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Published Date: 15 February 2009
GORDON Brown was facing a mounting political crisis last night after a high-profile defection to the Tories, looming back-bench rebellion, continuing fallout over the banking crisis and disastrous new poll findings.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that investment banker David Freud, recruited by Labour to overhaul the benefits system, will confirm today he has quit the Government to become David Cameron's shadow minister for welfare reform.

The blow came as back-bench Labour MPs vowed to block Brown's plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail, claiming the measure amounted to "political suicide".

Meanwhile, a new poll last night showed Labour support slumping seven points to just 25%, 16 points behind the Conservatives.

It rounds off a disastrous few days for Brown, who has seen two of his most trusted banking advisers forced to quit over their role in the financial crisis.

Meanwhile, ministers were forced on to the back foot yesterday to dampen fears that the new Lloyds banking group may have to be nationalised.

The speculation came after the bank announced £10bn losses on Friday, leading to a 32% slump in its share price, and a huge paper loss for taxpayers who have propped it up. The tide of bad news brings a shuddering halt to the "Brown bounce", which led to a recovery in Labour's ratings in the wake of the financial storm that has hit global markets.

The loss of Freud to the Tories will be confirmed by Cameron today. Brought into advise Labour on welfare reform by Tony Blair in 2006, the investment banker has decided to team up with the Conservatives, who are pledging to enact his reforms in full.

Freud recommended the private sector be handed contracts to get benefit claimants back to work. He also said all claimants should be assessed for their "work-readiness" and made to train in back-to-work schemes if necessary.

Freud is believed to have been impressed by the Tories' welfare plans, which are closely modelled on his report. Cameron will now nominate him for the House of Lords and he will then be made the Conservatives' shadow minister of Welfare Reform.

A senior Conservative source said: "He is going to be resigning as an adviser to (Work and Pensions Secretary] James Purnell and He will be nominated as a peer by David Cameron and, so long as that doesn't get blocked by Gordon Brown, he will then be made shadow minister of welfare reform."

The department of Work and Pensions confirmed last night that Freud had quit "with mutual consent".

Labour figures said Freud's plans were increasingly out of date and that the Tories were simply catching up with their own reforms.

Frank Field, the Labour MP who was urged to "think the unthinkable" on welfare by Tony Blair, said that Freud's departure could be used as an opportunity for Labour.

"His was a policy for full employment. It was all about getting people ready for the job market," he said

"But now that we are going to have mass unemployment, it now needs a totally different approach. The fact that he's going offers the government a new approach."

But the move will be seen as highly symbolic as one of Blair's most trusted advisers heads to the Tories. Other insiders say Freud simply "saw the way the wind was blowing" and decided to join the Tories before their expected election to Government.

That likelihood was reinforced by a ComRes poll for the Independent on Sunday, which returns Labour to the trough of unpopularity it experienced last summer.

The 16-point lead enjoyed by the Conservatives, on 41%, is the widest margin recorded by any major poll since October.

The gap is prompting Labour chiefs to warn that morale is back to the low-point of last year, when speculation that Brown would be forced out of office was rife. "If anything, it's worse now than last summer," said one senior party source.

The Government is set to face further trouble in the coming weeks as Labour MPs vow to oppose plans to sell off parts of Royal Mail.

More than 100 Labour MPs say they will not support the moves and whips have told Brown he does not have the votes to force it through. The 130 rebels say ministers will have to rely on Tory support to push the measures through, insisting they will not budge.

One leading member of the group, Scots Labour MP Michael Connarty, claimed last night that Labour would only be able to win a vote on privatisation by relying on the Conservatives. He added: "They will lose unless the Tories come in behind them, which would be unforgivable and a serious breach of trust. It would be a suicide note for us."

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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:08:03
This justifies the position that some of us took over the pseudo welfare reform that Labour claimed they were going to bring in. It was mince, we said it was mince, and indeed it was mince.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

15/02/2009 00:14:32
"Scotland on Sunday can reveal that ...."

I read about it on the Spectator website first.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:28:24
'Gone' Brown - 'The towering intellect'; The man who ended 'boom and bust' 'prudence'; 'saviour of the world'? No an arrogant, self-regarding clown wh orefuses to listen because he is right and everyone else is wrong. Well, it's all unravelling now but just how many of us are going to go down with him. Bahstud!
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:31:21
'Gone' Brown - 'The towering intellect'; The man who ended 'boom and bust' 'prudence'; 'saviour of the world'? No! An arrogant, self-regarding clown who refuses to listen because,he is right and everyone else is wrong. Well, it's all unravelling now but just how many of us are going to go down with him? Bahstud!
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LAScot,

Pasadena 15/02/2009 00:32:01
"Chancellor Alastair Darling was forced to quell growing speculation that Lloyds would now hae to be nationalised entirely."

"hae"?

Jings, the crisis is fair bringin' oot the broad Scoats side o' wir governiment.
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LAScot,

Pasadena 15/02/2009 00:36:47
Ach, whit a dafty I yam. It wiz the Scoatsman's Eddie Barnes that wiz slippin' intae the Doric. Sorry, Mr Darling. Ye can gang get back tae savin' the country.
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Resolutions,

15/02/2009 00:36:59
This bloke is a 'banker'!

Guess he thought there was a better bonus on the other side.

Seems none of them are 'honest' any more - mind you most seem unqualified for the positions they managed to acquire.

Is this another one?
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Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

15/02/2009 00:39:27
The jokers have been employing antipodean work directions for at least two years.

JCP is not about jobs. It's about benefits.

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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

15/02/2009 00:42:15
Hang on a cotton pickin' moment. Where's Rufus T Wolfbag?

He's normally first to defend the indefensible with his witty and succinct diversions.

Does someone have him manacled in a basement wearing a nappy and matching ballgag?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 15/02/2009 00:45:34
Roll on the REFERENDUM and get rid of the unionist buffoons. I wonder if Gordon Brown will have the gall to come back home to SCOTLAND to live after he gets kicked out of office. After what he has done to us I DO NOT THINK SO. London you can have him.........
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keystone,

Wisconsin USA 15/02/2009 00:50:00
When one is on a boat with a FOOL for a captain, if one can leave that boat before the fool puts it on the bottom then will, if one is sane. Mr. Brown is the fool who is quickly taking the ship of state that is the U.K. to the bottom, and Mr. Freud is a very wise man to exit Browns doomed craft while there is still time to save both himself and his reputation for being something other than one who suffers fools gladly.
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Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

15/02/2009 00:50:02
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/latestnews/Darling-rejected-MSP39s-concerns-over.4982017.jp

webwise got in before Groucho (FTO until 14/02/2009 22:52:28)
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Fifi la Bonbon,

15/02/2009 01:22:38
So THERE!
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Scotland Free or a desert,

Midlothian 15/02/2009 01:29:35
Goodbye Gordon

Scottish Labour is finished, long live the new Scotland

Everybody who considers voting when the next UK election happens, vote SNP, not just because they are the only party who care about Scotland but because it matters that the ordinary voter votes for a better future.

No more denial, no more lies like the facts suppressed under the 30 year rule, the future is ours

Let us live
let us propser




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Embra Don,

15/02/2009 03:11:25
Ah - an investment banker advising on welfare reform. Just about sums up New Labour. Possibly taking someone of welfare to run the banks would have worked better.
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SNP hypocrisy,

15/02/2009 03:47:09
There goes the first of the rats. Interesting that "he has quit the Government to become David Cameron's shadow minister for welfare reform..."

So let's get this straight, the job that he was clearly krap at under Labour, he will now be krap at under the Tories (assuming they win the general election, assuming they let him stand, and assuming he gets re-elected by the same people who elected him for Labour). And this is somehow an improvement?
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Boaby Dazzler,

15/02/2009 04:27:44
#21 SNP hypocrisy

"There goes the first of the rats..."

Do you know what is interesting about your comment?

The implication that you think there are more rats in the Labour Party and that your beloved Party is actually a sinking ship.

I actually agree with you on both counts.

Pray tell, who in your opinion are the other rats infesting the sinking Labour Party...
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Greens,

15/02/2009 07:40:22
25% of the population still back Labour? Amazing!
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Ugly George,

15/02/2009 07:47:55
#23

Interesting fellow, Lord Carter.

His Wiki-career history looks like it was made up by "Ayrshire Scot", or one of his other Monikers.

Alas it is all true, there's Gordon Brown's British Constitution for you - not worth the price of the paper it is printed on.

Probably The back of an LBG or an NTL share certificate.

I weep for my country.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 07:54:20
It is to their utter shame that neither the Scotsman nor Scotland on Sunday could find any space to cover the information unearthed by the Times which shows the lengths to which the Whitehall would go to promote their interests over Scotland's on the subject of North Sea Oil.

If it isn't a naked political bias I wonder what it is?
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FTH22inarow,

15/02/2009 07:59:00
The rats are leaving the sinking ship, and there are no bigger rats than tories.Mind you this lot are much the same
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 15/02/2009 08:05:47
Please please Gordon stay - don't go until the very last legal day for an election. I don't just want to see Labour lose I want to see it utterly destroyed as a political party and you are the man for the job.
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Anne,

Eaglesham 15/02/2009 08:19:40
Ubi#26 - and not only their newspapers, but also STV is ignoring the North sea Oil "tingo".
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Ugly George,

15/02/2009 08:22:09
#23 Col. Blimp­IV*

I'm not altogether opposed to "Workfare".

We are still crippled by the fall-out from the last time Labour bankrupted Britain.

There are hoards of 40 - 50 somethings who became accustomed to living on an over-generous[for long-term players] Dole and they spawned, a generation of spongers, who regard "playing the system" as their "employment".

We cannot afford to enter this coming recession, carrying the dead weight baggage of the Wilson/Callahan era.

A voucher based Unemployment Benefit topped up, only by State directed productive employment[except in cases of genuine disablement].

Would to me seem the best way forward.
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tartan army 2222,

15/02/2009 09:04:40
It's all beginning to implode, and it's likely Pa Broon won't be going to the polls until next year - giving even more time for the collapse of his party.

In Canada in 1993 the unpopular party in power went from 151 seats to 2 seats at the election. Don't think it will be quite as bad here but it does look bad for Labour. They've only themselves to blame.
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Wardog™,

15/02/2009 09:08:29


Isn't is wonderful how easily people seem to cross from labour to Conservative and previously vice versa. Is it because there isn't a credit card between them?
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Phil C,

15/02/2009 09:13:42
It seems that even some thick-skinned Labourites are finally waking up to the fact that their 'party' representatives have again been shown up as a bunch of brainless eejits when given power.

Labour dishonesty, incompetence, cheating & lying all go hand in hand. Never to vote again for Labour I hope they say. Not in Scotland, not anywhere.
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Johnnyf,

Scotland 15/02/2009 09:15:06
#12 - Well, I reckon yooz Guys know all about the Captain being a fool, when have you had other? Present Skipper I fear is no different, an American intellectual is probably a Foundation pass at Standard Gradeish standards. Don't they teach History in the mighty US. Mind you, judging by the majority of comments here, it's obviously a forgotten subject here as well. Does anyone remember what it was actually like living with the last Tory government? Just watch Geo Osbourne in the Commons footage when he is not actively engaged in the debate, Autistic Spectrum or what? I wouldn't give him £1 to go and buy me a daily newspaper let alone run the countries economy. Good luck with your new recruit, Tory party, bankers = *ankers.
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Boy Wonder,

15/02/2009 09:34:26
For any member of a Labour Govt to defect to the Tories (of all parties) shows just how close these two parties have become in outlook ... and how much Labour has betrayed its supporters and origins!

I will not vote Labour in the near future ... and you couldn't pay me enough to vote for a Tory EVER!!!

Some of us have long memories!
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Johnnyf,

Scotland 15/02/2009 09:55:12
#36 I'm sorry to hear your comments.
I do not agree with all we've been served up under the guise of a Labour government but as someone said recently "The Tories will not win the next election, Labour will lose it". We've got to stop this country from being run by what is potentially the most cynical, non-caring, clueless, "say whatever may get us elected" bunch of Old Etonian hoodlums masquerading as the Tory Party. At least, in the old days you knew what the Tories were about, now they don't even know.How can a soon to be inherited Baron of the realm(When the old man dies)married to a baron's daughter be remotely interested in how your pocket is affected by his financial policy (or lack of)? Scary scenario or what?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 09:55:18
Fifi 14/15 ?????????????

36 Precisely, the Tories are the pits.
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TWC,

15/02/2009 09:57:30
36 Boy Wonder,
Shows just how bad Labour have become, as one poster said the first rat, so all the rats will soon desert this sinking ship.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:01:13
37 It was me who said that the Tories won't win the next election Labour will lose it. And the Tories are worse than Labour could ever be, I am not in doubt about that. But although we in Scotland won't vote Tory we'll still get 'em because we don't have the numbers to match the English electorate who actually quite like the Tories, hence Labour's impression of them for the past going-on twelve years. We need to vote for ourselves. That means not voting for either of them and putting Scotland first.
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15/02/2009 10:22:01
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JaE_in_Oz,

15/02/2009 11:07:25
Prostitutes whether of the sexual or political persuasion have always been on sale to the highest bidder.
What is new?
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Munguin,

15/02/2009 11:15:56
Who told Tony Blair that a Mercant Banker would know anything about living on welfare and welfare reform? Lets face it they don't know very much about banking do they!

The Tories are welcome to him. Lets hope that he is as much of a liablity to them as he was to Labour and banking in general.

His insane ultra right wing reforms are much better off in the nasty party where they belong. And it's so good to see them ahead in the polls (in England). I sincerely hope they win a resounding majority in England and attempt to push through this latter day Attilla the Hu*'s (you will have to guess at this words as the Scotsman's computer wont let me use it) reforms here in Scotland. Then roll on independence!
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NayLabour2,

glasgow 15/02/2009 11:22:08
33 Wardog - Exactly, and that is the point - there is no ideoligical difference between them, which is why it is so easy for voters in England to change thier vote, and even MP's to change sides! Clearly they have very short memories and want the tories back. in Scotand however we have an alternative, and if you are an SNP hater please remember in an indedendant scotland we will have more thatn one party! so if you really still want to vote labour, they will still be around in some form assuming they dont all move south. interesting dilema for them really. in they end they are scottish MSP's serving the scottish people.
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jenny,

inveresk village 15/02/2009 11:26:23
In true Scotsman style, what you have not mentioned is that according to this poll the Libdems are the ones who are benefitting and are only 2 points short of Labour!
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 11:27:51
#44 For a “Scottish” newspaper to suppress a story which, with clear evidence, shows how the English conspired to ensure Scotland’s disadvantage is almost beyond belief.

Almost. Because treachery of this type runs in a yellow thread through Scotland’s history. Scots nobility regularly sided with the English against their own people.

Should this title be renamed The Englishman?
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Johnnyf,

15/02/2009 11:28:51
~45 Almost correct Thatcher's government created the 4th class or underclass.
As an angry young man in the late 1970's I argued very forcibly that we were creating such an underclass in Britain. Staunch Labour supporting Trade Unionists were prepared to let 3 million people rot on the dole while they worked their regular two nights and a double(sometimes triple time)Sunday overtime all for the sake of a golfing holiday in the Algarve or whatever. I wish that I'd written a projection of 21st century Britain then but people probably wouldn't have believed it. Thatcher created our present day "Me" society by fostering greed and is probably the root cause for our present bankruptcy through over stretched credit.
Why is Afghani heroin flooding our streets while we are losing our soldiers there and overspending our budget?
To finish a quote from the great woman herself:-
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987

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Conan the Librarian™,

15/02/2009 11:37:57
Freud slips it to Broon.

(Between the shoulder blades, that is.)
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fegan,

N/Ireland 15/02/2009 11:41:30
Freud, is just an opportunist who wants to be a Lord and get on the gravy train in the Lords like so many others. Remember don't Trust a Lord or a SIR as there Reputations as of late have not been exemplary
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tartan army 2222,

15/02/2009 11:41:41
50 jenny

So true. Had to check this earlier myself. Also, the independent poll was not the only one this weekend. It is backed up by ones in the Times in Sunday.

Btw nice wee village you're in there.
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Munguin,

15/02/2009 11:48:31
Lets hope it wont be long before that other arch-tory in the Labour pary, Jim Purnell, also defects to the nasty party. So nice to see his scheme for the long term sick and unemployed coming apart at the seams. No private companies want to bid for it! I wonder why? Is that becauase there are so many more short term unemployed people now than when Freud and Parnell came up with this nonsenese.
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jenny,

inveresk village 15/02/2009 11:48:56
Hi 55! Nice day oot here - and the future might just have a tinge of dayglo yellow round it!
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James.com,

15/02/2009 11:55:07
Too much to hope that the voters might get a say in any of this I suppose?
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tartan army 2222,

15/02/2009 11:56:43
Jenny

I'm just a few miles away. Tis indeed a nice day.
Murray failed down your way. All you need to do now is get rid of the muppet Picking.
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Boswall,

15/02/2009 11:58:21
Rats jumping from the good ship Labour because they've effed up the economy

Rats jumping from the good ship SNP because of they've run out of manifesto promises to break

Welcome to the Conservatives folks :)
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Mcavity1uk,

Stirling 15/02/2009 11:59:55
Re 11: "I wonder if Gordon Brown will have the gall to come back home to SCOTLAND to live after he gets kicked out of office."
Gordon Brown has already bought a house in south-west France to retire to. Arrangements are currently being made for security etc.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:01:04
Meanwhile, as Britain falls apart:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/norways-central-bank-to-invest-sovereign-fund-in-uk-and-us-1622144.html

Norway's central bank to invest sovereign fund in UK and US

Norges is likely to invest as a minority stakeholder in landmark buildings in both the UK and US while prices are low. If this proves successful, it will continue to invest in other markets.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:11:55
An unnamed cabinet minister was reported yesterday as saying that "no one believes we will will the next election now."

However, that brings its own problems. Knowing that they are finished, they are now engaged in implementing policies calculated only to make it as difficult as possible for the next administration. That the brunt is borne by the country is of no concern to them.

The country must be encouraged to consult history before it ever again allows itself to be conned into electing a Labour government. Every Labour administration has left office with the country's economy on its knees. And this time the project has been allowed to run its full course.

That history is likely to show Brown as the most disastrous Labour leader and Prime Minister ever - more disastrous even than Michael Foote - is of scant consolation.
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tartan army 2222,

15/02/2009 12:16:05
60 Boswall

Do you understand what minority government means? It was the Tories and Labour who stopped LIT - a policy that would have seen our pensioners saving £100 a month.

Remember, when Labour/Lib Dems were in power the SNP frequently voted with them because the socio-economic policy was similar and they wanted the Scottish Parliament to work. All we see now is Labour shouting that everything the SNP do is bad, bad, bad. They even voted against their own budget amendment rather than vote with the SNP. Until they grow up they are out in the wilderness for the forseeable future - just like the Tories. Scotland has changed - for the better.
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Johnnyf,

Scotland 15/02/2009 12:28:25
#63 Ubi
When was Michael Foot Prime Minister?
Obviously missed that one.
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Phil C,

15/02/2009 12:29:09
There are some folk on here who think that Labour are better than Tories!!!!!!!

Lord save us all!

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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 15/02/2009 12:52:15
So a flagship Labour policy was in fact drawn up by a Tory? Well, who could ever have foreseen etc?

The lack of the usual Unionist-apologist suspects on this thread is truly telling.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:54:40
#66 Fair enough, Johnnyf, that is a bit loose on second reading. By definition, you accept the rest of it.
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Boswall,

15/02/2009 12:57:35
64 Tartan Army

That's a very cynical way of putting it.

Fact was that the SNP knew that because they couldn't achieve a parliamentary majority at the polls (and given the other parties oppostion to LIT) that from day 1 the LIT was a dead pledge and yet they strung it out for nearly 2 years and decided to bury it when there was loads of other bad news kicking about.

A move truely worthy of the Labour party.

Don't blame the other parties for sticking to their manifesto pledges when the SNP are unable to manage their own.
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Calum Crubag,

15/02/2009 13:14:17
Labour - the party of bankers and Tory defectors. Why don't Labour and Tory just merge into the Brit Nat Unionist Party?

Keep the Red Flag flying!
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Phil1,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 13:30:23
64 tartan army 2222,15/02/2009 12:16:05

The one childish thing the SNP did was to punish the greens for voting no by withdrawing the proposed home insulation policy and replacing it with a cheaper means tested useless policy. So much for the SNP being the party of coalition you cllaim.They must have sat down and thought 'well teach those Green b******s a lesson

I think the nasty party are as mean spirited as the rest of them hence most people don't care a 'fig' for the whole lot of them.
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IainGlasgow,

15/02/2009 13:54:26
#26

At the end of the day it was just an idea floated by a civil cervant and even if they had tried it, it would probably fall foul of international law.
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IainGlasgow,

15/02/2009 14:00:31
#71

The Lib Dems are in favour of LIT as well even though they differ on the details. Nevertheless even if the two parties had agreed on a compromise agreement they still wouldn't have a majority in favour. It may be a different situation in 2011 though since only a miracle can stop Labour losing a significant number of seats.
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jenny,

inveresk village 15/02/2009 14:04:05
The Libdems idea of LIT is a million miles aay from the SNPs - the libdems believe that the rate should be set locally to meet local needs.
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Tris,

15/02/2009 14:09:09
#21

He was an appointed advisor to Purnell and Cameron is not proposing to get him elected. That's not the way things work in the mother of parliaments. Mr Cameron is having him ennobled, and he will sit in the House of Horrors, like most of Labour's Dept of Industry, or whatever it is called, he will when the Tories win the next election in England, become the minister for DWP.

Democracy, what democracy?

See quote forom the article:

"A senior Conservative source said: "He is going to be resigning as an adviser to (Work and Pensions Secretary] James Purnell and He will be nominated as a peer by David Cameron and, so long as that doesn't get blocked by Gordon Brown, he will then be made shadow minister of welfare reform."

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Gorach,

The Gaelic west 15/02/2009 14:15:21
30 years of lies and deception? More like 400.

They don't have Scotland's interests at heart - never have had.

Wake up Scotland.

2010

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Billiam Wallace,

15/02/2009 14:21:18
Nauseating that a defector can cross the floor, not to an obscure back bench as used to be the norm, but to a position of power and with the promise of a lardship in, very quick, due course. These peopl have obviously reached the conclusion that they have the right to do anything they please and are answerable to no-one.

When are we going to give them the message that we have had enough of their fat-cat bul*shoit and that we require a more open, accountable government that does the bidding of the people, not the other way around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njFOnXeslI&feature=related

Saor Alba
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e-sterka,

15/02/2009 14:31:30
#79

Old generation retires.
We need young blood!
As I already said. We need good leaders!
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Billiam Wallace,

15/02/2009 14:40:36
Watch this:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

and if you listen to the speecha and don't feel that much of what he says applies to the present government and the people of Britain, then I think you are delusional.

It's time Broon was carted of to the funny farm and Dufus, Smee and AM2 went too.

Saor Alba
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 15/02/2009 14:40:50
Like others I am dismayed that this "newspaper" has made no reference whatsoever to the dirty tricks used by Labour at Westminster to stop the Scots gaining control over their own resources
Where else in the world would such blatant attempts to misappropriate a nations mineral wealth be tolerated at all, never mind suppressed by the "quality" press?
Equatorial Guinea anyone ?
Where now stands the claims of impartiality and objectivity that appear in this papers masthead?
Are there not laws to prevent such consistent suppression of information key to the process of democracy?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 15/02/2009 14:41:12
it's all nice 'n easy. UKIP for the European elections and Tories for eveything else.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 15/02/2009 14:57:59
#85 No! protest properly or not at all. Buy the paper and use it to line the cat litter tray; that is real protesting.
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ecosseman,

facts not propaganda 15/02/2009 15:37:49
LETS ALL LAUGH AT LABOUR-HA HA HA HA.

WHAT A SHAMBLES THEY ARE.

A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE IN BROONS BELOVED GB,IS SURELY ON ITS WAY VERY SOON.

HE IS NOTHING NOW,NO ONE TRUSTS HIM.GET HIM OUT OF THERE. ASAP!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Richard Lionheart,

15/02/2009 16:22:16
The problem is no matter how much public debt Gordon Brown now racks up to save his own skin no one but no one in the Labour party or the Unions have the guts to tell him to go. They feel that they would be like turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 15/02/2009 17:07:16
#88 Amen.
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Finnzz,

15/02/2009 17:18:23
I see the PFI debacle has reached a new low with the entire concept now in tatters.
The idea that private enterprise would shoulder all the risks for major projects is now been demonstrated to be a complete fiction with companies now needing another 4 billion to complete their contracts.
And Labour still reckon its a good thing...

Thankfully the entire concept of PFI was binned by the SNP in Scotland.
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Ewan Randall,

15/02/2009 17:47:54
(#87) – (ecosseman) – What would you do if you were in the Labour party’s position?

Isn’t it usually said that a leadership change should take place so that the winning candidate has eighteen months left before an election?

Wouldn’t that suggest the Labour party are trying to make the best of a bad job, or damage limitation?

Have they or have they not got time to turn things around?
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Allan(handofgod137),

15/02/2009 17:54:45
#16 It's a desert!
#92 Still feeling butthurt because the gnats are running scared of the no independence vote then.


Sour Alba
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Ewan Randall,

15/02/2009 17:55:22
(#90) – (Finnzz) – Considering the projects and how they were financed, when looking at the downturn in the economy, couldn’t the costs have gone up at a similar rate if the projects had been financed from the public purse directly?
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Ewan Randall,

15/02/2009 18:14:46
(#92) – (Traquir , Alba) – Though the poll looks positive for the future, how long does it look like it would take naturally before, under these same circumstances, Scotland would pass the fifty percent mark needed for a winning vote for independence?
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danbob,

15/02/2009 20:05:58
An investment banker defecting to the tories. I bet a good number of labour MPs are glad at that. Anyway he was only an adviser. It is not a political defection. The man was a fool anyway. He thought giving contracts to private firms to get unemployed back to work was a good idea. Well the private sector has been involved for a good number of years in this. A complete failure it's been too. Although it has kept a lot of lazy advisors who do little for the unemployed in jobs.
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Russell M,

Stirling 15/02/2009 20:19:50
When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:53:49
After Mr Moore's revelations forced the resignation of the deputy chairman of the Financial Services Authority Sir James Crosby, Mr Brown told another parliamentary committee that HBOS's massive losses - estimated at more than £10 billion - were caused not by Government policy but by the bank's flawed business model.

But Mr Moore, who was head of risk at HBOS from 2002 to 2005, today told the Independent on Sunday: "The failure goes right to the heart of the system - to the internal supervisory system and right to the top of government.

"Brown must go. He cannot remain in office.

"He has presided over the biggest boom in the history of the country as well as one of the biggest busts.

"But he promised no more boom and bust. He must be held accountable for his failure to oversee the stability of the country."

Mr Moore added: "Brown presided over a policy based on excessive consumer spending based on excessive consumer credit based on massively increasing property prices, which were caused by excessively easy credit which could only ultimately lead to disaster.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:09:09
Alistair Darling, our Chancellor, who controls the nation’s purse strings while living rent-free in Downing Street, has received almost £70,000 by designating his Edinburgh family mansion as a second home.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:37:13
SHOCK AND sadness were just two of the words used by analysts and media watchers last week as Johnston Press's share priced tumbled to a level unthinkable only a few months ago. As well as a new wave of speculation about the future of the Scotsman titles, mutters of "there but for the grace of God " reverberated in some sectors of Scotland's troubled media sector.

When markets opened last Monday, the share price had already broken the psychologically important 10p barrier. If outgoing Johnston Press chief executive Tim Bowdler - to be replaced by fellow newspaper publisher Archant's chief executive John Fry in January - hoped that the pain had peaked, he was mistaken.

In the words of Panmure analyst Alex DeGroote, the share price "absolutely crated", falling almost 20% last Tuesday, and ending the week at 7.15p, after hitting a low of 6.5p. This means that the City now values the company at only £45.8 million. Johnston paid £180m for the three Scotsman titles alone in 2006 when the share price was 454p.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:37:37
Johnston's woes have reignited the long-running debate on the future of the The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday and the Edinburgh Evening News. Although Bowdler has refused to comment on speculation the titles are for sale, analysts say that only by selling titles can the company improve its "perilous" position. The market is deeply worried by the company's £465m debt and the fact the company must refinance that debt before 2010, in the middle of the "deepest recession we have seen for a long time", when banks are unwilling or unable to lend.

The Scotsman papers are widely seen as the most likely to be sold first because they fit the least well with Johnston's two century-old "life is local" business mantra, and the brands still carry a value well in excess of the price tag now being attached to them by the City. But sources say the problem for Bowdler is that nobody - at least for the moment - will put in an acceptable offer. Even if such an offer was to be forthcoming, it is unlikely that anything will happen until Fry takes up his post in January.

One former newspaper executive, who has worked for the Edinburgh titles in the past, claims to have been approached for information and advice by two business representatives interested in the titles. He says the falling share price has turned the pursuit of the Scotsman papers into a nerve-stretching poker game. With Johnston ostensibly trapped by circumstances into the position of forced seller, potential buyers are playing it long.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:39:08
The SNP government is said to be trying to find a bidder for the papers and rumours have circulated in political circles that bus tycoon Brian Souter looked at the company's books before deciding to walk away. Bowdler told the Sunday Herald that the Souter story was "utterly untrue", and a spokesman for the flamboyant Stagecoach boss has also denied the claim. Other senior newspaper figures suggest it would be unlikely that Johnston would open the books for anyone without a firm offer on the table.

But the bad news doesn't end with the share price. The latest figures on web traffic show that The Scotsman's site attracts around two million unique users a month. According to former Scotsman.com editor Stewart Kirkpatrick, that is a staggering two million fewer users than the site attracted in 2007. The paper has been widely criticised for scrapping an earlier template for the website and replacing it with a standard Johnston Press site which many users have found to be inferior and more difficult to navigate.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:45:17
Mr Brown sounded similarly unconvincing in dismissing the allegations of Paul Moore, former head of risk at HBOS, as lacking in substance. Regardless of the precise circumstances surrounding the whistleblower's dismissal, it is now recognised that his contention that the bank was growing too fast was right on the money. The Prime Minister's argument that it was "a faulty business model" that brought down the bank is simply another way of putting it. Besides, it has now emerged that the FSA did warn HBOS about its high-risk strategy in both 2002 and 2006 but failed to follow through.

A Fawlty business model?
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:52:59
Basil Brown
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Billiam Wallace,

15/02/2009 23:58:15
#109 Oh, that Basil. I thought you were alluding to the fox called Basil. If it were he, you would have to change his catch phrase to "Bust-Bust!"
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zigzag,

Tecumseh 16/02/2009 05:59:46
I have it on good insider info that Gordo Broon is going to defect to the Tories as well.
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John1,

Stirling 16/02/2009 12:26:07
"One leading member of the group, Scots Labour MP Michael Connarty, ..." Leading? Good grief! What can the rest of them be like? Don't answer that. This is a family paper. I remember Connarty as a 'leading' member of the Labour administration of Stirling Council, which is enough to put anyone off their feed.

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"Does anyone remember what it was actually like living with the last Tory government? "
Yes, I do. Please bring those times back asap.
I also remember the last several Labour governments, which is why I am not surprised at the state of the nation now.
52 Nice to see the lady's 'society' statement in full, instead of selectively misquoted. Thanks to Col. BlimpIV* at 74 for pointing this out.

63 Ubi
"Every Labour administration has left office with the country's economy on its knees." Got it in 0ne! Unfortunately, history is no longer part of our 'education' system. People forget, or are too young to remember. Conservative supporters who have been voting tactically for the last few years should get ready to vote Tory again. The Conservatives have their faults but are beginning to head back the right way.

Usual blether from the separatists. I support the 40% rule. A major constitutional change such as separating Scotland from the rest of the UK, with or without Orkney and Shetland, requires more than a simple majority of those voting. I remember the gross gerrymandering used to ensure the 'success' of establishing Follyrood.


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FTH22inarow,

03/05/2009 08:55:11
Surprise Surprise, this fifth columnest character should not have been in the Labour Party in the first place

 

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