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Published Date: 20 January 2008
CLIMATE change rather than uncooperative councillors could ultimately turn out to be Donald Trump's greatest adversary. If built, the tycoon's controversial Aberdeenshire golf course could be washed away by the sea, according to a government-funded environmental group.
An SNH insider confirmed that the agency had created a strongly worded report, and said: "We are keeping our powder dry at the moment, but when this report is made public people will sit up and take notice. It is in (Trump's] own long-term economic i
nterests to listen to the warnings now. Is it wise to build on low-lying vulnerable land in the face of climate change? It seems to me to be very clear that the answer is no.

"In the future parts of the course could well crumble into the sea because of erosion and rising sea levels."

Dr Alan Brampton, who has advised golf clubs across the UK on the dangers of coastal erosion, is in no doubt that Trump's proposals face a very real environmental threat.

"There is plenty of land nearby which is available and is further away from the coast. I would strongly advise Donald Trump to go back 50 metres before he creates anything of value. Anyone who chooses to build directly on the coast is taking a big risk."

Brampton, the technical director of independent consultancy firm HR Wallingford, said coastal golf clubs across Scotland were already facing considerable problems.

"The dunes at the Royal Aberdeen golf course are already receding quite rapidly and there also problems with erosion at Montrose just down the coast. Nearly all Scotland's links courses are experiencing problems with erosion and I don't see why Trump's course would be any different."

The Scottish Golf Environment Group has already warned that Scottish links courses face losing at least a third of their holes by 2050 because of erosion. It warned clubs to draw up protective strategies stating: "Apathy is not an option. It is vital to identify the parts of your course that are vulnerable. Failure to do so will result in course deterioration."

Trump International has always insisted that its Scottish plans were created with environmental implications in mind. Trump International's project director, Neil Hobday, strongly rejected claims that the proposed course would be prone to erosion.

He said: "Some of Britain's top coastal management experts have provided us with substantial information on both future tidal and flood possibilities. They have concluded that the threat to the site is virtually zero over the next couple of hundred years."

The plans, which will be ruled on by Scottish ministers in the near future, include two championship golf courses, a five-storey hotel and 950 holiday homes on coastline north of Aberdeen.

Supporters claim it will generate hundreds of jobs and bring £50m of investment into the north east.



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  • Last Updated: 19 January 2008 8:06 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Richardinho,

20/01/2008 03:01:46
'Some of Britain's top coastal management experts have provided us with substantial information on both future tidal and flood possibilities. They have concluded that the threat to the site is virtually zero over the next couple of hundred years.'

As if Trump would be such an idiot to not research such a possibility on a multi-million pound investment.

Poor try.
2

An Beal Bacht,

20/01/2008 04:04:08
1 - awake and alert - well done!
3

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 20/01/2008 05:56:27
Editor: Right Marc. Away you and write a story about Global Warming.
Marc Horne: But what will I write about?
Editor: It doesnae matter. Any p!sh will do as long as it threatens a disaster of some kind!
4

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 20/01/2008 06:33:08
Send Trump to NAIRN, where the sea has just added another 3 holes to our glorious city!! Glogal warming indeed from an englishman.
5

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 07:35:30
Could alway wheel Alex Salmond down to the sea so he can command the sea to go back..............Some believe he could do this..........
6

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 07:35:31
Could alway wheel Alex Salmond down to the sea so he can command the sea to go back..............Some believe he could do this..........
7

langtonian,

scotus 20/01/2008 08:41:11
Touch of Trump "cold feet" when dipping in the North Sea.Question -Given a fourball group of keen Golfers were planning in September as to where they would choose to select,just say it had been boiled down to,Trump luxury course near Aberdeen and Spannish/Portuguese courses of similar quality,given they were going for a week's play between November and March.Wishing to be out and golfing rather than "enjoying" the luxury of the club house facillities,What would appear the most sensible package deal to enhance their on course golfing experiance golfing experience

To any golfing afficendo reading this,is there a choice to be made or not?. FORE!!!
8

Sprauncy,

Aberdeenshire - the voice of the people is heard! 20/01/2008 08:45:24
Aberdeen/shire locals express your support by going on-line and putting your cross on the petition. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TrumpSupport/

According to this imaginative by Marc Horne, Mr Trump's scheme will be washed away eventually? What's all the fuss been about then? It's interesting what rubbish gets printed in leading newspapers. #1 Richardinho,
20/01/2008 03:01:46 is right on target.
9

inkster,

20/01/2008 09:10:05
I remember the Montrose Medal course well. Next to ST A the perfect links course. Pity about the coastal erosion though.
10

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 09:28:31
So, will it be 'Trumpton by Sea' or 'Trumpton under Sea'? Or maybe just 'Waterworld'.
11

Senga Jean,

20/01/2008 10:16:35
Is SNH not a good target for the bonfire of the Quangos?
12

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20/01/2008 11:23:06
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13

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:02:51
5 Niko

he certainly turned the tide on 50 years of Labour failure and underachievement in Scotland.
14

Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 20/01/2008 12:23:56
#13 A.S. That is a match winning putt from all of 50 years, sorry 50 yards! They don't like it "when you get it up 'em", Corporal Jones!
15

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 12:52:05
#13

27% in favour of independence not so much as turning the tide as a gentle wave........
16

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:55:06
15. Did I miss a referendum? And did you miss the last poll that asked the question as proposed by the Government - 40% support?

Did you miss the fact the SNP won the last election, and are also the biggest party in Scottish local government?

By your analogy Labour and the Tories must be the fading ripples on the stagnant pond of unionism.
17

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:55:35
15. Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories.....so far out, and not waving, but drowning....
18

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 15:28:58
'Climatic changes appear to be destabilizing vast ice sheets of western Antarctica that had previously seemed relatively protected from global warming, researchers reported (on 13/1/08), raising the prospect of faster sea-level rise than current estimates.'

Underwater golf anyone?

19

dianne12,

Aberdeenshire 20/01/2008 17:01:06
Look at the SEPA Flood Map for current info http://www.sepa.org.uk/flooding/mapping/important.asp (Looks like Duff House course might get pretty wet too!)
Maybe things are changing faster than anticipated and perhaps the flood map is not as good as it should be - e.g. doesn't account for 'the tipping point' with regard to ice melt acceleration. There will most certainly be some flooding and erosion in these parts. Have a look at the minutes from this Aberdeenshire Council meeting NE Scotland Flood Liason Group - SEPA don't screen all applications - they assume the planning dept does it?
http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/flooding/NESFLAG-MINUTES02-03-07.PDF
20

overton,

balmedie 20/01/2008 17:28:02
22 dianne12:

You and Debra will class this as a victory then?

You'll no need to worry about losing the dunes to a golf course now because they'll be lost anyway due to ice sheet melt?

Hope your hoose is OK.
21

dianne12,

aberdeenshire 20/01/2008 17:43:37
23 Overton

I didn't comment on this article either way, I just put forward some information that might be useful - why do you assume that this is some sort of competition? it's really not like that. I just want what's best - it's not a personal quest.
My hoose is fine, thanks for asking - it's on the top of a hill.


22

calum,

Banchory 20/01/2008 18:28:43
So, for the benefit of Dianne and Beth Boyle and all the other little lentil eating pixies who are regulars on this issue, is this news confirmation that if the rising of sea levels will wash away the Trump Golf resort then it would also have washed away the grasses, birds and other flora and fauna which they have fought so hard for?
23

dianne12,

Aberdeenshie 20/01/2008 19:29:13
This is not about winnng - nobody is going to win! If we carry on with the 'business as usual' approach to economic growth we will all suffer. Whatever you may think we are on the brink of the 6th major extinction in the history of this planet(read the literature)and we are at Peak Oil, things are going to change dramatically. This development is short term thinking - 'quick kill' for Trump et al. Preserving the environment and biodiversity isn't about taking sides - we are part of this ecosystem, not separate from it. Keep slinging the lentil jokes....nobody will be laughing in the long term.
Denial is a wonderful thing!
#26 Flood map states river + coastal flood risk.

24

dianne12,

Earth 20/01/2008 19:40:51
FYI
re: How man is changing his environment and the 6th extinction. Take the time to have a read.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html
25

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:04:25
#29. or read this:

NASA weather error sparks global warming debate1998 no longer hottest year in US
By Austin Modine in Mountain View ?
Published Tuesday 14th August 2007 20:28 GMT
Conservative blogs were alight last week when they turned up an error in NASA's methods for recording US temperatures. As a result, it has been concluded that 1934, not 1998, was America's hottest year on record.

The problem was caught when blogger, Stephen McIntyre of Climate Audit, crunched the numbers from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies for himself. McIntyre found that apparently an error was affecting the data for the years 2000 through 2006.

Or more accurately, after 1999, the data wasn't being fractionally adjusted to compensate for the time of day or location from where the data was being gathered. McIntyre emailed his discovery to NASA's Goddard Institute, which prompted the data review.

The data correction reduced the mean US temperature by about 0.15 ºC for the years 2000 through 2006, for an average of 0.66 ºC. The news was a delight to global warming naysayers — such as the conservative blogger Noel Sheppard at NewsBusters —who claimed it refutes a key tenet of the global warming "myth" advanced by Al Gore that nine of the ten warmest years in history have occurred since 1995. They also claim the lack of coverage on the mistake indicates a liberal media cover-up.

The new top 10 hottest years in the US are: 1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938 and 1939.

Global warming skeptics point out that now four of the country's 10 warmest years were in the 1930s.

NASA officials, however, have called the changes trivial to spotting a global warming trend. The US covers only a small fraction of the globe, and the resulting change to the world's mean temperature is on the order of one-thousandth of a degree. NASA climate modeler Gavin Schmidt points out that longer term US averages have not changed rank. The years 2002-2006 were still w
26

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:10:57
#29. Or this. What is your opinion on the MWP?

All this the archaeologists owe to the retreat the glacier in the upper Bernese country, which continues for decades and was accelerated by the particularly hot summer of 2003. However it was still hotter in the third millennium BC. At that time the temperatures in the Swiss Alps were up to two degrees over the today’s. The timber line had climbed substantially, the glacier zone began only at 2700 meters. In the outgoing Stone Age and the early Bronze Age, the inhabitants of central Switzerland used the later completely forgotten Schnidepass, in order to come directly into the Rhonetal. Identical garb needles in graves at the Thuner lake and in the Rhonetal speak for such a direct connection.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=434
27

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:13:06

#29. Or this.



Evans says that 300 years ago the coastal land around Breidamerkurjokull was ice-free and used for farming by local people.

Then, in the early decades of the 18th century, the climate grew colder and giant rivers of ice spread out from the Vatnajokull sheet, including the Breidamerkurjokull glacier.

These moved miles down to the coast, covering pastures and crushing farmhouses that lay in their path.

"The Little Ice Age lasted almost 200 years, reaching its peak, in Iceland, in 1890, when Breidamerkurjokull got closest to the sea," said Evans.

"That mini-ice age is over now, and the climate has been getting warmer for the past 100 years. Hence the shrinking and disintegration of the glacier.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/10/23/iceland.glacier/index.html
28

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:14:41
Were no doomed were no doomed, come back come back.

Langtonian have you been to the Co-op again?
29

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 20/01/2008 20:28:18
If the Brigadier General of Global Warming Al Gore refrained from buzzing around in his private jet Menie's dunes may survive a few more more years or if his 11000 acolyte delegates paddled instead of flying to Bali they may survive a few more centuries.
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
30

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:33:01
Global warming is a scam. The latest evidence is provided in a report published today by the European Science and Environment Forum, in which a group of the most eminent scientists from Britain and America shred the theory and with it the credibility of the IPCC.


This panel got it wrong, these scientists say, because it used wholly inadequate computer models. These omitted numerous factors contributing to climate change such as clouds, water vapour, atmospheric and ocean currents and the effects of the sun.


In addition, they failed to deal with the complex reactions involved in climate change. One study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the National American Space Agency revealed the effects on heat levels of high level clouds, which knocked the climate models for six.


Computer modelling is in general a dubious scientific tool. When it comes to climate change, it uses partial data to transform flawed hypotheses into prophecy. It is of little more use than a ouija board.


As for mankind’s involvement in climate change, this is even more debatable. Carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas for which industrial man is blamed, accounts for only a minute proportion of the atmosphere.


Hair-raising claims by the warming lobby have been shown to be false. The ice sheets, for example, are not shrinking but are actually increasing overall. Evidence about sea-level rise is contradictory, but in general the seas are not rising.


As for air temperatures, past calculations which mistakenly used the seas as a gauge over-estimated air temperatures as a result by one third. When air alone was measured, it was found to have got cooler, not warmer, over the past two decades.

31

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 20:33:28
THAT WAS;

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles/archives/000761.html
32

dianne12,

Earth 20/01/2008 20:53:38
Denial is a wonderful thing!
Check the trend

See the Royal Society for misleading climate change arguments:
http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?tip=1&id=6230

New Scientist overview
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/
I like the item that blames men for climate change!

I guess you guys subscribe to Gold and Hoyle's abiotic oil theory too ;-)
33

dianne12,

Earth 20/01/2008 20:57:00
#36 Hen Broon
Nice research - Melanie Phillips from the Daily Mail??? sorry I'm not familiar with her research work.
34

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 20/01/2008 21:01:42
Anyway most likely another red herring from SNH.
Their main objection to Trumpton was the "Embryonic shifting dunes" allegedly of national importance but a bit of research

http://www.jncc.gov.uk/protectedsites/SACselection/habitat.asp?FeatureIntCode=H2110

revealed Menie and Foveran Links are not even listed.

Even there own SSSI citation has no mention of "Embryonic shifting dunes" at Menie
35

Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 20/01/2008 21:07:16
I dispair of the standard of journalism in SOS. This is woefully researched. I have given up buying the paper and have switched to the Sunday Herald to read Iain MacWhirter and Ian Bell. At least what they write is logical and believable. Eddie Barnes, never mind Marc Horne, is a joke.
36

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 21:10:28
#38. Cmon stop sneering. I asked you a question, what is your opinion of the MWP. Your snide tone says a lot. melanie Philips is a reporter as you well know and she referenced, "European Science and Environment Forum, in which a group of the most eminent scientists from Britain and America shred the theory and with it the credibility of the IPCC."
Now what is your opinion of the MWP?

"Next, the UN abolished the medieval warm period (the global warming at the end of the First Millennium AD). In 1995, David Deming, a geoscientist at the University of Oklahoma, had written an article reconstructing 150 years of North American temperatures from borehole data. He later wrote: "With the publication of the article in Science, I gained significant credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them, someone who would betray science in the service of social and political causes. One of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said: 'We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.' "

So they did. The UN's second assessment report, in 1996, showed a 1,000-year graph demonstrating that temperature in the Middle Ages was warmer than today. But the 2001 report contained a new graph showing no medieval warm period. It wrongly concluded that the 20th century was the warmest for 1,000 years. The graph looked like an ice hockey-stick. The wrongly flat AD1000-AD1900 temperature line was the shaft: the uptick from 1900 to 2000 was the blade. Here's how they did it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml
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HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 21:14:02
Even after the "hockey stick" graph was exposed, scientific papers apparently confirming its abolition of the medieval warm period appeared. The US Senate asked independent statisticians to investigate. They found that the graph was meretricious, and that known associates of the scientists who had compiled it had written many of the papers supporting its conclusion.

The UN, echoed by Stern, says the graph isn't important. It is. Scores of scientific papers show that the medieval warm period was real, global and up to 3C warmer than now. Then, there were no glaciers in the tropical Andes: today they're there. There were Viking farms in Greenland: now they're under permafrost. There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none.

The Antarctic, which holds 90 per cent of the world's ice and nearly all its 160,000 glaciers, has cooled and gained ice-mass in the past 30 years, reversing a 6,000-year melting trend. Data from 6,000 boreholes worldwide show global temperatures were higher in the Middle Ages than now. And the snows of Kilimanjaro are vanishing not because summit temperature is rising (it isn't) but because post-colonial deforestation has dried the air. Al Gore please note.

Dianne have you been flooded whats happened are you OK.

The planet is entering another cooling period. All of the past ice ages were preceded by warmer temperatures, which then led to rapid cooling. Scottish ski slopes are having the best year ever, it is freezing here:o)
38

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA LOOKING FOR DIANNE 20/01/2008 21:17:47
Two centuries ago, the astronomer William Herschel was reading Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations when he noticed that quoted grain prices fell when the number of sunspots rose. Gales of laughter ensued, but he was right. At solar maxima, when the sun was at its hottest and sunspots showed, temperature was warmer, grain grew faster and prices fell. Such observations show that even small solar changes affect climate detectably. But recent solar changes have been big.

Sami Solanki, a solar physicist, says that in the past half-century the sun has been warmer, for longer, than at any time in at least the past 11,400 years, contributing a base forcing equivalent to a quarter of the past century's warming. That's before adding climate feedbacks.

The UN expresses its heat-energy forcings in watts per square metre per second. It estimates that the sun caused just 0.3 watts of forcing since 1750. Begin in 1900 to match the temperature start-date, and the base solar forcing more than doubles to 0.7 watts. Multiply by 2.7, which the Royal Society suggests is the UN's current factor for climate feedbacks, and you get 1.9 watts – more than six times the UN's figure.

The entire 20th-century warming from all sources was below 2 watts. The sun could have caused just about all of it.

Next, the UN slashed the natural greenhouse effect by 40 per cent from 33C in the climate-physics textbooks to 20C, making the man-made additions appear bigger.

Then the UN chose the biggest 20th-century temperature increase it could find. Stern says: "As anticipated by scientists, global mean surface temperatures have risen over the past century." As anticipated? Only 30 years ago, scientists were anticipating a new Ice Age and writing books called The Cooling.

In the US, where weather records have been more reliable than elsewhere, 20th-century temperature went up by only 0.3C. AccuWeather, a worldwide meteorological service, reckons world temperature rose by 0.45C. The US National Clim
39

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 21:18:10
#38 dianne12

well done very well done...poor old hen broom cut and paste your as bad as AM2........dianne12 made my day but not hen broom i fear
40

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 21:18:11
#38 dianne12

well done very well done...poor old hen broom cut and paste your as bad as AM2........dianne12 made my day but not hen broom i fear
41

dianne12,

Earth 20/01/2008 21:19:30

JR Ewing
site code 659 on SNH website - Foveran Links
Operations requiring consent for the designated SSSI

http://gateway.snh.gov.uk/pls/portal/Sitelink.Show_Site_Document?p_pa_code=659&p_Doc_Type_ID=28

As far as I understand this will go before the Scottish Land Court no matter what the gov say or do.

Trouble ahead, destruction of high quality land, divided comminities....is it worth it?

Read some of the consultant comments on the Aberdeenshire planning website - e.g. CEH
42

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 21:19:38
THEY WERE RIGHT THE ICE IS COMING WERE DOOMED DOOMED I TELL YA.

Then the UN chose the biggest 20th-century temperature increase it could find. Stern says: "As anticipated by scientists, global mean surface temperatures have risen over the past century." As anticipated? Only 30 years ago, scientists were anticipating a new Ice Age and writing books called The Cooling.
43

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 21:21:44
#46. You are very good at typing is it not a wee bit late for you to be up of to bed you wee rascal school tomorrow.

Kids who would have them?
44

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 20/01/2008 21:34:27
dianne
more smoke and mirrors
You know perfectly well than Trump is not developing
Foveran links the most northerly edge of the course borders Drum Links

The citation
"Foveran Links is an important part of the Sands of Forvie coastal area to which it is closely linked by a variety of environmental processes. Foveran Links, together with South Forvie, is a type example of what may be described as a normal sand dune system with a dynamic interchange of material between the frontal dunes and the extensive sand beach and spit complex at the mouth of the River Ythan. The site is of exceptional importance for the study of a wide variety of coastal landforms and processes and its value is enhanced by the availability of extensive research results in other disciplines which provide much additional and complementary evidence relevant to solving a broad range of gemorphological problems."

So when did Menie links move the 4 miles north to the mouth of the Ythan

45

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 20/01/2008 21:46:58
No mention seems to have been made so far of post-glacial rebound following the last ice age. Parts of Scotland are still rising by as much as 3 mm/annum. Trump could end up in a few years time with an inland course!!!
46

mobocaster,

20/01/2008 22:01:28
Either way JR, part of the development falls within the SSSI boundary. You have seen the maps before so why are you still pushing this red herring?

Foveran is south of the Ythan BTW, whilst Forvie lies north of it.

As for SNH, its about time they got involved, along with SEPA as there is plenty in the scheme that is actionable under their remit. Although I'd agree this might not be the best way for them to start.

Once again, almost all of this could of course be solved if Trump showed some willingness to cooperate & made the appropriate minor modifications to his scheme.
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mobocaster,

20/01/2008 22:09:36
35 - Hen. Instead of any sort of eminence, European Science and Environment Forum (ESEF) were a bunch of politically/comercially interested comedians & professional nay-sayers with a habit of challenging anything that threatened their sponsor ing industries.

They didn't do a very good or convincing job & packed it in years ago.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=European_Science_and_Environment_Forum

Why dredge them up now?

48

williamx,

canada 20/01/2008 22:37:20
In 100 years under 30 ft of water. This is a flood plain and in the US nobody is permitted to build houses on a flood plain Mr Trump knows that. So if he is prepared to post a bond for construction of a wall 30 ft high he should be accommodated. That kills the view, doesn't it
49

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 20/01/2008 22:53:53
mobocaster

I am well aware that Foveran links are south of the Ythan

Yes I have seen the map and it would be nice to see some facts from SNH to accompany it. You are well aware that Trump is not developing Foveran Links the courses are situated on Petten and Menie Links. We await patiently for someome to produce some incontrovertible scientific fact that significant environmental damage would occur by building a golf course on Menie Links.
50

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 20/01/2008 23:14:40
BTW

Sourcewatch or the Center for Media and Democracy
is an (excuse the terminology) ecofreak activist site the owners/authors of this have written two books titled Mad Cow U.S.A. and Toxic Sludge Is Good for You!
Enuff said!




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langtonian,

uphall 20/01/2008 23:51:12
#64 williamx canada.
Trump could employ that wee Dutch Laddie who saved his country in placing some part of his anatomy-best guess was his finger (others maintain a similar configuration to the finger) in a hole that appeared in a dyke/sea wall, and thus saved his country from flooding.
Is there no end to human ingenuity in resolving apparently insoluble problems ??
52

mobocaster,

20/01/2008 23:58:15
Sourcewatch were convienent & quick. ESEF are taken to bits in much more detail elsewhere. Anyway the whole global warming thing is just a derail. I'm well aware of the extreme positions on both sides - As ever, the truth will lie somewhere inbetween.

The more pertinent thing might be that after wearing out their welcome with the tobacco companies, ESEF's lack of any significant credibility failed to attract continued funding from the petrochemical companies & other major polluters. Speaks volumes?
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HEN BROON 5,

21/01/2008 00:15:32
Ach sh!te dianne did a runner, she is frightened by the MWP and hockey sticks.
I only wanted to ask her why Greenland is called Green land and not Whiteland. Any Vikings in this morning?
54

HEN BROON 5,

21/01/2008 00:18:06
#53. Is big Al there President then?

Whats your take on Greenland?
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overton,

Balmedie 21/01/2008 06:20:28
Hen Broon and JR watch out!!!

Dianne12 and Mobocaster are trying to work the old MARTIAN pincer move on youse!
Martians always work in pairs.

Let's be quite frank about all this, these aliens don't care a jot for the dunes or the North East, all they care about is Total Global Domination!.
56

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 09:40:19
Escalating Ice Loss Found in Antarctica:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/01/14/ST2008011400051.html?sid=ST2008011400051
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 22/01/2008 23:07:33
It is approx., 5.PM Central Standard Time and the Temperature is -21°C with the windchill it feels like -31°C.
Our overnight Windchill value will be -47°C and it is extremely cold...The Windchill values are expected to continue until the weekend when it is expected to get slightly warmer...we hope!

It kind of hits everyone in the eye when we hear about Global Warming, which certainly doesn't seem to be happening in Central Canada.
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
58

boudica,

23/01/2008 04:17:34
Mr Trump just thinks Wee Eck is Great and also I quote "Alex Salmond and I have virtually never even talked about this job but I know for a fact that he - and anyone else who's representing Scotland, unless they're the enemy - wants billions of pounds to come into Aberdeenshire and Scotland."

What does Donald mean when he say Wee Eck and he "Virtually never even talked about this Job" does he mean they more or less didnt talk about it or they nearly did, practically never, or as good as didnt, maybe even effectively did, or was it in effect could`ve , essentially, in essence, for all practical purposes, to all intents and purposes, in all but name. ... or maybe even they just discussed the future of Golf in relation to world events but what I`d love to know is who exactly does Trump class as
"the enemy " and I will say this for Donald these comments give Nicols soundbite " It smells like sleaze" a whole new unsavoury Aroma and I hope The Wee Shiek of Cheek got more than the usual 30 pieces of Silver
59

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 23/01/2008 12:59:07
So Nicol Stephen & his Libdumb mates denying that they re-routed the proposed Aberdeen bypass because Libdumb donator & oil mogul Ian Suttie's hoose was "in the way". Jist coincidence, nothing to see here.

Wot, NO enquiry???

Nicol, IT SMELLS OF SLEAZE...
60

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 25/01/2008 23:56:24
#66 - Mr Suttie was a donor long before the by-pass.
The long awaited detour round Aiberdeen became a reality thanks to the LibDems in power. If you are suggesting going through the Rudolf Steiner school was a better route then shame on you. I know a couple with a child there and I reckon their campaign was far more important to Nicol than the suggestion you make. But then you must be a nationalist and as a result anything goes.

As for the story we refer - Donald just has to bring on King Canute Salmond and the tide like any decision will be reversed - aye well sort out the mess in Lewis- same questions asked - different answer here though - what no bags of money yank pulling the strings?
61

Faye,

29/01/2008 02:48:18
Whaurs Donald and his 30 day over the limit deadline?

Is he still clinging on in the hope his cards will come up Trumps?

62

louise69,

aberdeen 12/02/2008 15:42:05
I cant understand why so many people are out to give Donald Trump such a hard time- Should we not all get behind the golf course and give it our support, it will bring with it a lot of benefits for all of Scotland-not just Aberdeen and the local area.Of course he will make money out of it also- but what did we expect? When a housing developer such a Stewart Milne decides to ravage the countryside and swell small villages to breaking point- no one seems to have a problem with that- yet Trump is trying to bring jobs,billions of investment and a world class golf course into an area that relies solely on the oil industry we are all up in arms. Scotland needs investors like Trump for our long term survival- we have a beautiful country and a long history of golf- we should all make the most of the opportunity or it will be lost to Ireland.
63

Resolutions,

29/02/2008 18:27:22
I was just wondering where Trump got his info from regarding the sealevels etc. Virtually every area is talking about rising sealevels - Giant's Causeway being one which is NOT exaggerating.

How The Trump lot, think the North Sea is going to be immune from this beats me, when there is evidence of developing problems all along the coast!

Not only that, rising water base level means water table and rivers are 're-calibrated' accordingly, so not only coastal areas will notice this!

Why do they think that they are immune?

 

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