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Published Date: 13 July 2008
LABOUR is heading for victory in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, but the SNP has slashed the party's lead from the last time voters went to the polls.

An ICM poll for the Sunday Telegraph of 500 voters in the constituency put Labour on 47% of the vote and the SNP on 33%.

In 2005, the then Labour MP David Marshall won with 60% of the vote, compared with the SNP's mere 17%.

Labour Party chief
s last night said the poll finding actually over-inflated their own estimation of support on the ground.

The SNP leader Alex Salmond immediately described the result as "fantastic" for the Nationalists, claiming the party could easily make up the 14% gap between now and next Thursday. The SNP was quick to point to a poll from 1988 published three days before the Govan by-election that year which put Labour 20% ahead of the SNP. The party went on to win a few days later by 12%.

Nevertheless, the findings will be met with relief by Labour party chiefs who believe that the catastrophic flight of Labour voters as seen in the recent Crewe and Nantwich by-election is not being replicated in Glasgow.

The party's own canvassers on the ground believe their vote is holding steady, with the main problem continuing to be how to persuade Labour voters to come out and vote.

Behind the SNP, the Liberal Democrats are on 9% and the Conservatives on 7%.

Some Labour MPs have suggested that if the party loses Glasgow East, Brown could be forced out of Number 10 ahead of Labour's annual conference, which takes place in Manchester in September.

ICM conducted the poll after Labour selected its candidate, Margaret Curran, following the fiasco last weekend when the original favourite pulled out at the last minute. The SNP challenger is John Mason.

ICM Research interviewed a random sample of 516 adults aged 18+ by telephone on July 10-11. Interviews were conducted across the political constituency of Glasgow East and the results have been weighted to the profile of adults who live there.

Yesterday, the SNP's standard bearer Winnie Ewing said a victory for the Nats in the by-election will "make London sit up and listen to Scotland". She said victory would provide the same kind of boost for the SNP as it did 40 years ago after her own seminal success.

"Winning the Hamilton by-election in 1967 made the London Government sit up and take notice of Scotland," said Ewing.





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  • Last Updated: 12 July 2008 11:33 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

John S,

13/07/2008 08:14:09
Glasgow East by-election.
Labour's excuse for the non-appearance of Gordon Brown has been by convention "prime ministers don't do by-elections".
Uxbridge by-election, 1997-Labour's campaign included a visit by Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Eddisbury by-election, 1999-Prime Minister Tony Blair went to the constituency to campaign.
Hamilton South by-election, 1999-Personal appearances by Prime Minister Tony Blair, Gordon Brown.
Glasgow East by-election, 2008-Where's Gordon Brown ?
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

13/07/2008 08:27:55
This poll rsult is, of course impossible, and the result of biased reporting by Unionist traitors in the media who will face the people's justice come the great day.

All true patriots are called up on to come out to Easterhouse in ordee to wander around with stickers and leaflets - making sure their cars are parked in a safe place, because this is "special" territory. Those who can't get out are urged to cross their fingers, to shut their eyes tight, and to wish REALLY HARD.

Now let's see if we can't get three hundred comments slagging off Margaret Curran in this column and the relevant one in the Sunday Herald before lunchtime.
3

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 13/07/2008 09:27:36
"Anna" Margaret Curran has claimed that she lived in East Glasgow "all my life", when confronted with the fact that she has actually lived in well to do areas of South Glasgow for the past 21 years, she explained that she "has a family" and couldn't consider raising her children in a place like East Glasgow.

Its seems that East Glasgow is only fit for Labour voters and not for Labour politicians.

Brown has ordered all the MPs north to campaign in Glasgow. Which makes me wonder how many of these Labour trough swillers will actually show up.

Can you see Jacqui from the Home Office walking around Easterhouse when she is afraid to walk the streets in Peckham? Not without an Armed Police escort.

This may be historical Labour territory, but after their self serving vote to retain their John Lewis allowances, many must live in fear that the greeting they are likely to get on peoples door steps is not a handshake but a Glaswegian Kiss.
4

Richard M,

Scottish Raj 13/07/2008 10:19:37
It's Labour's to lose, but clearly Salmond's honeymoon is coming to an end as well. Even the Tories are starting to climb in the opinion polls. The Lib Dems are just Labour's country cousins and are going nowhere. Something very strange is happening
5

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 10:24:20
If the snp fail to win this seat then Alex's rhetoric will be shown to be just a load of baloney. Coming close and no cigar is not good enough that will show the 'Nationalist' project of Independence is as far from being achieved as it was 70 years ago.

Given all the snp and their supporters claims(over and over) of massive support of the will of the scottish people........Them my prediction is a win for the snp.......on july 25th we will all know
6

Americanbob,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 10:25:23
#'s 2&3 "Freedom"
You've been posting the same story at every opportunity for a week now, I think we get the point!
Incidentally, I did a poll of my own this morning, I asked my cat, my dog and a frog in the garden who was gonna win in Glasgow and it showed 66% in favour of the Nats. You can't trust those French.
7

Americanbob,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 10:27:30
By the way, my goldfish was a floating voter!
8

bluehead,

edinburgh 13/07/2008 10:30:37
if they won they would still lose if the majority is cut substantially,with so many on marginal seats,many MP'are just waiting to go down.
labour are finished they have had their chips,so to speak.
9

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 10:35:41
what is the snp or indeed any nationalist supporters view on images such as this showing Gordon brown being hanged.




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10

Pink Sombrero,

13/07/2008 10:39:36
12. Reminds me of the Sun "noose" headline last year on election day
11

Ubi,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 10:44:37
It will be very difficult to overcome the cruel despair sown by Labour. Make people so dependent on the state that they have no choice but to perpetuate it.
12

cardonx78,

West Lothian 13/07/2008 10:46:20
Hudoan:
"LABOUR is heading for victory in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, but the SNP has slashed the party's lead from the last time voters went to the polls".
Sorry, I thought I was on the Daily Record's website.
I'll get my coat.
The Scotsman's decline continues to have startle value, amazing really.

13

The Gillie,

esbjerg 13/07/2008 10:49:42
I grew up in the East end of Glasgow and the best thing i ever did was get out and move abroad. The rest of my family now live in Inverness and Nairn and they have never had it so good.
If labour win there again then i can only say that the the residents there deserve their poverty and i have no sympathy with or for them. If they won,t help themselvs Let them drown in their squalor.
14

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 10:57:19
#17 spooky

Thats not right and u know it for any political party it OTTT.......

If that was alex salmond what would u say then eh
15

lulach mac gille coemgain,

13/07/2008 11:00:02
These ‘crystal ball’ polls are a load of jobbies !

16

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 13/07/2008 11:03:50
Not like the Scotsman to get it wrong, wasn't 516 voters or something, such a massive difference like that might be important!

Nikostratus, and you can prove beyond a doubt of course that it was a Nat who came up with the picture.

So far in this by-election we have had nothing from unionists but the usual tactics, fear and smear.
17

Rodster,

Glasgow 13/07/2008 11:05:06
#12 Nick the Dick
As they say Hingin is too good for him!
18

Pink Sombrero,

13/07/2008 11:13:19
19. That is what I get for borrowing one of your hats
19

subrosa,

13/07/2008 11:17:18
# 4

Fifi is there parking available near the SNP offices? I'm coming down Tuesday with a friend and don't have a clue where to park.
20

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 11:21:44
Broon can't lower himself to visit Glasgow East/South as he is a world statesman!

Went to a £1000/head New Labour Sleaze fundraising meal

He told the OPEC members to increase production, and consequently bring down prices.

Friday crude prices highest ever!

He told Nato members to increase their troop numbers in Afghanistan.

Totally ignored.

Did a deal with Russia re sanctions against Zimbabwe.

Russia and China veto sanctions.

Nationalised Northern Rock to the tune of £150 BILLION
to stabilise the market.

Now more volatile than ever!

Yes, just like Wendy - A towering intellect!!!
God help us
21

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 13/07/2008 11:27:59
Interesting to compare the headline in the Sunday post today,with this heasdline:The Sunday post headline is:

Labour Poll Lead Crumbles

I am glad that their is a swing to the SNP and that they are not peaking too soon.Generally in by elections momentum builds up in the final 3 days.
22

IC,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 11:32:38
#25 Fair comment. While the Nationalists are the most likely culprits for producing this tasteless picture, there are probably more than a few potential candidates from within the Labour party as well such as anyone with the surname Blair, or how about Peter Mandelson?

At least we can be sure it wasn't the Tories this time, as Gordon Brown is the best thing that's happened to them since 1997.

The irony of this picture is that GB has frequently demonstrated in the past year that if given enough rope he's perfectly capable of hanging himself!
23

chico y,

13/07/2008 11:39:56
It's win win for SNP

If Liebore scrape home it will be with a much reduced majority. Brown will be further damaged but will hang on. And every day he's in power the stronger the SNP become and the Tories down South.

However, the poll shows that SNP are closing in on them and this will highlight to Tory and Libdems that they can vote tactically to finish the job. Also many of these liebore supporters who were polled on the phone will be too lazy to turn up on the day and only said it because "my faither and his faither before him voted Labour".

Fifty years of running the place down and Liebore still manage to scare and oppress so many into backing them, though they are starting to wise up now.

If the SNP mobilise all their support this seat could still fall.

Either scenario SNP win or narrow defeat would be good. Can't see Liebore winning by more than 3000

24

unbiased,

13/07/2008 12:06:58
How many of the poor in Glasgow East can afford a landline and are therefore in the telephone directory?
25

Pink Sombrero,

13/07/2008 12:12:51
I see Ciderman has had comments on the other thread closed won for repeatedly posting swearing, abusive and racist posts. If he pops up here he is best ignored, he is clearly unstable
26

John S,

13/07/2008 12:22:45
No by-elections have been held during the Parliament summer recess since 1979 unless:- Recess Elections Act 1975
(a)because he has died or elevated to the House of Lords either during the recess or before it;
(b)because he has accepted a disqualifying office during the recess;
As David Marshall doesn't come under(a) because he is alive and hasn't been elevated to the House of Lords,will this be a first where an sitting MP has caused a by-election to be held during the summer recess because of illness declared before the recess ?
The other condition(c)for holding a by-election during recess is when the MP becomes bankrupt.
27

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 12:28:48
#32 Suomi,

Shame you cant vote eh? still thinking about it u can't in any Scottish election can u?.....answer no......
why don't u pay attention to whats going on in Finland at the end of the day that's your homeland not Scotland.

#37 Pink Sombrero

calls himself/herself Pink Sombrero and says others are unstable

#38 spook

"Agreed and good advice"

Agony aunt spook.......u been down the gym lately yesterday i dun 125kg bench press.......135kg squat.....and 80kg standing press

and i woz tired........
28

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 13/07/2008 12:29:54
Richard M,Scottish Raj 13/07/2008 10:19:37
"It's Labour's to lose, but clearly Salmond's honeymoon is coming to an end as well."

What are you blethering about? The SNP's national opinion poll rating for a Westminster election went past Labour for the first time (with YouGov that is).

In a way, you are correct. The SNP's popularity is no longer a honeymoon, it's a marriage. The SNP are the natural party of government in Scotland!
29

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 12:46:45
Salmond hit by 'cash for cronies' row

comments closed bit like they did to wendy's............oh dear whats Alex's been up to?

30

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 13/07/2008 12:49:17
#40 Sorry to disapoint you Nikostatus,I can vote in Scotland.Unfortunately not in Glasgow East but thats the same for most people.
31

Nikostratos,

13/07/2008 12:53:28
#42

drop the reps 6 to 10 and concentrate imagine u are trying to press more than a unionist.or are you more into cardiovascular training u know lean and mean
32

brownlie,

Harris 13/07/2008 13:10:16
46 The Spook

Stop it, you're making me feel tired!

By the way, your Frankie Howerd impersonation is getting better. I hope the Pink Sombrero is impressed.

Our Margaret illustrates precisely why unionism is heading for the door in Scotland - despite my best efforts.
33

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 13:25:04
I just watched the Politics Show, with the much anticipated debate between the candidates.

What a let-down!!

The first 10 minutes were about a huffy Labour activist - a non story.

Then the main show!!

The Red Harridan totally dominated and ruined it with her constant interruptions, with the clown introducing it doing nothing to stop her.

The other 3 displayed dignity but never had a chance against the banshee and the BBC man.

Finally rounded off by him asking about the price of eggs and milk!!!

Amateurish and puerile!


The BBC showed their true colours - disgraceful!!!
34

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13/07/2008 13:37:09
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35

A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

13/07/2008 14:37:33
http://tinyurl.com/6ldsug

Headline News from The Sunday Post.
Massive swing to SNP in Glasgow East by-election

Labour poll lead crumbles

By Campbell Gunn

Alex Salmond, Winnie Ewing and John Mason at a rally in the East End of Glasgow.A SHOCK poll in Glasgow East has seen a 15 per cent swing from Labour to the SNP in the first week of the by-election campaign.

The ICM poll conducted on Thursday and Friday has found support for Labour at 47 per cent, the SNP on 33 per cent, with the Liberal Democrats on eight per cent and the Conservatives on seven.

At the last General Election, Labour had 61 per cent, the SNP 17 per cent, with the Liberal Democrats on 12 per cent and the Conservatives seven.

Relieved

While Labour will be relieved to be still in the lead, SNP campaigners claim a 15 per cent swing in the first week of the campaign sees them most of the way to overturning the Labour majority.

The SNP require a 22 per cent swing to take the seat, previously held by Labour veteran MP David Marshall, who resigned due to ill-health.

SNP leader Alex Salmond said he was delighted with the poll. “We’re more than two-thirds of the way to victory with 10 days to go,” he said.

He pointed out the weekend before Jim Sillars’s victory in Govan 20 years ago, Labour was ahead 53 per cent to 33 per cent.

“Massive swing”

The SNP leader added, “This is a massive swing to us in the first week of the campaign. Our campaign is rolling and Labour don’t have the people to stop us.”

SNP candidate John Mason added, “We’ve come so far in a very short time and it will move every day.

“We’ve already canvassed more than 10,000 people and in the last couple of days in particular the vote is moving to us.”

Meanwhile, Labour’s top brass were yesterday accused of hiding from the campaign.

While a string of top SNP, Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians have been supporting their candidates, none of Labour’s big guns has shown face.

The Tor
36

A TRUELY SCOTTISH WARRIOR BRAVE AND STRONG,

13/07/2008 14:46:26
Just had to take some Rennies for the dry boak after watching the non event Politics show with Curran and co. She is even worse and appears to be incoherent at times. Screeching and interrupting every one, she is so odious.

But the worst thing was the Glen Campbell story which wasted 20 minutes of time going over a non story from some disgruntled Labour activist who tried to make a story of victimisation and legal challenges to a grant made and withdrawn and made again, by some bungling civil servant, for a Govanhill law center.

Glen Cambpell who was so convinced he had finally "got" the SNP even went to Edinburgh to report it, and was left with egg all over his face when it was announced by the SNP that the grants were confirmed. He was really pissed of.

BBC Scotland continue to be a pathetic joke.
37

SNP hypocrisy,

13/07/2008 14:55:35
Salmond is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks the SNP can swing this. He'd need the combined vote of the Tories and the Lib-Dems to even squeek past Labour's strong and historic lead, and there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Let's all laugh at Salmond, let's all laugh at Salmond, ha ha ha ha - ha ha ha ha...
38

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 14:57:35
Any word of when all the sordid details of ex-MP Marshall's financial embezzlement and fraud will be made public??

I've asked under FOI but can't get the gory details until August 18th.

The electorate in Glasgow East deserve to know how their New Labour Sleaze 'champion' has been looking after them!!!!
39

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 15:05:17
The Politics Show was not very good, but then none of the candidates are very good either. That was not a debate, just typically unprofessional from BBC Scotland - they should watch the last French presidential TV debate between the two rounds of the election featuring Segolene Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy to see how it is really done. Remit being let M. Curran speak as much as possible. Remit fulfilled. Curran pretending that she is not an establishment figure (a figure of the labour establishment is enough) and Mason - yet another religious nutter. I'm sorry to say this, but even as a supporter and member of the SNP I wouldn't vote for him in a million years. I'm not interested in his or any other politician's conscience, just keep religion out of it. I feel sorry for the people of Glasgow. Frances Curran from that little socialist party was the only one to say anything of substance.
40

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 15:09:46
55. "He'd need the combined vote of the Tories and the Lib-Dems to even squeek past Labour's strong and historic lead, and there is absolutely no chance of that happening."

I think you're missing (or wilfully ignoring) two rather important points -
1) People who said they would vote Labour in this poll are just as capable of switching to the SNP as those who said they would vote Lib Dem or Tory.
2) The 'don't knows' are excluded from the poll results, which provides another reservoir of potential support to make up the ground.

I don't know what the result is going to be any more than you do, but with the history of by-elections producing massive swings between parties over a very short space of time, you're very foolish to sound so complacent a full ten days before polling day.
41

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 15:10:13
With the amount of bias shown by the BBC, I'm surprised they don't describe SNP MP's, MSP's and MEP's and their activists as "insurgents".

The Politics Show and last Thursday's Newsnicht were shocking.

Are they worried about being booted of their own gravy train?????
42

Guga II,

Rockall 13/07/2008 15:13:59
#12. Typical foreigner, no sense of humour.
43

Traquir , Alba,

13/07/2008 15:16:15
From needing a 22% swing to needing a 7% swing is quite
an achievement in itself. Ian Dale has a decent take on the
situation :

"Sometimes you just have to shake your head in disbelief. The Telegraph reports an ICM poll in Glasgow East, which puts Labour on 47% and the SNP on 33%, a massive 15 points behind. Why on earth do people in that constituency even consider continuing to vote Labour? To misquote the Life of Brian, what has Labour ever done for them? The constituency has a male life expectancy of around 64, many of the council estates are the poorest in the country. Need I go on? When Iain Duncan Smith first visited the Easterhouse estate there in 2002 someone yelled out to him: "What are you doing here, we're all Labour?" He shouted back: "Yes, and look around you. Look where it's got you!"

The Telegraph and PoliticalBetting.com both report this poll as great news for Labour. I beg to differ. It is actually rather better for the SNP than it might seem at first sight. It shows there has been a 15% swing to the SNP since 2005. They only need another 7% to win and there are still ten days to go. Since 2005 Labour's vote has gone down by a quarter and the SNP's has doubled. There's also 16% of LibDem and Tory voters for the SNP to squeeze. I suspect there will be many Tory voters in that constituency who would happily give Gordon Brown a black eye. I am not for one minute suggesting they should do anything other than vote Tory (natch), but the SNP won't be so squeamish.

Those who are as long in the tooth as me will remember the last time (and indeed the only time) the SNP won a by election in Glasgow - back in 1988 when Jim Sillars won Glasgow Govan. A poll was taken the Monday before polling showing Labour on 51% and the SNP on 33%. For that reason, the SNP won't be downhearted by the ISM poll tonight, and nor should they be. By election campaigns are all about momentum, and there's no doubt that it is the SNP which has the Big Mo at the moment."

44

Traquir , Alba,

13/07/2008 15:16:37
cont,

see - tinyurl.com/5zldxp

The SNP won the Govan by-election with a 12% lead.
3 Days before the poll was :
System 3/Herald-STV
Reported 7th/8th November 1988
Labour - 52.9%
SNP - 33.4%

Assuming a 50% turnout there will about 32000 voters and
7% of this ~2100. The SNP have at least 300 active and passionate
canvassers working for us which comes to about 7 conversions
per canvasser - which is more than achievable.

As the people of Glasgow East chew on the following
information I am sure more will abandon the Labour
party that have so let them down.

. David Marshall "used almost £500,000 of taxpayers'
money over six years to help run an office from his
home which was staffed by his wife.

see - tinyurl.com/62jzc9

. Margaret Curran - On the day of her selection immediately
lied and tried to callously pretend she had worked
and lived in Glasgow East for all of her live - neither
of these statements are true, and on top of that
she lives in an opulent one million £ house, likely even
more of a mansion that the greedy David Marshall.
Very interesting how all the Labour comrades seem
to do so well for themselves while their electors
are treated like canon fodder to fill their troughs.

"Labour candidate Margaret Curran brushed off criticism
that she had lied about living in the East End when in fact
she lives in a detached house worth around GBP1m in
Newlands on the South Side."

I wonder just how Maggie and Rabs and ex-social worker
and an ex-council worker ended up a with a
one million £ house ? Born into wealth or successful
CEOs I can image, but I just done see this pair
being either the Entrepreneurial type nor likely
inherited the wealth.

see - tinyurl.com/6mfld5

. An ultimate betrayal and final dishonor to the socialist
tradition to which the people in Glasgow East adhere was
Gordon Brown nauseating embrace of
Margaret Thatcher who caused so much damage to
Scotland and to this date is hated b
45

Traquir , Alba,

13/07/2008 15:17:04
cont .

. An ultimate betrayal and final dishonor to the socialist
tradition to which the people in Glasgow East adhere was
Gordon Brown nauseating embrace of
Margaret Thatcher who caused so much damage to
Scotland and to this date is hated by swathes of
the Scottish people.

"I'm a conviction politician like Maggie" - Gordon Brown

see - tinyurl.com/555t5y

Brown invites his admiration Margaret Thatcher for tea.

see - tinyurl.com/3odecx

If this is not already a leaflet in Glasgow East it should
be printed up soon just to show how low these Labour
sycophants have gotten and just how much they
have trashed any sense of socialist tradition.

The SNP is in to win this and with the passion and dedication
being put in here I believe we will win this.

Saor Alba
46

SNP hypocrisy,

13/07/2008 15:22:50
55. "I think you're missing (or wilfully ignoring) two rather important points -
1) People who said they would vote Labour in this poll are just as capable of switching to the SNP as those who said they would vote Lib Dem or Tory."

Duh, and you seem to be missing the important point that Labour could also see a swing from those parties, or in fact the undecided! You Nats really talk a lot of bull.
47

monkey man,

13/07/2008 15:24:02
No matter how bad Labour are the good folk of Glasgow East will never succumb to the moral evil that is extremist nationalism. The SNP are shown to be already in decline if they can't win this seat.
48

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 15:24:13
62. How on earth has Curran got away with telling an untruth about living in the constituency and then saying 'oh it was a slip of the tongue'? It's on a par with Hillary Clinton's 'mis-speaking' on Bosnia.
49

SNP hypocrisy,

13/07/2008 15:25:59
I don't spend much time discussing polls, because I believe there is only one poll and that is in two weeks at the ballot box. However these results do seem to reflect the tallies that Labour have been finding on the doorsteps. In one area on doorstep support Labour expect 65% of the vote! This is a solid labour seat, where much regeneration has gone on and is still going on. It is ironic and comical that Salmond chose to have himself pictured and filmed at places like that have prospered and been built there under the Labour. I'm still laughing at the poll. HA HA HA HA - HA HA HA HA...
50

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 15:28:09
64. How did I miss that? I was making the point that the position was fluid, not set in stone in the way you implied in your earlier post (ie suggesting only the Lib Dem and Tory vote was there to be squeezed). In the real word, I think you know in your heart of hearts that in this election Labour voters are much more likely to switch to the SNP than vice versa, but we'll see. I admire your dogged optimism, however misplaced.
51

SNP hypocrisy,

13/07/2008 15:28:15
65. Spot on Monkey Man! This is a vote against he SNP and their single-policy of Indpendence. The line is being drawn in the sand as we speak and Central Scotland will speak on the 24th of July and deliver a clear message to those very deluded, undemocratic and uncomprising demagogues; Salmond and the SNP.
52

SNP hypocrisy,

13/07/2008 15:34:29
68, why do you believe that voters can only drift one way towards the SNP? What is this whacky substance all you nationalists must surely be toking to be so messed up and selective with your viewpoints? You are clearly missing the whole issue. In most cases, why on earth would a Labour voter switch to a party which opposes the Union? However Tactical Voting may come into play here, going on doorstep information a lot of Unionists might switch their Tory/Lib-Dem votes to Labour just to make sure that the Nats are kept out of this seat. :-)
53

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 15:41:20
70. "why do you believe that voters can only drift one way towards the SNP?"

I would suggest you take a long, deep breath and take another look at what I wrote, because I actually said the opposite of what you claimed I said.

"You are clearly missing the whole issue. In most cases, why on earth would a Labour voter switch to a party which opposes the Union?"

Probably because, in the real world, they're not as obsessed with 'the Union' as you appear to be. I'll whisper it gently - some committed Labour voters actually support independence!
54

Calum Crubag,

13/07/2008 15:49:06
#65 and 70 - excellent analysis. It is obvious that if the SNP don't win this and subsequently every Labour seat in Scotland the Salmond is doomed. The fact that the SNP goes from strength to strength in the polls is bad news for Salmond.

Meanwhile, a Labour win in a safe seat is evidently a big thumbs up for Labour's BritNat Orwellian policy of perma-war in third world countries.
55

Calum Crubag,

13/07/2008 15:51:34
#65 and 70- excellent doctoring too.

SNP, Greens, SSP - anti-war, anti-nuclear = extremist nationalism
Labour/Tory - pro-war, pro George W Bush, pro arms-trade = peaceful socialism
56

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 16:01:34
70
Why would a Labour voter switch to SNP...

To stop the Tories having power over us again.

THAT'S WHY.
57

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:05:37
#72

Labour are in total disarray, a complete shambles in fact at both local and national level but yet the SNP STILL won't win this by-election. That clearly says to everyone that the SNP are in rapid decline if they can't win this seat.
58

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 16:12:23
75
Rapid decline?

Would you like a banana?

Or some nuts...You ken where to put them eh?
59

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 16:14:20
75. The fact that the SNP even have the slightest chance of taking this seat is astonishing - proof of the progress they've made and also of Labour's UK-wide collapse. What you've just said is utterly laughable - it's like saying that if Labour fail to storm to victory in Newbury at the next election, they're finished as a party.
60

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:15:16
# 76

Ken.? Wtf.? Sorry, I only understand English. lol
61

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:18:02
# 77

The extremist separatists in Scotland have never had or will ever have a better chance of conning the masses into voting for them, but they STILL can't win. I think that proves the only way is down for the SNP.
62

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 16:27:46
78
Ken IS English by the way. Pitean.
63

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 16:33:13
"The extremist separatists in Scotland have never had or will ever have a better chance of conning the masses into voting for them, but they STILL can't win. I think that proves the only way is down for the SNP."

Am I missing something or are the SNP not in government? And did they not have to sort of win an election to be in that position? Let's recap. The SNP are in government for the first time in their history. Both Alex Salmond and his government are receiving high satisfaction ratings in the polls, while the government at Westminster is the most unpopular Labour administration in history (literally). Two days ago, the SNP were ahead in Westminster voting intentions for the first time in a credible poll. And yet in your view the SNP are in a state of terminal decline. OK, whatever.

Thirty years ago, Labour thought they could scare people off voting SNP by calling them 'separatists'. Obviously that doesn't work any more if you feel the need to call them 'extremist spearatists'. What's next - 'barking Brigadoon bigots'? I warn you, people quickly become desensitised to these patently daft labels, so use them with care.
64

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:34:02
# 80

Who is he then this guy Ken.?
65

FrancesP,

13/07/2008 16:35:57
82. He's Barbie's boyfriend. Talk about having to state the obvious - don't guys know anything?
66

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 16:41:12
He sh*gs Barbie, but how is beyond my ken, as he hasn't the equipage.

Have you, pitean?
67

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:41:44
# 83 Frances

What self respecting guy would know about Barbie.? lol
68

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 16:46:12
85
A father?
69

monkey man,

13/07/2008 16:56:26
# 86

Fathers collect Barbie dolls.? lol
70

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 17:01:33
87
You are a troll supreme.

I salute your courage, your strength, and your indefatigability.

Pitean.
71

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13/07/2008 17:08:15
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 13/07/2008 17:15:17
margret curran must not be allowed to kiss babies they will have to see a councellor for there recuring nightmares well into their teens, the women is a health hazard,just like the labour party in scotland has been to the people of the east end for the last 50 years, so vote for LIEBOUR and you vote for lies sleaze and corruption,
iraq
euro vote
10p tax
green road tax
wendys bungs
peter hains bungs
casanova prescott
corrupt at every level the liebour stasi party
73

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 17:17:59
89
I think people may judge us for what we say.

You have never said anything positive on these posts, have you?

Ever?

How long did it take you to google "pitean" lol.
74

b.allan,

scotland 13/07/2008 17:58:18
how can margaret curran afford to live in a one million £ home? Has she been on the fiddle at the expenses as well?
Why is there deafening silence coming from Mr Marshall and his family re the "expenses"?
Why did curran interrupt everyone constantly on the Politics show? She came across as a rude, screetchy megalomaniac!Anyone that votes for that woman needs their heed examined. is she trying to terrify the voters into voting for her - or else?
Furthermore, anyone voting labour out of a misplaced sense of loyalty, thinking labour is still the party of the working class couldn't be more wrong.She says she will "fight" for the people of Glasgow East - will she fight against labour then, because it's thanks to them that Glasgow East is in the state it currently is... Did the labour party freeze council tax/cut prescription charges etc? They COULD have if they had bothered enough about the people they were meant to represent, except they all seem to have been too busy looking out for themselves. It makes you sick!The labour party has shafted the poor and appears to be willing to continue to do so indefinitely.They are a disgrace.
And as for, Glen Campbell, that was just uneccessary!i am sick of paying a licence fee to watch the BBC kiss up to the lying, corrupt liebour party time and again. The pathetic excuse for a media industry in this country needs a drastic overhaul - roll on independence!
Also why no comments allowed on the Salmond "story" on the front page? Gagged again. Shameful.
75

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 18:15:35
kennen. vt irregular. know. That's from my German dictionary. Ich kenn = I know.

Kenner = connoisseur
kenntlich = distinguishable

The list goes on.

So this word is germanic in origin and crops up in various north European languages.

It is used all over Scotland - apart from Glasgow - and the north of England (Do ye ken John Peel?)so it can help to locate the computer terminal of people who dinnae ken the word.

76

roughrider,

Glesga 13/07/2008 18:17:50
79 monkey man.
Hows cheatah these days?
That could mean any member of your liebour party.
lol. KEEP ON TROLLING TROLL.
77

Conan the Librarian™,

13/07/2008 18:22:18
93
Thanks Jock. Ah really couldnae be b*ggered...

...To explain to the chimp, that slagging braid Scots is like abusing Chaucer.
78

Saor Alba-Free Scotland,

Scotland 13/07/2008 18:22:23
That Candy-man guy is all over the Herald like a rash.







Saor Alba
79

Saor Alba-Free Scotland,

Scotland 13/07/2008 18:25:33
http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.2392754.0.0.php






Saor Alba
80

roughrider,

Glesga 13/07/2008 18:27:50
92 b.allan,scotland
"Why did curran interrupt everyone constantly on the Politics show"?
This is what labour do best,in their misguided ignorant attitude they think by behaving like thugs
and shouting over the other candidates they are actulaly acheiving something.
Their whole manner is pathetic.


81

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 18:31:28
This time out switch is a pain in the posterior. Why the heck should I have to log in every 10 minutes?

Anyway, monkey man has a song devoted to him by none other than that great great troll model Amy Whitehouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me4KKocEY-U
82

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 18:33:54
95,Conan, was expecting you to tell me the pitean was more correct.

Must look up pitean - I like learning something new.
83

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 18:50:51
101, Hen, yes. I noticed the Politics Show. Curran got the prime seat and acted like she was big and important.

Tory female sounded like she was overawed but made a couple of sensible statements. LibDem and SNP were more impressive but the earth didn't move for me. The questions were tame.

There were, however, a few comments made by 3 of them that suggests to me that common sense and concensus will only be available to Scotland when the Labour party becomes extinct.
85

monkey man,

13/07/2008 19:03:40
As long as the little Bravehearts "ken" that their dreams of winning Glasgow East are fading away as quick as a meat pie in Fatty Salmond's gob, that's all that matters. lol Hoots mon, watch ma sporran.!


86

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 13/07/2008 19:05:29
How can anyone believe a unionist party rag. The poll was probably conducted in wimbledon common. Roll on the 26th that's the real poll....
87

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 19:13:45
There was once a head to head in heaven between McGonnigal and Shakespeare. They were both given 2 minutes to open a poem on the subject of bandy legs.

Mc Gonnigal wrote, " As I was walking down the road I met a man who's legs were bowed, by Goad."

Shakespeare wrote, "Oh, what manner of man is this, who's balls hang down in parenthasis."

Bebate.
88

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/07/2008 19:15:39
(parenthesis)
89

monkey man,

13/07/2008 19:21:39
Can't believe my innocuous post at 89 was deleted by someone who likes to dish out abuse but can't take any mild rebuke in response. Typical cowardly nationalist behaviour.! lol

#91 It took you all those years to use the word "pitean".? My, you're a baaad man.!
90

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:45:28
103 The Monkey Man

**As long as the little Bravehearts "ken" that their dreams of winning Glasgow East are fading away as quick as a meat pie in Fatty Salmond's gob, that's all that matters. lol Hoots mon, watch ma sporran.!**

I've told you before. If you come across as anti-Scottish, you just play into their hands.

Be more positive. Say things like "Scotland and especially Glasgow East, will prosper under continued labour control"

When mentioning bagpipes, haggis, shortbread, kilts, Kenneth McKellar, Lulu, Fran & Anna, The Krankies, River City, Tartan, plaid, kippers, etc - praise their very Scottishness and say that they all happened (well most of them) in the glorious union.

Hoots mon. Vote Labour... you know it makes sense.

Thar's nuttin' mair Scottish than Scottish Labour.
91

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:46:44
Fritters too.
92

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:48:20
Grouse (is the plural grice?) is Scottish and the English come up to bag a few on the glorious 12th. What could be more Cosmopolitan than that?

Upwards and onwards with Scottish Labour - the peoples' party.
93

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 19:49:01
Here are a few 'achievements' from New labour Sleaze. Just the sort of things all working class socialists approve off!!!!


1. Gold fire sale.
2. Pension theft.
3. Northern Rock.
4. Millennium Dome.
5. Nuclear power stations.
6. Cash for honours.
7. Shambolic immigration/asylum policies.
8. No European referendum as promised.
9. Illegal Iraqi war.
10. Trident replacement.
11. London Olympics.
12. Inadequately supplied troops
13. PFI/PPP debt for years.
14. Swearing allegiance to Britain by school kids. (Not mine!)
15. ID cards.
16. NHS computerisation shambles.
17. Child tax credit shambles.
18. Child Support Agency
19. Scottish Election shambles (Dougie Alexander).
20. Economy in meltdown.
21. 24 hour drinking. (Keep the peasants pie-eyed and they’ll vote for us, just like their dads did).
22. Dr David Kelly
23. Westminster expense cover up
24. "British Jobs for British workers."
25. Privatisation of air traffic control
26. Giving director of CBI a ministerial job...
27. Dungavel detention centre for children of asylum seekers
28. Failing to vote on, or offer alternative or amendments to, the Scottish budget
29. Voting to keep graduate endowment.
30. Collaboration with rendition/ torture.
31. 12,000 redundancies at the DWP.
32. Closing Remploy factories a cost of 1000s jobs for the disabled.
33. Millionaire's inheritance tax cut.
34. Tuition fees.
35. Means testing benefits for the old.
36. Annexed 6000 Square Miles of Scottish Territorial Waters
37. Continued Theft of Scottish Oil & Gas
38. Constitutional Review (oops Commission)
39. Fly British Flag from public buildings
40. Destruction of Scottish Fishing Industry
41. 'Independent' Electoral Commission
42. Reduced funding for Scotland
43. Invest heavily in London infrastructure -e.g. High speed rail, Heathrow,
44. Nepotism and cronyism on a grand scale.
45. Scottish Industry Forum
46. Massive closures of Scottish Post Offices
47. Lose BP Hydrogen Plant @ Pe
94

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:50:53
Scotland Yard isn't in Scotland Monkey Man. Don't start to get funny with that one or you'll play into their hands.

A new dawn is upon us. Labour will surely (truely?) turn Glasgow East around for the better. They just need a bit more time.
95

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 19:51:29
And some more!!

48. Catalogue of top rated Wendy you-tube videos.
49. Refuse to investigate death of Willie McRae.
50. Refuse to create an Independent Scottish Labour Party
51. Catch Phrases/Spin e.g.” Whiter than white, Purer than pure”, "McChattering Classes", "CyberNat" and "Ranting Bloggers"
52. 20% Scots in relative poverty and increasing- tinyurl.com/2klhdm
53. Massive election frauds in Birmingham and other places (judge described as being like "banana republic" corruption)
54. The £400 million over-run on the parliament building.
55. Tony Blair comparing the Scottish parliament to a parish council.
56. Dressing taxes up as Green taxes and not spending the proceeds on the environment
57. Hammering high profit oil companies with high corporation tax but not his friends in the higher profit financial sector
58. Back door stealth taxation.
59. Banning protest and free speech near Westminster and Whitehall.
60. David Marshall
61. Maggie Curran
96

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:52:32
Ignore all anti-union posts. Labour has been working hard in Glasgow East since time immemorial.

They just need a wee bit more time. Things can only get better.
97

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:53:39
James the Pie

Stop confusing the unionists please. All we ask is for another chance. We KNOW we'll get it right this time.
98

monkey man,

13/07/2008 19:55:51
#112

Where did I mention Scotland Yard.? lol


I just seen the RC Church on the news there playing the sectarian card against Labour as to the embryo technolgy bill they oppose. I wonder who they want to influence to win,eh.?
99

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 19:56:06
Remember the main reasons to vote labour.

1 Your father did

2 Your father before him did

3 Your pals vote labour and you really don't want to be the odd one out

4 Labour is for the working (and non-working) man

Preserve the union. Give labour another wee shottie.
100

Miss H,

13/07/2008 19:56:48
30 Yes there is parking.

As regards the poll - I think it overstates Labour's position myself and they do as well but I don't think it's a bad poll for us. We were much further behind in Govan at this stage of the game.

What is really interesting is that their MPs are out doing the work of activists. The Labour politicians were on the doors and delivering leaflets this weekend because their activists are staying away. Added to which they have no historic canvassing and are doing most of their canvassing by telephone from a Newcastle call centre.

I expect there will be a poll next weekend as well, I hope there is anyway. For those who have never seen a by-election swing happening on the ground, it's happening. Don't miss it!
101

Even Newer Unionist poster,

13/07/2008 19:57:39
#114 New Unionist Poster

"Things can only get better"

Ah that old labour soundbite, makes me puke.
102

Even Newer Unionist poster,

13/07/2008 19:59:46
#117 New Unionist Poster

What about reason 5 ?

5 Because my aunties dug voted labour

103

Even Newer Unionist poster,

Eastender.. er 13/07/2008 20:03:53
#116 monkey man

Go back to eating yer monkey nuts son. Ma maw ma paw un thu dug dinny luk ye

yer getting it lavy heed soz ye ur. urs as moses fir a posses soz am ur
104

Ma Maw Ma Paw un thu dug r eastend urs,

13/07/2008 20:23:40
Wheeze all vote laboor coz its in our plazma soz ma maw telt urs
funny i cant C any laboor in thu tv but soz am urs going a trip un thu bendybus un yoos urnie
105

Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

13/07/2008 20:40:34
#114 - New Unionist imposter - and 60 years is not time enough and you want a wee bit more time?

I nominate you for silliest reply of the day.
106

Ma Maw Ma Paw un thu dug r eastend urs,

13/07/2008 20:58:06
123 ewan kerr urs brother

ma paw is a laboor mans un ma grandpaw says hees a big dafftie soz urs hees
107

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 21:00:56
123

Juan! What is 60 years? It's two years short of a male life span in Glasgow East. It's no time at all.
108

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 21:02:47
Possibly three years short. What's a year between friends?

If there are any 60 year olds out there in the east end. This could be your last time to vote labour.

Vote Labour for a brand new bright tomorrow (but unfortunately not for you).
109

Jimmy the Pie,

13/07/2008 21:38:35
Does anyone know if the recently retired fraudster, embezzler and part time MP, David Marshall displayed any outward signs of having accumulated vast wealth??

You know, £1 Million hoose in Glasgow South, flash cars, penthoose flat in London, number bank accounts in Zurich, exotic holidays at shady financiers' expense?

Or does he not live in Scotland???
110

New Unionist Poster,

13/07/2008 21:41:19
127 Mr Pie

I don't know. Maybe you could ask on the article about LIT???? People are posting there.
111

unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 13/07/2008 22:28:57
Ma Maw and Paw - can you speak scottish please?
112

unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 13/07/2008 22:30:53
btw Monkey Man has been posting on this site and the Herald for 24 hours - do you think he is swinging in the trees?

 

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