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Published Date:
29 April 2007
DAVID Cameron is a more reliable "saviour" of the Union than Chancellor Gordon Brown, according to a new poll today.
Only days after findings suggested voters wanted Cameron rather than Brown in Downing Street, it has now emerged that the Tory leader would have a better chance of halting Scotland's slide towards independence.

New research revealed in Scotland o
n Sunday today shows that almost a quarter of his own Labour voters would be more likely to support independence if, as expected, Brown succeeds Tony Blair as Prime Minister. But the survey, commissioned by the think-tank ThinkScotland showed only 19% of Labour voters would be more likely to support a break-up of the United Kingdom if Cameron was installed in 10 Downing Street.

Experts last night claimed the results, on the eve of the showdown with the SNP in the Scottish Parliamentary elections, reinforced warnings that the drive towards independence was fuelled by hostility towards the Labour government at Westminster. But they also claimed that the apparent dissatisfaction with Brown proved his "Anglification" strategy, attempting to widen his appeal beyond Scotland, had backfired disastrously.

"What these results show is not so much Scotland's attitude towards independence as their views on Gordon Brown," said Matt Qvortrup, a polling expert at the Robert Gordon University. "All the 'Britishness' stuff hasn't worked in England, where he's still seen as more Scottish than English. But the irony is that Scotland now sees him as more English than anything else."

Brown conceded yesterday that a poll drubbing for Labour this week would reflect badly on him as well as Prime Minister Tony Blair - saying people "will be voting on all of us".

The new poll, carried out by CommunicateResearch over two days last week, challenges a series of common perceptions about the four-way battle for Holyrood.

The findings suggest that the debate over whether Scotland should strike out on her own remains finely balanced, with two equally large groups supporting or opposing independence. A total of 38% of more than 1,000 people surveyed said they backed independence, while 37% opposed it.

However, a remarkable 35% of Labour supporters said they backed independence and one out of five Tories followed suit - almost half of them 'strongly supporting' a divorce from the rest of the UK.



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1

eric the viking,

PTDOUG...East Kilbride...bye bye Mr Kerr 28/04/2007 23:18:06

BREAKING NEWS....

SUNDAY HERALD COMES OUT FOR THE SNP


http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.1362...

This is a true sea change in the Scottish political landscape.

2

Boyce,

Edinburgh 28/04/2007 23:26:11

Cameron better than Brown to save the Union.

They would have a better chance of saving the Union if they could employ the ghost of William Wallace.

3

Alex Young Laird of Drumchapel,

Madrid 28/04/2007 23:36:56

Bizarre journalistic fantasy-land. Scotland has moved on. Catch up or lose what's left of your readers.

4

Dod fae Orkney,

North Sea 28/04/2007 23:51:17

Camerooon or Brooon? Both to$$ers with no chance of saving anything.

Get out on Thursday and vote SNP twice and send a real message to them both.

5

Bill, Dunblane,

28/04/2007 23:54:57

Ah, Scotsman.

You had the chance, you could have had the support, but you blew it, you just didn't listen to your constituency, you didn't have the guts, and now you're too late.

All government advertising to the Herald.

I'm buying THREE copies of the Sunday Herald today and framing their lead story. The other two to give to the two numpties in my local who will still vote labour.

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Dod fae Orkney,

North Sea 29/04/2007 00:22:47

Aye , where is AM2?? Consoling Joke maybe (or is he Joke???) We need to know


Vote SNP twice - you know it makes sense.

10

Skirvy,

Auld Reek 29/04/2007 00:32:40

Yes sure David you'll save the union while playing the anti-scottish card to the voters in England! Yeah Right you will!

He's as sleazy as Tony Blair

11

The Strategist,

29/04/2007 00:41:05

A Conservative govt at Westminster would be biggest incentive possible for Scotland to vote for independence. We have long memories.

12

Frodo the Scot,

middle earth 29/04/2007 00:45:29

The union is on "life-support" May 3rd
WE pull the plug .............vote and vote often.

13

Dod fae Orkney,

North Sea 29/04/2007 01:00:41

Just read the Sunday Herald leader. Brilliant. Sorry SOS but you have just lost a customer.

Vote SNP twice

14

gerad,

land of the free 29/04/2007 01:44:33

There will be bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover

15

buzzer,

29/04/2007 01:57:23

#5 I am framing one copy of the Sunday Herald as well and giving other copies to my neighbours who are still trying to keep the Tories out by voting Liberal. Perhaps they will have the confidence now to change their party support like i have and vote SNP. As for Cameron trying to save the Union i predict that Alex Salmond will have built up a strong Scottish economy that will be difficult to argue against in fact futile.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 29/04/2007 02:33:09

How shallow frame this weeks copy but dump last weeks because it disagreed with you

17

Peter McWilliam,

29/04/2007 06:18:09

T hey're trying to save whatever readership they have left. This newspaper ( for want of a better word) is so out of touch with reality, it's incredible! Theyv are an arrogant, pompous bunch of condescend people who should really rethink their carreers in their 'Profession".

18

Mike1,

Midlands 29/04/2007 06:34:21

Brown has been rumbled in Scotland as well as England and I guess Blair knows it.

19

eric,

Lothian 29/04/2007 07:24:28

Just save yourselves F the union its Dead anyway

20

Conan,

Here 29/04/2007 07:25:16

The union is past saving; right along with rest of the former British Empire; its time to move on people. Move on to an INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND that you can all tell your children, your grandchildren and your great grandchildren that you had a part in creating. Let's get to it and no more of this 'union' talk - the 'union' is dead. Thank God!

21

Pete39,

Tassy 29/04/2007 07:45:52

About the only thing wrong with the Union is the London establishment. Personally I would form five states, self governing, Scotland,N. Ireland, Ireland, Wales and England. Shared resources, capital state the Isle of Man, but only if you could get a lease and they brought back flogging for minor delinquency and rorting. Would it work, I should not think so, but what the hell it is par for my course.

22

Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 29/04/2007 08:01:54

I find the headline ironic considering the paradoxical stance of the indigenous Conservative Party? During its 17 years at the old Scottish Office the indigenous Tory administration slavishly attempted to enact Thatcher's anti-Scottish policies to the letter!? The Vichy Tories could not have done more in their attempt to inflict iniquitous and undemocratic government on their own people! To this day the indigenous Tories are still in denial about their failure to recognise that Scotland is a nation, and not part of their perceived and antediluvian view of empirical 'North Britain'! However, this right-wing conundrum, frequently referred to as a political pariah, was utterly defeated because a whole spectrum of Scots totally rejected its stated philosophy of "there is no such thing as society"! Indeed, with the epoch-making Scottish Parliament Elections approaching, history might well record that the actions of the indigenous Conservative Party, and not the Nationalists, were responsible for driving the Scots people into an independent sovereign state? Lachie Todd

23

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose NOW the cat gets fed It's Time 29/04/2007 08:17:51

I liked the Private Eye 'lookalikes' a while back which compared side by side photos of David Cameron and Mr Data the android from Star Trek. It was uncanny!

24

Boy Wonder,

29/04/2007 08:30:18

#23. No no no no no!!! Data has WAY more personality than Cameron. Plus he ain't sleazy and he doesn't lie - well, not like Cameron!!! And he looks better!!! I know!! Vote DATA!!!!

Any fool who votes Tory thinking that Cameron is a better deal than Blair or Brown OR Alex Salmond is seriouslt deluded!!!

Can't remember who said it, but I believe it - the only good Tory is one that's in a coffin and buried under six feet of soil!!!

They won't save the Union. They're trying to save their own skins. How can people so quickly forget their 18 years in power and the mess they put this country's infrastructure in, because of no investment. All they did was to line their own pockets! THEY are the enemy!!!

Rant over!!!

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Salt Horse,

My Hoose, Napoli 29/04/2007 08:35:52

Cameron hasn't a hope in hell, he may have a Clan surname but that's all he's got in common with Scotland!

As for Broon, I think Paw Broon from the Sunday Post could do better.

SAOR ALBA

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toryheaven.blogspot.com,

Edinburgh 29/04/2007 08:42:06

"Cameron is a more reliable "saviour" of the Union than Chancellor Gordon Brown" - well, duh! It wasn't Cameron who approved wholeheartedly of the devolutionary mess that has savaged the Union.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 29/04/2007 09:09:24

One of the recent benefits of being associated with the union is our wee countries contribution to a "safer" world - evidence here:
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html

28

megz,

Glasgow 29/04/2007 09:30:36

Its time to stop being a colony, think it was best said in trainspotting lol. We are just a commodity to england, the only reason blair has been so invloved in our elections is to ensure his party's power in england. Its time for people to wake up and put ourseleves first. Vote for scotland vote SNP.

29

Geoff,

South Africa 29/04/2007 10:14:48

Good Day all-28 megz-Whatever ones view on independence, it is sheer nonsense to suggest that Scotland is a colony of England. The trainspotting type angst is perhaps the worst form of this self pittying,blame-the- english for all our woes kind of Scottish Nationalism. And if the main character in "Trainspotting" is your role model for Scotland, then God help an Independent Scotland!
On the main topic, a question that intrigues me-what percentage of the SNP vote is in favour of independence and what portion is a protest vote against Labour? The anecdotal evidence is that a large proportion is for the latter. Certainly the stats on overall opinion on independence must mean that a large portion of SNP support is actually closet Unionist!!!!

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megz,

Glasgow 29/04/2007 10:58:42

Trainspotting is not my role model for scotland, i don't blame the english, we as a nation have allowed ourselves to be colonised by them it is time to get some national pride and govern ourselves.

31

JH,

dundee 29/04/2007 11:28:29

you're having a laugh surely.

btw head over to the guardian and read this article
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,2068025,...

or anything from today's herald for the true picture of what's happening.

this lot have lost the plot completely and will have readers haemorrhaging away after thursday if they continue to fail to reflect the reality of scottish political life.

this reads like an alice in wonderland for the 21st century.

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John Sutherland,

Edinburgh 29/04/2007 11:53:56

David Cameron and the Tories, best placed to save the Union?

I find that a bit of a joke, considering the previous 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major, which led to a lot of neglect in Scotland as well as the strength of feeling being generated amongst the Scottish voters, which led to the current devolution setup in the first place.

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Dan McLean,

E Lothian 29/04/2007 12:09:54
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Merouane,

Edinburgh 29/04/2007 13:56:56

"However, a remarkable 35% of Labour supporters said they backed independence and one out of five Tories followed suit - almost half of them 'strongly supporting' a divorce from the rest of the UK."

What kind of language is this? In today's editorial you say that the SoS is not anti-independence. Yet here you refer to independence as 'divorce from the rest of the UK'. You might have come to the right conclusion that Labour's time is up, but don't pretend that the SoS is not a Unionist paper or that you will not continue to view the Scottish political scene from a Unionist perspective.

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Greig in Aus,

about to be in a better place 29/04/2007 14:56:01

Labour stoops to new low
Election fraud uncovered, and reported to police
London times article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1719968.ece

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IainGlasgow,

29/04/2007 15:48:28

"However, a remarkable 35% of Labour supporters said they backed independence and one out of five Tories followed suit - almost half of them 'strongly supporting' a divorce from the rest of the UK."

That's precisely why the unionist parties oppose a referendum. If you add a third of labour voters, a fifth of tory voters and probably an equal proportion of lib dem voters to the tally of those who typically vote for pro-independence parties you probably have somewhere around 55% of the electorate.

Of course the key is in the third of voters who probably don't mind either way about independence and the performance of a Salmond led executive would be critical in determining how they would vote in a referendum. A successful administration would probably win their support. An administration dogged with problems could shift the blame onto Westminster.

38

Yada,

29/04/2007 15:49:54

Amazing!
Somebody carries out a poll; you don't like the result so you have a go at the paper that printed it.
My main complaint about the Scotsman is that it lets a bunch of retards loose to rattle their brain cell in public.

39

JuanKerr,

edimbra.... 29/04/2007 17:17:40

THE PARTY PUNCH UPS AND FRAYED NERVES HAVE BEGUN IN JOKE HQ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6600000/newsid_66...

CAMERON! FULL OF SH*TE - OPPORTUNIST OF UTMOST ORDER.

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JuanKerr,

edimbra.... 29/04/2007 17:26:26

#33 - I watched your video. The parts you forgot about your party in that video was the deportations, killings, and divided society we would live in if your BNP filth got in.

I am not friend of labour. But your party is a seeting hate filled gaggle of biggots only allowed to exist due to the democracy and diversity you would ultimately like to destroy!

Should nick Griffin not have appeared in the NAZI uniform? I am sure he has one in his cupboard! Saving it for if he becomes PM LOL!

41

J M Milligan,

Scot/USA 29/04/2007 17:32:28

This isn't only about the Union...It's about a man who Raped our country, betrayed our trust, decimated our Regiments and, laughed while he was doing it.

You can only kick a nation for so long before it kicks back.
If a vote for Independence is succesful then we will learn by B-liar's mistakes... and that includes the people coming first, self Glory.....WAAAAAY down the ladder.

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J M Milligan,

Scot/USA 29/04/2007 17:43:10

There is one other thing....For a Scotsman to turn his own fellow Scots against him speaks volumes..we are a Loyal Nation usually...B-liar and his party took that loyalty and destroyed it.

A loyal nation we are but.....we do not forgive easily.
So stay south of the Border with your motley crew Tony...we don't want you back.

43

First Minister,

Bute House 29/04/2007 18:27:34

Lord Grant That Marshall Wade
Made By Thy Mighty Aid
Victory Bring
May He Sedition Crush
And Like A Torrent Rush
Rebellious Scots To Crush.

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The Bias Police,

Houston, Texas 29/04/2007 20:07:45

The Bias Police have marked this article as biased.
"...it has now emerged that the Tory leader would have a better chance of halting Scotland's slide towards independence".

The utilisation of the expression "halting Scotland's slide towards independence" is clearly indicative of bias. Note in particular the use of the word "slide".

The author could have restated as follows:-

"The leader of the discredited Tory Party, which suffered a whitewash at the hands of the Scottish Electorate in 1997, has indicated that he wishes to intervene and prevent the progression of Scotland to its status as a dynamic independent nation."

45

Greig in Aus,

29/04/2007 22:24:38

Labour stoops to new low
Election fraud uncovered, and reported to police
London times article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1719968.ece


 

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