife,

Fife 02/11/2008 11:09:34
Having had a taste of SNP policy in Fife the last 2 years, I have lost my appetite for an independent Scotland, where the minority will simply be forgotten.
That Sean Connery is held up as the SNP party's most famous member is not impressive, when he is not a resident of either Scotland or the United Kingdom. He does not pay tax or live under the policies, and therefore is hardly in a position to be held up to call upon people to vote for a party he has probably never voted for himself. If and when he ever moves back to Scotland and has experienced life under SNP, then feel free to put him on the pedestal, if he is the man on the street that SNP represent.
73

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 02/11/2008 11:14:41
83
Ye, and you ever had an appetite for Independence, NOT. VOTE SNP
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 11:19:30
83 Fairfife#

Not voting SNP because of Sean Connery? What a buffoon.

As for SNP policy, you prefer what Labour has done of course and what is about to follow, probably the worst chacellor and PM the UK has ever had?

Fair enough, enjoy the recession and remember, keep voting Labour.

I presume you always knew Sean was an SNP supporter so why vote for them in the past numpty?
75

Fairfife,

02/11/2008 11:22:16
Well Westfield Bairns, Falkirk.
If I lived in Falkirk I would be looking at free care, as it is in Fife we have seen the current SNP LEAD/Liberal Council put up Care Charges from £4 per week to £11 per hour for personal care for the under 65, at the stroke of a pen.
For Home care for all ages the same charges apply. Subject the means testing, but the allowance for somebody under 60, living on their own is £100 before they start paying towards their care. You try supporting yourself on that, when you have to pay for all the other items such as wheelchairs, and equipement.
76

Fairfife,

02/11/2008 11:27:53
Perhaps Nevsky, you should have some lessons to improve your translation!
No need to be rude either.
I am yet to vote Labour, but I am not impressed with what is happening in Fife under SNP.
77

bill-alba,

fife 02/11/2008 11:30:42
83...having had a taste of labour and the cohorts the libs as rulers of fife for the last 50 odd years..It is like a breath of fresh air to have an SNP dominated administration in charge of fife it will mean that fife council will do more for communities rather than just cutting the grass and emptying the bins. As for Sean Connery at least he is a true scot rather than a vichy scot who love to see their country made bankrupt by the britnat friends. (and really get a grip look at all the supposed Scots in Westminster and what they are doing).
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 11:36:28
The latest predictions from the Times, if this is true is will spell the end of Brown. If the PM after campaigning personally in a neighbouring constituency and following his supposed 'bounce' get defeated and the SNP turn=over 13,000 votes, he is finished. Justice!:

'GORDON BROWN is braced for defeat in next week’s Glenrothes by-election, with Labour’s canvass returns predicting a 3,000 SNP majority.

Despite the prime minister visiting the constituency twice during the campaign, Labour is resigned to losing another of its safe seats to nationalists. It clawed back about 2,000 votes in the past fortnight, but Labour strategists concede it is “too little too late”. The party won with a 10,644 majority at the last election, but its slide in the polls has contributed to the predicted SNP win.'
79

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 02/11/2008 11:36:32
Having watched the SNP for the tast two years I come to a different conclusion from #83 FairFife.When I look at the popular policies implemented by the SNP government ,who have very limited control of Scotlands wealth,I wonder what the Scottish government could achieve if they controlled all of Scotlands wealth.Certainly they would spend it on health care,education and transport etc,rather than nuclear weapons and wars in Iraq.Actually the answer to my question is visable,since I currently live in Finland(5 million people).I can observe how an independany country can spend their money on what people want (free education,excellant health care etc)

This side of independance,we need MP's who will speak out (at Westminster) on behalf of the interests of Scottish voters.SNP,MP's always do that. For that reason I hope that my fellow Fifers elect Peter Grant on Thursday.I don't take anything for granted but it is encouraging to read in the Sunday Times that Labour are predicting an SNP majority of 3,000 in the Glenrothes by-election.
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Alberto.,

02/11/2008 11:39:01
Urgent Message to 'all voters' at 'all forthcoming elections!'

Disregard all the ‘Political Rubbish’ you will hear prior to any Political election - for whatever!

Speaking lies with convincing ‘forked tongue’ is an absolute ‘must’ to get on in the ‘Political game’ (getting 'in the game' is first priority, by whatever means, and the major point of activity / endeavour for any Political ‘wanna-bees!) and, as we can / have seen over the last few years - especially very recently, possibly even today, the ‘candidates’ - established or not, are pretty good at it - as obviously they have to be - in order to survive and be able to get their hands on the sumptuous financial rewards (main attraction, but our money - and others!)of the well known ‘trough!’

Before voting, think seriously of not only what you can do for your Country - as it has been said, but what they say they ‘can / will / perhaps / maybe’ do for ‘it and you’ in the future (you will obviously be amazed!!!) Compare this with what ‘they have done - if anything, during their time of great opportunity - but seemingly mainly for themselves!

Do not forget all pre-election Political ‘mutterings’ are only ‘make believe promises - at best’ and remembering the ‘Lisbon treaty referendum promise’ (will it ever be forgotten?) we have seen how simple and urgently they can discard a promise - as if it never existed, no matter what - if it suits the Political occasion!!

You have been warned!! - don’t ‘FALL’ for it again!

With the EU lurking and ready to step in and take ‘full CONTROL’ - their ultimate target for achievement, the next election you participate in for whatever / wherever / whoever, maybe you last and only chance to stop any rot increasing, and yours / ours next ‘Political FALLING FOR’ - may possibly be 'our' last!

As we have experienced already - probably much to out regret, the EU considers voting for anything - by anyone, somewhat tiresome and a burden on its activities - other than of
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Brian Hill,

02/11/2008 11:41:10
#15 Bring it Off

You certainly nailed that particular LIE BiO, well done. You said:

"OIL IS NOT A COMMODITY TO RUN AN ECONOMY ON

GORDON BROWN LEAVES GLENROTHES TO GO TO THE ARABIAN GULF TO BEG YES BEG FOR MONEY FROM"

Poor old Unionists, Labour especially are so embroiled in LIES and Half Truths on a daily basis they are no longer aware of doing it...........sadly for them, the voters have become increasingly more and more aware of their LIES especially over the least few years.

Labour did a fantastic job for the working class in days gone by but their sole raison d'etre now is power for powers sake.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 11:42:33
ooops. Te end BiOs quote: OIL RICH STATES
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mike3,

Midlands 02/11/2008 11:43:17
What are those rodents called that blindly follow the leader over a cliff?
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Alberto.,

02/11/2008 11:44:08
#91 Cont'd............

As we have experienced already - probably much to out regret, the EU considers voting for anything - by anyone, somewhat tiresome and a burden on its activities - other than of course, those that come up with the desperately desired result!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 11:45:17
93 Happy#

Independence is not republicanism; try and hold back from displaying your ignorance.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 11:46:20
Prepare for the Labour 'lie factory' and the Scottish media to go into over-drive in a massive damage limitation excercise!
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Gtj,

02/11/2008 11:48:04
I believe the people of Glenrothes will see through all the labour propaganda that is being thrown at them and sent Gordon brown home with his tail between his legs.
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Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 02/11/2008 11:52:31
Salomond is the bampot who used to tip horses to achieve "crushing victories" and, as we all know, led many people to the poorhouse. Scotland deserves better.
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Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 02/11/2008 11:53:19
97

But exactly where does the SNP stand on republicanism?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 11:54:40
100 Patrick#

You a supporter of Irish independence? I think they would be better of withing the uk don't you?
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Tarchin,

Lothian 02/11/2008 12:06:55
If/when the SNP win in Glenrothes on Thursday. What difference will it make in the political scene in the UK?. I would suggest not a lot. The SNP cannot form the next UK goverment in an elction, which is still some time away, that may well be conservative and no more kindly disposed to the break up of the UK, does anyone think that Cameron and Osborne would do a better job in the current crisis?
On the question of independence, we had at the last Holyrood electon a turnout of just over 52% of whom about 50% voted SNP i.e. just over 25%. Could /should we require a minimum 66% majority in favour of what is a major political change.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 12:09:37
103 Tarch#

No. Would you require the same 66% for a vote to remain within the UK?
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Fairfife,

02/11/2008 12:16:15
Suomi, from Finland. Perhaps if you were living rather than wathing the SNP for the last 2 years, you WOULD come to a different conclusion.
As to MP's who will speak out at Westminster, please don't pin your hopes on Cllr Grant IF he did get there.
Having seen him in "action" at Fife Council he won't have the same numbers to cushion him and hide behind, although he would have Mr Salmond to prop him and dry his eyes when he is "homesick".
And before somebody says again, NO, I am not a Labour supporter, just sick and tired of the lies I have been hearing from Fife Council.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 12:25:57
105 happy#

No i don't have a problem with it, should i? Do you? If so what is your problem?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 12:27:35
108 sm7531/2

Seems to me Patrick is a little confused. One of those ardent Irish republicans but when based in Scotland for 50 years is an 'Irish Republican Scottish Unionist'..very confusing!
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subrosa,

02/11/2008 12:58:11
I should think that Glenrothes parents, who have children at Mr Roy's school, will be angry because he should be doing the job he was employed to do. Of course labour couldn't find a candidate so Mr Roy stepped into the breech because he's a pal of Gordon Brown.

Who's in charge of his school while he wanders round the area with the London visitors? His pay should be suspended as he's obviously taking leave.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 13:07:03
111 happy#

I have no problem with people being rewarded and recognised and as we live in Britain then it's up to the individual to accept or not, i couldn't care less.

Post independence it will be different of course, the 'Order of Scotland' will have much more cudos i think than those bought for a few quid from the Labour Party don't you think?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 13:08:52
112 sub#

Also who is going to run the school when he takes the lead as Fagan in the musical Oscar; he would be perfect!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 13:11:09
Oliver...
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izzie,

dundee 02/11/2008 13:55:20
It seems to me that whenever the unionist argument is in trouble the Unionist newspapers pull the thread. Just what are they afraid of? As to the topic under consdideration the SNP have already delivered a crushing blow to New Labour reducing a 10,800 majority to the situation where the they are at best neck and neck with the SNP. Whatever the outcome on Thursday - and I hope for the sake of our country that the voters of Glenrothes use their heads - the SNP can claim victory.
Alba Gu Brath
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Earman,

Cyprus 02/11/2008 14:27:44
Sir Sean...knighthood....Mr Salmond overweight...worse off or better off....yadayadayada.

This Nation of ours WILL be independent. This Nation of ours WILL govern itself with dignity and propriety. This Nation of ours WILL make its own mistakes, and this Nation of ours WILL stand or fall by its own merits, decisions and standards.

That much is inevitable, regardless of naysayers, "cannae dae it" merchants and others who, for some inexplicable reason, have absolutely no faith, confidence or trust in their own countrymen to do their utmost to better the lot of all residents of our Nation.

Excuse me if I repeat myself, but, if those posting here and elsewhere in support of the unionist cause/Labour Party truly and in their heart of hearts believe that they and their doctrines have anything...even the tiniest titbit...which could be reasonably described as being remotely POSITIVE in nature to add to the debate, then, for the love of God, state it!

No more negativity. Show yourselves as being both above that and robustly in favour of the general betterment of your countrymen.

This Nation of ours deserves better than ridiculous petty points-scoring and the nonsensical name-calling which flatters itself and its utterers to a level somewhere below Primary School playgrounds.
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mesmiths,

fife 02/11/2008 14:36:29
You just have to laugh at unionists, don't you. They know their arguments are washed up so they resort to lashing out at the likes of Connery and Salmond. Salmond is fat they say......... wow, such insight into politics. Perhaps they forget about their own Chubby Brown.
Besides being 'torso of the week' in heat magazine once did little to make Blair a good Prime minister.


HERE'S HOPING FOR OBAMA AND SNP WINS THIS WEEK!!!!!!!
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Stephanie-Jane,

London 02/11/2008 14:54:13
It is so sad to see some Scots on these threads belittling their own country and their fellow Scots. I just cant understand why they would do that.

There are many opposing political points of view here in England and debate can be at times almost violent.

But never have I heard an Englishman speak ill of England or Englands ability to make her own way in this world.

Having a Scottish grandmother, I was brought up to believe positively about Scotland. The gritty toughness, the honesty, the community spirit and industrial endeavour of the Scots.

So why do some Scots have so little faith in their own country and fellow countrymen?

This simply does not happen in England. Whatever our differences, we are all English, stand together and have faith in each other and our country.

Scotland clearly has the potential to be Independent, like any other country. And post independence, my gran would still be Scottish, England would still be your good neighbor and friend, and the sun would still rise and fall. (yes, I've read the tales of doom and woe).

I'd say it's time for the brave to stand up and make Scotland the proud, independent country it once was.

And those that wont lend their hand should, please, step aside.

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John S,

02/11/2008 14:58:47
#118 izzie.I agree.....considering the SNP have already delivered a crushing blow to New Labour reducing a 10,800 majority to the situation where the they are at best neck and neck with the SNP.
If the SNP reduce that 10,664 majority or increase their percentage of the total votes cast it will show progress by the SNP.
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John S,

02/11/2008 15:11:49
House of Commons debates - Scottish Labour constituency MPs.
They are looking out for Scotland.
13 December 2005...... is so annoyed that ...... party colleagues at Holyrood could reject planning applications for new nuclear power stations that ....... wants the Scotland Act re-opened so that the relevant powers can be taken away from the Scottish Parliament.
2 May 2007.Attacked the SNP in Westminster yesterday, asking Tony Blair: "Do you share my concern that it [cannabis] can lead to mental health problems? Does he [Mr Blair] know how to grow dope - plant a Scottish nationalist?"
23 May 2007 Did not proportional representation give Germany Adolf Hitler? To a lesser degree, we have been given the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond). Can that be a good example?
21 Jun 2007-To ask the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (1) what assessment he has made of the likelihood of securing a majority in the International Whaling Commission for a complete ban on commercial whaling; (2) what measures to protect whales were agreed at the recent International Whaling Commission meeting.
3 Apr 2008- He’s a horror-tell him to bog off!
I am sure an SNP MP would be different looking after Scotlands interests first.
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Earman,

Cyprus 02/11/2008 15:21:10
Number 122.

Not when Westminster decides. Not when Sean Connery decides. Not when I decide. Not when you decide. Not when Mr Salmond decides. Not when Mr Brown decides.

This Nation of ours WILL be independent when the Scottish people decide, regardless of whether that takes years, months, decades or weeks, for they AND THEY ALONE have the power to make that decision.

I for one am perfectly willing to wait any length of time for them to make that decision, and am also perfectly content if they do not make that decision in my lifetime. That is called democracy...a pretty good thing, in my book.

The question you should be asking yourself, my friend, is, when the Scottish people so decide, will YOU be as willing to accept and support that democratic decision, or shall you elect to remain on the side of the nayayers and "cannae dae it" merchants, slavering at the mouth in anticipation of some...indeed, any...catastrophy to befall Scotland and hers?

I sincerely hope it is the former.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 15:58:48
#63 arc

Not only have I placed a bet on them to win, I have also donated to their campaign.


Stand by for an SNP victory in Glenrothes !
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire 02/11/2008 15:58:59
Stephanie-Jane @123, good post and good question. A lot of the reason is due to propaganda which has been used since the act of union,the gaelic language in the highlands and the Scots language in the lowlands, has been decimated as deliberate policy through the education system, and folk have been long brainwashed by the unionist authorities to beleive they are British, rather than Scottish, our good nieghbours in England have not been subject to such propaganda, the use in England of the name Great Britain is still illegal since 1603, therefore folk in England have rightly been brought up to be English, hence the different attitude youve described.
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire 02/11/2008 16:00:34
129 connaughtboy, good on you, i have also donated to the Glenrothes campiagn.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 02/11/2008 16:12:05
#123 Stephanie-Jane,London
"It is so sad to see some Scots on these threads belittling their own country and their fellow Scots. I just cant understand why they would do that."

Yes, that's a tough for some outside of Scotland to crack. Those of us Scots who know the mindset of these people are embarrassed by them. They perceive themselves as would-be Middle-Englanders (fake accents and all), deploring as they do much of what is Scottish. Up to a point. They can deck themselves out in tartanry when the (social) occasion presents itself, then revert to type just as quickly. A plague on them, from Brown and other turncoat phoney-Scots politicians downwards.

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Finlang,

Switzerland 02/11/2008 16:14:29
#132 slip of the fingers ... should read "a tough one ..."
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Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 16:54:13
The latest Snp promotional video has been released on You tube.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xG3D8OMQk&feature=related
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 16:58:21
#93 happy English.

I think you are a little confused. Accepting a knighthood from the Queen and being a true Scot are perfectly compatible.

You really are a moron !
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Queen D,

Glasgow 02/11/2008 17:00:23
Connaughtboy, where can I place a bet?
I tried several different bookies and not one was taking bets.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 17:00:28
#100 I challenge you to post a link to where Salmond said what you attribute to him in your post.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

02/11/2008 17:04:21
The Scottish National Anthem.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KgUbNKaSt0A&feature=related
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Queen D,

Glasgow 02/11/2008 17:09:50
'We will win this seat ... not by a landslide but I am convinced we will win it'
GLENROTHES BY-ELECTION: First Minister Alex Salmond
Thats for the pathetic mis quoting numpty in Coatbridge.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 17:13:33
#138 Queen

Are you serious? What reason did they give?

I placed my bet with Ladbrokes some weeks ago.
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 02/11/2008 17:35:08
Salmond? Fat chancer.
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Media 1,

cape town 02/11/2008 17:38:49
Salmond = Pointless
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 17:47:25
144
Robert Mason, Larkhall.

Didn't I meet you when you were on pilgrimage to Lourdes?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 17:58:46
#145 Childish post, again !
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Stephanie-Jane,

London 02/11/2008 18:19:03
Rufus firefly,

You mock Scotland constantly and as an outside observer it is clear to me that your sole aim is to upset people.

You come across as so against anything positive pertaining to Scotland it is inconceivable, to me at least, that you could be Scottish.

I'm not that old, I'm a student, but you seem incredibly immature.

In short, I doubt you are Scottish and I seriously doubt you are an adult.
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Stephanie-Jane,

02/11/2008 18:20:32
Here is a better version of the Scottish National Anthem.

I watch some of the matches with my gran.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBEWyZZq3zA&feature=related
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 02/11/2008 18:28:51
May not be a crushing defeat. Any old defeat will do for an idiot who thinks that an oil-rich country needs to go begging to Arab states for money from - oil.

What a spendthrift numpty. What a dunce. Scotland could hardly do any worse than under the current regime. Maybe the Tories could be better but not by the evidence of the last time hey were in power. Why not admit we could do better for once? Imagine if Scottish people could reap the benefits for a change instead of doffing their caps to those corrupt, snouts in trough politicians at Westminster?
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 18:51:33
Conan
146 Conan the Lib

Have you noticed that the Robert Mason who claims to be from Larkhall and the Patrick O'Reilly who claims to be from Coatbridge always appear on a site together?

Is this meant to convey the breadth of support for unionism in Scotland?
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Nikostratos,,

02/11/2008 19:03:15
#148 Stephanie-Jane,


Adult there are no adults here...this 'The Scotsman'..You want Adult best go to the 'Herald'
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willyam7,

leadhills. 02/11/2008 19:16:28
the looney lanarkshire slab mafia, in conjunction with council unions are issueing council employees with a mandate to sign up to the proudense brown,s brittishness agenda and failure to comply could be detromental to your employment.
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 19:38:08
Read through this article twice now to see where Alex predicts a 'crushing' victory.

He didn't.

Oh well - headline completely unrelated to story. Nothing new there.

I think it will be tight but we might just do it.

Labour is running a completely negative campaign. They have learned nothing and they are going way over the top. As well as the usual scaremongering (SNP want to empty the jails and release violent and dangerous criminals) they are putting out a leaflet which states that Fife Council under the SNP no longer helps disabled people.

It's a bit like the US campaign where Obama is running a pretty positive campaign and McCain's is almost entirely negative. Let's hope we get a positive result in both.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 19:50:55
Miss H, # 156

Salmond has declared victory then that is that!
When is he going to have his independence referendum so that he can declare victory there too?
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 19:53:16
134 What are you talking about?

'Little' European countries like Sweden have the lowest rates of poverty in the world. You want to ask the people of Glenrothes (or anywhere else in Scotland) if they would like to live in a country where no-one goes cold because they can't afford their heating bills or would they prefer to live in a country with a massive underclass, endemic poverty and inequality but hey, we've got nuclear weapons, troops in Iraq and a seat on the Security Council?

What do you think their answer would be?
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:00:47
157 No he hasn't. He said that he thinks we are nearly there and that we are pulling away from Labour.

I agree with him. I think we are probably going to win but it will be a tight tight result.

Everybody knows that when it comes to an election that could be decided by 500 votes one way or another it could go either way.

But I agree with Alex that we are better organised. Labour's campaign has not appeared particularly effective on the ground. They have run a good poster campaign but I don't believe they have the data to do an effective knock up.

I have seen Lindsay Roy a number of times out and about but always surrounded by twenty or so Labour activists, never talking to voters. They must be scared to let him off the leash. They are banking on winning by running an extremely negative campaign. As with the 2007 Scottish Parliament elections I don't think that is enough to give them the victory.
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Scimitar1,

Alba (for now). 02/11/2008 20:01:33
A crushing victory for Salmond and a complete disaster for Scotland. Salmond is the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing; his brand of "civic" nationalism should be seen as a very damaging development. I don’t give two hoots about Independence either way, but the thought of a party with such extreme leftist views implementing government policy worries me greatly.

Annabel Goldie should resign ASAP she is clearly making no impact at the ballot box. Our democracy needs a right of centre alternative to act as a bulwark against rampant Socialism. We need a charismatic person leading a party to promote the true values of the Scots; hard work, enterprise and strong family values.

Salmond and Brown share the same credos i.e. big government, welfarism , mult-cult nationalism/socialism and uncontrolled mass-immigration.

Such a hellish prospect, no wonder 65k hard working Scots professionals voted with their feet last year and got out.
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:05:08
160 You could set up a party like that and they might get at least 4% of the vote. Up to you if you want to try.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:06:43
Miss H # 159

Who is funding this latest SNP campaign?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/11/2008 20:10:01
162#

Russian oligarchs, didn't you know?
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:10:21
162 Me and about 15,000 other SNP members.

The party levies the branches to pay for by-elections plus contacting every member to ask for donations. It pays for itself really because we all have a stake in the outcome.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:11:12
Miss H # 161

How many of the people who are campaigning for the SNP in Glenrothes are unemployed and in receipt of benefit?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:11:54
Miss H # 165

I doubt you can prove that.
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:14:09
167 Prove what?

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:19:29
#155 huffy english

My, that got under your skin !

In what way am I a hypocrite?

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:23:23
#162 "Who is funding this latest SNP campaign?"

We are. Why do you ask?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:24:23
Miss H # 168

Where the funds for the Glenrothes campaign come from.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:25:43
#167 Are you a bit deranged? Just wondered !
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:26:27
I have told you. You can read it for yourself in 3 months time as the election expenses are published.

All election expenditure is very tightly regulated. All expenses have to be declared and so do all donations.

(Election expenses are not a Wendy Alexander-friendly electoral commission job incidentally. People have gone to jail for fiddling their election expenses, so there is no messing about or ‘genuine mistakes’ allowed).
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:27:31
#174 This is fascinating. I think I can see where you are going with this so get a move on please !
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:27:38
176 Genuinely have no idea what you are going on about.

If you have a problem with living in a small country suggest it is your problem!
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 02/11/2008 20:29:15
If the population of Glenrothes votes in a nationalist MP then it reflects what an empty drum they feel the need to beat at a time when Scotland and its financial services sector are taking "a helluva beating" that has only been secured through its involvement within the framework of the United Kingdom. Salmond and his ilk have changed their tune on the merger of the BofS to Lloyds/TSB so many times they are really not fit to be left in charge to govern this small nation of ours. Leaving aside whether or not any small nation is able to govern itself (a fact nobody would deny anybody) the fact is that we can weather this storm in a united way, 'cause divided we might very well fall.

If Glenrothes serves up a nationalist victory then it shows they still don't appreciate the fact that communism was also a failed card to play many years ago. On the other hand if sufficient voters decide to vote for a UK minded party then it might just show they have realised the difference between rhetoric and action.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:29:26
Col. Blimp­IV* # 171

They are not actively seeking employment while they are stuffing SNP "literature" through doors, are they?
I think the DHSS should investigate and take action where appropriate, don't you?
The SNP have a history of threatening people who disapprove of them, are you going to make me move to Tibet if Scotland ever becomes "independent?" If so, I suggest that you will have a fight on your hands, as there are a lot of people who do not like the SNP in Scotland and none of them are Quislings!
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Miss H,

02/11/2008 20:29:47
178 I have no idea where he is going and can't be bothered waiting to find out. I leave it to you to enlighten his darkness!
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Breezy,

Argyll 02/11/2008 20:30:44
#148. Personally, I always thought of Rufus T Firefly as being Lord Watson.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:31:10
#176 How about a league of wealth per capita. The UK is a couple of divisions below Ireland and Norway and are in the relegation zone !
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:32:56
#180 That is delusional nonsense !
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:34:05
connaughtboy # 175

Why would people who oppose the SNP be deranged?
Oh yes, the old Soviet tactic, if you you oppose the regime you should be put in an asylum.
If the SNP wants to use that tactic they should try it, mow!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:34:49
#182 Miss H

Don't blame you !
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 20:36:41
Miss H # 177

I suggest that the SNP election campaign is being funded by the use of enemployed people and not as you suggest by subscriptions from members.
Is the SNP paying expenses to the unemployed that they are using?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:37:19
#181 Whoa, cowboy.

Even employed people have free time so why deny this to the unemployed?

Incidently, do you apply the same criteria to leafletter from all the other parties?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 20:42:25
#186 It wasn't clear from your posts whether you were pro or anti SNP. However, your oblique style of debating means that no-one on here has a scooby what you are talking about.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 20:57:58
191
Och Dan.

Where would you rather live?

NZ, Denmark or Russia?
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 21:00:19
Good Evening Col.

I'll trade you my pesky kitchen, for your pesky garage.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 21:01:00
connaughtboy # 189, 190

What is oblique about a direct question?
I think that if other organisations are using unemployed people to deliver their leaflets that should be scrutinised too.
I can't help wondering, in an independent Scotland, what Salmond would do with benefit recipients who were campaigning for opposition parties, assuming their were opposition parties in Salmond's utopia?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:01:05
#191 daniel

Your logic is all over the place. On one hand you say we live in a country of 60 million people (I assume you are talking about the UK) and then you go on to say that Scotland has a massive voice compared to Denmark. How do you reconcile those two statements? Clearly, Scotland has very little of a voice at the moment as it is represented internationally by the London Government. A Government that has consulted the Scottish Government even less than before because the SNP had the temerity to win the election last year.

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Dave Gordon.,

http://www.OddPolitics.com 02/11/2008 21:03:50
Labour have slipped from evens to 6/4 with one of the online bookies, in about £4,000 of new bets taken today alone. The slipping SNP odds are shifting back, for some reason.

Odd Politics...
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 21:04:35
Col. Blimp­IV* # 192

I can assure you that scum, cowards like you will not chase me from Scotland. There will be vigorous opposition in spite of SNP attempts to turn Scotland into a one party state.
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Marian,

02/11/2008 21:07:13
New Labour are spinning like mad every day now to try and influence the outcome of the Glenrothes By-election.

Their internal polling is telling them that they are going to lose Glenrothes to the SNP.

They have already gone as far as analysing their own failures.

See http://www.scribd.co
m/doc/7698602/Labour
-Cllr-Minutes for the details of what a shambles the Fife Labour constituency party members think the once proud Labour party has become under first Blair and now Brown's "New" Labour branding.

New Labour is in terminal decline and there's nothing they can do but spin and spin to try and delay the inevitable demise of their political party.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:08:38
#195 CW

Why the need to quiz us about SNP campaign funds? Why not just give us your view, however mis-guided it is?

You seem to have an irrational hatred of Alec Salmond, who is generally recognised as one of the best politicians of the moment. Even by his rivals.

You lack balance by singling out the SNP leafletters when the same accusation could be levelled at all of the parties. This only occurs to you when your clear bias is highlighted and you then retrospectively include all "other organisations".

You throw silly communist insults at Salmond when it is clear that you have no basis for doing so.

So, yes, you do seem a bit rabid to me.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 21:11:17
198
Churchill W.

Have you fortified your hoose?

Against scum and cowards.

Better make sure.

Anyone with a red rosette, pop a round off at them.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:12:40
#198 You are one scary person.

Any evidence for the "one party state" accusation?
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Calvinist,

02/11/2008 21:17:51
But Salmond said the Glenrothes seat had been an SNP target for many years, long before it came up for grabs with the untimely death of sitting Labour MP John MacDougall.

i.e. They have been gleefully indulging in 'shroud-waving' ever since the predicament of John McDougall was known. Salmond can't even be honest about this.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:24:13
#206 Calvinist

This would be the same John McDougall who Gordon Brown had transported from his sick bed, when seriously ill, simply to save face in the House of Commons.

And you talk about honesty?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 21:26:01
206, Calvinist. The paper said it came up for grabs. Salmond said it had been a target for many years.

Which statement do you consider to be the least distasteful?

Silly question as I already know the answer.
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Scimitar1,

Alba (for now) 02/11/2008 21:28:33
169 - sm (simple mind).

Could it be that you are one of welfare guzzlers I adhered to in the original post and the reason you took umbrage ?

The current recession was caused by Nulab's laissez faire attitude to credit through a hands off regulation process done for purely socialist reasons. The rest of your post is gibberish.

Salmond often quotes Ireland as an example , but Ireland does perfectly well spending 24% of it's GDP on public services as opposed to Scotland's 42%.As a consequence the public sector is NOT crowded out and private enterprise flourishes; the very essence of a successful economy. There is no welfarism in Ireland, unemployment benefit is paid for those looking for work only, and as a result REAL unemployment is low with no dependency culture This is the medicine this country needs . Something to ponder on while reading your DAS CAPITAL and dreaming about your socialist utopia.
Cheers , keep dreaming ,small mind.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 21:28:40
sm 7531/2 # 200

The SNP hasn't said what they will do with the unemployed, for all we know about SNP plans, there probably will be no unemployment benefit. That has to bother people like you!
On the other hand there might be extra benefits for SNP supporters, a few extra days pay for delivering nationalist propaganda, perhaps?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 21:33:23
Scimitar1 # 211

I would love to be a "welfare guzzler," like you, but, it does not support my lifestyle. Neither could Salmond's utopia support my reality.
Salmond is supposed to be an economist, does he know anything about economics though? His peurile utterances indicate no!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 21:38:19
danielrober. Your big/little Scotland is a stony ground soundbite.

It works better from the reality point of view - which is the independence point of view.

Do you mind if I borrow it?
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 21:45:40
206 Calvinist

Do you want to tell us more about John McDougall's predicament and what help he, and others with the same problem, obtained from the Labour Government?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 21:47:58
sm 7531/2 # 217

You have told us about the past, tell us about the future in Salmond's utopia.
Salmond says that fuel bills in Glenrothes are too high, what does he say that they their level should be? What will the minimum wage be in an independent Scotland? Will fuel bills be lower and wages higher? Exactly what will the benefits be of adopting his plans, ideas, aspirations? If there are no perceptable benefits, what is he for?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:49:50
#212 Churchill, foaming at the mouth again?

There is so much hatred in him/her !
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Stephanie-Jane,

London. 02/11/2008 21:49:59
Churchill W

If you are going to talk such infantile nonsense could you please choose another name, like RavingLoonieTunes or something, and refrain from smearing the good name of a fine Englishman.

How dare you try to associate yourself with someone so great. He would probably have had you shot for something or other, and rightly so.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 21:53:36
#215 Read this:

"Salmond is supposed to be an economist, does he know anything about economics though? His peurile utterances indicate no!"

What a silly statement.

Your logic goes something like this:

Salmond is a qualified economist but he knows nothing about economics.

Eh? As I said earlier, you appear a bit odd. This just confirms it !
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 21:59:32
219 Churchill

"Salmond says the fuel bills in Glenrothes are too high"

Do you agree/disagree with him?

If you agree with him what do you think the UK Government should do about the situation?

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brownlie,

02/11/2008 22:01:05
224 daniel

Influence over whom? Opportunities to do what?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 22:01:39
#224 daniel

Although you haven't really defined what you mean by "influence" your opinion may well be correct. As for opportunities, I think you are on far less safe ground with that argument. I happen to believe that Scotland could generate more opportunities for itself as an independent nation than currently.

That is maybe separates the naysayers from the entrepreuners.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:02:44
Stephanie-Jane # 222

Greatness is in the eye of the beholder. Who do you think you are?

connaughtboy # 223

Your attempts at provocation are too obvious to be worthy of answer.
Why don't you ask Salmond what he thinks the level of fuel bills should be in Glenrothes and what the minimum wage will be in his independent utopia.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:06:51
brownlie # 225

What does Salmond say that the level of fuel prices should be in Glenrothes? He doesn't say because he is a hypocrite, he supports the right of big business to exploit the working population, but, says that their prices are too high. Yeah, right!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 22:08:39
#228 I think Stephanie-Jane summed you up perfectly.

You talk pure mince !
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/11/2008 22:11:18
#228 More questions, no opinions. I give up on you.
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 22:15:52
229 Churchill

Can you answer my questions at 225 please?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:16:01
connaughtboy # 230

Strange concept that, a rabid nationalist such as you joining with some bimbo from London to criticise a Scottish patriot.
You are proof that Salmond's supporters are not interested in having the difficult questions about Salmond's project answered, on behalf of the Scottish people.
Do you know what mince is, because you are swimming it if you believe what Salmond tells you?
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:19:49
brownlie, # 232

You answer my question, what do nationalists think that the level of fuel prices should be in Glenrothes?

Salmond will not answer that question, why not?
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 22:22:34
234 churchill

I'm sure if you asked him he would answer that question.

As he is not here, I agree with him that the fuel prices in Glenrothes and in my neck of the woods are extremely high.

Do you agree?
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 22:25:21
235 daniel

You still haven't said what he would like to influence. Do you mean like the disadvantageous and disastrous fishing policy that the UK used their influence to obtain while the Scottish representative was sitting in the corridor.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:32:33
brownlie # 236

Fuel prices are high everywhere, what is Salmond going to do about them, do you agree that he can do nothing?
Will Salmond raise the minimum wage in Scotland to contend with internationally high fuel prices in his independent utopia?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 22:32:49
224, danielrober. Thank you. I shall now demonstrate how I would use it.

Some people talk about bigScotland/littleScotland. I talk about Scotland.

Unionists talk about bigScotland, meaning smallScotland in the UK - a wee entity trying to be a big entity, posing on the world stage as anything other than the fallen superpower it is in reality.

Scottish nationalists talk of Scotland. The only smallScotland is the bigScotland within the UK - that former world power who will not retire gracefully.
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john z,

edinburgh 02/11/2008 22:37:52
Scotland is also an oil rich state (producing as much as kuwait), though a foreign country (England) controls it, and takes the cash.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:40:02
Jock Tamson # 239

Just as well you are not in a position to exercise any influence, because you talk no known language.
On the other hand, are you Salmond's policy advisor, there are clear similarities with your load of old pony and his...
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 22:42:00
238 Churchill

As Salmond can do nothing about it, at present, are you quite content to say that the people of Glenrothes will just have to put up with high fuel bill as part of the union dividend.

Do you consider that those who, at present, can do something about it should do so?

Do you consider that if even one pensioner dies in Glenrothes this year through hypothermia that Gordon will lose any sleep over it?

Do you think the money that is spend on invading countries and on nuclear weapons would be better spent on the bare necessities of life?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 22:44:53
241, Churchill. On, yes.

That's assuming you are the nodding dog in the commercials.

Btw. I don't want your pawtograph.
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john z,

edinburgh 02/11/2008 22:46:04
As regards comments stating here is not much support for Independence. Well, of course it is well known that when most of the media in a country is biased , it is difficult for democracy to work effectively.

Here's a question, just imagine Scotland had always been independent, and someone suggested that Scotland should give up control of its own country, hand it over to another country, and Scots should pay their taxes to that other country. Then once a year, people in Scotland would ask for some money back from that other country.

How much support do you think there would be for it???

The fact is, that politicians and the biased, undemocractic media in Scotland all know that in reality for a decision to change the status quo, around a third is actually very, very high. I still can see no benefit of Scotland paying all it owns and earns to England, then annually going on its knees to England to ask for some money.

There is NO union benefit. None at all. It is just one of the last vestiges of colonialism.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 22:59:26
brownlie # 242

You are attempting to trivialise these issues and you know it. The defence of Scotland is not different to that of the UK. Otherwise why would so many Scots join the British forces as servicemen? Nuclear weapons are not for use in todays circumstances, but, as weapons of last resort in circumstances as yet unforseen. Do you seriously think that any government wants to use them?
High fuel prices are not a consequence of any union dividend, but, of internationally traded fuel commodities. Are you suggesting that Salmond would not sell "Scottish" oil on the world market, but, would keep it for the sole use of heating Scottish houses and running Scottish cars?
I really don't think you are perceptive enough to imagine what keeps Gordon Brown awake at nights, but, it will be of more consequence than anything that might disturb the sleep of Salmond. While Salmond is planning his sneering snipes at Gordon Brown, he is not concerning himself with the worries of the Scottish people, but, how he can project himself.
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Churchill W.,

02/11/2008 23:03:03
Jock Tamson # 243

I can see why Salmond gives you a good using, he thinks you are funny...
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 23:13:08
246, Churchill Woof.,

Do you know why I think you are funny? In a peculiar sense.

It's because you come out with a line like that as a response.
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brownlie,

02/11/2008 23:13:58
245 churchill

According to you I'm not perceptive enough to imagine what Gordon Brown thinks but, rather modesty, you regard yourself as perceptive enough to know what Alex Salmond thinks.

I don't think the loss of any human life is a matter that can be trivialised and if Brown is not concerned about the loss of lives, British, American or Iraqi in the invasion which he funded with our money then he is not going to be worried about a pensioner in Glenrothes.

Why do Scots join the British army? I should imagine it's because there is no Scottish army and I'm sure a lot of them sign on out of economic necessity.

You're right that high fuel costs are not a union dividend' - it is a punitive measure in that a substantial part of fuel costs in this country are down to the level of tax put on it by the UK Government.

In order to address the concerns of the Scottish people Salmond has to "project" himself and he does so more successfully than Brown, Darling or anyone else in new Labour's ranks.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2008 23:19:10
Btw, Churchill@245, you really are full of condescending spin.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/11/2008 23:29:35
224
Of course not Dan.

We would have different opportunities.

More suited to Scotland, rather than London.

Bugle sounding in the background.
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Daveunderwater,

Auchter Turra 02/11/2008 23:58:33
What's the difference between Prime Minister and First Minister?

Salmond was voted in

Brown Wasn't

LOL
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Hadrian,

Tillicoultry 03/11/2008 22:54:27
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article1884164.ece

The latest union dividend...??

 

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