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Published Date:
15 July 2007
LESSONS in how to stand up for your consumer rights and avoid being ripped-off are set to be given to Scottish schoolchildren.
Retail watchdog, the Office of Fair Trading (OFT), is to begin talks with the Scottish Executive to have the classes brought in for secondary school pupils so they can avoid being the victims of scams and poor service.

Scottish youngsters spend a
bout £1.39bn each year and studies have shown that the average 10-year-old can recognise up to 400 brands, 20 times more than the varieties of birds they can identify.

A 2005 study conducted across the UK found that young people felt they were treated as second-class customers, compared to adults. Seven out of 10 children felt they were being ripped off by companies, with mobile phone firms being rated among the worst for service.

Now the OFT is to meet with Executive ministers with proposals to teach schoolchildren about their rights as shoppers and consumers.

Pupils can expect to be taught what they can do if they are sold goods which break or do not work, or if an offer includes impossible conditions.

They will also be told which arguments by traders should be dismissed. For example, consumers should not accept objections by staff who insist that their "company policy" rules out refunds, or that the shopper should send their faulty product back to the manufacturer rather than to the shop.

Kyla Brand, the OFT Scottish representative, said: "This is an area that we want to pursue. There's a key role in terms of educating young people who are beginning to become consumers. The curriculum for money will include money as well as maths, for instance, so there is an opportunity there for teaching about consumers' rights."

The lessons are expected to be part of personal and social education classes where topics such as citizenship are covered, rather than being a subject in their own right, such as maths and French.

Although Scotland has no national curriculum by which the government lays down what must be taught, the Executive can issue guidelines saying that schools should enable children to learn about their consumer rights.

Philip Collins, chairman of the OFT, said: "Young people are very switched on to the use of the internet to get information, and some use the internet to make very good price and value comparisons. On the other hand, some make very good use of the internet for all kinds of purposes and then have a blank when it comes to understanding what is best value for money."

A spokesman added: "The conversation with ministers would not be about the content of lessons as such. More on the lines that consumer education matters for young people in Scotland and that empowered consumers matter for the economy of Scotland."

John Loughton, the 19-year-old chairman of the Scottish Youth Parliament, said: "We would welcome this. What's taught in school needs to be more cutting-edge and relevant to giving young people life skills and that includes knowing your rights. You want to know why £10 a month is coming off your bank account. We need to be treated with a lot more respect in terms of purchasing.

"I would also hope that this would be taught by experts who really know the subject, for example trading standards or consumer protection, rather than by a teacher of some other subject just adding this to their portfolio."

Chris Willett, Professor of Consumer law at De Montfort University, Leicester, said the proposal would help deal with problems such as mobile phone cashback deals, which offer subscribers money for signing up with long-term contracts, but which then make it difficult actually to claim for the cash.

He said: "This is a very good policy and children should be taught their rights. There's always this notion that these things are too complicated and it should all be left up to lawyers to sort it out. And people think that if a company does something then it must be okay and not to argue.

"You often hear on these TV watchdog shows the advice, 'Always read the small print.' As if unless you read the small print you can't object. It's actually up to the seller to make things clear to the buyer."

Fiona Moriarty, the director of the Scottish Retail Consortium, said businesses should not be scared by the plans, as long as their operations are above board. She said: "It is a good ideal, young people are important customers and deserve to know their rights as much as any customers. Reputable retailers will have nothing to fear from young shoppers who know their rights."

A spokeswoman for the Executive said: "While there is no national curriculum on Scotland, we would welcome hearing from the OFT on this subject."

Top 10 excuses you should ignore

"Send it back to the manufacturer."

If the goods are faulty it is the trader's problem. They were happy to accept your cash.

"We don't give refunds."

Never mind what the shop's policy is. The law says you're entitled to a refund or a replacement.

"We can't do anything without a receipt."

Not necessarily. A credit card slip may well do.

"You should have read the small print."

The trader must point out and explain any significant issues in the small print. They cannot impose unfair or illegal conditions, small print or not.

"The two-year warranty expired two days ago."

The law says a product should be sold "fit for purpose", and function for a reasonable amount of time, never mind what the warranty says.

"You damaged it."

A product should withstand realistic use. If the problem appears within six months, then the onus is on them to show it was your fault.

"It wasn't designed to last that long."

Depends on the product and what you paid.

"We'll give you a credit note instead."

You have the right to insist on a repair or refund.



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  • Last Updated: 14 July 2007 8:15 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Consumer spending
 
1

Navvy,

15/07/2007 04:01:35

I would prefer the lessons to start with their obligations


They can always decline to have a mobile phone

2

Boy Wonder,

15/07/2007 05:00:25

#1 ... or at least

1) switch the bloody things OFF from time to time.
2) speak quietly, don't shout into it
3) have your tele-conversation in PRIVATE. We don't all want to know what you or you're freinds are doing!

3

American,

USA 15/07/2007 05:46:52

Too bad the schools over there are deciding that learning about Churchill, Hitler, and Stalin isn't as important. What a slap in the face to those who served, and to their families.

4

Mercutio,

Falkirk 15/07/2007 06:26:00

Cosumer Education!!!! I would venture consumerism is the last thing needed never mind wanted. Stop all this social engineering and educate our children on core subjects which to a certain degree have never changed. Tell this quango to BUZZ OFT

5

Cadgers,

Perth 15/07/2007 07:29:59

#2 :-) I am always amazed that I knew where I was "Before Mobiles". Now I know to the inch....I'm at Tescos, I'm on the train/bus(tram?) etc,etc,etc...

6

nell from falkirk,

15/07/2007 08:06:58

Mobile phones were just an example; one which the teenagers can relate to.
Surely teaching people, young or old, their rights within the law has to be a good thing?

I've lost count of the number of times I've been in shops and heard assistants trying to fob people off with feeble excuses in order to escape the obligations of the retailer to its customers.
Old people in particular very often don't know their rights, and suffer accordingly, and though you would hope that bystanders will intervene on their behalf, surely it's better if people can stand up for their OWN rights?

A good idea!


#3 More of your relentless, baseless, clueless far right propaganda. If you're employed by somebody to make the people of Scotland dislike Americans, you're doing a good job.

7

Mercutio,

Falkirk 15/07/2007 09:01:23

#6 nell, rights are all very well but it seems to me that what goes with rights i.e. responsibility is too often forgotten. The OFT is asking about promoting their agenda in schools, not many old people go there, teachers have enough contending with education bureaucrats without this quango sticking their nose in. As for the elderly who have earned their rights that is where OFT should be aiming to get their message across.

8

Lady Jane Grey,

15/07/2007 09:50:12

#6.
Well said Nell,

Teaching people to stand up for their rights is not a bad thing,but there again perhaps it will put a dent in the income of the legal proffession.

3. In what way are you qualified to comment on the Scottish educating system?
In the US an educationaly subnormal chimp could graduate high school.

9

Lady Jane Grey,

15/07/2007 09:53:06

sorry typo................. Education system ,

Perhaps I had too many cold refreshments last night.

10

Mercutio,

Falkirk 15/07/2007 10:07:00

#8 Tut tut sticks and stones and you were probably drinking Bud too , stick to the issue, should teachers make time amongst myriad other requirements to do this quango's job for them.

11

Lady Jane Grey,

15/07/2007 10:24:09

Pimms actualy Mercutio, and yes I think the subject should be taught in schools.

12

Helen,

15/07/2007 10:26:25

Perhaps we could start by teaching children to be polite and to respect the people around them. We could teach them that it's actually ok to be bored from time to time and that they shouldn't have to be entertained 24/7. We could teach them that they do make mistakes occasionally and that their parents' opinion of their ability to do no wrong is somewhat jaundiced and subjective to say the least....
Then when they've learned to do basic arithmetic without a calculator and learned to construct a sentence using real words and not the ones they put into text messages....then, maybe then we could start teaching them about consumer rights. However, there's a lot more they could do with learning about in the meantime.

13

nell from falkirk,

15/07/2007 10:38:05

#7 Mercutio - I don't disagree with you that children should learn about their responsibilities, though perhaps that should more be a parents' job than that of a teacher.
Parents quite often don't know much of consumer rights themselves, so aren't able to pass on this knowledge, which is why I believe this would, in general, be a good idea.

As to the comments on finding time for it; well, it isn't a huge subject, the general principles would probably only take a couple of hours in total.

And yes, this move wouldn't help old people now, but it would prevent the current generation being similarly disadvantaged when they too become old.
Maybe sending speakers to old folks' groups/clubs to give talks would help, but a lot of the time with the elderly they just don't have the confidence to confront often fairly aggressive sales assistants/shopkeepers.

14

albanman,

Edinburgh 15/07/2007 11:00:39

I've been a teacher since 1979, and have been involved in PSE classes for several years. I am extremely lucky that, after all this time, I still (mostly) enjoy my profession.

PSE covers a vast area, perhaps too wide to be done properly and effectively. I can see the value in having students know their consumer rights, as it is too easy to find oneself being fobbed off by customer assistants, especially if a person is young.

However, having said this, there is a crucial part of life which (to me) is being neglected in PSE: we all live in a community of some sorts, and this involves not only rights but responsibilities. I sometimes feel that we teachers are being asked to deliver a great deal of the former at the expense of the latter. Yet, rights and responsibilities are not mutually exclusive.

If we are to truly educate our youngsters in the importance of promoting a society which is both harmonious and fair, they will need to understand that it is crucial to think about others as well as themselves. They deserve no less.

Yesterday, while in a restaurant, I witnessed a rare and beautiful sight: a young boy (12-13) in animated conversation with his father. Several times, the boy rose from his seat and went to his father, wrapping his arms around him. There was obviously a great deal of love, trust and respect between the two, and I hope it continues as the boy grows older. Parents are the main icons that youngsters have in their lives; teachers can do no more than help.

15

Comerscroft,

15/07/2007 11:01:08

##12## Helen

Couldn't agree with you more.

Perhaps youngsters could also be taught how to behave in public?

Something that starts from Day 1, and is the absolute responsibility of the parents. Not the schools, not the general public, not the Government, but the parents.

THEN, we, the long-suffering general public and taxpayers might, just might, want to respect the 'rights' of children more.

16

Catharine,

Winnipeg, Canada 15/07/2007 19:15:15

Helen,
great idea! the kids on this side of the ocean need the same lessons - problem is, whose going to teach the parents of these yobs those basics? How many generations do we need to go back? My parents certainly taught me good manners and social skills (I don't always heed those lessons, mind!!) I see people my own (mid 40s) age whose children I cannot stand to be in the same room with for more than 5 minutes. Now those rude and obnoxious kids are getting to child-bearing age and the problem seems to get worse. Schools cannot bear the sole responsibility for teaching our young.

17

Pilrig,

Livingston 15/07/2007 21:13:14

Does anyone actually believe in this rights bollocks ?
The powers that be bequeath us peasants the rights they think we deserve.

18

KaiPie,

15/07/2007 22:15:30

No#8- "Teaching people to stand up for their rights is not a bad thing,but there again perhaps it will put a dent in the income of the legal proffession."

Another typo, Lady Jane Grey. One too many F's in profession. Good to see the Scottish education system at work.

19

3 Spaniels,

Glasgow 15/07/2007 22:26:04

Perhaps it's time somebody with responsibility for dictating what is to be taught in schools took the time to establish what actually is taught.

Administration Intermediate 2 covers legislation affecting consumer rights:

Trade Descriptions Act 1968
Consumer Credit Act 1974
The Sale of Goods Act 1979
Consumer Protection Act 1987
The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000

Granted not covered in a lot of depth but certainly in sufficient depth to have informed consumers.

20

American,

USA 16/07/2007 05:13:35

#6-nell-And vice-versa with you.


#8-Lady Jane-Seems our school teachings & books are changing also. No disagreement about the graduating chimps either.

21

alitheg,

Bathgate 17/07/2007 10:20:58

At the school which I left 3 years ago, and which my brother still attends, they have had to drop PSE already because of the extra PE that the Executive has forced upon them. Someone's not quite thinking these things through.


 

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