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Published Date: 16 March 2008
HIS only crime was to be gay. For that he was half-drowned, brutally beaten and then fell into a coma. He survived, escaped from jail, fled his country and eventually arrived, exhausted and bedraggled, here in Scotland. And now the Government wants to send him back.
Syrian Jojo Jako Yakob last night pleaded with the Home Office to reverse a deportation order and spare him the certain death he believes he will face if he returns to his country. "I wish to claim asylum and I wish to stay here in Scotland," he said.

Gay rights activists demanded that homosexuals, such as Yakob, who were facing clear persecution in their homeland, should be granted asylum. But a spokesman for the Syrian Embassy responded by describing homosexuality as a "disease", which the country sought to "treat".

The 19-year-old is now to embark on a landmark legal challenge in order to reverse the deportation order so he can spend the rest of his life in Scotland.

Yakob fled his homeland two years ago after managing to survive a harrowing ordeal at the hands of Syrian police and prison guards, when he was arrested for distributing anti-government leaflets.

Following his transfer from police interrogation, prison guards soon discovered that Yakob, a member of the repressed Kurdish minority in the Arab state, was homosexual. He then suffered horrific beatings and was assaulted so badly that he fell into a coma. After being transferred to hospital, he managed to flee to Lebanon making for London, holed up in a lorry.

He applied for asylum and was granted extended leave by the Home Office, but was then arrested in Aberdeen last April after being found in possession of a fake Belgian passport. He was handed a 12-month sentence and sent to Polmont Young Offenders Unit in Falkirk.

His lawyers say his asylum application was then mistakenly withdrawn and, as a result, he has been served with a deportation order, pending a final hearing this May.

If unsuccessful, he will be sent back to Syria. He has been kept at Polmont as a remand prisoner until that date.

His case mirrors that of gay Iranian teenager Mehdi Kazemi, 19, who was this week allowed to stay in Britain after claims that he would be executed if returned to his homeland.

Now, while detained at Polmont, Yakob has appealed against a Home Office deportation order and has instructed top Scottish QC, Mungo Bovey, to fight his case.

Yakob is terrified of being returned to Syria, where homosexuality is illegal, and believes that if he returns, he faces certain death.

Speaking from Polmont last night, Yakob explained why he fears a return to his homeland. "I wish to seek asylum in the UK for a number of reasons," he said.

"My father is a politician with the Yakiti Party – pro-Kurdish and anti-government. I was arrested when I was 15 years of age for possession of anti-government material. These were basic leaflets for my father's political party.

"My father was imprisoned before I left Syria for 13 years for anti-government activity."

Of his arrest, he added: "I was then tortured. I was beaten. At one point I was put up against a wall and a handgun pointed at me. I was told that if I did not tell the authorities what they wanted to know they would shoot me dead. I did not tell them anything, I did not think they would shoot me.

"The police officer then shot me in my upper left arm. At that point, I told them what they wanted to know as I believed that they would shoot me dead."

Yakob says he was held in police cells for 20 days without charge and subjected to daily electric shock torture and beatings before being transferred to Ahdas Prison, by the Turkish border.

In prison, he formed a relationship with a gay prisoner named Hassain. Yakob explained: "Hassain was serving a sentence, he told me, for 25 years. He told me that the sentence was only because he was gay.

"The Syrian government claim that they do not imprison people any longer for being gay and that in any event the maximum sentence is three years. This is not true. The Syrian authorities will always find other charges to bring against a person."

After the pair were seen sleeping together in jail, Yakob said he was subjected to systematic beatings, which "went on for days into weeks".

He added: "This was all because I was gay. No questions were asked of me about my father's political party or any other political activity. All the questions related to me being gay.

"I was also subjected to cold-water torture, where I was put in a room and buckets of cold water were constantly thrown over me. I could not remember what day it was or how long I had been in prison.

"One day I woke up in hospital in a nearby town of Kamishli. The doctor who was treating me told me that I had been in a coma for 20 days. He said to the authorities that I could not return to prison as I was not fit and I could not stand trial until I had had a rest. He suggested that I be sent home for recuperation."

Yakob then decided to flee to the UK. "I went home and after two weeks or so I was feeling better. By that time I had decided that the only option I had was to leave Syria. I left Syria and in 20 days or so arrived in the UK by lorry at Dover. I wish to claim asylum and I wish to stay here in Scotland."

News of Yakob's case last night sparked outrage among Scotland's gay rights and equality groups.

Stonewall director Calum Irving said: "We have serious concerns about the UK's immigration policy, especially since it appears that people are being sent back to countries where their safety is not guaranteed and where they could be persecuted just for being gay."

A spokeswoman for Edinburgh-based Equality Network added: "I feel that we shouldn't be sending people back to countries where they will be persecuted, even if they entered the country illegally."

But a spokesman for the Syrian Embassy in London denied last night that torture of gay people took place. He said: "Homosexuality is illegal in Syria, but there are no special units to deal with this problem.

"People are not prosecuted – society looks at this as a disease for which they can be treated – it is a similar position to that taken by the Vatican. I cannot give a clearer answer."

Yakob will appear before a full immigration hearing in Glasgow on May 7 to determine his fate. Yakob claims that he wants to start a new life in Scotland.

He said: "If I was to return to Syria, I would either be returned to jail for my political activities, for having left the country and being gay, or alternatively I would be put into the army for the three-year period.

"It is likely that they would put me into the army on the basis that the army would kill me one way or the other."

Reprieve for gay Iranian

A gay teenager from Iran remains on temporary reprieve after Home Secretary Jacqui Smith vowed to reconsider his deportation to the Islamic Republic.

Meanwhile, human rights activists have vowed to take Mehdi Kazemi's case to the EU courts, which on Friday issued a resolution asking the Netherlands and the UK to "find a common solution to ensure that he is granted asylum or protection on EU soil".

The youth arrived in England in 2005 to learn English and applied for asylum soon after learning of the execution of his same-sex partner under Iran's sodomy laws. After the refusal of his request for asylum, Kazemi fled to Holland to avoid deportation from the UK.

However, a request from British authorities to return the 19-year-old in order to complete the deportation process was upheld last week by the Dutch Supreme Court. After an outcry from gay rights campaigners, who claim that the youngster faces execution, the Home Secretary has stepped in to review the decision.

ONLINE PETITION

We, the undersigned, urge the British government to rescind the deportation order against Jojo Jako Yakob and grant him asylum to stay in this country. We believe it would be an act of inhumanity to force his return to Syria, where it is almost certain he would be tortured and even killed on account of his sexuality.

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1

Gary McL,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 00:15:54
I support this petition. Signed: Gary McLean Quin EH7 4JH
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Doreen McGeady,

16/03/2008 00:42:17
I totally support this petition, signed Doreen McGeady
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subrosa,

16/03/2008 00:47:51
He said: "If I was to return to Syria, I would either be returned to jail for my political activities, for having left the country and being gay, or alternatively I would be put into the army for the three-year period.

"It is likely that they would put me into the army on the basis that the army would kill me one way or the other."

It seems he knew the score regarding political activities and he also knew the punishment.
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16/03/2008 01:03:04
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Yane,

melbourne 16/03/2008 02:10:24
If it helps to have an international petition I sign —
Elaine Fell
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Julian.,

edinburgh 16/03/2008 02:26:40
Dragonhead,

I suppose if you live in a country like China where they execute political opponents you would have a view like that.

Next you'll be telling us that Tinannamen Square was resonable use of force.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 16/03/2008 03:12:04
He should have sought asylum in the NEAREST safe country to Syria. Scotland's name may start with the same first letter as Syria's, but last time I looked, Scotland was in Europe and Syria was in Asia.

The only petition I'll be signing is one to have him sent elsewhere.
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Dominic Gomes,

India 16/03/2008 04:42:47
I totally support this petition, signed Dominic Gomes
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 16/03/2008 04:55:58
Why does his sexual orientation play such a big part of this story. He is a political activist trying to bring down his own government who came to Scotland and partook in illegal activities here.

I trust that the authorities who review the case will consider the relevant facts and ignore his bleatings about the types of sexual activities he enjoys!
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16/03/2008 05:02:46
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sharon g,

16/03/2008 05:34:29
i support this petition.sharon grierson
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16/03/2008 06:08:30
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16/03/2008 06:09:40
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16/03/2008 06:13:43
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BenTen,

16/03/2008 06:16:56
Gay has now become the 'in' excuse for political asylum seekers - send one back and you wont hear that excuse again.

This does a dis-service to both genuine refugees and the gay community.
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16/03/2008 06:19:56
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 06:31:18
Of course this kid should be allowed to stay. Wishing him back there is inhuman on a breathtaking scale. Scottish or Syrian bigots, it does not matter where you come from - your views are reprehensible and shame on you.....

PLEASE consider my name proudly attached to the petition.

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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 06:31:50
Oh yeah - and as the Feerst Meenister was just exchanging pleasantries with the representative of another despotic mid-east regime (Iran) are we to expect a similarly feeble response this time? If not then he needs to check his internal contradictions meter... it'll be going off the clock!
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 06:34:35
Oh and as for "Open" (No.11) I think that clearly refers to your mouth and not your mind.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 06:40:48
#20 - you think Iran is a "safe country"???

I would NOT like to be in a car with you as the driver. (or before a revolutionary tribunal with you as the decapitator!)
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Encephalon,

16/03/2008 06:56:16
A Syrian-so just why is he seeking asylum in this country???????

Get him sent back pronto along with the other asylum-seeking chancers who are taking this country for a ride!

Incidently this exemplifies what a lovely tolerant religion Islam is-the shape of things to come in this country if we do not start to address the problem-ironically because of allowing in too many muslims. Having worked in muslim countries I can testify that the religion is totally incompatible with our culture.

However in saying that it is not all bad-it does have some good points!


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16/03/2008 06:58:24
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Martha,

16/03/2008 07:04:11
Can his story be verified, or is he another agent planted by Iran?
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Encephalon,

16/03/2008 07:11:42
#15 Wee Berty -the nation has turned into a sick joke-but people are starting to wake up to the fact that the ordinary person is being screwed by its own Government who are not protecting their interests. In fact they are doing exactly the opposite and appear determined to destroy our culture-and then they want you to pledge allegiance-extracting the urine big-time!

There is a recession coming very shortly and things are going to get very ugly-we will see the reality of Scotland's imaginary tolerance re immigrants, asylum seekers and Eastern European economic migrants.
When they start taking the bread from your mouth, steal your house, overburden your social services and education, flood your area with crime- that is when people will react.
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16/03/2008 07:13:18
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Keyboard supporter,

16/03/2008 07:19:53
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the situation (i'd personally hoof him out the country) is the scotsman only having an online petition because of his sexual orientation ? If he was allowed to stay whats to stop any asylum seeker claiming likewise - typically naive moral paiety displayed by pseudo intellectual liberals who only come into contact with immigrants when their eating their chicken jalfrezi at the weekend - try asking residents of numerous council estates like myself who have to deal with mass influx of immigrants what we feel.

Of course if you complain you're just racist - what an utter laughing stock we have become

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Thierry G.,

West of France 16/03/2008 07:30:59
I would like to sign the petition. The father of a gay daughter, I know now how much gays and lesbians suffer in their own flesh because of their sexuality. There is clearly a great deal of hypocrisy on the subject. The bigoted manly-man comments appended at the end of the article clearly show the limits of the humain brain.
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Alastair M,

Amsterdam 16/03/2008 07:34:24
I am happy to support this petition.
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HA,

Beith 16/03/2008 07:38:14
I totally support the right of all gay men and women to be true to their sexual natures, but clearly Scotland is not the first safe country for an individual fleeing persecution in Syria.

This person had a fake Belgian passport, so he already had a support system on the Continent. Therefore one has to ask why he decided to be illegally smuggled into this country when he was already on safe ground.

HE DID NOT NEED TO FLEE TO SCOTLAND FROM EUROPE. HE WAS SAFE THERE.
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16/03/2008 07:42:30
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David from Edinburgh,

Hanoi 16/03/2008 07:42:31
As a Scot working in Viet Nam I support this petition, he should be allowed to stay.
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whateverthename,

16/03/2008 07:42:44
open,
"Any society throughout history that has catered to radical homosexual groups has fallen"
course you can give us a couple of examples
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Barry Henderson,

London 16/03/2008 07:52:02
Very saddened by the level of bigotry in reaction to this story. Thre seems a definite lack of empathy for the terrible plight of this young man.

Please add my name to the petition.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 16/03/2008 07:52:48
Send him to Malaysia. They have similar views on sodomy. Scotsman NOTE: The majority of posts to this story do not support your petition and must not be counted as such.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 16/03/2008 07:57:32
#34 Start with Rome. England under Edward II did not do so well. I think it was called Bannockburn. There are plenty of other examples.
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eric,

16/03/2008 08:02:26
11, Paranoia Paradise!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 16/03/2008 08:04:40
Mr Salmond's views will be interesting on this, wonder what Mr Soutar and Bishop Devine will let him say? Not very much I shouldn't wonder, still wee Geordie Gallway is another bonnie fechter, he'll stand up for political freedoms wherever they're under threat.....uh-oh he seems to have described this fascistic one party Ba'athist state as the last castle of Arab dignity, surely some mistake?
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 08:08:08
#38 - "Start with Rome" - you are a laughing stock

Rome - and before it Greece - where two of the most influential and long lasting of civilizations in human history - whose influence is, incidentally, still felt and beneficial to this day - if gays had a hand in either then you have a LOT to thank them for.

Notice you do not list the "plenty of other examples" Really your bigotry comes through as clearly as your points are feeble. Don't try to hde your bigotry be proud of it. Dont try to cloth it in history - you don't have the evidence. Why don't you just say that plenty of people were tortured, maimed, imprisoned and killed for being homosexual throughout history.... At least that is accurate and something you can be proud of.

"Drum Major" - somehow I doubt that too...!


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Argyll on line,

Scotland 16/03/2008 08:13:46
Enough of them in Scotland already thanks very much.
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Kenny A,

16/03/2008 08:17:09
Difficult question this one.

To set things clearly, homosexaulity genuinely revolts me. It goes both against the laws of man and God. Now that is only my position and many will disagree with it. Perhaps its a phobia that is beyond my control in the way that people fear hights or insects, neither bother me for some reason. I am also against people battering gays, hate religious or racial discrimination and have always tried to be tolerent of others views.

However I do not think that this lad should face the death sentence if he does return to Syria. It is however a crime in his native land and that must be taken into account as well as false passports etc.

Each country has different views on the subject and if it is proven he is in real danger if he returns to Syria then a more accepting country could be where he should go. I believe the Netherlasnds and Sweden are fairly tolerent.
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Kenny A,

16/03/2008 08:18:16
34

Sparta
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Kenny A,

16/03/2008 08:21:31
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Macadonia as well but they both could fight, I find it strange that some Islamic countries kill gays when often it is accepted that apart from a few wifes some men also have boyfriends, you see them holding hands in the street.

Very uncomfortable experience watching this.
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albanman,

16/03/2008 08:22:51
Homophobia - the last acceptable prejudice of narrow minds.

I gladly sign this petition. David Coupar, Edinburgh
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eric,

16/03/2008 08:26:24
Remember Scottish gay folk pay taxes to education!Id rather live in a street full of gay people .Than Louts hanging around drinking dealing drugs.The more Culture the better .Its already drowning out our own Bigots .
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Garry Otton,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 08:28:01
In the name of common decency.
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Kenny A,

16/03/2008 08:37:24
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Of course they pay taxes but a lot of them also drink and do drugs as well.

I certainly would not choose to live in a street full of druggies or gays because both are seriously against the grain for me.

Now can you explain the culture part of your post, because it looks like you are stating all straight people are druggies and alcoholics without culture.

I do take it was not your intention.
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Auckland Arab2,

16/03/2008 08:39:23
"was then arrested in Aberdeen last April after being found in possession of a fake Belgian passport. He was handed a 12-month sentence and sent to Polmont Young Offenders Unit in Falkirk."

I don't care if he is gay or not but he broke the law and should be deported. Happy to have law abiding imigrants stay in the country but not crims.
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eric,

16/03/2008 08:42:30
49.As you and most folk know ,Its NOT gay folk standing at street corners drinking doing drugs .Most of them are law abiding hard working tax paying(thanks )Citizens.The Grain you speak of .That would probably form their oppinions from The Sun newspaper etc.I understand that and respect that.
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9/11 was an inside job,

We've got enough gays 16/03/2008 08:43:04
Nothing to do with the fact that Britain (Scotland in particuar) has the most generous welfare system in the world. What was wrong with France, Spain, Germany etc?

I have no sympathy for people like him. I'd send the gay chancer back to Syria. I hope he finds the level of persecution in this country so bad that he decides to bugg*er off back to Syria at the first opportunity. We don't want debauched, welfare scrounging migrants over here!
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Ceolmor,

Canada 16/03/2008 08:46:25
Send him to Canada. Why would he want to stay in a bigoted, racist, homophobic country like Scotland anyway?

I had a tough time growing up in Scotland, just because I was Roman Catholic!
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E300,

tomich 16/03/2008 08:47:09
Great support from India, Amsterdam, San Francisco, Brisbane, Melbourne, London and Hanoi all for this young illegal immigrant crook to live in Scotland!
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donald,

glasgow 16/03/2008 08:49:47
"Jojo Yakob, who has asked us not to reveal his identity, is fearful of the authorities in his native Syria. Photograph: AFP"

So why reveal his name then?
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Tris,

Dundee 16/03/2008 08:53:32

There are some ghastly hateful and incredibly ignorant people in this country, spouting a whole pile of uninformed trash. I wish you the same as you wish him.....for having red hair or for having being short or wearing glasses or something else you can't help. I hope one day you're in a situation where a fake passport may be the only way you can stay alive.

Ignorant scum. I'm ashamed to be in the same country as some of you; I'd rather deport you than him

I sign the petition, and congratulate Scotland on Sunday for its humanity.



I support the petition to keep him in this country.
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mrsbruce,

Livingston 16/03/2008 08:55:54
I support this petition.
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Calum Crubag,

16/03/2008 08:56:38
Who needs Islamic fundamentalists when you have bigots like Dragonhead and Rulesnotrulers. Full of the milk of human kindness, eh chaps? Glad i don't live in your black and white world. I bet yon bigot Devine from the Catholic church is pleased with this too. Yeah, lock up the gays or send them to execution...

next stop - ban condoms, punish adultery and abortion by death, no sex before marriage, stop all sex education, ban films with sex scenes...

then, let's deal with the disabled, the poor, foreigners....


Funny how some people want to regress. Sad f##ks.
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Seoulmate,

The Black Isle 16/03/2008 08:57:21
I am embarrassed and repulsed by some of these comments. I did not think it was possible that people could still have these narrow minded and out of date views. What surprises me is the unnerving vein of hatred that runs through many of the comments. To voice an opinion is your prerogative to voice hatred and spite is unacceptable. It makes me so proud to be Scottish.

Please add my name to the petition.
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eric,

16/03/2008 08:58:06
Everyone is entitled to an oppinion,I think the comments are pretty mild compaired to the bile that came out the Bishops mouth last week.Im Happy things are changing Fast in Scotland.
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Dennis,

North Isles 16/03/2008 09:00:59
I support the petition.

Dennis Gowland, Orkney

sad to see the level of ignorance and bigotry on this thread.
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Canon George Burgon,

Kettering 16/03/2008 09:06:14
I support this young man's right to stay in our country.Being gay is not a disease but a part of the diversity of God given human nature. If the Vatican and Syria are of the same mind then I am thankful I have nothing to do with either of these repressive regimes.
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Jmhzx,

brighton 16/03/2008 09:07:30

Please let this man stay in Scotland

John Maguire
Brighton
England
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eric,

16/03/2008 09:07:38
I support the petition,End.
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Jmhzx,

brighton 16/03/2008 09:11:35

Please let this man stay in Scotland

John Maguire
Brighton
England
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 09:20:34
You know the depressing part of all this is the fact that I am reading the Scotsman in the company of so many hateful bigoted and ill-educated people. Does that say something serious about the Scotsman or about Scotland.

As for the reader (#54) that notes so many contributions from abroad (by no means all of those supporting the petition - but certainly some) - is it any wonder that so many Scots choose to like abroad when Scotland daily becomes a more despoiled land lost to bigots and the ignoramuses.

As for "kenny A" - your numpty talk would drive me to do something much worse - listen to Kenny Gee!!!
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 09:21:15
Its a sad story, but where do you draw the line?
What if this lad is allowed to stay and suddenly there is 1000 gay muslims wanting asylum?
Are we saying that all countries who have advanced to the point in which they see their way of life as the most perfect, are now responsible for those nations who are less advanced?
Im not saying that the lad should be sent back, but what are we saying about future incidents? Are all the people of the world who face persecution welcome to come and reside in Britain at the expense of the tax payer?
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sceptic,

16/03/2008 09:22:45
This young man should be allowed to stay in Scotland under the supervision of the Lothian and Border Police. They have an ideal senior officer who would surely take an interest in this young man's future, I quote from the recent Edinburgh Evening News article.

"He says he is looking for outgoing males aged 18-40 for "friendship, chat/e-mail and other activities".
The officer, who campaigns for gay rights in the police, said his online presence had allowed other homosexual officers to speak to him about coming out.
"It's a light-hearted bit of frivolous fun," the 55-year-old said.
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16/03/2008 09:24:54
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The Ninja,

Bonnie Scotland 16/03/2008 09:27:43
ach, same crap, different day. The p.c brigade jumping up and down and calling us racist, ignorant, bigots, scum etc & why is this ?

"he managed to flee to Lebanon making for London"
Why did he not stop anywhere else on the way ?

"entered the country illegally"
& you want to allow it ?

"fake Belgian passport"
hmm, another law broken.

"top Scottish QC"
& guess who gets to pay for this ?

So, because I/we object to him being here I get branded racist, ignorant, bigoted, scum etc, when are you lot going to wake up & smell the coffee ? we are the laughing stock. I don't care if they are white/brown/black/yellow or green, if they shouldn't be here then THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE !
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McHoot,

Brisbane 16/03/2008 09:29:45
Drum Major you are a nincompoop and a bigot and I am ashamed to live in the same city as you. So you want to send a teenage kid to his likely death, do you? Can't have any'horse's hoofs' in UK, can we? Homophobes like you always concern me. It seems they protest too much. Is there something in your closet you want to tell us about, you mean-spirited SOB?
Let the laddie stay or let him come to Oz if Scotland is too homophobic for him. Well done those caring folk who said he should stay.
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Mikey,

16/03/2008 09:30:37
It's amazing to find all these homophobes online. Then again, I guess we shouldn't be surprised as being online allows these people to vent their spleen without ever having to be called to account.

Homophobes are usually terrified of their own sexuality and see a gay man round every corner. They worry about the size of their appendages and think that lesbians just need a good 'seeing to' to help them mend their ways. They also think that they're God's gift to women and brand women who don't fancy them as lesbians. As well as being homophobic, they tend also to be misanthropic. Ring any bells, boys?

As to this story, did the person enter the UK first or did he transit here from another EU country? If he came here first, he's entitled to the protection of the law, if not, then he can be sent back to his port of entry.
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Peter The Imperfect,

Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008 09:30:53
How naive can you get-have a petition to save one asylum seeker who has actually broken the law. No doubt all the Gay lib mob will organise to add their names.

In the interests of democracy -plaese can The Scotsman have another petition to SEND EVERYONE of them back ASAP!
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The Ninja,

Bonnie Scotland 16/03/2008 09:35:21
#71 & #72 - This is exactly the kind of crap I'd expect, it has nothing to do with him being gay, it has to be with him being here ILLEGALY !
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E300,

tomich 16/03/2008 09:38:39
66 Stephen fae Scotland, San Francisco
"You know the depressing part of all this is the fact that I am reading the Scotsman in the company of so many hateful bigoted and ill-educated people. Does that say something serious about the Scotsman or about Scotland.
As for the reader (#54) that notes so many contributions from abroad when Scotland daily becomes a more despoiled land lost to bigots and the ignoramuses."

All that because I said "this young illegal immigrant crook" ought not to be allowed to live in Scotland.
I should further point out that with the young man's criminal record he would not even be allowed(correctly in my view) to visit your adopted homeland.

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Johnnyf,

Scotland 16/03/2008 09:41:37
I support the petition, it's time the government had a good hard look at the draconian laws on deportation. I am not suggesting that we open the floodgates to all but there are special circumstances. I recently knew two young girls who were deported to an African country they fled after their father's political execution.
To "Drum Major" - I suppose your theory explains the chaos in this country under Edward Heath also.
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Peter The Imperfect,

16/03/2008 09:42:45
#56 So anyone who does not share your pink-eyed view of the world and is against being flooded by criminal scroungers is "Ignorant scum" are they. How liberal and informed is that?

Think we can see who the real facists are-ie those who would deny freedom of speech when the clear majority in Scotland do not share their PC liberal views.

The RC Bishop was quite right to speak out against the Gay mafia that is perverting our country. The only problem is the judiciary is second only to the CoE as being the career of choice for these people -so he may get to stay!
76

Kenny A,

16/03/2008 09:43:10
66

Stephen got to draw issue with you on this one.

I made my feelings on this issue fairly blunt. Compared to a few of the more fair minded comments posted, yours does not look good.

It always seems to be the gay community complaining about their rights and everyone elses ignorance. Fair enough but they make a hell of a lot of noise, and seem hell bent on converting everyone else to their own beliefs.

If someone straight says different they are vilaffied, and accused of just about everything under the sun.

I am not gay and have stated that fairly clearly, I am a product of my upbring, nature whatever. I do not go out of my way to give anyone different from me a hard time and never have. I have seen on occasions gay folks who are so intollerent of anyone else it is sickining.

I also bloody detest neo nazis, racists, religious lunies and their ilk. I also think that the Bishop mentioned earlier is a pillock.

Now I will probably get it in the neck, but I do not understand the gay lifestyle because it is totaly alien to me and my beliefs and have no wish to try it. Thats my point of view.

Now forgive my ignorance but who is Kenny Gee.
77

Dr Murray Hill,

Aberdeen 16/03/2008 09:46:30
I support this petition.
78

Dr Murray Hill,

Aberdeen 16/03/2008 09:47:16
I support this petition.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 09:49:29
The question is this;
Has the lad broken the law in terms of his visa conditions?
If the answer is yes, he must be dealt with.
The next question is. Where do we draw the line on sending people back to places less advanced than our western worlds? AND, Do we limit it to one person or do we accept 1000, 2000 or even 15 000 (in this case)homosexual muslims?
If homosexuality is illegal in Iran, Sudan or anywhere else for that matter, it is none of our business to intervene. Homosexuality was frowned upon in the western world, it still is in certain quarters..In fact, if you gave power to the christian masses in America, they would round up the homosexuals and murder them in the name of their god fellow. So we are no different in the west, its just that we have strong laws and systems in place that prevent the fundamentalist christian world from taking over.
Personally, I hope the lad is permitted to stay in Scotland, but by doing so I also realise I am opening a can of very dangerous worms,because if the lad is allowed to stay, another 2000 will crawl out the woodwork tomorrow. and then what?
81

Happy to be leaving,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 09:49:46
I sign the petition to keep this man in the country

To all the members of the public who posted their comments regarding this man and his future in this country. Here are a few of questions for you 1. Does entering the country illegally merit execution? 2. Does being gay deserve execution? 3. Does being in posession of a fake pssport deserve execution? 4. Does expressing your minority political beliefs deserve execution? If you answered yes to any or all of the above perhaps you should consider takeing his place on the plane as Syria would be a far more appropriate place for your political values. I for one am glad that my country will do the decent thing (hopefully) and grant this man asylum. I'm just ashamed that my fellow countrymen and women have become so complacent as to the luck we have living in a country that values justice so highly. I only hope that you never experience one percent of the injutices this man has faced.

I really hope that most of you have just not been thinking straight.

If you have... shame on you for valueing human life so lightly.
82

www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

Dundee 16/03/2008 09:50:47
Drew33

I would be careful with your language as their are laws which deal with hate and you are dangerously close to that.
83

Boy Wonder,

16/03/2008 09:50:48
I happily support the petition. Not because of his homosexuality, but because of his home country's vilification and savage treatment of their gay population

Nice to see all the homophobes coming out of the woodwork yet again. Keep shouting you lot ... you're only identifying yourselves if Gay Militants ever decide to take up arms against you! :D
84

www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

Dundee 16/03/2008 09:54:20
I support the petition to grant ayslum to this young man.
85

Alan RH,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 09:55:01
I fully support this petition. Alan Henderson
86

Transparent?,

Scotland 16/03/2008 10:00:40
Believe this 'guy' and you'll believe anything!

Another insult to our intelligence.
87

Peter The Imperfect,

Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008 10:01:25
#84 " I would be careful with your language as their are laws which deal with hate and you are dangerously close to that."


#85 "Nice to see all the homophobes coming out of the woodwork yet again. Keep shouting you lot ... you're only identifying yourselves if Gay Militants ever decide to take up arms against you"


Thank you for illustrating my point with your "threats".

We can see who the real facists are-ie those who would deny freedom of speech when the clear majority in Scotland do not share their PC liberal views.


88

It's me!,

16/03/2008 10:05:47
He could have found safe asylum much closer to Syria than Scotland.

He was arrested for distributing anti-government leaflets, not for being a homosexual.

How did the prison guards discover he is homosexual? I presume it is not tatooed on his forehead so was he found to be conducting sex this way by the guards. I'm not condoning the action of the guards he claims to have suffered. There is no corroboration for this claim.

There is no way he was 'holed up' in a lorry for a journey from Lebanon to the UK. He had to get off the lorry at some point during the journey. He could have applied for refuge in any country from Italy onwards.

I doubt if he would be executed in say, Bahrain or Dubai, so why not ask these moslem countries which are already accepting foreign labour if they will accept him.

Scotland is not the only safe place he can find. Personally I believe he came to Scotland because it is the best bet for benefits. They are not so kind in Italy.
89

Kenny A,

16/03/2008 10:05:53
85
85

Clever comment wonder boy, know how to scare the straight majority.

I just wish people would get a grip. Forget this mans sexual orientation, is he in danger if he is sent back. Did he have a false passport, did he break the laws in Scotland.

I also note there was nowhere near this level of corrospondance about the woman recently sent back to Ghana with terminal kidney failure.

Is that because she was black, a woman or just because some bleeding hearts out there could not give a dam. I signed up to keep her here.

Do not support this petition because I do not have enough information. If its only because he gay and may be killed thats unfair. If he has broken the laws of Scotland, tough. Thats life.

Hope it all works out well though.

90

Keir Hardie,

Inverness 16/03/2008 10:06:10
I totally support this petition. Keir Hardie
91

subrosa,

16/03/2008 10:06:22
I'm not quite comfortable with this.

*This chap broke the law of his own country so he decided to get out because he knew he'd be sent for a stint in the army if found out.

* He's found in UK with a false passport. He's obviously got money to buy the passport. Most illegals don't even bother with one.

* Suddenly he announces he's gay. Funny that. Just the other day another muslim announced he was gay too and he's been allowed to stay.

I know I'm a cynic but you have to be on some occasions. What's wrong with the Syrian army anyway?
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Peter The Imperfect,

Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008 10:09:47
#83
It is not "luck" that Scotland is a liberal democracy-luck has absolutely nothing to do with it.

It is because our forefathers fought for our political rights and our laws, culture and heritage are based on Judeo-Christian values-Syria's culture is different because it is based on Islam.

It is incidently very racist of you to assume that ours is superior!
94

www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

16/03/2008 10:10:12
#89 Hating someone because of their sexuality is as distasteful and unnacceptable as hating someone for their colour.

Your weak attempt to mask hatred as an infringement on free speech is frankly pathetic.

What you want is the right to deny other humans that same rights you enjoy.
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Dr Colin Roth,

Sheffield, UK 16/03/2008 10:11:39
It's sad to see the intensity and prevalence of bigotry that's been flushed out by this story, but it gladdens my heart to see Scotland on Sunday taking a civilised line nowadays, placing the story in a position of such prominence and writing a leader which does just that, LEAD. Please add my name to your petition.
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:11:44
84 www.dundeeforum.co.uk,
Apart from your sodomitical enthusiasm you seem to have some intellectual challenges.
Perhaps you have problems with the language of the Law in Scotland. i quote:-
“a homosexual act” means sodomy or an act of gross indecency or shameless indecency by one male person with another male person.
Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 (c. 39)
97

open,

LJPR@googlegroups.com 16/03/2008 10:11:46
ng time.

When the homosexual agenda and SPECIAL laws undermine the welfare and wellbeing of OUR children BORN of heterosexual relationships are then being STOLEN by social services and given to ANYONE who then goes on to abuse them.That is when there has to be a forceful retraction of those SPECIAL laws.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEMAND A REVERSAL OF THOSE SPECIAL LAWS THAT ARE LEADING TO THE UTTER TYRANNY THE ARTICLE ABOVE FULLY EXPLAINS.

The chants of BIGOT are irrelevant when innocent childrens lives are at stake with the granting of special laws for deviants.

Join the growing resistance movement against corruption and tyranny.

LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS

Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
98

Mike Masterton,

London 16/03/2008 10:11:53
Soon the world, apart from Britain, will be empty, why ? because everyone will be here, and mostly on benefit !
Needless to say, I don't support the petition.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 16/03/2008 10:18:20
To Kenny A - Kenny Gee is an American 'musician' renowned for endless cycles of banal musical composition.... as they call it over here - "elevator music".

But at least I can always get off the lift, just as you can get of your "I really don't get the gay lifestyle' soapbox. No one is asking for your understanding or acceptance. Just don't let your distaste for this fellow get him killed. Your distaste is not that valuable.
101

www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

16/03/2008 10:20:18
#97 - Their is a MINORITY of hateful people who whenever a story about gays is covered - the come to their keyboards frothing at the mouth.

Funny really as nobody in power takes much notice of them. The Scottish Government is committed to equality for all of its citizens.

Good enough for me :-)
102

Max Born,

16/03/2008 10:21:40
From this day forth Dragonhead,Drum Major et all shall be refered as the closeted ones,
I Support this pettion.
103

Stuart Hartill,

Isle of Man 16/03/2008 10:21:50
I strongly support this petition.

Even here, in a third world country which still lacks the adequate anti-discriminatory legislation Scots take for granted, there are some people with the common decency to help a victim of ludicrous prejudice.
104

Peter The Imperfect,

Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008 10:25:49
#96 you are the one using "hate" and making threats to other posters-not I. Playing the victimised card will not work.

In the interests of free speech and democracy we cannot allow the majority to be dictated to by a vociferous and well-organised minority.

Neither of the two asylum seekers should be allowed to come here. If we do-then it opens the doors for every homosexual in the muslim world to follow.
105

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www.r-o-a-r.org,

Pauline - Perth 16/03/2008 10:29:33
#106

Another hating inadequate person who cannot deal with modern society.

Dont make me laugh with your free speech nonsense - I suspect it is you who would gladly line up gays into prison camps if you thought you could get away with it.

Democracy means - equal rights and not what YOU think equal rights should be and who is worthy of them.

You Sir are as homophobic as the day is long!
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:29:36
101 www.dundeeforum.co.uk
I note you now resort to personal insult, since I failed to succumb to your empty threats. Contrary to your claims I am not homophobic and have never expressed anything that could even be interpreted as hateful towards sodomists. As for gay I am considered to be one of the more gay members of my family. For your enlightenment:-
GAY
Adjective

1. Bright and pleasant; promoting a feeling of cheer; "a cheery hello"; "a gay sunny room"; "a sunny smile".

2. Full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh".
108

www.r-o-a-r.org,

16/03/2008 10:30:02
I SUPPORT THE PETITION :-)
109

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 10:30:11
98. Nancy Drew in His Closet

what exactly is an "Act of shameless indecency"? ANd what would make it shameless?
110

Rikki Mckerlich,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 10:33:08
I strongly support this petition.

I dont know why I continue to be shocked by the hatefull bile that appears on these threads - I should expect it by now....I still have hope though....one day. Live and let live people - its actually really easy and it will make you a happier person at the end of the day!
111

Keyboard supporter,

16/03/2008 10:34:05
Not surprised to see this thread degenerate the way it
has - you have the liberal hand wringers who think everyone should be allowed to stay in the country without anythought whatsoever to continuing drain on the public purse. They are ably backed up by PC gay rights brigade who see it as homophobic when in fact its heterophobic. The truth of the matter is that he's a convicted criminal (of which we have more than enough of our own) and hence should be deported when his sentence is finished. Thats not racist and certainly not homophobic as the only reason this story is in the public domain is due to his sexual orientation. If he was staright he'd be halfway across the channel by now and nobody would be getting their pants in a knot - as i say heterophobic
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:39:27
107 www.r-o-a-r.org, Perth
You are right, I am so inadequate that I am unable to see anything that I have written which suggests I am prejudiced in any way against sodomists. Perhaps you could be magnanimous enough to help me by quoting anything I have said which suggests otherwise.
113

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 10:41:14
11. Is it sodomists or sodomites?
114

drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:42:08
111 Ayrshire Scot
"what exactly is an "Act of shameless indecency"? ANd what would make it shameless?"
Best consult your lawyer. They formulate the Law of the Land not me.
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Peter The Imperfect,

Penelopes's Pitstop 16/03/2008 10:43:26
#108

Yet another one demonstrating my point-anyone who does not share your views is to be attacked and vilified. The paucity of your argument means that you cannot win your case by strength of logic or reasoned debate therefore you "go for the man".


Democracy means abiding by the will of the majority not a vociferous and well-organised minority. I have the right to state my opinion which is different to yours and I will not be silenced.


116

drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:45:31
115 Ayrshire Scot™
"Is it sodomists or sodomites?"

Sodomist
Noun

1. Someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copulation with another male).
117

Peter The Imperfect,

Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008 10:47:54
The problem with these Gay Right activists who come on these threads is that they are really fascists who would deny freedom of speech to others unless it suits their own agenda.

118

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 10:48:19
118. Thanks. Clearly an area of some specialist interest and knowledge to you.
119

Peter The Imperfect,

16/03/2008 10:49:23
#118 Game, set and match.


As Clive Dunn used to say in Dad's Army

"They don't like it up em!"
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:51:38
#110 www.r-o-a-r.org,
I note that you do not even have the decency to respond or even apologise for your insulting, wrong and unprovoked attack on my character.
121

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 10:52:58
121. I think they do. That being the a source of Drew's ansgt it seems.
122

drew 33,

16/03/2008 10:53:49
120 Ayrshire Scot™,

118. Thanks. Clearly an area of some specialist interest and knowledge to you.

No despite my many failings and inadequacies I am able to consult a dictionary.
123

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Kenny A,

16/03/2008 10:54:43
102 Stephen, thanks for the info about the KG fellow, found a bit of his music and again not just my style.

Soapbox, never stood one one. Now I would also have thought you would be asking for a bit of acceptence about this fellow.

After following this thread for a good while today, here are my conclusions.

A good few stupid anti gay posts, a few fair minded ones, and a barrow load of rabid anti straight comments all complaining how bigotted etc people who do not share their view are. Bluntly is is sad to see how narrow minded people can be, and I do not reserve that judgement for anyone in particular.

Sadly for you people you are a minority and that is that. The majority do find these practices distastefull for many reasons, can you folks not understand and accept that.

Sorry about that chum. 113 has a couple of good points you should think about. So does 112.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 10:55:40
124. You have consulted the criminal offences act, Scotland, section on homosexual acts, and definitions of sodomy. Clearly this is an area you take a keen interest in. And why not.
126

Stewarty,

16/03/2008 10:57:08
I certainly do not support this Syrian guy. On his own admission he was a troublemaker in his own country and now he is seeking to use Scotland as a base for further dodgy activities.
127

Bruce Coltman,

EDINBURGH 16/03/2008 10:57:44
I fully support the petition.

Bruce Coltman
128

Ross McLaren,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 11:03:48
I support the petition.

Ross McLaren
129

Proud Govanite,

Kilmarnock 16/03/2008 11:04:32
In the name of humanity support this petition!
130

Proud Govanite,

Kilmarnock 16/03/2008 11:06:09
In the name of humanity support this petition!

Dave Meechan
131

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 11:06:28
128. Where did he admit being a trouble-maker in his own country? He had some leaflets for a political party.
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 11:07:35
127 Ayrshire Scot
Just have a re-read through these posts and you will note that while I have not made one insulting comment or observation towards anyone I have been insulted, threatened and tarnished by innuendo.
133

ArchieGemmill,

16/03/2008 11:18:01
Look at the first line of the story: "HIS only crime was to be gay."

But then we are told "he was arrested for distributing anti-government leaflets.". A complete contradiction. The 'story' goes on: "Following his transfer ... prison guards soon discovered that Yakob ... was homosexual." So after he was arrested for a separate crime, the story would have us believe he was arrested for being gay.

SCOTSMAN/SoS, THIS REPORTING IS SO BAD THAT THE HACK IN QUESTION SHOULD BE SACKED.

The story goes on:

"he managed to flee to Lebanon making for London, holed up in a lorry.

He applied for asylum and was granted extended leave by the Home Office, but was then arrested in Aberdeen last April after being found in possession of a fake Belgian passport. He was handed a 12-month sentence and sent to Polmont Young Offenders Unit in Falkirk.

His lawyers say his asylum application was then mistakenly withdrawn and, as a result, he has been served with a deportation order, pending a final hearing this May."

some points:

Under what basis is he applying for asylum? The story does not say. Is it because of his sexual oriantation or his political activities? It does not say - poor journalism.

Why did he have an illegal passport? Again, no answers in the story = poor journalism.

Why was his asylum application mistakenly withdrawn? And by whom? Yet again, no answers in the story = very poor journalism.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 11:18:11
This reminds me of the Devine debate on Friday.At least all the religious bigots aren't posting as well as the homophobes.

He may have committed crimes to get here, but if I was in fear for my life, I would too.

I support the petition.
135

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 11:18:34
134. Well, if you think your chosen use of language is not insulting. Personally I find your obsession with "anal copulation" and use of terms list sodomist rather odd. ALmost as though you were seeking to define people based on some religious definition.

Tell us, do you support this Syrian man's asylum application - while you have been "insulted" (I am sure we are all weeping for you) he was beaten into a coma because he is gay.
136

happyhibbie,

The Inch, Edinburgh 16/03/2008 11:19:32
My son and his wife applied for council housing in Edinburgh five years ago.

A number of the houses they have submitted bids for have been allocated to immigrants who have been in the country for less time than my son and his wife have been on the waiting list.

I wonder if this syrian agitator who has also broken the law in this country, and may or may not be gay, will be allowed to stay and jump the queue as well.

Surely in this case sanity will prevail.

I don't have a great deal of time for the SNP, but I would hate to see them replaced by scum like the BNP.
137

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 11:20:25
135. Archie - are you saying that is was just that he was arrested and tortured for having anti-government leaflets?
138

Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 11:21:47
135
"he was arrested for distributing anti-government leaflets"

Not a crime, cetainly not a capital crime, here...
139

Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 11:22:21
If Britain allows this man to stay, they will be stuck with many more people in similar situations.
It is for these reasons that I believe this man will be sent home.
It will be the old sacrrifice of the few for the greater good of the many approach.
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jezzy,

Fife 16/03/2008 11:23:15
This boy entered the country, seeking asylum, broke the law, was found to have a fake passport yet still he will be allowed to stay. I know of another asylum seeker who entered this country with three..yes three passports..he married a Scottish girl and now regularly visits for holidays the same country he once wished asylum from...pardon my ignorance but I think Social Security Benefits not any freedom of rights makes these asylum seekers travel over many other equally "free" countries to live here.
I am not bigoted,homophobic or anything/one phobic. In the words of our bard 'man to man the world oer should brothers be for a that', but letting asylum seekers take the p....s makes my blood boil.

141

Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 11:23:28
Happyhippie

I am neither a SNP or BNP voter, but what is scum about the BNP?
142

Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 11:25:47
141
I hope you will never find yourself a sacrifice one day Media 1...
143

ArchieGemmill,

16/03/2008 11:26:45
#139

I'm not saying anything so stop asking pejorative questions. Let's get some answers to the ones I've asked first.

I'm pointing out the poor journalism that results in people making up their minds without knowing all the facts.
144

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 11:30:28
134...Its your continued focus on sexual acts mate...speaks volumes....join the wee band of 'merry' men on this forum that feel the need to regale us all with the details of sex....particularly what you perceive to be 'gay' sex....

Why does topics like this always bring them out the woodwork.......
145

Allan(handofgod137),

16/03/2008 11:31:15
Kick him out.
146

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 16/03/2008 11:31:50
Holed up in a lorry headed for London, ends up in Scotland with a fake Belgian passport? So how are we o believe the rest of his story and why should we be mugs enough to believe that he could not have got off the lorry in a country, say, a bit closer to country of origin?

For a country that's broke, taxed to the hilt and going steadily downhill we must be absolutely crazy to accept this out of control immigration situation. Whether being gay is good or not, he has broken the law in his own country, or at least grossly offended sensibilities. Now he seeks to stay here as an illegal immigrant with a forged passport. Nuts. Certainly does not get my vote on a petition.
147

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 11:32:53
143...You need to ask that question?...what you fishing for now Media1...what you got up your sleeve your hoping to whip out so that you can bore us all to suicide with 'infrastructure' sQwUak!
148

Air Sense,

Durban South Africa 16/03/2008 11:33:54
THis undoubtably a very emotive issue wrt the citizens of Scotland and so it should be . After the decommissioning of the Empire and the independence of the colonies the border lines ought to be drawn and policed in blood . I state this in sympathy of Scotland's position . The Iranians and the Syrians MUST attend to their own problems at home , the old way , not run around begging comforts under falsehoods and pretexts of varying hues ! The forensic facts speak for themselves and I agree whole heartedly with Kenny A . BTW Kenny G is a musician who plays the saxaphone - get the CD , you'll enjoy it .

He was fully aware of the dangers that would follow his political activities but he continued and was jailed . In jail he was doing well until he decided to sleep with another man , knowing the harsh penalties such activity would bring upon him . Knowing the religion . the religion and ethics involved in such cases a number of circumstantial issues spring to mind . How was it that he "escaped " so easily ? What and who financed him on his journey into the EU ? IT is very expensive to obtain a fake passport on the black market and the price is USD based , how did he pay for the passport ; cont...
149

Alasdairmorton ,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 11:34:38
I fully support this petition.

Alasdair Morton
150

Kathleen Brown,

Angus 16/03/2008 11:38:12
I totally support this petition.
151

Air Sense,

Durban , SA cont... 16/03/2008 11:38:25
and more worrying , taking into account the rise in drug trafficking and crime in Scotland , why is he demanding to stay and " spend his life in Scotland " ? Why not opt for the safety of any other country that is willing to accept him ? Why is there is there a compulsion to be domiciled in Scotland ? AS already mentioned , the fact that he possessed a fake passport is most unsettling . It proves that he is not beyond taking the risk of committing a crime . What was wring with being honest and admiting to his circumstances ? No ladies and gentlemen , I fear that there is more than meets the eye on this one . I hereby qualify my point :-
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 11:38:34
horrible

I dont need to ask it, I dont see them as scum. I see them as people whose views are different to mine.

Anyway, back to this story!
I hope the lad is allowed to stay there, but if he is. What happens when 300 gay muslim asylum seekers come out and say they also want to stay?
That is the big question, it is not just this lad, it is the potential of many more people in a similar situation wanting the same treatment.
If you are gay and living in syria, all you need to do is make your way to Britain and you're sorted without a valid permit.
153

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 11:39:46
Life is too short,

I Totally support this petition.
154

Alec Deary,

Kirkcaldy 16/03/2008 11:40:32
While fully understanding and supporting the petition I am amazed at the lack of similar feeling expressed in these comments.
I still hope we have a country that is diverse, welcome those oppressed and has equality of opportunity at it's core.
155

Frances Macfarlane,

Bristol 16/03/2008 11:42:39
I completely support this petition asking for Jojo Jako Yakob to be granted asylum in the UK.
156

Air Sense,

Durban SA , stilling going ... 16/03/2008 11:44:23
I have had the benefit of associating with and knowing a lot of homosexuals , mostly men and I have to admit that apart from their sexual preferences which I am opposed to , they have always remained honest in their dealings and are decent law abiding citizens who are a credit to their communities and our society . In fact I venture to say I found in them far more virtue and integrity , humility and compassion than I did in a lot of straight people but it does not detract from the matter in hand , this Syrian headed for Scotland's shores with malicious intent ( and we are not mind readers - hence the challenge ) but his modus operandi proves it and he must be sent back to send a message and set an example to others who might think that they can fool their way into the EU and comfortable benefits system by claiming to be homosexual . He is doing homosexuals no favours and for this alone he ought to be taught a lesson in telling the truth . Ok , now i'm done .
157

Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 11:46:24
alec

Would you support the petition if there was 300 people invlved?
158

Dragonlord,

16/03/2008 11:46:59
How many " liberal" countries did he pass through to get here? Why did he not stay in,For example, France,Belgium,Spain,Portugal or many others
159

Air Sense,

Durban SA 16/03/2008 11:49:21
Oh , I forgot to state , as a remedy to the problem , send him to the nearest EU coutry of safety to Syria without a welfare system so that he may work and pay his way with the added benefit of writing to his loved ones whom he has forgotten to mention he must be missing very much , especially his dear mama !
160

scotia,

Caribbean 16/03/2008 11:49:41
He has broken the law by being in Scotland illegally and having a fake passport, kick him out. ad as for the PC clowns if you believe that Scotland should take more illegal asylum seekers then why don't you prove it by putting your hand in your pocket and giving more to the government to help out or are you just full of hot air?
161

John Riussell,

Barrhead, Glasgow 16/03/2008 11:52:13
I completely support this petition asking for Jojo Jako Yakob to be granted asylum in the UK.
162

IainA,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 11:53:04
There really are times when some of the posters on this forum make me want to bring up my breakfast.

"send all our horses hoofs to Syria"
"He broke the law, send him back"
"All these immigrants coming here and jumping the queue for houses"

This is Scotland, not some suburb of middle England where "We don't really care for his sort round here"

Everyone's carefully avoiding using words like w*g and p**f (asterisked out so the post doesn't get deleted) but my god they don't have to, their posts reek of racism, homophobia and dislike of Johnny foreigner.

When that doesn't get anywhere, the fact that he had a fake passport gets brought up.

"he's a criminal, deport him"

He's a nineteen year old laddie, not some criminal mastermind hell bent on stealing your granny's silver. So he got a fake passport - if you thought you were going to be sent off to certain death, what would you do?

And also, he is only nineteen - anyone on these forums remember being nineteen? All nineteen year olds are notorious for their forethought and common sense aren't they?


163

Boab,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 11:56:39
I support this petition - Robert Todd, Glasgow.
164

IainA,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 11:59:16
I support this petition, Iain Alexander, Edinburgh
165

Jambo Number 1,

16/03/2008 11:59:37
I support this petition 100%

It also makes me ashamed to see the number of Right Wing Bigots who crawl out of the woodwork to broadcast their intollerance, fear and hatred.

166

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 12:03:10
I support the petition

The few rabid homophobes: Drew/Peter etc are truly pathetic.

Those who would have him killed because of his sexuality should seriously consider how they would feel if they were going to be deported to Scotland and killed for being straight.

THINK ON THAT FOR A FEW MINS - if your braincells can cope!!!
167

open,

west coast 16/03/2008 12:05:50
119 Peter The Imperfect,
Penelope's Pitstop 16/03/2008
The problem with these Gay Right activists who come on these threads is that they are really fascists who would deny freedom of speech to others unless it suits their own agenda.

VERY VERY TRUE PETER !!!!!!!!!!!
Also the political and legal windbags who bend to their demands.
The European court of human rights fails us all and was set up primarily for that purpose to forward the NWO agenda and force those despicable rights onto a heterosexual population.

Why dont they have JURIES at ECHR level?Why do they in fact do the exact opposite of what they were set up to do in the first place provide JURIES as an impartial tribunal not the state funded lackeys who masquerade as some sort of impartial tribunal.
That they will never be.

The homosexual lobby within the judiciary is in direct contradiction of the majority of heterosexuals who would act as a buffer for what REAL human rights are supposed to be.First and foremost the protection of our children which is failing in British secretive family courts and also at ECHR level when JUDGES not JURIES are making these very important decisions.

We have already challenged ECHR on this very matter.


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168

Phil1,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 12:07:49
Jambo Number 1,16/03/2008 11:59:37
I support this petition 100%

It also makes me ashamed to see the number of Right Wing Bigots who crawl out of the woodwork to broadcast their intollerance, fear and hatred.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a bigot 'hello pot'.
Asylum rules need to be followed - why should Scotland have to take and pay for him for the next 50 years?

He lies and cheats to get a false passport and doesn't claim aslyum in the first country he arrives at just the first 'soft touch' one.
169

Jambo Number 1,

16/03/2008 12:09:31
"The homosexual lobby within the judiciary is in direct contradiction of the majority of heterosexuals who would act as a buffer for what REAL human rights are supposed to be."

Perhaps you could explain this for those of us who are not rabid right wing bigots?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 12:12:31
154...I am glad you cleared that up Media1...now....

Should you find that once you marry your 'beautiful, black and Belgian fiancee' ('inside and out') and you have produce children.. please be aware that you would be welcome at any BNP meeting, but not your wife....and certainly not your offspring...information I found on an official BNP website... regardless of your children being British...

Glad you felt that you had to point out she was 'Belgian' and not 'African'.....wouldnt want to make that mistake now would we?

Bit of a 'Belgian Waffle' you flung us there old chum eh?
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Jambo Number 1,

16/03/2008 12:13:15
#170

Perhaps your intollerance blinds you.

The people who I am calling bigots are the very ones who have left post after post of homophobia above, they are very easy to spot.

Disagreeing with me, I have no problem with.
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 12:14:58
170 Phil1

So are you prepared to see him sent back and killed?
What would you do in his shoes?
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 12:22:10
169# Open

If you were told that being straight some how made you a 2nd class citizen and were attacked for who you were I suspect you would campaign for change.

The 'homosexual lobby' as you call it - is standing up against people LIKE YOU - because you are FULL OF HATE.

Furthermore you somehow think you have a right to pass judgement on a fellow human being. Deluded and arrogant does not even come close to your condition.

Why dont you crawl back into the gutter where you below and get back to The Daily Mail or The Sun.
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Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 16/03/2008 12:22:28
There are a number of issues here:

I suggest that the first is that no one likes bigotry; in any form.

I support this petition, albeit a touch unwillingly; I think we'd all be unhappy to send anyone to another country to either a 'certain death' , or even an uncertain one.

That said, other nations insist that any immigrant brings a needed skill with them. Political activity or homosexuality is hardly such a skill

Having mentioned bigotry, I must take # 13 WeeBerty and # 169 Open to issue for their unnecessary sideswipe at Freemasonry. I glanced again at the original article and saw no mention of it.

Before you criticise Freemasonry, you should know something about it. Freemasons HQ in Edinburgh is open to honest enquiries.

WeeBerty and Open's comments are ignorant and unhelpful.




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www.r-o-a-r.org,

16/03/2008 12:29:43
#177 - Freemasons

Dont make me laugh - the worst 'club' of all that denies jobs to non Masons and 'rewards' silly handshakes and headgear with jobs for the boys.
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Adam Knowles,

London 16/03/2008 12:34:14
Signing the petition in full support.
178

Griffe,

16/03/2008 12:35:09
Deport him.
179

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beckypumps1,

Fife 16/03/2008 12:39:38
I do not support this petition.
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ricstick2000,

florida usa 16/03/2008 12:41:18
He Should be allowed to stay,i left scotland at age 16 because i was gay and always getting beaten up etc that was more than 35 years ago things are different now or should be in this day and age,but judging by some of the comments here some people in scotland have not changed and are still homophobic,i support this pettition 100 percent.At least give him a chance of a decent life if not in scotland somewhere else that will give him assylum.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 12:44:28
Horrible

But that would be alright with me, and with her!
Rules are rules, respect them and all is cool.
Two weeks ago there was a Black Journalists Forum in Johannesburg and the new ANC president attended it. White journalists were excluded and it caused a furore! Had the white journalists just taken a step back and respected that it was a black journalists forum there would have been no problem..
I would also not expect any young girl being allowed into an all boys school. Rules are rules!!

I see you avoided my question about the lad in question. Pity that
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Numberonecynic,

16/03/2008 12:44:55
He entered this country illegally, whilst in this country he committed crime.

Send him back.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 12:48:21
PEOPLE!

This is has nothing to do with his sexuality! HE BROKE THE LAW and that is what this is about!!
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

16/03/2008 12:49:45
#181

YOU FOOL - it is FACT that countless study after countless study has shown that STRAIGHT HETEROSEXUAL MALES are by far the biggest child abusers.

Get your facts straight before you come online peddling your misninformation.

It is you who clearly misses the point and distrorts facts!!
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

From the American Civil Liberty Union 16/03/2008 12:52:07
http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/parenting/11859res19980430.html

There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. All of the available scientific evidence shows that. Sexual orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, is an adult sexual attraction to others. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is an adult sexual attraction to children.

Ninety percent of child abuse is committed by heterosexual men.

In one study of 269 cases of child sexual abuse, only two offenders were gay or lesbian. Of the cases studied involving molestation of a boy by a man, 74% of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boy's mother or another female relative. The study concluded that "a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."
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Janis *,

london suburb 16/03/2008 12:55:07

IainA @ 164 Why the unnecessary remark about suburban London homophobics, you have proof for that ridiculous generalisation?

I support the petition.

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Jambo Number 1,

16/03/2008 12:55:45
#186

You are one of the worst right wing idiots on here.

It has EVERYTHING to do with his sexuality. He is claiming REFUGE in Scotland because he faces possible death and certain violence in Sudan BECAUSE he is gay.

He is claiming Asylum you idiot.
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open,

west coast 16/03/2008 12:57:00
#www.r-o-a-r.org
For fear of repeating ourselves.
You clearly haven't read our earlier posts 94 & 99 with clear proof of abuse of our children due
to the homosexual agenda.That is NOT hate that is FACT.
Do you think homosexuals are a higher priority than our children?

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190

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 12:59:34
191#

WHY DO YOU IGNORE THE FACTS THAT YOU (Heterosexual Males)
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NINETY PERCENT OF CHILD ABUSE?

Go on - lets see you IGNORE THAT FACT!!!

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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 12:59:39
184...Sad, that you would find it acceptable that a black wife and children would be seen as second class citizens....sad that as a father, you would prefer to allow people to go on thinking your children are inferior to white children....

That is why the BNP are scum...

And you...Media1.....why does your attitude not surprise me one jot?

And please do not speak for an imaginary fiancee...let her speak for herself....as if any woman would find it acceptable that her kids are deemed inferior because of their mixed race......
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iuris dea ,

16/03/2008 13:00:25
Why didn't Alex Salmond with all 'their similar views or Iran and anti-war stance' adjudicate this situation at that time when the Iranian ambassador Movahedian was flitting around Parliament?

His sucking-up trip to Scotland, to Parliament, (and the Scotsman article: Iran to Holyrood, We love your anti-war stance,) was an Iranian brainwashing that Scotland should turn an eye to human rights violations in Iran but continue its stance on non-nuclear proliferation.
If the brainwashing is to be successful, these two articles/news events needed more time lapse between events. We're not this dumb
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Clive Hamblin,

Sussex. 16/03/2008 13:01:30
# 178

Do you have actual PROOF of what you say?

You are guilty of the ignorance and bigotry that others on these boards condemn.

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Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:02:48
The vitriolic on both side has proved nothing 'cept the prevalence of closed minds.

This petition is a waste of time, since it is improperly established. A petition requires verifiable identities in order that duplicate (and there are plently of those) signatories be excluded. Since most folk here post under pseudonyms, their support is merely a token and cannot be taken as a signed entry on a petition.

If you want to do it correctly there are innumerable vehicles in the web.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:04:16
Jambo

He WAS NOT arrested for being gay, he was arrested for for carrying false documents. A serious offence, and one that you or I would pay the consequence for.

What I am trying to say, is that the people on here who do not support the petition, should be branded homophobic by you or anyone else. He is not being deported because he is gay, he is possibly being deported because he is not legal. End of story!

Now tell me this! What if tomorrow, 600 muslim asylum seekers come forward and say they also want the same treatment as this lad? Where do you draw the line?

Personally I am between a rock and hard place on this one. There is no way I want him sent home, but what will the consequences of allowing him to stay be in the long run?
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

16/03/2008 13:04:20
Lets face it . . . . this forum is harbouring a few really nasty and hateful individuals - who would be saying the same about blacks and asians (if they thought they could get away with it).

Their last vestige of hate are GAYS - they feel so superiour and righteous in their preceived superiority.

If only they had the GUTS to admit what they are!!!

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"Scotty",

16/03/2008 13:05:39
Hear, Hear numbers 56 & 59. But didn't you know bigots ARE perfect and "humane" in their thinking?
.
I totally support this young man;
.
Scots should be complimented he chose Scotland to live in other than any of the continental countries.
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Calum Crubag,

16/03/2008 13:07:38
Media 1 - why should a white settler gold hunter be allowed to stay in Africa? So what if 1000 gay Iranians want to come here. Will they do to Scotland what whites have done to Africa?

Ultimately, will it make our lives here better if they are sent home to execution?

As homophobia has it's roots in the Bible, why not adopt the same attitude to a litany of other 'sins' that are punishable by death in the 'good' book. Like socialising with women "during their period of monthly uncleaniness", adultery, sex before marriage, working on the Sabbath, not circumcising your children, the wearing of two threads in one garment...

If those homophobes here can prove that they are circumcised, avoid women who have their period and are actually absent today due to religious observance then you're free to live your sad lives. If not, live and let live.
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Jambo Number 1,

16/03/2008 13:07:41
#197

I really dispair with you.

The ISSUE here is not why he was arrested in the UK.

The ISSUE is do we or do we not send him back to Sudan where he faces the prospect of Death due to his sexuality.

The fact he has broken the law in the UK in an attempt to remain here is incidental.
201

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 13:08:27
http://www.globalgayz.com/syria-news.html#article6
202

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 13:09:30
192#

WHY DO YOU IGNORE THE FACTS THAT YOU (Heterosexual Males)
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NINETY PERCENT OF CHILD ABUSE?

Go on - lets see you IGNORE THAT FACT!!!
203

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 13:10:01
Alas, there will never be true equality and acceptance for homosexuals even in Britain, let alone Syria.

There's just too much hate.
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Veritas,

GLASGOW. 16/03/2008 13:11:19
I am totally against torture, persecution and most of all capital punishment. Irrespective of his sexual orientation, to deport him to his native country would be tantamount to Britain approving whatever severe action would be meted out to him.

Irrespective of my own feelings about his homosuxuality, I cannot condone the deportation order to send him back to Syria. If this country prides itself on human rights, then the proposed action is without doubt wrong!

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Hugh Jess,

Scotland 16/03/2008 13:11:33
Beats me how these folks, when fleeing oppression etc etc, always manage to cross twenty or thirty borders until they reach a country which will dole out cash to them, rather than stopping in the first safe civilised country they reach !
206

Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:12:54
"Yakob is terrified of being returned to Syria, where homosexuality is illegal, and believes that if he returns, he faces certain death".

The key phrase here is that he believes. Hardly an objective criterion from the applicant themselves. Is there a capital sentence on him "in absentia"?

Likewise the bit about "it was discovered [in jail] that he was gay". I'm not asking for specific details but how does this get determined? Perhaps by virtue of being a victim of the guards.

You will note that he was in jail, not for the illegal practise of homosexuality, but for distributing political leaflets.

The whole claim for persecution on sexual orientation grounds looks very flimsy indeed. I suspect a collaberation here with a friendly journalist.

Anyhows, you are all to go and read "Darkness at Noon" before engaging in further comment.
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John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 16/03/2008 13:13:16
Bigotry has to do with race, not your sexual preference. I for one am sick to death of the posturing of the last quarter century, bent on forcing the rest of the world into acceptance of the deviant, thats right, deviant behaviour of the so-called gay community. If you want to be an abomination, do so in the confines of your lurid existence away from the public eye. It is your choice, not genetics, not the bleeding heart "oh it was the environment I grew up in" codswallop, it is simply your choice to be gay. So be gay, but stop trying to turn your deviant choice into a political party, a minority, or any other kind of special status. If you being gay gives you the "right" to have such special status, I want to be counted in an officially recognised minority group as well, for men who love women with red or auburn hair. I know I will be shouted down, I am COUNTING on it, but nevertheless, I say the two global social ills of this day and age are the so-called gay community, and terrorism. An unhealthy mix to live in...
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:15:18
Horrible

You need to get out more san!

Read what I said...Two weeks ago, BLACK PEOPLE denied white people access to a journalists forum and I accepted their right to do so. What is wrong with that? Should I have caused a furore and demanded that white people be permitted to join?
Should I demand that all boys schools be closed down for sexism? Should I demand that the black music awards be scrapped? Should I demand that the catholic church begin appointing popes of both sexes?
You need to grow up Horrible, you really do.

Your lack of respect and total disregard for other people and their traditions is a dangerous blend. Show some respect for other people with different values to your own. Black people should be permitted to hold forums of their own without having to invite whites, I am sorry you feel different, but you're entitled to your opinions.
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 13:15:41
What I found truly amazing is the folk on here that think they have a right to pass judgement on Gays - who gave you the right to say it is wrong?

Also, how does it harm you? If two people of the same sex are in love and want to be together - what is wrong with that? They pay taxes, take less out of the system - i.e. no kids eating up allowances and schooling fees, medical etc. A great many gays have high disposable incomes etc and pay more taxes. Ill bet a fair few whiners on here are happy for those taxes to fund your own tax breaks and benefits!!

Get over yourselves and start living your own lives and stop worrying what two men or two women do - it is their business - not yours.
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Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:17:04
[202] Jambo: "The ISSUE is do we or do we not send him back to Sudan where he faces the prospect of Death due to his sexuality"

No that's not the issue. All it proves is that you can't read. Sudan was not mentioned in the article. OK, it's intial letter is S, which is all it has in common with the actual country Syria. Are you sure it wasn't Sweden, Swahililand, Sicily or perhaps St. Vincent?
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 13:18:16
#209, > I say the two global social ills of this day and age are the so-called gay community, and terrorism. <

As I say, so much hate. There will never be an equal society.
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Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:18:42
[105] Stuart Hill.

I've long suspected that the Isle of Man was third world. Thanks for confirming it.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:19:34
Spook

You are wrong!

He was arrested in Aberdeen last April after being found in possession of a fake Belgian passport. He was handed a 12-month sentence and sent to Polmont Young Offenders Unit in Falkirk.

HE WAS NOT arrested in Aberdeen for being gay!

What do we do when 1000 gay Syrians flee to Scotland seeking refuge?

You need to answer that question, you cannot dodge it!

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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 13:20:29
#211

With your last post you have really exposed yourself as the most disgusting and vile homophobe.

Thankfully what you say is rubbish and ignored by civilised governments.

You lie and misinform and hoope that if you repeat those lies often enough some of it will be believed.

As I said before - gays want the SAME protection and rights as everyone else, much in the same way blacks did in the fifties. You want gays to be criminalised!

And why - because you are so hate filled and hung up on something that is frankly none of your business.

You are I suspect a coward who hides behind forums and would never dream of facing someone with your bile.

217

baldwonder,

16/03/2008 13:21:07
in fact to be perfectly honest I think it is a cop out on his part.

Homosexuality was illegal here until the gays fought and won the right to "practice" it. Syria, Iran and any other country that makes it illegal will never change unless the local gays stand up and fight for their rights in the same way the UK gays did, all he is doing is leaving his other gay friends to die at the hands of the oppressors. Why don't the prolific UK campaigners conduct a campaign in Iran or Syria and fight for the rights of everyone over there? they could all move across and join forces?
218

global citizen,

16/03/2008 13:23:59
I am in total support of this petition.
Signed: Lesley Kiernan EH7
219

global citizen,

16/03/2008 13:25:22
I am in total support of this petition
Signed: David Kiernan EH7

I am in total support of this petition
Signed: Margaret Kiernan EH7
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Glesga Jan,

Pollock 16/03/2008 13:27:59
I also TOTALLY support this petition.

Perhaps we could send the homophobic 'Open' West Coast to Syria in exchange.

Seems to stand to reason as Syria is a homophobic, fanatical regime and Open would slot in so well!!
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The Ninja,

Bonnie Scotland 16/03/2008 13:28:14
#136 - Homophobes ? because we don't want ILLEGAL immigrants, hmm, okay then.

#164 - He's a 19 year old laddie who shouldn't be here & has broken the law ! (on a number of occasions !)

I have no problem with his sexuality, I have a problem with this country going down the crapper.
100 million spent on translation services last year ! 150 million on benefits for immigrants last year ! (& as these are Govt. figures they are probably about double that.)
Do you not think this money would be better spent on Police/Doctors/Nurses/Hospitals/Teachers/Schools.
This 'poorly treated young man' has broken the law to get to our country ! He, and all others like him, should not be here !
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:30:21
Baldwonder is correct by suggesting that the only way to beat an oppressor is to stand up and fight!
Gay people in the west had to fight long and hard to avoid persecution, and even to this day they must endure childish insults from blinkered fools.

In America 2008 there is a christian world of millions who would round up all the homosexuals and be done with them. There is pastors who preach that homosexuality is wrong, and given the power they would treat homosexual people with more contempt than the Syrian government does.

Syria has problems with homosexuality and one hopes that in time they will move on to the point where they will see the narrow mindedness in such thinking, but unless the Syrians in Syria fight the persecution, it will always remain! Western homosexual people stood up and joined forces, and in doing so they forced changed, and thank goodness they did so....



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open,

west coast 16/03/2008 13:33:42
Why have the majority of the heterosexual population in Scotland NEVER had a referendum on giving homosexuals special rights?

Why have we NEVER had a referendum on homosexual adoption?

What we are seeing is what was previously considered a criminal offence now to be accepted by the majority of the heterosexual population as the NORM .It beggars belief what the motives of the legal and political parasites have ,when deciding these major political changes ,also while completely disregarding all religious leaders who have spoken out against the rise of homosexual dominance within important areas of law that affects the heterosexual population and their families to an enormous degree.

Ask what percentage of legal positions in Scotland are homosexuals,also in social work ,the main area of POWER over heterosexual families?
We can guarantee these are the very occupations that see a far higher than average homosexual input.

The very people who's sexual preferences do not create children having enormous influence over the lives of heterosexual parents who can reproduce children by God's given natural means.THAT IS OF SERIOUS CONCERN.

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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:34:26
Spook

One week ago, asking what we would do with a gay Syrian seeking refuge was also a hypothetical question.

So what happens when people in Syria begin making their way to Scotland seeking refuge? And what do we do with some of the Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers profess to be gay only to avoid being sent home?

Hypothetical yes, but far fetched no! It could happen, and if it does, what do we do? Thinking ahead is important and this is an important question.
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 13:40:35
137 Ayrshire Scot™,

"134. Well, if you think your chosen use of language is not insulting. Personally I find your obsession with "anal copulation" and use of terms list sodomist rather odd. ALmost as though you were seeking to define people based on some religious definition."
Interesting that you have a problem with the term sodomist.First it is suggested that I might be breaking the law by using it. Being a Law abiding citizen I referred to the Law and am then accused of having some sort of prurient interest in sodomy. As for "anal copulation" these were not my words but part of the legal definition of sodomy. If you are so upset by sodomy as being insulting language how else is sodomy defined. Personally I find the alternatives either inaccurate or slightly more distasteful.
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 13:42:07
#227

What are these s0-caleld "SPECIAL RIGHTS" you keep banging on about?
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Alexander,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 13:44:01
Send the convicted subversive crook home. We have enough home grown crooks without importing illegal immigrant law breakers.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:48:34
Spook

Think you might want to read through the posts again!
I DO NOT want him to be sent back, but I am concerned at what that might mean, and I wonder if the consequences of allowing him to stay may come back to haunt Scotland.
Had I asked you last week! "Spook, what would you do if a young Syrian homosexual seeked refuge in Scotland because sending him home could be detrimental to his life"? Would you have told me not to ask hypothetical questions?
You are supporting this guy without thinking ahead! How many other view points of yours are made on the spur of the moment?
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11+failed,

the pans 16/03/2008 13:51:20
Send him home.
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open,

west coast 16/03/2008 13:56:47
#Ex-Pat Dundonian

Civil partnerships leading now to homosexual adoption that is SPECIAL laws that have been created that previously were NOT there before.These have been SPECIAL rights given without the consent of the electorate.

These are so serious and important issues that our political and legal goons have failed to ensure the population as a whole are happy for those changes to take place.

As court watchers with more experience than most we see the enormous harm being done to heterosexual families because of the undue influence exerted by individuals within our political and legal positions of power who have gone out of their way to force these changes onto Scotlands people.

Scotland can show tolerance to all people but when agenda's are being forwarded that gain access to our children and seriously undermine our children for ulterior motives of the homosexual lobby that is when that tolerance has to END.

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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 13:56:59
I think this kid should be deported to France - that was his last port of call before entering the UK. Let them deal with it. However, he's got Mungo on his case - so he'll stay.

Reading the posts here I am amazed at how many gullible eejits we have in this country.
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Tom01,

Redhill 16/03/2008 13:57:47
We have enough criminals of our own. He must have passed through other countries to come here so send him back. Why do the so-called minority keep insisting on special rights.
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CowtownSweetheart,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 13:58:07
condemn him to death because you are afraid of his lifestyle/political beliefs, and/or there will be "just be more like him"??? Some of the commenters here should be ashamed and embarassed. Isn't that how Hitler got started?
Let this young man stay. And live.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 13:58:36
231 Drew

I don't have a problem with word sodomy, other than its quaint old testament connatations. I just find it interesting that you choose to introduce sodomy, and gross indecency laws, into a discussion on asylum, almost as if you think the acts so awful that it should in some way influence what appears to be a life or death decision for this young man.

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Musselman,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 13:58:47
I am ashamed of some of my countrymen. Digusting vitriole!

In the name of humanity I support this petition - to send someone to their certain death for something that is NOT illegal in our country is an outrage.

Keith, EH3

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Kenny_T,

Lindenhurst, NY 16/03/2008 13:58:48
The real problem I have with the whole petition is we are being asked to support a cause after only hearing one side of the argument, the kids side. I know Syria will never tell the truth if there is wrong doing on their behalf.

We have to beleive that this kid knew what he was doing was against the law in his country and knew what the punishment was(his father did spend 13years in jail for the same beliefs yet he continued to do it obvioulsy in the open.

He is in a safe country yet feels the need to have a fake passport for another country....why?

Should blindly beleive what this kid tell us, should the gays amongst support his cause merely because he is gay.....I for one would need more information before jumping on in support of this cause

Cheers
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 14:01:32
236. These are not SPECIAL rights, they are basic human rights which have been extended to gay people to partially redress the fact that human rights for gay people were not equal to the rights of others.

As for your ludicrous point about consent of the people - these acts were passed by parliaments accountable to the people. If you don't like how your MP or MSP votes, vote them out.
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11+failed,

16/03/2008 14:03:36
174Ex-Pat Dundonian,
"What would you do in his shoes?"
Stay out of prison by not subverting the government of my country!
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks California 16/03/2008 14:06:37
This is ridiculous, doesn't Scotland have enough sexual misfits? Why on Earth would you even consider it. It is time for a Moral Voice to stand up against this corruption of decent values. If he has legitimate political concerns he should go back and stand behind his convictions!
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Tomweir,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 14:09:36
I am all for gay rights and believe we should welcome asylum seekers who are genuinely in need of asylum but this just seems like lazy journalism. A front page story all based on the word of one guy who has (understandbly) reasons to embellish his story to stay in the country and where did the photo come from, a stock image of Syrian's looking kinda angry that obviously has nothing to do with this story.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 14:10:59
246. What "corruption of decent values" do you refer to? Interesting you and others condemn this young man and his "corrupt values" but do not comment on the "values" that led to him being beaten into a coma. The people who beat him into a coma probably agreed with you about the corrutptiuon of decent values....
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

16/03/2008 14:11:16
#236

So gay men and women having the SAME rights to adopt as YOU (presume you are not gay) is SPECIAL?

What is special about having equal rights?!!!!

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open,

west coast 16/03/2008 14:13:58
BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!

There is a hard core group within the homosexual lobbyists who have given up trying to reduce the age of consent for consensual sex .

They have found an alternative ,that by having a civil partnership they will then be open to adopt children.

It does not need a rocket scientist to work out that
this is a GREAT alternative to overcome the failure to reduce the age of consent and as we previously proved the FIRST homosexual couple to adopt in fact massively abused that position of trust.

The link for anyone still not convinced is at

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480151&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Gay couple left free to abuse boys - because social workers feared being branded homophobic

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 14:15:19
251. Are you saying that gay people enetering into civil partnerships are doing so because they are in fact paedophiles?

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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 14:16:16
Media1...not so clever attempt at manipulating the tone of your post...I have no respect for racists, nor the BNP....NOR will I ever show either any respect.....Your total lack of supportive comments towards a 'black fiancee' and any theoretical children is somehow, not a surprise and again, speaks volumes..

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?articleid=3293693

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fritigern,

Inverness 16/03/2008 14:21:59
Moslems kill Gays. This country protects gays. So why do we allow Moslems into the country?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 14:26:53
That link does not appear to be working, so I will copy the text for you.. taken from The Scotsman 10/6/07

"Round up the monkey chant crowd and name and shame them. Racism or cultural intolerance is a terrible thing. Take a white boy, let him walk the streets of Harlem and it wont be monkey chants. It will be a white boy beating, probably murder. Try put a white boy up for nomination at the black music awards, and there will be outrage, riots and violence. Try host a white music awards that excludes blacks and the same thing will happen. Vote for a black man over a white man in a predominently black society and its considered democracy.

Racism comes in many guises all of them just as bad as the other. How do we stop in a world of multi cultural indifference"
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drew 33,

16/03/2008 14:27:34
Ayrshire Scot™,

231 Drew
"almost as if you think the acts so awful that it should in some way influence what appears to be a life or death decision for this young man."
So now you know how I think, has your arrogance no bounds?
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Barry Docherty,

New York 16/03/2008 14:31:31
I do not even have to read the story before commenting. Live and let live. If this young man is deported then the Scottish government will become party to the capital punishment he faces. Not only that, it will mean that Scotland will simply wash there hands as if to say "Not my problem" Where is the hospitality and compassion that we are so well known for?
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Graham Barnes,

Gravesend, Kent 16/03/2008 14:31:43
Like so many others here, I cannot understand homosexuality. I have nothing against gays, if they keep themselves to themselves. I do think it's wrong though that we have it thrust down our throats. Speak your mind, if you disagree with it, and you could be imprisoned. I also disagree with schoolchildren being taught that it is normal. Go back a few years and it was illegal in this country. That aside, I can see both sides of this argument. This lad broke the law here, forget what happened in Syria. That is why he is being deported. Any immigrant breaking the laws of this country should be dealt with the same way. It doesns't matter if they are gay or not, that did not come into the equation until he expressed his desire to stay in Scotland. As for all the PC brigade insulting those that oppose this deportation, do they think that anyone not agreeing with them should be devoid of opinion? Free speech in this country is already being eroded, and these people think they should be allowed so speak their minds and no-one else. I don't insult anyone that disagrees with me, but I'll air my views. This is what we've all done here, it's our right. That this lad is gay isn't relevant, he broke the law here and should face the penalty. Because of this, I won't support the petition, but that doesn't make me a bigot.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 14:53:49
Horrible

If I want to date black women that is my right! In my eyes, a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman regardless of the colour of her skin. I am sorry you have issues with that!
Brussels is where I met the woman you are attempting to disrespect, but I am not rising to the bait. Jy IS, as hulle se, A DOES!
Now moving along.

I have already stated that I do not want this man to be returned to Syria if it means that he will be persecuted for being gay. At the same time, I am eager to avoid the possibility of opening up a can of worms that sees Scotland as the international nation of refuge for all the people around the world who are keen on escaping the persecution they suffer at home.
It's a tricky situation because your heart tells you he must be permitted to remain in Scotland, but your head tells you that we are opening a door that could be difficult to close once it is opened.
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Alexander,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 15:00:07
244 Ayrshire Scot™,
"236. These are not SPECIAL rights, they are basic human rights which have been extended to gay people to partially redress the fact that human rights for gay people were not equal to the rights of others."

Where did you dream up that rubbish the name "gay" doesn't appear in the Regulations.
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Barry Docherty,

New York formally Troon, Ayrshire 16/03/2008 15:01:30
Spook:

Yes of course, you are right, this is a UK issue. Well do we trust the English to do the right thing. Somehow I do not believe so. When have they ever done the right thing for our wee nation?
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 15:03:06
Graham

You are of course spot on. The lad broke the law and because of that, he now faces the prospect of being sent back to Syria. And by supporting the right to send him home, you are in no way a bigot. I respect your views!

I feel differently about homosexuality though!
To me, homosexual people are no different to you or I in that they are merely following their hearts and their natural emotions and attractions. A homosexual male does not feel an attraction for women because the sexual enzymes within his body are programmed to see men as the sexually pleasing species. I have many gay friends and all of them have faced a terrible time in their life in terms of acceptance. I dont mean acceptance by everyone else, but acceptance from within themselves. A good friend of mine realised at age 14 he didnt like girls, but he wasnt sure he wanted to be with a boy either. Then as he aged he found a young lad he knew attractive and he wanted to kill himself, he felt terrible. Can you imagine that? Then once you accept it, you need to tell everyone close to you. It is unbelievable that homosexual people must still suffer such pain, but that is the way it is and eventually they allow themselves to be themselves.
This young man is gay, but as you say, that is not the reason he is being sent back to Syria. And that is an important point.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 15:03:29
The man broke the law in his own country.
He came to Scotland and broke the law.
Why should he be exempt when the rest of us have to obey laws of the land.

Whether you agree with the all-consuming rights of homosexuals or not, the man is a criminal and he should be sent home - immediately.
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jdships,

16/03/2008 15:09:43
242 Musselman,

Put aside wether he is a gay muslim o, a gay christian or a gay whatever his sexuality and religon has nothing to do with this case .
He entered this country on a forged Belgian passport and is therefore an illegal immigrant and as such should be deported .
Where do you propose to draw the line on " deserving cases" ?
Or is it to be come on in guy's ?
Sorry but that situation cannot be supported !!
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 15:10:03
Furchrissake

I agree with you! I just have a problem with the knowledge of what might happen to him when he gets there! I am more inclined to try and save his life regardless that he broke the law, and I accept that such views are naive. But I cant help it, I feel for the guy!
On the otherhand, I am aware that allowing him to stay will open a door we may never be able to close! Before you know it, Scotland will be home 1000 gay muslim asylum seekers and where will that leave us?
Its a tough one!
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11+failed,

16/03/2008 15:27:20
267
"I just have a problem with the knowledge of what might happen to him when he gets there! I am more inclined to try and save his life regardless that he broke the law"
By that logic he should be imprisoned here! Or do you suggest we let him carry with impunity to break the law here.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 15:34:50
#268 failed

I am not saying I support the petition to keep him here, I am trying to source the best possible answer to this problem I am faced with. I understand he is a criminal, therefore, he must be treated as such.
He must be locked up, but when that sentence is served we need to decide if he gets sent home.
If we allow him to stay we will have thousands of gay muslims seeking refuge over there. If we send him home and he is killed, Scotland will be the country who sent a gay man home to die!
It is a tricky situation
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 15:35:48
Yakob fled his homeland two years ago...when he was arrested for distributing anti-government leaflets.

He is using the 'gay' argument to avoid going home where. he said, he would either be returned to jail for my political activities...or be put into the army for the three-year period.

Get this creature out of Scotland. He is obviously having too much fun with his gay friends.

He is at it.
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Abesaidwhat,

Minnesota 16/03/2008 15:38:01
I believe he should be allowed to stay. Let's not be the best small minded country in the world.

By the way I think being gay (apart from the sexual aspects - which I have no problem with) also means you love a person of the same sex. Something we should all consider, to some extent, instead of a lot of the smart alecky and disheartening comments above.
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Audrey C,

Malaysia 16/03/2008 15:39:34
I support this petition.

For one thing, though homosexuality is a crime in Syria, however being gay in this case is A DIFFERENT CRIME than him distributing anti-government leaflets.

The question is, why is a 15 year old boy sentenced to high guarded hardcore prison? Shouldn't he be handled under the juvenile court?

Being electrified,beaten and having being shot clearly shows that he is treated as a dangerous person of some sort.

A boy of 15 years may not have the sense of maturity and therefore shouldn't be treated as if he was an adult who can afford to make decisions and also oppose a huge threat to the community as if he alone is able to bring the whole world down.

Maybe, I may not be mature enough to give my opinions but this is at least what I feel about this matter.

I guess the Scotland authorities should try to help him out and maybe relocate him to a safe place elsewhere.

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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 15:44:32
While the Americans have set themselves up to be the world's policemen, from reading many of these posts, it would appear that Scotland wants to set itself up as the world's conscience. While I applaud the instinct I scorn the naivite.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 15:45:12
272# If he was 'mature' enough to risk having sex in prison, then he is 'mature' enough to accept the punishment that he knew was awaiting him.

He knew the law, he knew the punishment, and he also knew criminals who could get him a false passport. Then, he just happened to know that the Scottish Gay Lobby would support his asylum claim.

Send him back immediately.
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Paulc37,

Fairfax Va. 16/03/2008 15:47:05
This man outwardly represents a category of people(Gay) that is spreading the agonizing deathly disease of HIV/AIDS. In America the Gays have infiltrated the Red Cross who have been accepting Gay Blood. The Red Cross has now been fined millions of dollars for doing so but it appears they will continue and just pay the fines every few years. The theory is if everyone has HIV then Gay generators and sustainers of this disease are no longer stigmatized since everyone gets to die a slow painful death.

The Gay lifestyle is first a tremendous health problem. If this guy is not involved in promiscuous high risk to HIV sex, then he should be treated as just a struggling person. If he brings his HIV with Him that implies quarantined considerations or even return but that is absolute cruelty for he will be killed.

Gay is first and foremost a health problem which is a danger to all. The homosexual problem must consider this consequence of Gay sex first in making decisions of what to do. However each case should be treated as unique in the overall context of the threat to everyone else's health.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 15:52:39
275...Please take your vicious evil hatred elsewhere...you are a disgrace to the human race....
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 15:52:47
I used to think that anti-homosexual bigotry was just someplace that people hung out their free floating anxiety. But I'm beginning to think it is something more visceral - something innate - something biological?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 15:53:20
261....Aye Media1 in your dreams mate...in your dreams....
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 15:54:38
276 Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen, 16/03/2008 15:52:39 writes:

"275...Please take your vicious evil hatred elsewhere...you are a disgrace to the human race..."

Horrible - don't shout him down - destroy his argument.
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Thorne,

Fintry 16/03/2008 15:54:44
I fully support this petion and hope this young man is given support and guidence from all the Scottish people. It saddens me that there exists in this country of ours so much hatred and bigotory. Life is short.
CRY MY BELOVED COUNTRY

Thorne Redmond
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 15:57:03
With total freedom, men will have sex with anything - living or otherwise.

Society imposes rules on behaviours that go against the needs of society as a whole.

The Gay Lobby has overturned the rights of all members of society to live healthy lives.

The main aim of the ADULT Gay Lobby is to overturn and remove the age of consent for children, ensuring danger for all children from all abusers.
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Audrey C,

16/03/2008 15:57:20
274#

In every country , we all hear of teenagers having premarital sex . But does that mean that they have the maturity of mind?
Knowing the law is one thing but knowing how to think and behave is another thing.

Besides, you claiming that he knew criminals who gave him fake passport is AN ASSUMPTION made.

Who knows he may have met someone along the way and that "kind" person decided to help him out. Nearly everyone knows how to make a fake passport. Its not a thing where only CRIMINALS know how to do.

However, I still think that he should be given a chance or at least be prosecuted in a juvenile court as according to his age .
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New kid on the blog,

Borders 16/03/2008 15:59:34
Let him stay.
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 16:03:07
All I can say is he's lucky he has Mungo Bovey as his brief. Heaven must be looking after him.
275

Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:06:15
282# So, it's not criminal to produce fake passports?
Is it also likely that he had sex in prison with a teenager?

He was in prison for 'distributing anti-government leaflets' which he knew was a crime in Syria. He then had sex with a man while in prison - which he knew was a crime in Syria.

I don't hear of many ex-prisoners from Scotland seeking asylum for laws they disagree with here.
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jdships,

16/03/2008 16:07:12
280 Thorne,Fintry

I have no problems with a persons sexuality as I have friends, both male and female, who are gay.
Can you please tell me how you can ensure this country is not become a haven for illegal immigrants ?
For this is what this guy is through travelling on a forged Belgian passport.

If we let him stay do we let those who have religeous , political , health etc etc problems remain although they are illegal immigrants .
Let Belgium take him in he has their passport documents !
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Westcoaster,

perth 16/03/2008 16:10:01
send the criminal back he's not wanted here and thats nothing to do with his sexuality. we have enough of our own criminals without his type hiding behind his "homosexuality" to stay in our soft touch country
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 16:12:57
275
http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/tips/spread.html

Is it because gay sex is not mentioned as such on this site "proves" that they have been "infiltrated"?

Look at Africa, the main vector for HIV is heterosexual sex...

...And the auld eejit in Rome that says condoms are a "sin"...
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Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 16/03/2008 16:14:10
Perhaps the humane solution to please all parties to this debate would be some form of medical castration prior to deportation.This should ensure his readmision to Syria without penalty
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tbmom,

Katy Texas Usa 16/03/2008 16:16:40
I fully support this petition to save this young man.
Sheena Jarvis. Katy. Texas. USA.

Human rights demand that you are given freedom to express yourself,your beliefs and your liberty-have we not fought enough wars to bear this as the ultimate right of all individuals.
Even though I disagree with his life style, as a Christian I believe to send him back to Syria is sending him to his death.Let us listen to reason and give to him the freedom he has sought so hard to acheieve.
281

Emz,

Falkirk 16/03/2008 16:17:21
I support this petition.
282

CSF,

edinburgh 16/03/2008 16:18:21
Send him home
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 16:19:49
285
I'm reasonably sure he bought the passport, not manufactured it.
Giving out anti government leaflets in Ba'thist Syria should be rewarded with a medal.
A teenager in a Syrian prison will have sex with men, even if he doesn't want to.
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 16:21:18
There is only one question - Is he a legitimate asylum seeker?
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:21:46
293#
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16/03/2008 16:21:49
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 16:24:49
Article 31. - Refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:26:05
293 Conan the Librarian™, -
So buying a passport is not illegal?

Giving out anti government leaflets in Ba'thist Syria should be rewarded with a medal - in Syria -by Syrians?

A teenager in a Syrian prison will have sex with men, even if he doesn't want to - In that case, he would be shouting about being a rape victim (and gain much more sympathy) and not a practising homosexual.
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Gothic Rose,

16/03/2008 16:28:44
JoJO.You are a little chancer,and bitten of more than you can chew[no pun intended]
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Audrey C,

16/03/2008 16:29:14
285#

Well, its not just about him having sex with another teenagers.Premarital sex refers to sex before marriage. So it doesn't matter if he had it with a teenager or an adult, its still underage sex which like I have been emphasizing on about MATURITY of MIND.

AGAIN, no offense to you, but I would like to STRESS that doing an act of crime or an action , which includes as well knowing the law doesn't in fact guarantee that he is MATURE to think of consequences then.

And now, they are punishing and jailing and TORTURING him for being gay when he was INITIALLY jailed for distributing anti-government leaflets.

The reason why he ran away was because he was tortured brutally in an inhumane way any BOY , 15 years of age could possibly get. Imagine the trauma he went through and if you were him, you would have ran away and seek help and protection from a different country too.

Man, this is rather a very debatable topic.. everyone had their own views and opinions. So lets not argue and leave it to the judges, jury and the authorities to decide what they should do to him.

Its not like what we say actually matters when the power is not in our hands.

Just hope that he gets a fair trial and is given a chance to voice and to protect himself.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 16:29:55
299
Yes.But if the alternative is a Syrian prison, then go for it.
Anti government Syrians-and us.
You can be both.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:33:35
301# We know he was jailed for distributing anti-goverment leaflets. But we only have his word for being tortured for being gay.

And, not all victims run away to a different country. Where are the family, friends of this 15 year immature boy?
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An Beal Bacht,

16/03/2008 16:35:36
Signing petitions is very much like voting for labour - people do it without thinking.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:36:31
Most people who risk distributing anti-goverment leaflets have a political agenda and, I would suggest, seek to change the society they live in.

So, why did he run away and leave his fellow anti-government activists? What good can he do them here?

But, then that's not why he's here is it? It's because he broke Syrian law regarding homosexuality.

Remember Oscar Wilde?
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 16:38:13
303
Perhaps they too are in prison?
Or true to their culture they have disowned him?
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16/03/2008 16:39:35
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AlecJ,

Aberdeen 16/03/2008 16:39:56
From what I read, this boy needs compassion. Allowing him to stay would show that compassion. Not the compassion of Mohammed's Allah, of course, but one which shows this island group of nations in a good light. Leave to remain here would be a sign of our comapssion and show we are still a good place.
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16/03/2008 16:40:13
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:42:00
Shi*te is sh*te wherever it is.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:45:34
And Horrible Cankers can result
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/03/2008 16:45:41
305....Here!....I've goat you sussed pal!!...You'r thon madman in the frock...whitsisname...'Basher Devine'!!....its you innit??....knew I'd read that Oscar Wilde connection somewhere else before....and incidentally..it might jist hiv escaped yer notice bit that wis OVER one hundred years ago!...dae ye get the connection here?....Victorian attitudes..eh?
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16/03/2008 16:47:37
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 16:48:17
275. What a distasteful, hate filled and totally nonsense post.

Donated blood in the USA and Western Europe is batch tested for HIV. Quite how the "infiltrating gays" are spreading HIV via the blood transfusion system you don't explain - are they faking the tests?

The USA unfortunately has had a policy of paying for blood donations. This has led to contamination of blood previously with HIV and Hep C, predominantly because of intravenous drug users donating blood for cash. The USA administration was slow in funding HIV research, and testing blood (as was the French government, who were contesting the NIH patented test as they believed Institute Pasteur had developed the anti-body test first) - this probably did more to infect people with HIV through blood transfusions than your fictional gay conspiracy.

HIV transmission globally, in the UK and USA, is predominantly via heterosexual intercourse. This would seem to under mine your "argument" that vile gay people are spreading this disease. In sub-Saharan Africa there are countries with 40% adult population HIV+ and 9 out of very 10 hospital beds occupied by people who are HIV+.

I am not sure why you think the HIV status of the Syrian asylum seeker is important.

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Audrey C,

16/03/2008 16:48:28
303 #

It is because he was giving emphasis on him being tortured when they found out he was gay.

It also shows that he himself accepts his punishments and being jailed for going against the government.

Besides, Oscar Wilde was at least given a fair trial and was given a chance to voice out in court before being sentenced to jail.And that also, he wasn't tortured in jail. He was just LIVING in it for years before he was released and soon died of illness.

So, the boy, should at least be given a fair trial and a chance like what Oscar Wilde had before being sentence at all.Apart from that, even if he was really to be sent to prison for being gay, I'm sure, he doesn't need to be tortured and attacked by the prison guards.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:53:32
So where are all the non-gay prisoners who get tortured by prison guards. Are you saying it's only gays who are victims of abuse?
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 16:53:55
314
There have been many Ayrshire.

Far too many.
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Paulc37,

Fairfax Va 16/03/2008 16:54:54
288 Conan

I read the news I do not make the news. The Washington Post reported 3 times about Gays being allowed erroneously to give blood as the Red Cross decided to remove the screening from their questionnaire.

Why would the Red Cross do such a thing would be the question? The ACLU, American Psychological Society and Psychiatric Association are headed by openly Gay people. The inference by the Red Cross dangerous actions implicates Gay infiltration. They have no policy against hiring Gays. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...... The Gays are not dumb. They infiltrate and push their sordid human destroying agenda. The stupid are they who ignore the facts in a bigger context.

Africans are known to have inculcated Anal sex in their Culture.

You want to avoid HIV/AIDS avoid Anal and Oral Sex.

Anecdotal evidence is that everyone would have HIV/AIDS if it came frame heterosexual sex. Why is not all of Scotland HIV/AIDS if it comes from heterosexual sex?

I would guess you know little about the sexual mores of Africa. Literature does not support your contention in any case. Go onto Google.

We are killing off Blacks here as half of them were in prison and are down low. They are Not Gay's but they are down lo . HIV is rampant in the Black community. Kids are dying in their teens and early 20's even with chemical treatments.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 16:56:50
316. The issue here is whether it is right to deport someone to a country where they face persecution, torture and possibly death - irrespective of the reason. I would hope a straight Syrian who faced torture or had been beaten into a coma for "crimes" of politically opposing the government would be afforded compassion, if the there was a reasonable case that such a fate awaited them.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 16:58:49
Yeah, but they're not over here squealing about being gay? And, they are not obtaining false passports to do so.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 16:59:51
318 "You want to avoid HIV/AIDS avoid Anal and Oral Sex. "

more complete rubbish from the truly ignorant. So only anal and oral sex transmits HIV. despite the fact that globally heterosexual transmission accounts for c 97% of HIV cases.

Want to avoid HIV - use a condom during penetrative sex, or abstain from such, don't share needles if an intravenous drug user (better to abstain from that too).
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:02:16
321# It's hardly rubbish. Heterosexual sex has always created its own form of disease throughout time. But it is promiscuous bi-sexuality (the bum boogie) that is most likely to spread HIV into the heterosexual community.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:02:53
320. He is not "squealing about being gay" - he is applying for asylum because he alleges he was beaten into a coma beacause he is gay, and was arrested and beaten for political activities. If there is a reasonable chance he will suffer similar in Syria if he returns the compassionate thing would be to let him stay. Of note, the UK has suspended the deportation of an Iranian gay man, whose boyfriend was executed for being gay in that country, and who gave his name during "interrogation".
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Father Yardley,

St Alphonsus 16/03/2008 17:04:24
313 - Would you happen to be one 'Freddie two-fingers?' ex project leader of St Alphonsus' amateur dramatic society? it is you is it not?

If so Father McIver has asked that you return the Lady MacBeth frock and Queen Elizabeth 1st tiara, he would also like to discuss with you a matter re inappropriate expenses to your petty cash float, as you are no longer answering your telephone I am afraid we have to take this step and go public. Father McIver has quite categorically stated that he refuses to accept that those rubber contraptions are 'stage props', a complete edition (left behind by you) of 'Health and Efficiency' was also found hidden in the costume cupboard. We are hoping that you can explain this.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:05:53
323# If he goes back to Syria and obeys Syrian laws, what has he got to worry about? If his punishment is outstanding (he escaped to Lebanon), then he should complete his sentence, or as he says, does a term in the Syrian army.

The executed gay in Iran broke Iranian laws about public displays. Laws are laws are laws. If they want to change the laws of their own country, they have to be there.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:06:11
322. Nope. the most credible etiological study of HIV in Africa (which is soaring) attributed the start of that epidemic to vaccination programmes for polio which used monkey serum to culture the virus. And in Africa and SE Asia, where the highest level of HIV transmission is occuring, it is overwhelmingly amongst people who identify themseleves as totaly heterosexual. But please continue to post your silly, subjective and unfounded opinions.
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Audrey C,

16/03/2008 17:06:13
316 #

You seem ugh.. a abit off the track and you don't seem to be getting me.

Anyway, let me EXPLAIN what I have written in simple English.

What I meant was, MUST HE BE BEATEN IN PRISON JUST BECAUSE HE WAS GAY?

He could be dumped there for all we know but who gives the POWER to the prison guards to trash the boy just because they are homophobic?

I did not say that gays are victims of abuse . You are jumping the gun and ACCUSING me of saying it when CLEARLY it is not what I meant.

The boy here , claims that he has been TORTURED and ABUSED because he was gay. And that is what he is trying to JUSTIFY.

That is why like I said again and again, the boy needs to be given a fair trial and be made sure that he won't be beaten just because he was gay!

ANd yes, I have to really agree with Aryshire Scot in 319 # about the main issue.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:10:29
325. I see. How compassionate. Given that women are stoned to death for adultery in some mid-East countries, with out corroborating evidence or fair legal process, just on the word of the husband, would you also favour deporting a woman facing that punishment to her home country if she appealed for asylum here? Laws are laws after all.
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Father Yardley,

St Alphonsus 16/03/2008 17:12:36
Oh and Mr Moffat, the five a sides organiser has asked that you return the five pounds that you borrowed from him and the boys kits that you promised to wash. They are badly in need of them for next Saturday and have no other.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 17:12:49
318
Paulc37.
You seem to think "gays" are another species."They" don't infiltrate anywhere."They" get jobs and live their lives.
In Scotland in the 1980's, especially in Edinburgh, the main vector for HIV transference was intravenous drug use not sexual intercourse, anal, oral or otherwise.
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ArchieGemmill,

16/03/2008 17:15:18
#295 amazing how no-one wants to answer your question! A badly written article (see #135) that raises questions about his integrity.

If his initial asylum application was on the grounds of facing death because of being homosexual then I would not want him sent back. However, poor journalism does not tell us if this is why he is applying for asylum.

Has he made up his homosexual lifestyle after discovering his "asylum application was mistakenly withdrawn"? If not then fine, let him stay, but if he's making this up after being convicted of having a fake passport then ship him out.

I'll say again, poor journalism for not reporting all the facts. This guy wants to tell us about the persecution in Syria - fine, but there is no mention of his remorse at having illegal documents. Why did he have the fake passport? How did he get it?

I would like far more information before making up my mind.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:17:19
330. There is some debate, but probably late 1950s/ early 1960s saw the first HIV cases. Given that the disease is native to green monkeys, there have probably been isolated cases through infection over the past decades, before the 1980s pandemic. The anti-body test to define the presence of the virus was developed in the mid 80s.
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Dorota,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 17:17:35
In full support of this petition
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:18:18
329# Fact: the man was arrested for anti-government political activity. He was not arrested for being gay.

No, I would never consider returning a beaten woman to her home country where the laws are blatantly skewed.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 17:21:40
336
Like Iran perhaps?
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:25:50
338# Jessie, I thought you'd left me. Welcome home.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:27:41
338# I'm wearing yer breeks.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:28:26
336. He states he was arrested for political activity, and tortured. He states he was beaten into a coma because he was gay. If these are true, and there is possibility he will be tortured if he is returned to Syria, compassion would be to be keep him here.

Interesting you would not deport a woman to a regime with horrendous laws, but would deport this man.
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A. Puschkin,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 17:28:43

Anybody facing brutality or death if they are sent home should of course be allowed to stay.

P.Niblock
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:29:56
342# Genuine asylum seekers tend not to procure false passports!
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Caora Dubh,

Croit Sheasgair 16/03/2008 17:34:24
It is not my job to judge whether or not this young man is telling the truth, and nor am I supposed to. That's why we employ professional people to make such assessments. In any case only a fool would make such a judgement on the basis of a newspaper report without even meeting the young man in question, BUT

If he is telling the truth, of course he is welcome to stay in this country, and what's more we should give him the educational and other opportunities that he would most certainly be denied in Syria.

It is incredibly sad that there are so many backward regimes such as that of the Syrian Government: brainwashed sadists who enjoy inflicting extreme cruelty on their citizens, too indoctrinated and too stupid by far to even begin to read, learn and understand human sexual orientation, or anything else that requires the slightest mental effort. To the Syrian Government, I ask this question:

Why do are you so cruel to people who have not hurt anyone else, and who had no desire to hurt anyone else?

No doubt despite your fat cat salaries and big villas in Damascus and elsewhere, you are nothing more than an ignorant, uneducated bunch of simpletons, the kind of rabble that can appreciate little else but cruelty.
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9/11 was an inside job,

AIDS 16/03/2008 17:36:39
Flog him and deport him to Syria. We don't need another diseased sodomite draining the NHS. He had a false passport, and he must've passed through other safe countries. He's a chancer. Obviously heard that we're a soft touch. He probably isn't even gay. They don't promote stuff like in Syria.
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Audrey C,

16/03/2008 17:37:20
330#

I'm not shouting. The caps are for EMPHASIS.

OH lord.And yes ,Whatever about where I'm coming from.

and because I just don't seem to be as smart as you are in arguing about nothingness ,

You being, totally stubborn and strong headed, also refusing to accept and refused to be open towards other people's opinions and for that, I shall leave you alone to your radical comments and mentality.

And I shall go to sleep now cause I have classes tmr morning.

May you leave the boy alone in peace and stop being so radical against him.

Again,

I agree to this petition. -Audrey-

night and happy debating people~

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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 17:38:20
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Unless that's the only way to get out of the country.

And why are you wearing Mrs Furchrissake's breeks?

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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 17:42:10
349
Note his wife is called Jessie.Would that be a big Jessie?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 17:45:11
350. Poor Mrs Furchrisake - she doesn't know whcih way to turn....
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 16/03/2008 17:46:16
The Iranian "Government" is worse than the Syrian. Such people lost the plot a long time ago: they have raised dogma and doggerel above human kindness. For such brainwashed screwballs it is far more important to thump scripture into the heads of little children, and to obey ancient injunctions, than to actually care about people. Ze rituals must be obeyed! Sieg Heil!

Your treatment of your own people - the way that the Iranian revolutionary regime under Khomeini and his colleagues could torture and kill girls and boys - (1) places you in exactly the same category as the notorious SAVAK (secret police) of the Shah of Iran, (2) degrades you to less than pigs rooting in gutters.
But I don't expect your narrow little minds to be able to grasp this - because you lost your own minds and your own humanity when you too, were indoctrinated as little children. And you'll never escape.
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 17:46:21
349 Leave big Jessie alone, Conan, she'll wallop you. I'm wearing her breeks because she hisny washed mine.
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Catherine674,

glasgow 16/03/2008 17:49:10
I didn't realise we had so many bigots in Scotland, i thought we were country who knew how to show compassion, i am sure we are, i am sure this is a case of people who don't know enough about Syria and the regime they have there. My boyfriend is from Syria and some of the stories he tells of the corruption and police brutality would bring you to tears. To sent this boy back would lead to certain death for him. Would you sleep well at night in your free and democratic land if that happened???
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 16/03/2008 17:57:02
#349 Ayrshire Scot: The theory that Hilary Koprowski's attenuated polio vaccine caused the HIV epidemic, because the attenuation was through African green monkies (also called "vervet monkies") infected by the very closely related simian immunodeficiency virus, was advanced by just one person who was not a virologist, in a book called "The River". In fact it is equally probable that the AIDS epidemic was caused by cuts on the hands of hunters being infected by the blood of monkies, which are still very extensively hunted and eaten in Central Africa. It is simply not possible to tell. Regardless of this the vaccine was highly effective against polio, and Koprowski certainly had no intention whatsoever of infecting anyone with polio. It should also be appreciated that the vaccinations were performed in a rather "naive" era of medical advancement. Today the rules would be much tighter.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 18:02:51
357. CD

the "theory" was advanced by several of the Belgian virologists and biochemists who worked on the polio vaccinnation programme in the Comgo. The issue was not "attenuation" but culture of the live polio virus in serum from monkeys, contaminated with SIV.

Looking at the epidemiology of the disease, it seems a very plausible theory, one which would explain the appaulingly high infection rate in Africa, better than isolated biting/ other single transmission events involving monkeys.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 18:06:45
357. Indeed, I didn't suggest that the polio vaccination programme was not of huge value and successful (it was) - nor that the Belgian team did anything wrong on purpose. However, several of the Belgian scientists reported using monkey serum due to a shortage of human blood for cultivating the virus - the protocol called for human serum to be used to grow the virus, which was then harvested, attenuated and administered. I think this is more plausible than single transmission theories thorugh cuts to hunters...all a bit off topic
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 16/03/2008 18:09:10
#355 Catherine 674: The UK is horrifically bigoted. My brother was beaten up in Manchester (ironically after a date with a young woman) on the way back home, by three young men who accused him of being gay, supposedly because of his hairstyle.
In London I saw a young man thrown out of a noghtclub and then attacked by three yobs, because he was gay or supposedly gay.
I also two adolescents scream obscentities at a man walking through a park, the obscenities being connected with homosexuality.
No, the UK is by and large ruled by heartless, ill-educated, beer swilling, uncultured louts.

The root of much of this is deprivation and/or congenital stupidity, plus men who are so unsure of themselves, so immature, that they feel their own sexuality is somehow threatened by gays. I loathe such weak men - they make me shudder. A man must be a man, and stand up for what is good and right - not some wimp who gangs up with his mates and attacks people because "he don't have nowt 'tween his legs", as they would say in Yorkshire.
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Matt MC,

Argyll 16/03/2008 18:15:31
I am sorry to see the level of ignorance and bigotry voiced here. What a bunch of sick narrow minded little people. I didn't realise how much in common the readers' of Scotland on Sunday had with Daily Mail readers.

I sign this petition.
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wolfette,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 18:32:45
I sign the petition.

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subrosa,

16/03/2008 18:35:24
I wouldn't sign any petition just on the back of this article. Smacks of a smart QC deciding that if he persuades his client to play the gay card...