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Published Date: 11 March 2007
FOOTBALL fans who hurl homophobic abuse at players and rival supporters now face criminal charges under a crackdown by Scottish police.
Following complaints from gay police officers about homophobic chanting at games, orders have been issued to give culprits a warning and, if they persist, charge them with breach of the peace.

Rights campaigners last night hailed the move as a breakthrough in ridding football of anti-gay prejudice. But critics accused police of going too far in imposing political correctness on society.

The Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland (Acpos) has issued guidance to all eight forces that anti-gay abuse will no longer be tolerated and those who ignore a warning to stop should be charged.

A Lothian and Borders Police document headed 'LGBT [Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender] Prejudice', states: "Where offenders are detected, they should be reported for a breach of the peace with the circumstances highlighted in the charge and summary."

A police insider said if a group of fans chanted anti-gay songs or slogans, officers would warn them and arrest suspected ringleaders. A conviction for breach of the peace could result in a hefty fine or even imprisonment.

The move follows lobbying of Acpos by the Scottish section of the Gay Police Association (GPA), backed by other pro-equality organisations.

Inspector David Lyle, Scottish co-ordinator of the GPA, said: "We believe it will make a big difference. Gay people go to football matches and shouldn't have to listen to all that abuse."

He added: "I think this will help in allowing gay footballers to be open about who they are."

Calum Irving, a director of gay rights group Stonewall Scotland, said: "It's a very welcome step."

But James Delingpole, author of How To Be Right: The Essential Guide To Making Left Liberals History, said: "Football chanting is supposed to be offensive, that's the whole point.

"I think [it] is a valuable way in which men can let off steam. If they can't do it there, then I fear they might vent anger in other and more violent ways."

And debate rages over whether some terms are homophobic at all. The word 'gay' is increasingly used by youngsters simply to mean something is useless.

Christian Kay, professor of English Language at Glasgow University, said: "Gay is a very good example of a word which has changed. I doubt if anyone can remember that it once meant 'merry' or 'happy', and now it seems to be changing again. However, I'm not sure a middle-aged man at a football match could argue on the basis of teenage slang."

A favourite Tartan Army chant, "We hate Jimmy Hill, he's a poof", could fall foul of the ban, even though Hill himself has expressed his affection for Scottish fans.

Hamish Husband, of the Association of Tartan Army Clubs, said: "Most of us have sung it, never thinking there was any connection to homosexuality. For us, 'poof' meant 'not as tough as us'."

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  • Last Updated: 11 March 2007 1:04 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Gay and Lesbian issues
 
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www.scottwebb.co.uk.,

11/03/2007 01:12:05

Heres a great wee tune that really should make OUR charts :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNmrVVng3p0

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Douglas,

Bathgate 11/03/2007 01:16:40

Gay was hijacked by homosexuals and consequently by "yoof."
Oh... My... God!!
Get over it.

If the Tom Robinson song "Sing if You're Glad to be Gay" was played at a football match and I didn't sing would I be homophobic or just a party pooper?
Am I allowed to say pooper?

Off to bed. I'm pooped. :o)

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www.scottwebb.co.uk.,

11/03/2007 01:19:18

Comment@2 Douglas, hi mate......i hope you've hoovered and changed the curtains before you go to bed :)

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 01:23:37

I think we ALL know what Jimmy Hill is!

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 02:24:25

5 - Archie

You sound like you've got a lot in common with Jimmy Hill. ;)

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Robbie,

NZ 11/03/2007 02:30:12

5. Archie, Gourock
You know Archie I’ve just read your comments away over here and think perhaps you want some changes- like a new government and looking after yourselves (surely it couldn’t be worse). What oh, what is it that make so many Scottish voters scared to join the sovereign nations of the world? You could make your own plans to correct that list Archie’s just posted. You could negotiate ON YER OWN with the Oz Government to start taking criminals again - they could loose them in the Simpson Desert. Then your tourism would increase as people actual learned about your existence.

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William King,

beijing 11/03/2007 02:42:36

Football chanting is supposed to be offensive, that's the whole point.

That has been the whole point for years. We have police officers being murdered at matches in Italy and France. We have games being stopped due to crowd violence - we have referees and coaches being felled by missiles and fans firing 'flares' (no not the troosers) at each other.

Society wont act to find the criminals who carry out these crimes (was the Celtic fan who nailed Dallas with a coin ever found) but will criminalize people for singing 'offensive' songs!!!

As an aside I know a few 'poofters' in the Tartan Army who happily (or gaily) sing the Jimmy hill song - not because it is offensive (god forbid) because it is seen (or was seen) as being humorous.

What a sad bloody place the UK (And Scotland in particular) has become.

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Robbie,

NZ 11/03/2007 02:44:02

6. Dragonhead
“…..words will never hurt me.” Words, insults, verbal abuse can be quite devastating to an individual, especially if the taunts come from a large group of hostile drunks and eejits.
What is really sad is the realisation that in the 21st century we have people who are not prepared to debate the future of their country, their families and themselves but love getting together with other ‘bullies’ to try and upset or ostracise another human being because of any difference they can find.
Please try and understand me Dragonhead as I mean no disrespect but only that you consider this . Your spouse is Chinese how would you or her feel if a gang of ignorant Glasgow yobs continually screamed racial slurs against her or you children? Shouting and screaming abuse at an individual shows at least segments of a nations population art immature, and have little empathy for others. They think not of others except to injure and think not of matters of importance to improve their society. Perhaps policing will not cure it but where oh where are the educational standards? Don’t expect the parents to help- loutishness and violence is intergenerational.

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Steafan,

Japan 11/03/2007 03:13:25

It`s strange that, according to this article, they would only be prosecuted for the last part which states that they think he is homosexual, rather than the part which says "We hate".

Which is worse, stating that someone is of a particular sexual orientation, or stating that you hate that person?

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Saltire,

Thailand 11/03/2007 03:24:14

The general concensus from what I read in these messages is that this move by the police is merely making a mountain out of a molehill.
Surely I police have more strength of character than to allow some sad chanting to upset them.
#5 Archie, Gourock Good points you made. Maybe the police should concentrate on them.
We now have a Gay Police Association, Black Police Officers Ass but where is the Baldy Heided Police Officers' Assoc or the Wee Willie Police Officers' Association? I suppose these police officers just have to suffer in silence.

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Leon,

Hong Kong 11/03/2007 03:33:27

What mundane rubbish, no not the report, (which mundane even by Hootsmon's standards), but the postings. Get a life or get to bed!

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Pete39,

Tassy 11/03/2007 03:35:41

They should publish those songs in a wee book for the sake of the future generations. Maybe fifty years from now they will be part of Scotland's cultural heritage to be taught in all primary schools.

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 03:40:13

11 - Archie

Wouldn't understand - no interest in football whatsoever - meaningless.

I've got no problem with supporting my country and fellow countrymen.

You seem to have no problem putting both down.

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11/03/2007 03:49:09
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Robbie,

NZ 11/03/2007 04:32:05

14. Leon, Hong Kong / 3:33am 11 Mar 2007
“ What mundane rubbish, no not the report, (which mundane even by Hootsmon's standards), but the postings. Get a life or get to bed!”
Leon although at times, in different forums, I have sympathy with you comments I have notice the enmity they often contain and do wonder whether this actually wins any to your points of view. You have told us previously that you have worked in six different countries (as have I) but shouldn’t that have made you a wee bit more tolerant and calm when voicing your opinions.
Leon - what I meant in # 6 - is it’s sad that we have people who (for the life of me I can’t understand) waste their time with insulting comments. There must be a reason - do they think they are witty - smart - clever? Or do they not have not the ability to join in a forum and express their views sensibly and without the use of rancour.
Let me examine your comments Leon #14 ‘Get a life..’ now Leon you have no idea the sort of happy or otherwise existence the various posters have but they at different times contact people from around the Globe and have a blether and a bitch about things. Then others come along (it happens now and again) and make derogatory remarks concern the other posters lifestyles. It actually, at least to me, does not exactly show the insulting person in a good light. I wonder at their life and life style if they can spend time with throw away rude comments.
You have often posted against racism and pointed out it appears more prevalent in Scotland which maybe true in your experience but do you need to be so aggressive in your (often extremely interesting) posts?
Remember the poster you are disagreeing with so vehemently in one forum may be on you side in another.
I may agree with you about racism but think you talk bollocks when decrying other forum users (although I wouldn’t normally say it that way). Anyway it has just turned 12:25Pm In Hong Kong so have a

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Guga,

Rockall 11/03/2007 04:48:07

I agree with #5 Archie. This country is going to the dogs, with neds and thugs getting off with a slap on the wrist, and now the police are going to go all out to arrest people making anti-homosexual comments.

Maybe we should be thinking about getting our priorities right.

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 04:52:10

17 - Archie

Ah, I see where you're coming from now.

Possibly that's why I have no interest in football.

Pretty vacuous stuff.

However, each to his own.

Huv ye contacted Erchie Stirling tae be a candidate fur his paryt yet. I understand he's struggling a bit.

Or do you still think democracy is for 'football referee's'?

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Guga,

Rockall 11/03/2007 04:52:40

The Editor,
The Scotsman.

Why am I still being "moderated", i.e. censored? I have done nothing wrong, so what is going on? Why do you refuse to tell me why I am being moderated? Why are you, in effect, breaching my human rights? Why are you blocking my freedom of speech?

The Scotsman goes on about freedom of information. In that regard, if I am being blamed for something, I am entitled to know what it is I am being blamed for, and given the opportunity to refute any such allegations. This arbitrary action by your censors is ridiculous, and hardly suitable for a newspaper in a free society.

You know my e-mail address, so how about some information?

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matthew in davao,

philippines 11/03/2007 04:56:12

i would love to know, who gave homosexuals the right to hijack the word gay. ergo, they must be ashamed to say that they are homosexual, why ? in old english, which i have read, gay meant being a prostitute. as a jazz and big band buff, i hear the word gay in many songs by sinatra, ella, sarah vaughn. in fact al the singers who sang standards. it annoys me that the word is unusable in its former meaning. which meant, happy, enjoying life etc. obviously homosexuals are not happy, or why are they complaining all the time? o.k. you can start calling me homophobic, whatever. i dont care. i am content and secure in my life. why are all yiu homosexuals so obviously unhappy ?

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Geoff,

South Africa 11/03/2007 05:29:18

Purely as a matter of interest-I've been out of it for a few decades-do they still sing "They'll hang John Knox with his dirty Socks!" What about us John Knoxians?

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Ian_,

usa 11/03/2007 05:33:23

I haven't seen Jimmy Makes-me-ill for years, but I never thought he was gay. No, very few, if any, signs of gaiety from him. Anti-Scottishness maybe and someone I couldn't stand; why do the Scots pay a licence fee and have to tolerate the likes of IT? Yet another addition to the billions of reasons why Scotland needs to be independent from those southerners.

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Ian_,

usa 11/03/2007 05:36:05

#20, Matthew, I agree.

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deirdre catt,

edinburgh 11/03/2007 06:46:53

"Gay" is meant to stand for "Good As You".

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Peekay,

11/03/2007 06:56:01

Can't see anyone actually being lifted by the police for this. Sectarian songs/chant are illegal but there was no evidence of any arrests at Easter Road last week.

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MAC.1,

Bramalea, Ontario 11/03/2007 07:06:03

Archie,
That was histerical, R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.
Magic, Ma Mhan.

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GraniteCity,

11/03/2007 07:38:43

GAYS in the polis !!! ......shockeroo when did they allow that then.... cue Monty Python 'Rule 1 NO POOFTERS'.
So all these years ago listening to the 'Laughing Policeman' and asking my Dad why he was laughing and getting told he was happy and GAY....jeez now I know.

Look out you SPL opposition club supporters I can feel a compensation claim coming on for all the trauma you have caused me by singing 'You're only sheep shagging bustards, sheep shagging bustards, you're only sheep shaging bustards'.
SOB SOB !!

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Duke,

11/03/2007 07:40:12

Honestly you would think that Plod, the Procuator Fiscal and all the other people concerned would be better occupied in reducing the real crime in this country, not arresting someone for singing silly songs. Ahhh didums to the police affected. I'm sure you hear worse insults in your everyday life.

PC gone mad.

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 07:42:29

No smoking,no alcohol,and no singing,simple solution is when we pay and then go through the turnstile the police tie our hands behind our backs and neatly place some sticky tape over our mouths.Anyhowz Jimmy Hill deserves a simple ear bending for letting loose his inner HATE for the scottish people in fact I suggest people continue to voice their discontent with anyone who orally puts down the name of Scotland and it's population.It's simply RACIST and intollerable and feel free to protest, it's your right. If Jimmy Hill was RACIST against black people he would be ousted from the tv but if he's RACIST against Scotland he is simply let off the hook. RACISM ISN'T A COLOUR it's exactly what it says on the tin.Why we arn't allowed to protest against racism when the SPL asks of it dumbfounds me. SING SING SING.

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happyinoz,

Australia 11/03/2007 08:06:30

I think the chanting of the "Jimmy Hill" stuff is almost a term of endearment to be honest - most Scottish punters that turn up at the Scotland games love to hate him. I believe some people are just too sensitive. Some of the football chants are certainly crude (some very offensive) but often just funny at the same time.

eg "There's only two Andy Gorams" (after news of his schitzofrenia made news) so making fun of people with mental problems was ok?

"You're not yodelling anymore" sung by Newcastle Utd fans when thrashing a Swiss team - so stereotyping an entire nation is ok?

Both funny - but wrong at the same time.........

How would you police this anyway? They tried to ban something as inocent as the Mexican wave at some cricket games in Australia recently and announced that only those who instigate the waves would be penalised - result? - The waves continued with not one arrest or removal from the ground?

Besides, haven't Police women in a lot of countries had to endure the ever popular "GYTOFTL"......

In short there is more stuff to worry about

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redandwhitehoops,

11/03/2007 08:12:57

One of my favourite ever football chants. In fact one of the main joys of going to Scotland games, in my youth, was to stand under the covered terraces singing amusing ditties like this. I never actually thought Mr Hill was a homosexual, which made it all the funnier to suggest he was. I'm sure that if he had been a limp wristed, nancy boy it wouldn't have been sung, as part of the fun of that particular taunt was that he most definitely wasn't a poof; making it funny to call him one. What would be the point of singing " Larry Grayson's a poof", it's obvious and has no value as an amusing chant.

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1875 Always 1 better than the Hertz,

11/03/2007 08:16:53

As I was sitting at the Hibs v Rangers game last Sunday their were approx 50 polis standing by and watching the Rangers fans singing their sectarian bile and spewing their rank rotten anti catholic drivel without even one of them being lifted/spoken too.

Until Lothian and Borders police start to take action on what is already on the statute books I will not take this story too much to heart.

Come on polis get YOUR act together and start with the sectarian bigots .

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 08:22:13

#37 you surprise me that you dont hear the same bigotry from your own fans after all they are a lot closer to you.

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scotsdoc,

Nanaimo BC Canada 11/03/2007 08:25:10

As an old observer of human nature I have found that many outwardly appearing 'Macho' sportsmen are quite uncertain of their own sexualityand attempt to hide their inadequacy under a facade of being ultra homophobic. Curious thing amongst say, rugby, players there is a sort of a communal gay play in the showers after a strenuous match in many cases.

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Alex.,

11/03/2007 08:26:15

#5 Archie. Well said. What a sad country this has become. Run by wimps for wimps. Mind you, what more can you expect when ex social workers are in charge. I expect you will only be lifted for offending homosexual sensibilities by homosexual police officers or those who have been ordered to make an arrest by a more senior homosexual police officer. Hetrosexual police officers will see this as being of minor importance compared with assaults, robbery etc.

Roll on the elections!

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 08:32:35

Used to live in Edinburgh and took the chance to go watch Motherwell play Hibs at Easter road (I was at the home support section) when at half time on the tannoy they announced that Davie Cooper had been rushed to hospital, to my horror I heard "I hope the dirty orange bà?tàrd dies" the same day those people's hopes had been turned into a reality. Takes a real man to tell his own to shut up as well #37.

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FOOTBALLAGAINSTRACISMEUROPE,

11/03/2007 08:34:20

While i totally agree with the sentiment i think it is evident that blatant religious and racial intolernace should remain the main focus of the authorities.The racist abuse recently meted out towards Jason Scotland and Noel Hunt once again illustrates that this form of naked hatred is sadly still prevalent within stadia and was once more highlighted by the songs from Easter Road last week.Thankfully from next season clubs will be reprimanded if not enough efforts are made to eradicate such behaviours

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 08:40:50

#45 ???? youv'e baffled me there mate, try again.

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 08:43:14

Sing what you want is my advice.
Let the Police try and arrest 10,000 people...impossible.
How about " If you hate the fuc*in polis clap your hands " ( my favourite at Pittodrie )
What are they going to do about it? You can't sing someones a poof? What a lot of garbage. Are gays not supposed to be proud of the fact?
What's your favourite chants of old?
Mine was " Frank McGarveys wife's a who*e ".
" Fan*y McGrain " was a good one. Political Correctness gone mad.
If you're going to the game today, I urge everyone to sing whatever songs you feel will annoy the opposition fans the most...that's the whole point, is it not?

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 08:46:42

That includes abusing black, jewish, catholic and orange, muslim, pakistani, Indian, English, Irish, Welsh, Japanese.....they should not be left out.
Why should it just be fat, baldy, ugly ,ginger, short-arse, skinny guys who get all the abuse?
That's not fair. Oh yeh and poofs.

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happyhibbie,

inch, Edinburgh 11/03/2007 08:59:39

I do remember chanting that Wallace Mercer was a FTB. It was true and funny and a sentiment shared by many Hearts fans.

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 09:00:58

#47 would you hate the "polis" if they stopped 8'000 fans "ootside" Pittodrie stamping all over you? Would you oppose to "sumbdy" if they called your wife a "hoor" are you aware that when you ask for example a light for your "fag" or the time or a taxi that the guy could be a "bufftie" ??????????? c'mon it's great tae sing but keep it a bit cleaner.Your hate comes from something outside football so why dont you keep it "thone wiy"

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Jamboree,

11/03/2007 09:06:53

Oh the irony! For God knows how long have decent Scottish Football fans been urging the police to take action against the OF bigots who poison the air when visiting away grounds? I have even witnessed fans pointing these morons out to police inside our ground and they shrug their shoulder and do nothing.

Now we have some PC PC's keen to arrest people for 'homophobia'? Ye couldnae make it up! It's time the authorities in Scotland got their priorities right.

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mr angry,

11/03/2007 09:16:03

This country goes from bad to worse. Considering that it has the worst crime rates anywhere, maybe the police and CPS should try getting on with their real jobs rather than looking for cushy numbers. Arrest real criminals and yobs , some idiot singing at a football game i shardly doing much harm , and the GAY he is chanting at is making a fortune kicking a bit of leathe rabout so who is the mug.

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Royal Blue,

Glasgow 11/03/2007 09:18:11

The Lunatics are running the Asylum!

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 09:26:57

#50 You're telling me that fag for cigarette came from fag for poof?
and I'd like to see the police stop 8000 sheep fans.
Beckham had to put up with fans singing about his missus.

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ddmc,

11/03/2007 09:31:18

#28 You only sing when yer fishing !

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Jock,

Away from the faggots /sticks 11/03/2007 09:37:01

#58
Am sure your wife will be glad about that statment but should it not be yourself to be PC on this post.

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JimS,

11/03/2007 09:39:44

How will the Poice cope with a full house at Tynecastle against Hibs and the home fans belting out "oh, the Hibess are Gay",
do they arrest everyone?

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William King,

beijing 11/03/2007 09:39:49

If you prevent fans fromsinging, chanting, shouting obscenities at eash other then the inward frustrations will build. the result may in turn be an increase in after match violence.

Sticks and stones.......

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 09:48:09

#63. JimS no Jim they sanction Hearts fc with a fine that weakens the financial structure of your team.Quite important wouldn't you say?

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GW,

Aberdeenshire 11/03/2007 09:50:24

How come the British National Party can make racist speeches and produce highly offensive election material without fear, but football fans risk arrest for singing 'offensive' songs!

I'll take this seriously when the police start arresting Rangers fans for the vile stuff they sing.

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 09:53:30

#60 Yeh a week.
#61 Well, I'd dump her after I got the cash anyway.
#62 Missed the point as usual.
#63 Exactly. It's one load of PC pi*h.
#64 I agree. I never went to an OF game drunk when they were allowed alcohol in the grounds because I was too young. The booze caused the fights, but I don't see the problem with shouting crap at each other for 90 minutes, then going to work etc afterwards and behaving as normal.
With a wee bit of banter of course.

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jdships,

Trinity 11/03/2007 09:54:54

5. Archie, Gourock

What a brilliant post IMHO !!!!
I can think of nothing to add to that
Suggest it is sent to our beloved Justice Minister
PC , thanks to New Labour has taken this country to new levels !
Wether up or down I leave you to choose for yourselves .

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jamesfm,

11/03/2007 09:56:31

Everybody knows Jimmy Hill is not homosexual. If he or anyone else was castigated for being genuinely homosexual, I would object and ask that he be let alone.

Homosexuality is not the issue.

The fact remains - Jimmy Hill IS a poof.

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 09:57:29

#65 Now that's one lot of BS. How can a football club control what their fans sing? The laws are rubbish.
I could have went to Milan, thrown a brick through the Milan team-bus window and Celtic get banned.
I could go in the celtic end today and throw a dart at the ref and celtic get sh*t fot it.
It's not fair.....and I wish I'd thought of it before....
Are all the Hibees gay, by the way?

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PF,

Oz 11/03/2007 10:09:20

Hey handbag man, you take boring to a whole new level. Shut up and giez all peace.

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 10:10:23

#67 behaving normal? OK I'll drag it back down for you:::Sing what you want is my advice.
Let the Police try and arrest 10,000 people...impossible.
How about " If you hate the fuc*in polis clap your hands " ( my favourite at Pittodrie )
What are they going to do about it? You can't sing someones a poof? What a lot of garbage. Are gays not supposed to be proud of the fact?
What's your favourite chants of old?
Mine was " Frank McGarveys wife's a who*e ".
" Fan*y McGrain " was a good one. Political Correctness gone mad.
If you're going to the game today, I urge everyone to sing whatever songs you feel will annoy the opposition fans the most...that's the whole point, is it not?
THEN:::::That includes abusing black, jewish, catholic and orange, muslim, pakistani, Indian, English, Irish, Welsh, Japanese.....they should not be left out.
Why should it just be fat, baldy, ugly ,ginger, short-arse, skinny guys who get all the abuse?
That's not fair. Oh yeh and poofs.
THIS KIND OF NORMAL BEHAVIOUR IS SAD,DATED AND DAUNTING,AND YOUR POISED FOR VICTORY?

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Disgruntled of Dalgety,

Dalgety Bay 11/03/2007 10:20:25

When are we going to arrest all of our police for their gross incompetence in failing to maintain the Queens peace. In other words when are they going to stop being social workers and start being villain catchers. Or do they simply not have the bottle to do the job they are paid for.

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Alamo,

Glasgow 11/03/2007 10:24:50

#5 Archie quote:-
-Neds rule the streets after dark without recourse.
-The main scourge of our country viz, drug dealing goes largely unchecked.
-We have enormous rates of re-offending
-Paedophilia is rampant
-We are the murder capital of Western Europe.
-You are five times more likely to be a victim of physical assault in Glasgow than New York
-Blade crime and serious assault are at an all time high
-Guns are being carried as fashion accessories by most players.
-Domestic abuse in Scotland is 4 times higher than any other part of the UK
-Assaults on key medics is 1000% what it was 10 years ago
-Rape/date rape results in a 4% prosecution rate.
-Rampant sectarianism is still the biggest divide in Scottish life

All this is TRUE Archie. All his is VERY serious stuff. But what do the exec do...spend thousands of parliamentary hours make a major crime out of someone lighting up in a shopping centre!! Priorities right...I don't think so somehow. Anyway come May, the exec will get their comeuppance for failing to deal with all your most valid points, and wasting their time and our money on matters which are far less serious.

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Neil-E-Boy,

glesga 11/03/2007 10:26:14

The PC and minority rule brigade strike again. They have been the most destructive force in ruining our society.
Don't have an opinion, unless it's the one we give you I hear them cry.
They don't give a toss for your opinion or lifestyle, but you must bow to theirs.
What a screwed up society we are becoming. Or are we already there?

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Scaramouche,

11/03/2007 10:44:08

Having a gay cousin I'm very fond of (Hoi! Don't go there!) I have always supported Gay Rights. Now, the last bastion of Alpha Maleness is being stormed and I am devastated. What kind of worls will I be reborn into in say 50 years? Will we hear the likes of THIS on the terraces .....

I am the very model of the modern homosexual
My cooking skills, my lovely home, are really quite exceptional
I hit the gym each day each night, my muscles are perfectional
My gluts my pecs my gleaming gut, are really quite delectable
I know which movie star is gay and who pretends at het-er-o
My knowledge of Gay Hollywood is really just incredible
But still in matters ethical, artistic, metaphysical
I am the very model of the modern homosexual

I watch every trashy TV show, I know the rumors talk the talk
I gawk at all the biggest stars, but wish that I could walk the walk
I have red carpets in my dreams, the finest tux the grandest gowns
I used to do drag long ago, before Lily Savage came to town
I back gay causes to the max and fund the Human Rights Campaign
Lesbian soldiers get a cheque, transvestite priests get all my change
Transsexual MPs count on me to back them on election day
I vote New Labour any day, and Mother Church is where I pray
And still in matters ethical, artistic, meta-physical
I am the very model of the modern homosexual

I have a house on Broughton Street, the Pink Triangle is my home
I visit all the gay resorts, Key West Palm Springs, Cape Cod and Rome
I go to football faithfully, and watch which way the play will go
Take one look at my porno stash, and then watch out for "Thar She Blows"
I mince around like Princess Grace, and dance at all the latest bars
My smile is frozen on my face, I drive the most expensive cars
All the boys just look and drool, and beg the number for my phone
I haven't touched a man in years, I bit

67

heather fae the hills,

11/03/2007 10:44:18

Who ate all the pies?
Who ate all the pies?
You leanly-challenged person of dubious parentage
You leanly-challenged person of dubious parentage
You ate all the pies.

68

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 11:00:06

#74 Great post Alamo. The country i'm proud of is rapidly deteriorating into a very unsafe place to be.I don't fear for myself but the thought of bringing a new generation of kids into today's Scotland makes me think twice.In New York they stab you and take your trainers, in Scotland they simply just stab you. Maybe if there was less risk of violence at football matches the police would have more time to solve real crime.Think of the total of police used in all matches around Scotland on a saturday afternoon costing thousands whilst real criminals continue their trade freely.Thuggish behaviour at football HAS to be controlled and nursed out of the sport so that worse crimes like date raping ,drug peddling etc; can be targeted.Could you imagine the crime that goes on on a sunday afternoon whilst all the police in Glasgow are on standbye because there's an old firm match being played.

69

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 11:22:08

#77 LOL anymore?

70

Alamo,

Glasgow 11/03/2007 11:22:35

re 78 Graham Purdie
Thanks for the support Graham. Can I just add a further tuppence worth...
We need at least 4 times the number of police
visibly and permanently out on the streets especially at night......that is not going
to happen. We need the courts to punish offenders so hard ( not neccessarily physically, although that may be the cheapest and most effective option ) that they will not dare to re-offend. That is not going to happen either, under the present executive.
If anybody votes for Labour in May, not only are they voting for possible future Labour policies, they are by default agreeing with and condoning what Labour has done ( and more importantly what Labour hasn't done ) since 1999.
Let's be 100% realistic. Lab/ Lib have overseen the huge increase in crime , anti-social behaviour and all the points mentioned by Archie ( post #5 ) and subsequently by myself. They have done nothing which is EFFECTIVE to eradicate these dreadful crimes from Scotland. A Scotland where if you go out at night ( even in a car and even in small villages) you are taking one hell of a risk. Now a vote for the Tories is a vote for "Middle England", so that only leaves one option in Scotland....give the SNP a chance to show what they can do.

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Derick fae Yell,

Ye Oldey Pie Shoppe 11/03/2007 11:23:06

I towt Jimmy Hill wis deid years ago?
is he not?

Eftir much study I conclude that Archie's theory appears ta be
"the Scots is racially inferior."

Oh right.

72

Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 11:23:40

#74 Graham, what songs do you sing then, mr PC?

73

scotspatriot,

11/03/2007 11:24:35

heather fae the hills

SUPERB

74

Jonboy,

11/03/2007 11:25:17

Thanks Granite City @ 28 for the Python reminder...

What was it again...?

The University of Woga woga...

Rule 1 - No Poofters

Rule 2 - No Sheilas

Rule 3 - No Poofters

Try not to worry about your association with sheep....

I believe counselling is now available for affected sufferers....

75

moira,

Bangkok 11/03/2007 11:27:43

saltire - you made me laugh out loud r u in bkk?

76

Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 11:27:47

76 - Scaramouche

Must hae been a' they drugs they gave ye in hospital last week! ;)

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Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory 11/03/2007 11:28:15

#Graham, how many arrests at the last 2 OF games then?
Shout abuse inside, then home without much trouble.
The days of violence at OF matches are long gone.
#80 SNP? Don't make me laugh. Nobody wants to stay in Scotland anyway (check the poulation figures) and if (for if read never) the SNP ever got into power even more would leave.
Now I've got to go and watch Rangers FC make up for that shambles on Thursday.
C'mon the Gers!

78

honest its the truth,

11/03/2007 11:28:39

Why on earth would we compare Scotland with New York or any other part of the States.Out of every 10 complete nutters in the world 8 are American.They have one of the biggest mast murderer in the World in G.W.Bush so no more advice from any Yanks please.
As for the old firm game today the police are going to be very busy as usual its not getting any worse than years ago just more media attention

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 11:43:35

#82 ..........Graham is suffice and the answer is easy, all the songs you don't sing.I don't beleive you are one of these guys who deliberately causes any physical harm on anyone however your (excuse the expression) old school tactics done nobody any good in the past and theres no way anyone will profit from your slander in the future either.Nobody's saying we should harmonise like the proclaimers but emptying people of moral for your own pleasure is daft, nothing political about that, just correct.

80

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 11:48:40

#88 i'm not a yank i'm scottish and Scotland i'm sad to say has a worse crime rate per,pop; than NY. Honest it's the truth.

81

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 11:52:24

#80 SNP IS THE WAY FORWARD.

82

I'm no really here,

11/03/2007 11:57:03

It looks like we're not governed by Holyrood OR Westminster, but by whatever Homosexual Lobby that can shout the loudest. Next they'll be telling Hearts supporters that they can't wear maroon because it might offend Hibs supporters.

It is NOT PC gone mad, it is the Homosexual Lobby telling you that YOU must accept and agree with THEIR lifestyle choice and change YOUR life to suite them. I, for one, refuse.

Scaramouche, the "last bastion of the Alpha Maleness is being stormed" because you were never there to defended all the others, you were too busy supporting "Gay Rights".

#13 Do you think that the "Gay Police Association and the Black Police Officers Ass" ever get together?

83

CJO,

The Maghreb 11/03/2007 11:59:21

#36 Dragonhead - this is one of the reasons a friend of mine left the Life Guards having served his country for 17 years. Couldn't believe that as a "Corporal of Horse" (same as RSM) that the ones that were being required to undergo retraining were the NCO's that had served their country well for years and not the squadies they were trying to knock into shape. Mental.

#5 Archie - spot on.

84

Corruption_,

11/03/2007 12:01:18

So this clampdown has come from the Police. The Police have decided on the clampdown. It has not come from the Scottish Office, Scottish Parlament, Procurator Phiscal etc etc.

What next? English police complaining songs against england are racist?

"500 miles" banned due to disability rights saying not everyone can walk
"Every Where we go" banned as it says we're mental (see BBC news website about Jeremy Clarkson comment about mentals)
"Happy Hooligans" banned due to talk of "Paralyse the underground" - you'd be arrested for terrorism

85

CJO,

The Maghreb 11/03/2007 12:05:55

Does anyone remember the last England Scotland game at Wembly when J Hill esq and Terry Venables were the pundits in the stand side studio? Half way through the Scots burst into the "We hate Jimmy Hill" number and Venables stopped what he was saying about the game coming up and said "Hey, Jimmy, listen... they're palying your tune again!" and burst out laughing. Mr Hill sat very sulkily, everyone else in the studio thought it was funny. Perhaps they should all be prosecuted for being complicit in this awful naughtiness?

86

Dunbar,

11/03/2007 12:07:04

I would just point out that JH was a bloody good footballer, that all professional footballers in the UK today should get down on their knees and thank Hill for giving them the fortunate lives they lead today, that he actually finds the chant funny and that he has genuinely deep affection for this country. Sat at the same table as him once at a sportsman's dinner. A nice guy. A few old fashioned views but a good guy.

87

tomfrom66,

Blackpool, UK 11/03/2007 12:08:02

This morning's Observer reports that the Commission for Racial Equality:

" ... has demanded fans of Tottenham Hotspur stop calling themselves 'Yiddos' or the 'Yid Army' - a reference to the club's strong Jewish links. The CRE says such behaviour could fuel anti-semitism. 'It is clear that in this day and age racist attitudes and comments are not acceptable,' said a spokeswoman. 'It is the responsibility of all of us to ensure regressive comments such as these do not undermine the achievements that have been made in race equality.' The commission's intervention ... comes as the police investigate video footage showing some West Ham fans chanting, 'I'd rather be a Paki than a Jew' during their 4-3 defeat by Spurs last Sunday.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031210,0...

But it's OK to abuse redheads, apparently.

88

Thomas the Tank,

Embra 11/03/2007 12:12:16

#94, you're nearly right - this 'clampdown' has come because Chief Constable Tumshie Pumpkins doesn't have the B@lls to tell Inspector Lyle, (or 'Camp David' as he was affectionately (!) called) to get on with the job the public pay him to do and represent his tiny (even by his own claims) membership in his own time.

89

Andy Zoff,

11/03/2007 12:23:12

All of this pales into insignificance after I have discovered that Sebo is in the starting line up today! How can I sing anything (offensive or inoffensive) after my jaw has hit the gound?

90

heather fae the hills,

11/03/2007 12:27:33

If I had the wings of a sparrow,
If I had the gluteus maximus of a cow,
I'd fly over (football ground of choice)...
And defecate on the product of two people who have bedded but not wedded, below.

91

ba-heid,

honest toon 11/03/2007 12:31:43

is it true that your average gay aberdonian inflicts even more and varied acts of indignities on our wooly 4 legged friends or is it just an ugly homophobic rumour?

92

Wee Beardie,

Lost in cyberspace 11/03/2007 12:32:47

I'm one of the few Hearts fan who doesn't join the chant about the Hi-bees being gay, but I can't see why anyone should object to the chant on behalf of the homosexual community. That implies that calling someone 'gay" is derogatory or defamatory, and yet this is how the homosexual community choose to describe themselves. Where's the logic there?
But I do wish my fellow Jambos would find something to stand up for (isn't standing up banned?) other than demonstrating hate for their city rivals.
'Hate' should be as unwelcome in football as racism and bigotry.
Sometimes when I hear the bile being spewed from contorted faces at football games I find myself hoping that these poor souls are getting it out of their systems and won't need to take their verbal violence home to their families. It's just a pity that children in the crowd have to listen to such vile outpourings.
By the way, I have yet to see a police officer or steward show the slightest interest in tackling verbal abuse from either home or away fans at Tynecastle.
And about 30 of them stood and watched from the safety of their corner while Celtic fans threw coins at Craig Gordon recently.
Since fighting on the terraces is a thankfully thing of the past, why are the police inside the ground in such numbers if they are not going to take any action?

93

Wee Hibeeeee,

Linlithgow 11/03/2007 12:34:43

Called a Pollok player a big Jessie at the Rose game yesterday. Sorry about that.

94

CJO,

The Maghreb 11/03/2007 12:47:32

If the chant was changed to "We love Jimmy Hill, he's a poof..." would it be permissable in the new police state era?

95

Adam W,

Woud we have such a debate if ... 11/03/2007 12:50:48

would there be any argument here if we were infrmed that the police would arrest anyone shouting anti black statements ? ie N***** mon*** etc or through bananas on the pitch ..no we wouldnt so why say it is ok for supporters to be delibrately offensive about someone by stating they are gay...amittedly to term gay now can mean useless stupid and i think some of the supporters are aware of this but for the thich majority well they dont... and thats the problem with prejudice..its mostly thickos who are behind...and before u moan that im being prejudice against thickos ..well ur right...

ive been to a few hearts matches and i cringe when they sig that song...u know the one...my friends nephew also gets embarrassed...hes an enlightened and intelligent 17 years old...so there is hope..

Adam

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Joe McParland,

Tartan Army 11/03/2007 13:05:22

60,000 fans singing about jimmy hill cant all be wrong. what they going to do, slap us in pink fluffy handcuffs.

97

Scaramouche,

11/03/2007 13:07:52

#92. It was kind of tongue in cheek song and comment, you know! Where's your sense of humour today?

98

Jimbu,

Alice Springs 11/03/2007 13:20:30

Whatever happened to the 'Gay Gordon's'? As fine a Scottish regiment as ever tilted a kilt.

99

billsmith1963,

With ma boy kissing 11/03/2007 13:27:05

Gay polis I have heard it all now.
If someone is a homosexual they should not be allowed to join the polis in the first place. Her majesty’s constabulary should be beyond approach sexually and morally.

The greater part of the human race frowns, upon sexual deviance. They would prefer less tolerance to be given towards homosexuals, not more tolerance. We are human beings and should be in control over our sexual urges, not experimenting with others of the same sex. I say bring back jail sentences for all sexual deviants. If it be police Mps or just common Joe. Something has to be done sooner rather than later. This country has lost control and the homosexual cause has taken over. Soon the straight guy will have no rights at all and will only be left with his good morals.

100

billsmith1963,

In the hoose 11/03/2007 13:35:32

1. www.scottwebb.co.uk.
Jimmie Vaughan Excellent
Says it all.

101

Kiltedblue2,

Fairlie, Ayrshire 11/03/2007 13:37:05

All I want to say is, How can certain people say they are 'GAY' if everyone was of this un-natural disposition, ie they only want to go with their same sex the world would not survive because man-man and woman-woman cannot reproduce therefore IT IS TOTALLY no right, ma Granny would turn in her grave if she could see whats going on these days.

So whit YOURÉ GAY keep it tae yersel! am no interested and I'm a proper human being I love a lassie - to coin a phrase, get a life homosexuals!!!!

102

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 13:38:22

102. heather fae the hills LOL keep it up.

103

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educational snob,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 13:52:54

"Oh, what a gay day!" we used to hear when we were younger.

Now, did that mean 1) that it was a day to be happy and merry? or 2) that the time for homosexual dominance had arrived? or 3) that it was a pretty useless kind of day? or 4) something else?

Answers on a postcard to ................................!
No.2 (Douglas) is right. The words of our language are being hijacked. As Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less". Alice replied, "The question is, whether you can make words mean so many different things".

But, as everybody now knows, to say that is just gay! Have you ever wondered about the possibility of being there at the time somebody invents a new usage for a word? You could take a note of it, and also that person's name, and later produce them as either a genius or a 'goof' (or 'dweeb' or 'saddo' or 'gimp') etc., and claim your 15 minutes of fame from the Sun, which is, in my view, extremely 'tacky-tabby'. (Like it? It means a sub-class of tabloid newspaper.)

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Bill69,

Weegieland 11/03/2007 14:21:31

#117: Tacky-tabby - superb! Or in the alternative dialect of Auld Reekie's favourite former milkman, Big Tam, "a shticky-pusshy" perhapsh?

106

Rod,

In the nets, fending off googlies. 11/03/2007 14:28:22

#9 Football chanting is supposed to be offensive, that's the whole point.

Exactly! A great deal of humour is based on insult. Les Dawson made a fortune with mother-in-law jokes.
Nothing wrong, in my view, in chanting that Mr Hill might perhaps bowl from the Nursery End.

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Helen,

11/03/2007 14:31:57

I was at the Scottish Cup Final last year and was appalled at the Hearts fans who chanted "Oh the Hibees are gay". What has that got to do with football? They weren't even playing the Hibees!!
There should be no place in football for offensive chanting, and the police should be arresting those who engage in it. Football clubs should ban these yobs for life so the rest of us can enjoy the beautiful game.

108

Geoff,

South Africa 11/03/2007 14:34:03

Come on you Gers!!

(Will I get into trouble for that?)

109

grannie,

glasgow 11/03/2007 14:35:37

The most amusing comment I heard at a football match was ' There is only one King Billy that's McNeil ' You can guess from whom!

110

Allen Kirk,

11/03/2007 14:38:40

Now you've gone and offended the gay police officers! How can you live with yourselves?

111

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 14:40:06

No #121 you have the right to celebrate,not unless Gers means gay cop.

112

ltstrtr,

USA 11/03/2007 14:47:24

Don't you have freedom of speech over there?

113

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 14:54:38

#126. ltstrtr, USA, NO we don't.You have been mis -informed.

114

dimples,

U S of A 11/03/2007 14:56:14

For the first time in a long time, I;m glad I'm here not there

115

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 14:59:50

dimples, U S of A / : you mean you feel safe in America? I would rather be Salman Rushdie's bodyguard.

116

TonyBLiar,

nearer the exit 11/03/2007 15:04:25

I understand from Gordon that the Tartan Army have released a politically correct version of their old favourite:

We're ambivalent to
Jimmy Hill
His sexuality
Is not an issue

repeat until hoarse...

117

Media 1,

11/03/2007 15:09:58

#5 Archie Gourock: Post of the day!

118

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 15:14:11

WE ARE THE MOTHERWELL FC...WE LOVE THE HIBS AND WE LOVE DUNDEE.....AND WE LOVE ALL COPS WHOEVER THEY MAY BE.....GAY OR STRAIGHT THEY'RE ALL THE SAME TAE ME.

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Leith Keelie,

London 11/03/2007 15:24:52

103 reminds me of the story told when I was in the army, about the highland colonel who was caught shagging a sheep. "male or female" was asked. The indignant answer was "female of course: there is nothing queer about the colonel" (I was in a Lowland regiment)

120

SOFBTRC,

A gay little town far far away 11/03/2007 15:25:03

Leave the cops alone.

They're just keeping the "queens' peace".

If only the bigoted sectarian bile spouted at Old Firm games week in, week out, had offended a couple of sensitive rozzers - weegie sectarianism could have been stamped out years ago.

It seems to me that "We hate Jimmy Hill. He's a poof" are two separate statements which are not necessarily related. If the chant indicated that "We hate Jimmy Hill BECAUSE he's a poof", then I could see some transvestite constable get his wife's knickers in a twist over it. But not as it stands.

There are far worse things shouted at football matches that have not yet been dealt with properly.

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matthew in davao,

philippines 11/03/2007 15:41:52

o.k. if gay means' good as you" should it not be G.A.Y. ? i have known and worked with thousands of homosexuals and quite frankly i think they are full of it when they claim discrimination. i never saw it. sure guys might say " he,s a faggot " but not to their face. so what ? if i had a dollar for every time i have been told things like " everybody hates you " i would be amillionaire. i just say i dont give a damn. thats your problem, not mine. if a person is secure and has a strong ego, nothing anyone says can bother him. only guy i ever cared about was the one who signed my check.

122

Hobo Harry,

It's only Kaunas Dorothy 11/03/2007 15:50:51

#129 I'm a Scotman living in the USA and I have never felt as safe as I do here

123

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 16:00:17

#136 then be American.

125

Hobo Harry,

It's only Kaunas Dorothy 11/03/2007 16:02:08

#138 I'm in the process

126

Media 1,

11/03/2007 16:06:32

It will soon be an arrestable offence to refer to someone as fat, specky,skinny etc!

1. We cant smack our kids if they misbehave.

2. We cant hunt the fox.

3. No smoking in public.

4. No name calling.

and the list just goes on..Rapists and murderers get SKY TV though and computers with internet connection as well as gymnasiums and snooker tables, dvd players and playstations...

Is that a normal society?

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Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 16:07:22

#139 What your going to do all that hand on heart stuff in front of the star spangled banner,standing next to every other tom,dick,harry and his wife.Then why even bother saying your a Scotsman?

128

Graham Purdie,

outer Jabrovian mushroom sampling rooms. 11/03/2007 16:20:34

#139 ye"ll end up wi a fet erse n fine yi kennit

129

Handbags At Dawn,

Poised For Victory, Now Victorious! 11/03/2007 16:22:20

I love Jimmy Hill!!

But I love Big Ugo even more!

Nice one Wattie, Ally and the boys!

130

thatscottishwitch,

11/03/2007 16:25:16

Be careful, thatscottishwoman was banned because she is a Troll and is using a new Troll name today it's

"Cutty Sark, the kirkyard"

131

I'm no really here,

11/03/2007 16:30:57

#109. Yea I know, but do you see the point; people have been so busy supporting "Gay Rights" while their own rights have been eaten away bit-by-bit. Anyway I thought the comment on #13 was quite good.

Hope you're still keeping well, and exercising. I've just taken my dogs for a walk.

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Herb Aishus,

Border 11/03/2007 17:03:09

#112 - have a look at post #100 - he has got it right - the dictate about these things comes, not from the cops on the street, but from those at the highest levels. Operational cops find themselves in deep s**t if they 'offend' these minorities. They are heartily sick of the pandering and any suggestions of forming a White Heterosexual Police Association would probably see them sacked for being homophobic. Each to his (or her) own but on a level playing field, not hiding behind those in authority.

133

Centurion2,

Glasgow 11/03/2007 17:27:41

Was there ever such a girning, moaning or paranoid group of people as those who like to be referred to as gays.

Girns is more appropriate.

134

baroda,

SPAIN 11/03/2007 17:29:17

IS THIS WHATS PROTECTING LAW AND ORDER. IF THEY ARE GAY POLICE THATS UP TO THEM AND IF THEY TAKE OFFENCE AT WHAT IS CHANTED AT FOOTBALL GAMES LET THEM GO ON THE STREETS AND CATCH CRIMINALS AND LEAVE THE STRAIGHT POLICE TO DEAL WITH THE FOOTBALL CHANTERS. I QUESTION IF THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT JOB AND WHY ARE THE GAYS ALWAYS WANTING MORE RIGHTS. ITS TIME WE STOPPED PAYING LIP SERVICE TO THESE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM TO GET A LIFE.

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St. Francis of Assissi,

11/03/2007 17:57:41

what about the bile that Glasgow Rangers fans sing FTP,Up to our knees in Fenian blood,and today directed at Jack McConnells wife implying she is a w*ore really excelled themselves,what will happen ,NOTHING

137

St. Francis of Assissi,

Top of the league looking down at the monkeys 11/03/2007 18:04:49

#134 you have never been to a Celtic game if you come away with statements like that granted there used to be songs of that nature but not in the past 3/4 years,as for rangers they do it all the time.

138

Sambo,

The deep south 11/03/2007 18:32:32

#110 Jimbu
That's now been changed to "The Bent Gordons"
Sorry about that Jimmy Shand.

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John2,

Kent 11/03/2007 19:05:07

There is no law (in England) against expressing the view that homosexual practice is morally wrong. Perhaps some clever person can incorporate this into a song/chant and thereby avoid arrest by the boys in blue !

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Derick fae Yell,

By the Clock 11/03/2007 19:12:55

'Girn Pride'?

hmm - it has a definite ring.

Send for Archie, AM and Media 1!!
and mad Mev too.

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Jiimpoo,

Tillietudlem 11/03/2007 19:24:39

Hmmmm,

Shrewsbury Town's home ground
is Gay Meadow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Meadow

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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 19:27:36

Is it true that Jimmy "the chin" Hill is a poof?

144

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 19:33:45

What's wrong with being narrow minded?

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Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 11/03/2007 19:46:30

I don't believe in homosexuality, does this make me a homophobe. I don't think so. This article does tell me just how much freedom of speech Scotland has, and it is almost as bad here.

146

Displaced Scot,

11/03/2007 20:16:09

Those of us who are Homophobic have rights as well

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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 20:22:39

Fair enough Horrible.

Reckon it f*cks people off as well to be told what to think and say then forced to think and say things too.

It's a 2 way street I guess.

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JMR,

Nova Scotia, Canada 11/03/2007 20:40:00

I had an Uncle, who was in the Gordon Highlanders, he was really annoyed, that the meaning had changed. He used to be one of, what was known as the Gay Gordons.

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CJO,

The Maghreb 11/03/2007 20:45:42

#169 - your uncle can rest easy should he have been concerned that this generation of Gordon's would be scarred by being lampooned as the "Gay Gordons" because under NuLab all the old Scottish regiments have been formed into a division. So that's okay then!

150

Jonesy,

holland 11/03/2007 21:10:12

Seems the country these days is run by a bunch of pink fairies. What has happened to free speech? Or is it that folk cant stand up to the minority.

151

holly woof woof,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 21:10:46

You would thnk that the police would have more important things to do than pull have the support out at a match.

152

john montgomery,

11/03/2007 21:13:16

PC (not police constable) gone mad. what next? noe calling neds , neds. remember when the gollies got taken off the jam jars? never once did i associate it with a back person until then.

problem is, I can see the NEDS now making a meal of this and guess what will be the favourite chant at the cops before the neds run for it. The police have made a rod for their own back.

153

john montgomery,

11/03/2007 21:16:15

what about separate showering and toilet facilties. will hetrosexuals be entitled to this? we will now have ladies, gents and hmmmmm...

154

john montgomery,

11/03/2007 21:17:48

I agree with 176 though. no one is perfect.

155

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 21:18:14

We have to be aware that the kind of propaganda spouted by some have made it now socially unacceptable for a male to attend to a distressed child in public (not theirs). What's up with that?

I am a father of 3 (4th on its way). It pains me that I cannot help a distressed child without getting the feeling that I am being judged as some potential pedo.

156

Scaramouche,

11/03/2007 21:35:51

My cousin and his boyfriends are a great laugh and cant take a joke against themselves as much as for. Can't say I've noticed the same with the the alleged "straights" with their views on gay people.

And let's face it, until you get told, how would you know a person is gay or straight? Judging by appearances, speech patterns, looks?? And that's the seed of uninformed bigotry in all its nasty vitriolic glory!

If you don't care for for what gay people do in private, don't think about it. It's no-one's business anyway, except theirs.

It's the unnatural practices of "allegedly" straights that seem to cause more of society's problems anyway!

My wife and family would rather have 10 gay friends than one supposed friend with homophobic views!!!

157

Scaramouche,

11/03/2007 21:36:36

* the first line should read CAN take a joke! Sorry!

158

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 21:43:24

So you are judging people then Scaramouche? You wouldn't be freinds with somebody with a homophobic view? You therefore judge that person for having an opinion.

Nah mate, that's inherently wrong. I have freinds who have homophobic views, anti women views, anti kids views and so on but their views do not influence their friendships with us in the slightest and vice versa. Often, it leads to interesting and heated discussions and debates. It would be very boring if we all had the same view on life, eh?

159

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 11/03/2007 21:47:31

You should ignore that voice Horrible as its that voice that has ruined it for a large part of society and made the likes of myself impotent (not in the literal sense of the word of course as my wife will tell you!).

There as as many pedos now as there were then but it's the little voices in peoples heads including the media that has vilified 50% of the population to the point we are guilty until proven otherwise.

160

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 11/03/2007 22:45:58

From reading these posts I can only assume that Scottish homosexuals are very different to any other gay and lesbian people. All my friends that happen to be gay only wish to be part of an inclusive society and enjoy equal not special rights. I also have friends who are extremely homophobic and realistically you simply can't legislate fear and ignorance out of people. You can only try to educate.
By the way I don't really believe my first sentence.

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 23:19:56

186 - HC

You seem to have been very unlucky as a child, but I can understand exactly where you are coming from. I can also relate absolutely to Dave's posts. It's a no-win situation, mainly brought about by the media - of course it always happened, but I would imagine on a very rare basis, and probably pretty much the same now, although the media has instilled such a phobia that (most) kids now are driven everywhere and lead a very restricted childhood.

I'm assuming that we are all fairly near contemporaries - growing up in the '50's and '60's - we didn't even know about such things then.

It's a very difficult issue to solve, and I'm afraid I don't have the answer, but like Dave, I too would hesitate before helping a child for the same reason, but my humanity would force me to. What do we do?

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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 23:33:54

On a wider note.

It seems to have been a bad day for most of us, sniping at old friends, and being sniped at. Don't know why - maybe the weather - possibly the troll that has assumed so many identities and alienated so many people.

Scotsman take note - ANY new posters should have their chosen names checked by an expert to insure they could not be impersonating existing regular contributers before allowing them to post.

Come on guys - we all disagree on some matters, but there's a core among us who know who their friends are. Witness the tributes last week to Scaramouche, from all sides of the forum.

It's a bit like a family, we disagree, hurl wee barbs at times, but underneath we know who the good guys are and would all stick up for each other if it comes to it.

Wouldn't we........................... ?

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The Wizard,

OZ 11/03/2007 23:44:24

Yobs screaming abust at football matches, so what's new?
It's been going on for years and now it's anti Gay. Next year it will be anti Santa Claus or something else.
We don't get many yobs in the crowd at Aussie Rules matches, the yobs are the ones on the pitch.
I am not Gay or anti Gay, probably anti politician but that's ok.
If people are Gay that's their business and as long as they don't harm anyone then let them live their lives in the manner of their choosing.
Is there proof that being Gay makes people become child abusers?
One of the nicest, most caring people I have ever met was a Gay male nurse. I would have trusted him with my life and the life and wellbeing of any child.
Ignore the yobs, they will eventually get bored and give up.

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Father Damien Karras,

Loadin up the Holy Water Pistol 11/03/2007 23:47:00

I say we blow the sunofabeach no good troll roight out into orbit. If we all put our minds to it and pray with all of our hearts the fechin little monster moight just implode and do us all a favour, and his poor mother, God love her having to bear such a demon, oh the shame for her, the shame.

So in the name of the sun, the fatwa and the Holy spirit (slurp, and not a bad one neither)..I say begone you revolting little toird..*SpLaT* ..*SpLaT* and dont come back..I cast ye out ya pain in the backside..I cast ye out ya talking carbuncle...go on..do one!

That should do the trick bhoys eh?...roight I'l be having a fag off you now for the exorcism....

165

Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 23:47:16

188 - HC

OK, I'm certainly NOT going to argue with you on this subject - you seem to have a much broader experience of it than myself. Maybe I was just lucky as a child, I don't know. But like other sexual perversions, there is probably a fairly constant percentage of offenders. I don't think you can 'teach' or influence peoples sexual preferences to any great degree. However if there is an 'appetite' as you infer, I would agree with yout that there is probably a greater demand and supply, although not necessarily from a greater number of people.

166

Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 23:50:55

Talk o' the De'il.................

167

The Wizard,

OZ 11/03/2007 23:59:54

re my 190

Hope nobody thinks I am condoning sexual predators/child abusers.
It's abhorrent and they need to be dealt with severely.

168

Frodo the Scot,

middle earth 12/03/2007 00:04:36

Have nae feer Cankers by the time thae
Islamo whammo's take over they'll dae awa wie poofs,druggies,pedo's and everyboady that disnae wer a beerd, Yeh iver seen a queer wae a beerd? Wee're awe Doomed

169

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 12/03/2007 00:05:38

#192 Bill, Dunblane: Hi!
An old friend of mine is a probation officer and over the past 30 odd years has had more than his fair share of kiddie fiddlers to deal with. He (my friend) tells me that the most disheartening thing about "them" is that almost universally they deny any wrongdoing, whether at pre-sentencing report stage or parole on release, almost every one of them claims that there is nothing wrong with what they do. Now they are very sick people.

170

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 12/03/2007 00:08:39

#195 Frodo the Scot, middle earth" Sorry to disappoint but several of my queer friends have full beards, some of them are gay and perhaps lesbian too!

171

Frodo the Scot,

middle earth 12/03/2007 00:22:25

# 197 Ur they undercover or fulltime "I'll
play the man part" actors....Never seen a Lezzie wie a beerd. Is that like a kiwi
N.Z only?

172

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 12/03/2007 00:33:40

#198: Nope they're openly gay. The second part I'm afraid I can't answer I don't know any lesbians outside of NZ but from what I saw while at university I would guess that they're not unique!!!

173

Hamlet,

Richmond, Virginia 12/03/2007 00:44:38

One time I thought I might like to retire to my ancestor's homeland - Scotland - but not now - your political correctness has gone amuck and would be embraced by the Nazi Party in times past. Do you have a list of all of the sexual perversions Scotland now accepts ????? so that visitors might know what to accept just walking down Scotland's street ???

174

John M.,

12/03/2007 00:59:41

People like Hamish Husband should face the exact same legal penalties that Old Firm fans do for sectarian breach of the peace.

175

Lawman,

Lawville 12/03/2007 01:04:05

Just too bloody funny!
Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the squad of soldiers suddenly go all namby pamby on the parade square......too bloody funny!

Over sensitive gay police officers. Deary deary me.
P.C. Murdoch is spinning in his grave!

176

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 12/03/2007 01:06:57

#201 weeshooie1, Australia:

Gidday! Good point re the Barmy Army, we had a version of them here on the last Lion's tour, great crowd, but of course they're cricket and rugger fans and not the uncouth fitba louts!!!!

ps: I started out life as a Dundee United fan. Come on tha Arabs!!!!!!!!!

177

John M.,

12/03/2007 01:15:10

People have been having their lives turned upside down for the past few years simply because they shouted some non-PC stuff at a Rangers or Celtic games nobody would have batted an eyelid at 20 years ago.

Tartan Army types have been applauding the onslaught on "the Old Firm bigots" at the same time they continued their homophobic and anglophobic chanting at Scotland games seemingly oblivious to the fact that they were "bigots" as well in PC terms.

Now it looks like the Tartan Army will finally get a taste of the same medicine. In the words of Pastor Niemoller,

"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

178

Penquinboy,

Auckland NZ 12/03/2007 03:59:17

Yo weeshooie1:

Funny that when I was a teenager in Dundee I was also into hill walking and tramping but managed to put in a few appearances at Tannadice Park to see the Arabs at home, but mostly I did that pre-teens. When I was old enough to find out about the opposite sex tramping was much more attractive.

179

Robbie,

NZ 12/03/2007 04:13:24

206. Weeshooie1
All the ‘northerners will be ‘abed’ and snoring now. Your post brought back memories.
Don’t know where - don’t know when (sounds like I’m bursting intae song) you went to school Shoouie
But I wonder if hiking and nature had more emphasis in days gone bye? Climbing dykes and moving around certainly did. The cubs and scouts were popular and we use to hike out to Auchengillan to camp (all the leaders then seemed were great and beyond ‘suspicion’ were we naive?). The ‘Campsies’ were another favourite spot and tramping and bird spotting bird outside Eaglesham, Busby and over to Millport - it was never boring and you coulnae get obese if ye tried.
At school we had the wall ‘wireless’ and had a weekly ‘Nature Study ‘ programme (I’ve still the cover of one from 1955) and kids without thinking could recognise common birds, trees and different newts. I’ve relations in Oz and their kids are dab-hands at their nature study - don‘t know what they’re like in Scotland now?
Nature - the real World - the World around us not the ‘reality’ world of ‘Big Brother’.

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The Wizard,

OZ 12/03/2007 04:37:35

Hi Robbie. Another good one.
Like you, I went to school when exercise, hiking, nature study were regular events.
Later I joined the RAF and joined RAF Mountain Rescue. Climbed all over Scotland, England and Wales. Like you say, no chance of getting overweight.
Now in my 'dotage' (I think that's the word) we head off regularly with a group of likeminded friends into the bush. Do bird surveys for the national database and generally enjoy being out there.
We also do voluntary work with the Ag Dept and Conservation Dept.
Plenty fresh air, quite hard work at times but as they say 'nobody ever drowned in sweat'
Hope I can keep it up!!!!!!!!!

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Robbie,

TLOTLWC 12/03/2007 05:31:38

209. The Wizard, OZ
Hello the Wiz - good stuff - but didn’t guess you were over 90 (dotage).
“..voluntary work’ where would our societies be without volunteers. I had to give up some due to, what certain paid professionals expected to be done free while they took commissions - long stories.

Talking to some friends (both Scots) last week both in middle 80s and very active. Two others are exactly the same age (middle 70s but one is old and the other young - one would think there is 15 year between them.
Hope I can keep it up!!!!!!! (Getting personal now) Keeping active mentally is the answer I believe. ‘They’ (who know all) say that people refuse to age now but study - go on-line - dance - get involved in environmental issues and projects and keep up the loving. Eat well - drink well and have a wee spirited debate but don’t seek enemies. I’m away reorganising shelves (sooo exciting) but look forward to a bit of news later.

182

Robbie,

TLOTLWC 12/03/2007 05:33:34

BTW
Did you get this one posted today?
ROFLMHO

183

The Wizard,

OZ 12/03/2007 07:43:59

Robbie

Dotage, just kidding.

Wife reckons I will be a year older on Wednesday, I reckon I will only be two days older.

Must brush up on my Maths.

184

Robbie,

NZ 12/03/2007 08:08:40

213. weeshooie1, Australia / 7:47am 12 Mar 2007
Really enjoyed that - we should start an Antipodeans forum that is ‘chronologically’ vetoed to suit our time.
Then we could post when we’re awake not at some ungodly northern hemisphere hour. Although there are some really great ‘guys’ (of both sexes, Eve and Heather) who somehow have ‘superhuman’ capabilities and when they are sleeping still post - how? - Maybe it’s in their porrage.
Anyways - Ah hoped ye enjoyed yer tea. Regards to you and the Wiz.

185

Heilan laddie,

12/03/2007 12:50:21

Are the police really going to charge 60,000 people with breach of the peace all at once?

Anyhow! "We all still hate Jimmy Hill, he's still a poof, he's still a poof"

186

Robbie,

NZ (First to greet the day) 12/03/2007 17:13:02

Good morning - planet Earth.
Just after 6:00am here and away to put the kettle on.
Hi Dragonhead - Mongolian milk? Is that the pink milk from 'YAKS'? - or am I thinking of Tibetan pink milk?
I'll be in NZ until I die - so if I've been here too long!!!
I better ring the undertakers and check out their specials.

187

Robbie,

NZ 12/03/2007 21:46:52

221. weeshooie1, Australia / 6:47pm 12 Mar 2007
I’m to be mixed with compost and seeded with thistles. Morbid the day - whit wull wi’ dae wi’ oor ashes?
Ah’m awa tae plan the ‘plot’.

188

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 12/03/2007 22:24:20

#153

Love Street, anyone? Or don't away games count?

I've been to plenty of "Celtic games" (or "Dundee United v the minks", as I prefer to call them), but none of these were in the past three quarters of a year.

Why are the last nine months of particular relevance in this debate? And why don't the prior 118 years of your history count? Were they all away games? Or have we at last found a weegie who doesn't "know yir history"?

189

Robbie,

NZ 12/03/2007 22:45:03

SOFBTRC
This needs translating by The Wizard!!

190

Frodo the Scot,

middle earth 13/03/2007 00:11:27

Hey Cankers Hiv they dicidid whoose gonny play yer part in yer life movie? Ah see at leest 2 mibby 3 books Ah suggest the beautfool Helen Mirren or mibby yon lass that plaid Lexie in Monark o the glen
guid luck tae yeh hen yiv ernd it.


 

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