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Published Date: 22 July 2007
TONY Blair is to be quizzed by MPs over allegations peerages were offered in return for donations to political parties, in a clear sign the "cash for honours" saga will rumble on.
Senior members of the influential Commons committee running its own inquiry into the affair have confirmed they will call the former Prime Minister for questioning.

And the Scotland Yard detective who led the 16-month criminal inquiry into the ca
se appears reluctant to back down, despite the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) not to press charges.

A government source said Assistant Commissioner John Yates wanted to "spill his guts" over the affair, and intended to "name and shame" witnesses, some of whom he believes were uncooperative.

The pressure on Blair increased last night as First Minister Alex Salmond entered the row, accusing the former Prime Minister of being "in denial" over the affair.

The developments appear to quash hopes in Labour circles that last week's decision by the CPS to drop the case would bring an end to the highly-damaging affair.

Blair now faces a more searching public appraisal of his role in the award of honours when he is summoned before the Public Administration Committee.

The committee, which has already grilled Labour's chief fundraiser Lord Levy, suspended its inquiry into "propriety and honours" after Yates asked them to hold off until he had completed his own investigation. They now plan to reactivate the probe immediately.

One committee member said: "There is a prima facie case for him [Blair] to appear - given his intimate involvement in the honours system recently and the changes he made to it to it."

Scotland Yard is privately believed to be disappointed at the cautious attitude of the CPS, with some senior Metropolitan Police figures accusing it of lacking the courage to support a prosecution in such high-profile circumstances.

"The [PAC] inquiry is the best chance Yates has left of putting his case in public," one committee member said last night.

Yates' team is believed to have recommended that at least three people should be charged under a 1925 law preventing the sale of honours, or for perverting the course of justice.

"He believes that, at the very least, there was a case to answer over the laxity in the operation of the rules," a government source added.

Blair welcomed the decision of the CPS on Friday, and claimed that the entire affair had been the result of an "invidious" complaint by the SNP. The affair was sparked after Scottish National Party MP Angus MacNeil wrote to the Metropolitan Police asking them to investigate whether any laws had been broken.

Blair's claim provoked the first comment from First Minister Alex Salmond yesterday. The SNP leader claimed Blair was "in denial about his role and his own downfall".

He said: "There is hardly a single person in the palace of Westminster who would not freely concede that throughout the London-based parties, there has been a political culture which allowed a relationship between financial donations and nominations for honours.

"That is unacceptable and one of the results of this police inquiry and the Commons investigations that will follow is that it will now come to an end. That progress alone is well worth the discomfiture of the former Prime Minister."

However, Labour peer Lord Foulkes said: "This was a vexatious complaint by the SNP and the way they are now pursuing it smacks of a vendetta."



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1

Zoob Muncher,

Scotland 21/07/2007 23:27:54

How can pursuit of proof of the truth be considered a vendetta????

2

'Hezza,

21/07/2007 23:37:54

Umm, no way on earth Blair will be caught for anything, so this is hot air/waste of time/costing us money.

What a waste of Blair's time as well. If Yates of the Yard found nothing, then let sleeping dogs 'lie'.

3

frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/07/2007 23:39:12

1 coincidence = a posibility.
2 related coincidences = a probability.
3 or more coincidences = a proven certainty.

AM2, I stand by what I assert, regardless of your literalism.

You are an undisguised apology for the Union and, I wonder how long you will continue to make excuses for this entity.

4

frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/07/2007 23:41:23

#2, Hezza.

What did he not FIND? Are we not allowed to know?

5

Senga Jean,

scotland 21/07/2007 23:42:47

Terrible journalism all round the town today. Poor Alex Salmond is being blamed for world terrorism in another SOS story. Ged a LIFE ...SOS

6

frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/07/2007 23:43:55

#3

Line 3:

"....... related coincidences.....".

Sorry, it's a bit late but I'm trying to keep up with AM2.

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Colin B,

Bearsden 21/07/2007 23:52:07

The K and big Ps evidence has still not been fully explained as not being enough for a prosecution.

Will CPS and Police being prosecuted for wasting police time thats what I want to know? Not the first time the CPS has got it wrong as the De Menezes family know, and the famility of Stephen Lawrence , Sion Jenkins, Damiloa Taylor and countless other miscarriages

Don't know how Ken MacDonald got a Knighthood - amazing coincidence he was a workmate of Cherie Blair incidentally - maybe it was for services to flirtatious women - ooops sorry Ken had to out that affair.

Blair's been lying to the Commons for 22 years so will anything new come out?

8

frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/07/2007 23:52:31

#5, Senga Jane.

Lord Foulkes has no standing, full stop.

The tone of the article to which you refer is abominable. However, it is typical of the SOS to prevent comments on its propaganda.

Our esteemed academic, quoted, is working very hard to achieve a name for himself. He will have to work a lot harder.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 00:32:57

#10, AM2.

Your quoted site: unadulterated labourist, not to say Stalinist-type propoganda. And you! of Tory leanings!!!!

10

frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 00:59:31

AM2.

When you make any sort of defence for your adopted positions, maybe you will be taken seriously.

Like your inestimable self, I can quote the article but, as in general, the quotes are unattributable, unlike yourself I will refrain as, it is self-serving.

However, your postings reflect your poor grasp of the realities of modern politics, in Scotland, which have moved on from the belief of "we cannae". It has moved on to "maybe we can" and for a great many "of course we can".
I fervently hope that you continue to expouse your viewpoint, as it is a gift to those of us who wish to see an Independent, vibrant, internationalist Scotland.

You are a prime example of what Scotland was and, as such, a wonderful example to those who would have something better.

11

walter,

22/07/2007 00:59:49

WOW frank mcbride is good he posts on 3,4 and 6 then states in 6 he is trying to keep up with AM2 who does not post until 8.
Must be clairvoyant

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Mrs. Trellis,

Devon 22/07/2007 01:06:26

#9. AM2, Glasgow
What a strange comment to make, and I quote...
"The SNP’s and its activists’ obvious zeal to keep this issue alive in any way possible makes plain the political
motivation of these allegations".
So you really think it is all right to bribe people with the promise of a title, to give one political party a financial advantage over other parties?
AND It's all right to accept £1 million, again for your own political party, from the boss of F1 Motor Racing..While at the same time giving his company a 'opt out' of the Law with regard to Tobacco advertising?
AND it's all right for the Prime Minister to allow a old friend, and someone who also donated money to 'the Party', and had also been honoured with a Peerage, AND that he (the Prime Minister) had also allowed him continue with the job of legally deciding whether he, the Prime Minister, was personally guilty, (with others), of taking Cash for Honours??
Well then "AM2 in Glasgow" you are the one who is deluded or is it "politically motivated"??
Mrs.T

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:09:31

#12, AM2

Typical response.

You don't know anything about the site but, can comment, "The article itself has a fairly mainstream (small c) conservative feel.".

I'm sure that the vast majority of posters would feel, from your previous posts, that you are very well aware of the authority of your references. BUT, I may be wrong.

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INTER-nationalist,

22/07/2007 01:16:43

Frank McBride, perhaps you could have a word with the spook in leith at 15. He just dosn't deem to have the hang of this "vibrant, internationalist Scotland" you are talking about.

Oh and I really wish all these SNP folk banging on about "cash for honours" can explain why public ownership of the railways vanished from their manifesto after Brian Soutar's £500,000 donation. And why it was that Jim Mather was appointed immediately to the front bench after becoming an MSP and "lending" the SNP £200,000 which still hasn't been paid back. He's now in the Cabinet. Or why Alex Salmond is claiming more than £200,000 of taxpayers money for a job at Westminster he isn't doing? Or how much of the publicly funded trust he set up will be spent in his own constituency compared to elsewhere?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:19:22

#14, Walter.

I'll be generous and give you the benefit of the doubt.

My reference to AM2 was a reference to a previous post, on another related thread.

You will learn that he attempts to be inflamatory, refuses to respond to "hard" and then runs away.

16

INTER-nationalist,

22/07/2007 01:21:15

20 AM2

ROFLMFAO. You have the spook bang to rights. Hoist by his own petard. Trouble is he's too dense to realise it.

Hey Spook, see this quote "as Yates said " At least 3 people should be charged under the 1925 act"

Go on. Don't keep it to yourself. Let us all know where you saw or heard this quote. Please, pretty please. I'm sure everyone would like to know.

17

Richardinho,

22/07/2007 01:23:55

Sure there were no peerages sold by the Labour party. And they were going to pay off all those 'loans' they got as well!

18

frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:27:01

The Spook in Leith.

Ridicule the ridiculous by all means but, don't descend to the level of your opponents.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:32:39

#22, INTER-nationalist.

As AM2 would say, Checkyour facts before making accusations/assumptions and/or even asking questions to which you don't know the answers.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:36:12

#32, AM2.

You are excelling yourself, tonight, with your evasion.

21

tasty,

22/07/2007 01:48:53

AM2

The mass is ended, go in peace.

For other folks try Guido Fawkes www.order-order.com and sign the pledge to launch a private prosecution, won't cost anything.

Amen AM2, go and spin no more.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:49:41

#16, AM2.

I'm sorry that I missed your reply earlier.

I resent your accusation that my comments were prejudiced. They were anything but; they were based on your inability.
Your comments on these threads are so transparent that a blind man couldn't see through them.

As I said, please keep commenting as it can only hasten our Independence.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 01:53:12

#35, AM2.

Good linkage but, it does not excuse you.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 02:04:26

#40, AM2.

I really think you should check your reference again - 3rd. option.
I think you might find you are wrong or, are right in that, perhaps, the CPS has prejudged the complaint.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 02:10:15

#42, AM2.

Who's wriggling.

Are you now answering with me. You're writing is explicitly explicit.

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Guga II,

Rockall 22/07/2007 02:10:58

AM Squared. You're not in Northern Ireland now, and you're not likely to be any more successful in politics here, the way you always try to defend the indefensible.

Bliar is a proven liar and charlatan, and it impossible to believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll find some way of avoiding any appearance before the PAC. Maybe his master, Bush, will spirit him out of the country.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 02:13:07

#44, AM2.

I referred you back to your own link.

I'm technologically challenged, sorry.

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 03:22:01

The plook in Leith # 15++

"Even if there was no peerages sold, the Labour buffoons that were interviewed perverted the course of justice and as Yates said " At least 3 people should be charged under the 1925 act"

As a Crown Servant I doubt that "Yates of the Yard" has said anything officially or been in touch with you about his thoughts on the alleged "cash-for-honours" debacle. You describe some unidentified person as "Labour buffoons" who haven't sold peerages, but should nevertheless be charged with perverting the course of justice under the 1925 Act. And you call them buffoons. You have delusions of adequacy, have you checked the palms of your hands for hair lately?

Tell us another bed byes story about your time at as an undergraduate at Glasgow University and how Professor Curtice came from Strathclyde University to hear you debate politics. Those stories are much more entertaining than your non-existent political insights and spooky contacts with "Yates-of-the-Yard."

29

Cridhe aig MIT,

Kennedy Country 22/07/2007 04:24:12

Did Blair negotiate his exit from number 10 based on ZERO charges on the " Cash for Honours" scandals"?

30

AM4,

Larne 22/07/2007 04:55:08

I'm no Nat, but........this smacks of COVER UP.
It's disingenuous of apologists Foulkes and AM2.
So ends the most serious investigation into claims of government corruption ever seen in modern times - not with a bang, but a whimper. Not with a breath of clean air, but a lingering smell of something rotten at the top.
Prosecutions or not, the cash for honours scandal leaves an enduring stain on our political culture.
Of course those arrested in this inquiry are entitled to feel vindicated by the ruling that there isn't enough evidence to bring charges. Everybody in this country enjoys the presumption of innocence until found guilty by a court.
But Tony Blair deludes himself when he claims 'all issues have now been resolved'. Questions about his conduct as Prime Minister won't go away.
And the public deserves better than the pitiful whingeing peddled by Labour toadies that this affair has been whipped up by the media into a witch-hunt.
Why did Blair's party take large secret loans, on terms that commercial banks wouldn't have dreamed of agreeing? Was it a way of getting round his own laws, which say donations over £5,000 must be declared while loans needn't be?
Why were businessmen who stumped up cash recommended for peerages almost immediately? Why was Labour's then treasurer, Jack Dromey, kept in the dark (much to his fury)?
While none of this may amount to criminality, it nevertheless seems as dodgy as Mr Blair's Iraq dossiers.
AM2 YOU ASKED FOR A QUOTE
Consider the extraordinary statement by Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates, on why inquiries dragged on for 16 months.
'During the course of this investigation it became necessary to consider whether there had been a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice', he said. 'The investigation would have been concluded much earlier if this had not arisen...'
So on top of everything else, police suspected a cover-up in Downin

31

Cridhe aig MIT,

Kennedy Country 22/07/2007 05:06:41

Why are the Herald electronic pages currently closed to debate?
Are Gannet Press afraid of how they may have over-played their political hand?
Was Blair involved?
Does anyone really think they can hide the Cash for Honors scandal?

32

AM4,

Larne 22/07/2007 05:31:13

Lord Levy's assessment that he had been "exonerated" (in the words of his statement to the media) should be set against the carefully chosen terms used by the CPS lead, Carmen Dowd, who spoke of "insufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of a conviction against any individual".
In other words, no weighing of guilt or innocence. Only a calculation about the likelihood of evidence placed before a jury convincing it beyond reasonable doubt.
The explanatory statement issued on the CPS website is unprecedented in its detail and prosecutors will be under pressure in future high profile cases to match it when deciding not to press charges.
As the website explains, some of the material gathered by the police, which may have looked powerful, might have been excluded from a trial because of legal rules.
That possibility also influenced the CPS decision.

33

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 05:55:06

53

AM4,

Levy HAS been exonerated - because after a lengthy, detailed inquiry no guilt was established.

i.e. he is innocent.

As Levy is not Irish (as far as I know!) a core component of our liberal democracy applies: innocent until proven guilty.

34

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 05:59:10

51

AM4

Questions about Tony Blair's conduct whilst PM? What questions?

The stuff of the gutter press, the political antagonists and persecutors?

Core to their Blair conduct attacks was this case and we were repeatedly told this was gonna expose Blair and some of his pals.

Errrr....hello? Case dropped.

35

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 05:59:55

50

Did he?

Any evidence?

No?

Shut up.

36

Cridhe aig MIT,

Kennedy Country 22/07/2007 06:06:05

The question is not whether there was a cover-up, but why and how? And who in the current government stood by its authorization? Undoubtedly, the Labour Party is well rid of Blair and his unsavoury allegiences, but to what extent did Brown, Straw and Darling turn a blind or selfish eye, not just to the "Cash for Honours" scandal, but to the decision to go into Iraq, or the failure to act on Darfur? Without Blair and New Labour, there would have been no Iraq war. Bush would have had no real ally!
How Gordon, as a child of the manse, does your conscience, or the ghost of your father, deal with how your government started and perpetuated a modern and illegal war?
Gordon, we await your moral response!

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Cridhe aig MIT,

Kennedy Country 22/07/2007 06:14:20

#56

Scotland Yard certainly considered there to be enough evidence to pursue an enquiry, not something they would do lightly given the persons of interest involved, so you would do well to consider that fact, and also where the officers involved now are.

You may not trust the Chatanooga cops but Scotland Yard has a pretty good sense of when there is enough evidence to pursue an investigation with a good chance of prosectution!

BTW, smart people who value intelligent debate, whether they agree or not, do not tell others to "shut up". So, unless you have something better to say, stick to the Chatanooga Press!

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22/07/2007 06:20:30
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39

mona,

22/07/2007 06:30:25

This whole sordid thing, reminds me of that t.v. show "yes minister".

40

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 06:45:35

58

I say *Shut up* only to those who pollute these pages with gutter press inspuired sh!te. I guess you showed that "quality" with your post #50.

Now, whilst there are lots of words - some eloquent - in your retorts, can I just draw your attention to the fact that you have not answered my question, posed at 56?

Here, let me ask you again:

Do you have any evidence at all to support your suggestion (at #50) that Tony Blair might have negotiate(d) his exit from number 10 based on ZERO charges on the " Cash for Honours" scandals"?

I ask you - AGAIN - to show it to us.

41

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 06:46:04

* inspired

42

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 22/07/2007 06:49:34

Blair and co must be brought to book.

There is still much evidence to come.

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mr angry,

ayrshire 22/07/2007 07:00:04

#54 , a blind man could see he was guilty, I would count my fingers after shaking hands with him, he looks like a sleazy get , they are all fortunate to get away with it , if it was joe public it would have been another story. This certainly shows how justice works in this country.

44

Rab McClair,

Bemusedville 22/07/2007 07:47:48

Do we REALLY have to wait till Yates of The Yard retires before we hear the REAL story here????
Lets hear it Officer.

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Proximaking,

Dundee 22/07/2007 08:04:14

If the accused had any sense they would shut up. The police were asked to investigate and they, used only to the murky world of the police corruption, were probably horrified at what they uncovered in the political realm. The CPS being more used to political murk thought the accusations wouldn't fly in court. What is needed is more information and given the way Levy and others are unfairly attacking PC Plod atthe moment if there are any unfortunate facts hiding under stones I have no doubt they will be uncovered. Just what is wrong with an early morning raid on a possible criminal? Do these people put themselves above the police tactics routinely used on plebs like you and me?

46

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 08:06:39

The simple way for the SNP to get this matter into the courts is for them names the names, without parliamentary privilege, of those they believe who have committed offences in the SNP inspired cash-for-honours debacle. Those accused will sue and it will all be aired in court.
Just for good measure they can accuse the CPS of being in collusion with those same people. Even better, why not make a complaint of collusion between the CPS and Labour Party to the Metropolitan Police?
There's one good reason, they don't have the moral fibre to expose themselves pesonally; they would rather have their spineless ciphers make unsubstantiated smears in forums like this.

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Tory,boy,

The playing fields of Eton 22/07/2007 08:53:50

#67Pete,

Dear boy latest medical advice is for everybody to have a smear at least once year.Of course with Scotland now being under S.N.P. hegemony
they are more frequent.

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Tory,boy,

The playing fields of Eton 22/07/2007 09:00:18

#47Guga II, Rockall

You sir, are indeed a racist of the worst kind,a "Hypocritical" one.And a coward to boot..vile...vile

49

Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 09:00:22

Lord Foulkes lawyer said:

attending a whisky party "as befits an MP concerned with the blending industry".

50

James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 09:00:49

Now spineless is the SoS that wont allow comments on the other headline story today!

Corrupt is the Blair regime. Proving it is the remit of the Police and the CPS and not bloggers.
If Blair had nothing to hide they should have 'opened the books' to Plod.
Instead they led a merry dance.

If you care to look at other forums, its not only SNP supporters who are crying foul.

Fine - if your gut feeling is that there is moral as well as legal innocence then say so.
However some on here whilst making 'brave and bold' statements of 'there are no charges so that means innocence' is wrong. Crimes may havebeen commited, its pinning it on individuals that may have been the problem.

51

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 09:01:12

Tory,boy # 70

Everybody should take a regular political smear test in "Salmond's Scotland."
Have you noticed that when the sun comes up the SNP drones disappear?

52

Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 09:06:49

#68 AM2

I quote you from yesterday:

"It's almost unbelievable to most people that they imagine that an independent Scotland would have more clout in Europe."

Do you claim to know "most people" and know what they find "almost unbelievable"?

53

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 09:09:57

James # 73

I can see the advantages to the SNP of their political opponents being jailed without evidence James. A lot of you SNP drones are at risk of exhibiting totalitarian tendencies. Fortunately, Salmond does not have a mandate for that.

54

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 09:11:32

AM2 29,
You've been hounding Spook for this Quote;-

Yates' team is believed to have recommended that at least three people should be charged under a 1925 law preventing the sale of honours, or for perverting the course of justice.

This from the article above.

55

Garenne,

France 22/07/2007 09:12:22

As the Guardian reported in a somewhat similar case: "An inquiry by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) into the transactions behind the £43bn Al-Yamamah arms deal,... is understood to have uncovered details of the payments to Prince Bandar. But the investigation was halted last December by the SFO after a review by the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith. He said it was in Britain's national interest to halt the investigation, and that there was little prospect of achieving convictions. Tony Blair said he took "full responsibility" for the decision.
However, according to those familiar with the discussions at the time, Lord Goldsmith had warned colleagues that British "government complicity" was in danger of being revealed unless the SFO's corruption inquiries were stopped. The abandonment of the investigation ... led to the world's official bribery watchdog, the OECD, launching its own investigation."

In the current "cash for honours" affair the police found "insufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of a conviction against any individual" (see AM4 above). It is a pity the Scottish "not proven" verdict was not an option. In any case Yates should now be put under temporary War Office command and allowed to sell the "real" story to the highest bidder. Obviously no-one at the War Office will be responsible as they will be dining at Chequers when the decision is made.
It only remains for Goldilocks' successor to raise another KGB assassination attempt and we'll be back in fairyland again.

56

James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 09:13:59

'Pete' from Andrew Neill country.
No doubt you'll be happy when Jack's gone within the month, and your beloved Wendy is set up as the new leader of the opposition in Scotland.
Now that will be fun.
Jack's for the Lords and will he step down as an MSP?

57

Alexander,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 09:14:28

Sadly the only person to come out of this sordid, sleazy, corrupt affair is Yates. Even more sadly it bodes badly for his future career. Perhaps he should follow Campbell and retire to write his memoirs.

58

James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 09:21:23

Pete you vile creature - where did I imply that SNP opponnents should be locked up?

Put up or shut up.

59

Pete,

Paisley, Brillo Pad Country 22/07/2007 09:21:50

James # 80

That's below the belt, reminding people of Andrew Neill's illustrious origins. But, he is so totalitarian in his attitudes that he could be a candidate for membership of the SNP.
Incidentally, is it true that to qualify for SNP membership you have to prove your allegiance by posting anti-Union rhetoric on sites like this?

60

Tory,boy,

The playing fields of Eton 22/07/2007 09:23:20

#74pete

Yes but then the"Living dead" come lumbering along hurling "political smears" all around it's their "forte" or should that be "raison d’être."


Un mensonge a la vitesse, mais la vérité a la résistance. J. Mohn ~Edgar

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Pete,

Paisley, Brillo Pad Country 22/07/2007 09:25:51

James # 83

No need to take it personally James, your previous posts imply a coverup but you posit no proof. I notice that you don't deny being an SNP Drone though.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 09:28:04

Alexander @81,

I think you'll find that any such memoirs, will be covered by section 2 of the official secrets act.

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Pete,

Paisley, Brillo Pad Country 22/07/2007 09:28:39

Tory,boy # 84

Something about a lie being round the world before the truth is out of the starting blocks...?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 09:33:06

87 Pete,
yep if anyone would know about lies, it would be you

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 09:46:03

Tory Boy

Where corruption and sleaze exists, why does pointing this out amount to “smears”?

Labourtories may defend their corrupt practices with all guns blazing as they go down, but the main thing is, they are going down!

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose (not "of Lords") 22/07/2007 09:47:51

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article211...

"Scotland Yard discovered that every Labour lender who was eligible for a seat in the House of Lords was initially nominated in lists compiled for Tony Blair by his top aides.

Sir Christopher Evans, the biotechnology entrepreneur, Rod Aldridge, former executive chairman of Capita, Derek Tul-lett, the broker, and Andrew Rosenfeld, chairman of Minerva, were all on an internal Downing Street peerages list. Until now the names of only four lenders – Sir David Garrard, Barry Towns-ley, Chai Patel and Sir Gulam Noon – were known to have been put forward.

The Sunday Times has also discovered that there was a second key piece of evidence – a diary kept by Evans that allegedly details a series of meetings at the House of Lords in 2004 with Lord Levy, Blair’s chief fundraiser, to discuss a peerage.

A CPS official said that these two pieces of evidence formed the core of the 16-month police investigation, which the Yard believed until recently would lead to charges against key Downing Street aides.

However, the investigation was effectively halted at a meeting on July 4 when a leading government barrister, David Perry QC, ruled that the diary was not admissible as evidence. "

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose (not "of Lords") 22/07/2007 09:48:50

94 beat me to it!

Did I mention the Tram is over budget already?

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 09:50:42

#89 AM2, Glasgow

I'll be talking to my lawyers about the distress you caused me :)

I hear Lord Levy is looking for work!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 09:56:31

AM2.

Who are you to call anyone underhand?

I fear you may be projecting yourself on to me. Unless it is a cure for what ails you, please refrain. If it is a cure, please keep taking the medicine.

71

James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 09:58:35

Pete's gone and so has the smell.
To answer his point of#85, I'm happy to report that I'm an SNP voter, but have not been a member for quite a number of years now. Does that mean I'm a freelance drone or an ex-drone?

Arise Sir Pete of Feegie Park, you have smitten the SNP and sent them scurrying off to their heilan kailyards.

........erm not really!

72

seeker of the truth,

still at home... 22/07/2007 09:59:06

AM2 et al; you asked spook for a link to his quote. Here it is; 'Yates' team is believed to have recommended that at least three people should be charged under a 1925 law preventing the sale of honours, or for perverting the course of justice. ' Did you, and the other drones, not actually read the article above? Hung, drawn and quartered methinks...

73

Alexander,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 10:04:33

#86 pehman
I am sure you are correct, but it hardly seems that this is an issue of national security, more like political reputations.

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howyoudoingboy;,

at a ringside seat (£1000 I paid) 22/07/2007 10:06:33

#62AM2
#110 Frank Mcbride


Frank mcbride"I don't take at all kindly to it" in my neck of the wood's that's offering you out mate.

Fight,Fight,Fight

Come on Frank mano a la mano use your manos de la piedra and go for a K.O.

This for the Heavyweight championship of the Scotsman.

A bout over 15 comments between "the pride of Scotland" Battling Frank(mano de la piedra) McBride in the Red corner.


And AM2 the (the Belfast Mauler) in the blue corner.

your esteemed referee is Methalions


"LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE"

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 10:07:00

I would have thought that yesterday's revelations about the reason for Mr MacNeil sending the letter would have put the nationalists' gas at a peep. It just goes to show that you never can tell.

76

Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 10:07:10

My question to Blair would be:

"Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"

(Same question that I'd like to put to him or Iraq).

77

Pete,

Paisley, Brillo Pad Country 22/07/2007 10:10:10

James # 111

It could be a sign of delusions James if you can perceive smells across the internet.
To answer your question, the fact that you were an SNP member still qualifies you as an SNP drone, particularly when you admit to voting SNP. On the positive side I don't suppose the SNP need's your subscription money now that they have got Brain Souter bankrolling them.
I suppose my knighthood will go on the back burner while Salmond contrives to get Brain Souter knighted. How long will it be before it is arise Sir Brain, especially since Salmond's new best friend is Her Majesty herself!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:12:42

112 Seeker of Truth,

He's not interested in facts,
see my post at 77

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:15:11

113 Dr Who,

Thats what worries me. Look how much Bush got gets from Saudi sources, inc the Bin Laden clan

80

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:17:24

115 Alexander,
Money can buy many things, especially if you are desperate to hang on to power

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seeker of the truth,

still at home... 22/07/2007 10:18:25

None of the labour drones - AM2 et al - going to apologise to spook for slagging him off? Here's the quote you asked for AM2; 'Yates' team is believed to have recommended that at least three people should be charged under a 1925 law preventing the sale of honours, or for perverting the course of justice. ' Well? We await the apology...

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howyoudoingboy;,

at a ringside seat (£1000 I paid) 22/07/2007 10:20:55

round 2 (comment) frank

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mona,

22/07/2007 10:21:06

wonder what happened to all that union money!!!!!!!!

84

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 10:25:44

125 pehman

But Mr Macneil's letter was prompted by his own selfish concerns about his expenses!

85

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose will within budget 22/07/2007 10:26:44

Dear Doctor

11 days after starting work, It looks like the Vanity Tram will have an additional cost of at least £1,000,000 as they failed to properly survey part of the route for Japanese Knotweed, or properly cost treatment of same.

Knotweed is a non-native plant which is capable of growing up through concrete, tarmac and even through building foundations and appearing inside. It can only be removed by spraying with poison, or digging out at least 3m deep and 4m around any visible plant or various combinations of spraying and excavation. Excavated material is considered contaminated and needs disposed in a properly licensed landfill site.

http://www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/processes/367836/

merely a rumour at present, but my sources are good.

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bill1,

22/07/2007 10:28:38

118. Jim P

Blair's idea of truth is different from ours.

Of course he would "promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth", because he is convinced that he could do no other and never has.

In actual fact he has raised the art of lying to Olympian levels.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:28:43

129 AM2,
Ok agreed, should be He believed should be.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose will within budget 22/07/2007 10:32:18

137 Sorry. It walks like a duck. Looks a bit feathery. And goes QUACK QUACK.
ergo A Duck.

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seeker of the truth,

still at home... 22/07/2007 10:33:40

AM2; surely the best recruiter for the SNP EVER! Keep up the good work Agent AM2, Scotland needs double-agents like you...

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 10:34:34

#124, AM2.

Good morning AM.

Perhaps I could have rephrased my opening thus: "As AM2 would likely say..........".

I hope that clarifies the post.

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howyoudoingboy;,

22/07/2007 10:34:57

#130Methalions

they have got away with it"on their toes" as the saying goes.

And now comes the grieving process. 1'st stage

"SHOCK"

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:36:44

132 Walter Ego, your post;125 pehman

But Mr Macneil's letter was prompted by his own selfish concerns about his expenses!

His expences are not in question, if they were then I dare say you lot would be on his case big time.

Trying to deflect the discussion, typical laboutite responce, this goes to prove that even the labourites think blair has a case to answer. your even trying to emulate your hero, trying to smear someone else

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 10:38:19

#139, Derick fae Yell.

From those 3 related coincidences, how do you arrive at your conclusion?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:39:14

144 AM2, ok this time with punctuation

129 AM2,
Ok agreed, should be, He believed should be.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 10:47:17

137 AM2, your post;#130 Methalions

You know I'm more Tory than anything else. I have no big vested interest here. None of us are in a position to say if everything was "squeaky clean". But what really riles me is the propensity of the SNP supporters here to presume guilt. It's an agenda set right from the top of that party.

Then why oh why are you always 1st to rush to labours defence- do you REALLY believe the lying B/S that they put out. This is not the first time they've lied to the people, they have been proven to on many occasions

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mona,

22/07/2007 10:53:38

AM2,please justify Iraq, Afghanistan,cash for honours;etc

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose will within budget 22/07/2007 10:55:03

146
Observation.
Common Sense.
Common Knowledge

and I asked the dogs in the street.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:01:14

156 Methalions,
yeah and Bill Cinton said sack the cook

99

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:04:57

159 make that CLINTON

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:05:48

145

pehman, you obviously haven't read yesterday's papers.

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daveserviceman,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 11:07:14

to all the rat smellers did you know the snp supported the ira for 30 years, I know bwcause I am from ireland. also at a meeting the other evening they are proposing to outlaw all opposition parties and create a soviet union style parliament.
The trams I am afraid to say will be abandoned in favour of opening city roads to motorised transport again. and the English train services will not be given permisiion to enter scotland but to terminate at berwick and carlisle all proposed at the snp meeting I attended. incidently I do not support any political party as there are no poloticiains that I can trust not one of them are fit to govern

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 11:07:30

#156, Methalions.

Good afternoon.

Did your "Cats for Owners" agree with Derick fea Yell's dogs in the street with regard to his 3 related coincidences?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:09:20

The headline reads,
MPs TO QUESTION BLAIR OVER CASH FOR HONOURS.
Whats the betting he's to busy to attend !

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 11:10:51

#162, daveserviceman.

I'm shellshocked!!!!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:12:45

161 Walter Ego,
I refer you to my post at 145, to save you scrawling bach I post again-

Trying to deflect the discussion, typical laboutite responce, this goes to prove that even the labourites think blair has a case to answer. your even trying to emulate your hero, trying to smear someone else

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 11:14:38

#165, pehman.

He'll be an American citizen soon, with all the privileges that go with that status. He won't need to be too busy.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:15:05

164 AM2

I agree and Mr MacNeill knows all about wholesomeness, does he not?

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:16:10

167

So pehman, I take it you didn't read yesterday's story about the origin of Mr MacNeil's complaint?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:20:28

169 Frank McBride,
yeah your probably right, I don't think he'll like Gaza much. Unlike brown who love him

110

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:22:51

170 Walter Ego,
what wrong with a couple of wholesome wenches. Its not like they were dogs or animals

111

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:23:51

171
Go on then, enlighten me !

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 11:28:52

#162 daveserviceman

Says he:
"to all the rat smellers did you know the snp supported the ira for 30 years, I know bwcause I am from ireland."

Smell this rat whom the British government supported:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/76692...

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:34:09

173

pehman, it appears that you have the same morals as Mr MacNeil.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:35:24

174

pehman, I am not going to encourage your laziness by providing a reference. Try googling.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:36:32

162 Dave,
As one ex service man to another, if it stops the trams, it cant be all bad

116

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 11:38:19

177 Walter Ego,
Did you read the posts in yesterdays papers ?

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Guga II,

Rockall 22/07/2007 11:39:58

#69 I've got absolutely nothing against Irishmen, whether from the north or the south. Only against failed, would be politicians who try to defend the indefensible.

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george alexander,

north lanarkshire 22/07/2007 11:41:43

#79

I had a comment removed (#59) that simply stated that the BBC had admitted fabricating, in the midst of the election campaign, a poll purporting to show no support for independence amongst businesses.

I gave a link to the article which appears in The Sunday Herald. I also asked why I could find no mention of this story in the Scotland on Sunday.

This should be a major story, leading even, that the publicly funded BBC is deliberately seeking to misinform the electorate who pay for it.

Why was my comment removed?

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:42:35

179

pehman, no time yesterday to read any posts on the Scotsman or other forums but I read a few papers. Did you?

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Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 11:44:09

180

Guga

You mean like various UK PMs who acquiesced as British Forces murdered & maimed innocent civilians (men, women, and children) in the North of Ireland?

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Pete,

Paisley, Brillo Pad Country 22/07/2007 11:44:22

Walter Ego # 176

Angus Macneill discovered his morals when he got caught! The problem is, he didn't know what he'd done was wrong until he saw himself in print.

122

Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 11:45:28

181

Have you read the site rules?

123

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 11:52:08

184

Pete, Paisley - yes, he certainly displayed an alarming lack of judgement.

124

mona,

22/07/2007 11:53:04

AM2. I am a unionist, so please stop quoteing me anti unionist garbage, could not give a flying fcuk what the msp's said or didn't say,I am asking you how the uk government could justify the war in Iraq,and the uk sending troops to Afghanistan,please tell me how these people can sleep at night!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 11:54:26

pehman.

I think you'll find that Walter Mitty is referring to the perceived wisdom of Dennis McShane MP an the late, unlamented PM.

126

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:12:28

190 Frank McBride,
Yeah I gave him enough chances to post what ever it is that he thinks will damage the SNP. So I guess he's not to sure himself

127

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 12:20:27

200

pehman, Mr MacNeil has himself damaged the SNP by his comments on his hotel bills.

128

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 12:28:48

207

Dr Who, what Human Rights Executive?

129

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:28:52

206 Walter Ego,
yeah F ing hotel bills, just keep going up an up

130

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:30:31

207 Dr Who, 2nd that

131

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 12:32:24

Methalions # 205

Is that the same Martin Bell who said he would only stand as an MP for one five year period of Parliament?
What other sources do you recommend?
Antway, it's not my "high morals" you should be concerned with, what I do is not an issue, what Angus Macneill does is. Or, do morals only apply to the old parties and not your beloved SNP.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:36:03

209 Walter Ego, you ask ?

Dr Who, what Human Rights Executive?

Did you not read the papers yesterday ?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 12:36:26

The Honours Act, 1925.

Why is this Act on the Statue Book?

The level of proof required would require all the assets of MI5, MI6, SFO, FBI, CIA, Mossad and others to collect the evidence required; all as flies on walls. Even that might not be enough.

Fortunately, a policeman, with integrity, has ensured that the evidence accumulated will reach the public domain.

Having had the courage to make his displeasure known, he has put himself in a very invidious position. I, for one, wish him well.

134

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 12:36:48

210

pehman, that is exactly what Mr MacNeil was on about.

135

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 12:38:24

217

pehman, I did but saw no reference whatsoever to any "Human Rights Executive".

136

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 12:38:53

Dr Who # 207

That's why Alec Salmond wouldn't appoint Martin Bell; there are too many dark corners in SNP activities for Bell to shine his torch of truth onto.

If Salmond wanted to do something for the Scottish people he could campaign for lower, differential interest rates in Scotland. Interest rates are so high across the UK because of the demand for money in the south east of England. He would be a real hero to the Scottish people if interest were reduced, even, to the EU average. But, that would conflict with the interests of his political masters in the Royal Bank of Scotland, wouldn't it?

137

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:39:42

215 AM2, You ask,

Typical MacNeil-esque stategy. Just like Guga. Sling enough mud...


And what do you think of Pete and Wattie are attempting to do ?? not to mention your own contributions on occasion !

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:42:34

222 Walter Ego,
you wont believe me, Perhaps AM2 will be good enough to keep you right ?

139

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 12:44:32

214

Dr Who, do you mean the Scottish Commission for Human Rights and the post of Commissioner? And surely you mean the last Scottish Parliament (and not Executive as you stated)?

140

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 12:45:43

Dr Who # 216

Yet more disinformation from you. No charges were dropped, because no one was charged.
If the BBC underestimated the support for the SNP among business leaders it was in order to galvanise SNP support into voting. I think that the other parties have good reason for complaint against the BBC in this. In any case I believe that the BBC should lose it's licence fee entitlement. I object to paying £135.50 per annum to have government propaganda broadcast to me, some privilege. The BBC is the worst kind of "old boys" club.
Paxman is no fan of the "jocks" in London, in spite of his ancestry.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 12:46:51

223 Pete,
Interest rates are nothing to do with Bank of Scotland, thats gorgon browns dept, or was. I t's the bank of England that controls them.

If you want the SNP to do something about the situation, then vote for Independence ! simple as that

142

Jimbo Jones,

22/07/2007 12:47:31

Well, it's only taken 225 posts for this board to descend to the level of the nursery.

Good to see AM2 accusing all and sundry of racsim again. Is there anyone here who he hasn't called a racist? I know he's accused me of being one.

Most of the other posters seem more interested making tit-for-tat points, rather than try to further the story.

Screw it, I'm going to get on with my life, I'll leave you losers to it.

143

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 13:00:21

233

Jimbo, you make a lot of sense with your "tit for tat" comment. I tried to "further the story" by referring to Mr MacNeil's admission about the true reason for sending his letter but his apologists just do not accept that their man can do anything wrong. They even try to make fun of his "encounter" with the young women (eg post 173). Absolutely disgraceful.

144

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 13:01:03

234

Thanks Dr Who.

145

Miss H,

22/07/2007 13:10:55

Am2 have you actually read this article or the leader comment in today's SoS?

I ask because the SoS sets out the current situation fairly well in my view - and I am no fan of the Hootsman! And the Hootsman is no fan of the SNP.

It is made clear that the Metropolitan Police detectives who conducted the inquiry believed they had a credible case that would justify criminal charges. They intend to lay that evidence before the House of Commons.

I would be very careful if I were you about making claims that this entire matter is simply the SNP up to no good.

What exactly is your motivation in defending the honours system, which it is fair to say is almost universally discredited?

146

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 13:11:59

239

Dr Who, no baldism please.

147

Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 13:16:26

AM2

Just English, Welsh and N.Irish people?

What about Argentinian, Chinese, French, Indian, or Kenyan people?

It strikes me you are a racist.

Viva!

148

Miss H,

22/07/2007 13:33:13

250

I disagree completely with Dr Who's position. I think that provided they do not break the law individuals have the right to live in a country even if they detest everything it stands for.

However what Dr Who is saying is no different to what many people believe - it is probably what most 'British' people believe.

If you want to live in our country you should accept our way of life, our culture, our values blah de blah. That is an opinion which has in fact been reiterated many times over by Labour ministers including our present Prime Minister.

Are they racist?

I happen to think yes they are but I can also recognise that my views are probably not indicative of mainstream opinion on this, although I believe I am right.

I would be interested in seeing where you stand.

149

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 13:33:14

253

Methalions, you should not make comment on a person's possible religion on this forum.

150

Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 13:34:00

255

Miss H, I agree with you.

151

Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 13:36:55

AM2

You've not actually denied being a racist I see.

152

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 13:39:20

Methalions # 249

Have you ever condemned it?
My point is I do not think we should take any moralising from an individual or party who are themselves of questionable morals. The SNP have learned the immorality game pretty quickly, taking anyone’s money. "Big Tam" the world's most famous milkman gets a Knighthood, policies are changed because dosh gets handed over and Salmond will not propose ANY policy that disadvantages the Royal Bank of Scotland. At least we know where the influences come from in the old parties, but the SNP will accommodate anyone with cash.
And don't say it was Tony Blair proposed Sean Connery; it was at the behest of the SNP in the first place. For services to acting, the knighthood should be removed!

153

Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 13:41:56

Methalions # 251

Accepted, but totally unnecessary. If you come across all touchy feely I will have a lump in my throat when I have to attack you ;-)

154

Miss H,

22/07/2007 13:46:47

261

The SNP cannot possibly be accused of being tarnished with the same brush as Labour because they do not nominate people for peerages and SNP members do not sit in the House of Lords.

It was Donald Dewar who nominated Sean Connery for a peerage - not the SNP.

You are just talking complete nonsense.

155

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 14:13:00

264 Miss H,
You are almost correct. The SNP, first proposed Sean Connery for a peerage, which was knocked back by Dewar on the grounds he supported the SNP therefore he was not fit for this honour. After the public outcry Dewar was forced to bow to PUBLIC pressure.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 14:16:08

AM2.

If this was a story about Winnie the Pooh you would find a racist angle.

I would venture that on over 90% of the threads on which you have made comment, you have made reference to racism.
You apparent reason for this would appear to be an attempt to portray the SNP in a bad light. You certainly don't appear to be concerned with racist comments from posters who appear not to support Independence. Nor do you take issue with people who libel the SNP.
You also use, at times, very convoluted logic to introduce the "racist" theme.

I am sure that you will reply by saying that you could not raise the issue if it does not exist. Well take this to its logical conclusion and direct your comment at all of the racist posters, not just those you perceive to be supporters of Independence.

157

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 14:23:44

Back on issue, this is from the opinion section of this paper;

The MPs are intent on calling Blair to answer searching questions, in public, about what he knew and when he knew it. And if John Yates, the assistant commissioner at the Met, really does intend to "spill his guts" to the same committee then there could still be real damage to the Blair legacy. More mud will be thrown, and this time some of it may stick.

158

Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 14:32:47

I notice AM2 STILL hasn't denied being a racist.

I wonder why?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 14:40:54

277 AM2,
Isn't about time you got back on topic, instead of bleating that Dr Who doesn't like you.

You in the course of posting continuely and deliberately mis quote and twist what people say, most of us recognise the way you work, but those that don't, you try to drive off the site. GROW UP.

160

Miss H,

22/07/2007 14:49:59

272

No I am pretty sure that the SNP did not propose Sean Connery for a peerage.

There was a row about the fact that seemingly his nomination was blocked because he supports the SNP - but the SNP did not make any nomination.

If my memory serves me correctly the person who originally put his name forward was outgoing Scottish Secretary Michael Forsyth.

161

Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 14:50:56

AM2

What was nonsense? You imply that English, Welsh and Northern Irish people should be treated differently than every one else. That is racist.

You haven't denied being a racist.

162

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 14:51:09

283 AM2,
I was not talking about anyone particular post. I am talking about your regular practice, such as here now ! trying to pull people off subject. The topic is DID LABOUR SELL PEERAGES TO PAY FOR AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN. YES OR NO ???

163

pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 14:54:06

285 Miss H,
I bow to your more informed view.
Am2s going to love this after my last post

164

bill1,

22/07/2007 14:57:05

Why shouldn't the government sell peerages?

That would mean that the rich people would determine legislation.

Isn't that what happens now?

165

Miss H,

22/07/2007 14:57:42

AM2

I suggest you go and type sweaty sock scoungers into your favourite search engine and see what you find. Faults exist on both sides.

Nobody in the SNP would turn a blind eye to Anglophobia.

What you completely fail to recognise however is that Anglophobia and the growing tide of Scotophobia (think I just made a word up there) is caused by the dysfunctional political relationship between the 2 countries.

Independence is not the cause of Anglophobia - it is the solution.

166

frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 15:00:13

#277, AM2.

You cheapest shot yet.

Any regular poster on this site, including yourself, is aware of my attitude to racism. You are being disingenuous.

I have said in a number of previous threads that you are an inciter of racist comment. You have once again proved this.

As I said in #273, you have an agenda and, that agenda it to smear the SNP.
As with the Unionist attempts at the last election, your smears are driving people toward the SNP, not away from it.
Please continue the good work.

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Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 15:07:00

Still haven't denied it.....

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 15:15:26

294 AM2, You say don't believe labour sold honours, Why ?

Next you ask if I agree that Dr Who's comment at 244 is racist ?

Never mind Jimbo, I'll state right now that AM2 knows through my many posts on the issue of race, I welcome all people who live in this country who consider them selves Scots.

Do you consider yourself a Scot AM2?. If you do comment your little heart out. {Nothing racist here } If you are merely here as a visotor belt up its got nothing to do with you. You havent paid for the right. {Once you answer this legitimit question AM2 I will answer your other question}

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 15:23:09

296 AM2, you point out that some so call nationalist posters have come accross as very anti English, THEN YOU ASK "AM I RESPOCIBLE FOR THESE COMMENTS ?

Are we to be held responcible for everyone who posts.

NOT ONE F8CKING TIME HAVE YOU CONDEMED UNIONIST POSTERS USING RACIST COMMENTS

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 15:28:32

#296, AM2.

It works like this:

1. Slightest whiff of racist sentiment; perceived or otherwise, from pro Independence posters.
2. Fake outrage by AM2 with accusation of racism; warranted or not.
3. Continued drip-drip by AM2 to elicit more racists sentiment.
4. Calls by AM2 for all "good" people to denounce this vile racism.
5. When challenged to defend his/her actions, AM2 dissembles, conflates, diverges (all or any) and refuses to answer.
6. Generally returns to thread with cut & paste quotes to prove his point.
7. When challenged as to why cut & paste comments refer only to peceived Independence supporters AM2 returns to one of the points above. AM2 never answers a direct question about his agenda, prefering to denigrate the questioner or, as often as not leaves the thread.

That's how you work AM2 and, the other posters on these fora are well aware of it, even if you,yourself are not.

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James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 15:29:34

#287 Pehman - Of course AM2 wont go back on topic. Its his job to deflect, confuse and muddy the watters.

A bit like Pete from Paisley, but AM2 rarely takes offence at the jibes.

AM2 is an old pro, wheresPeter is the sorcerers apprentice boy.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 15:31:13

#274. AM2: Talking about me behind my back!!!!

Have you been on my bebo looking at ma photos when you feel the need to talk about me beside my back!!!!!!

#284. The spook in Leith: I'm real shock that you can call me bigoted. I'm Never said anything bigoted on this site or any others. Please don't spread nasty roomers about me I thought you were a friend ovules not.
Why are you spreading lies about me. I'm a very open minded and believe you should respect that everyone's entail to have beliefs.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 15:34:03

AM2,
I think it is right and propper that you declare an interest here or not as the case maybe.

If as you say you will leave when the SNP take control of Holyrood or win Independence.

If you are just PASSING THROUGH, then why should you have a say on Scotlands future.

If on the other hand you have decided to stay on here then welcome and carry on --though I sujest you stand up against racist insults from any quarter

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 15:40:12

As far as Sean the Milkman's Knighthood, not Peerage is concerned, as they say in fraud cases follow the money. Sean got his Knighthood, who got his stickies on the dosh?
Answers on a postcard please.

I am old enough to remember when there was a Jewish Tory candidate in a cooncil election in Govan. His initials were WW but, the SNP went from door to door pronouncing his name as Valter Vober and describing him as a German Jew from Govan. Hey, I am not saying that the SNP now is as racist as they were then, but there are some whose anti-English rhetoric is marginally and it is a subjective judgement, racist. You know who I mean!

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 15:41:12

#274. AM2: That article is pure mince!!!!

"8 per cent actually said they would be unhappy to have an English relative"

Amazing!!! Whats that, the only 8% that don't have English relatives!!!

I really haven't meet many Scots who have no English relatives (that includes in laws). Though this is no reason to keep the union.

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Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 15:41:34

If I had my way there would be a United States of Europe, at least as an interim.

I've met people from every continent who I regard as friends, and I've come across some very unpleasant characters as well.

I have more in common with the people I know from the Isle of Wight, Seville, Consett and Nancy than I do with most of the people I work with.

No continent has a freehold on stupidity, and if you think that I am racist, that's fine.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 15:45:07

Pete 316, you ask;

who got his stickies on the dosh?

Why not ask Lord Levy ?? or will you just wait until the select committee comes back

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James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 15:45:39

#310 AM2 - #244 I disagree in principle with. There are plenty of Scots who I would not break bread with. There are people of many nationalities who reside in Scotland whom I regard as friends. Many of them are comfortable with the possibility of Scotland going alone, but some are not. Doesnt make them bad people.
I've had the great fortune to view Scotland from abroad and this has served as a reinforcement to my core belief that Scotland would be better free.
Should that glorious day happen in my lifetime, I would be hapy for Scottish citizenship to be offered to all residents - as well as ex-pats - you can decline citizenship but still reside here. However this may effect your voting rights, depending on whether you were EC or non-EC.

So AM2 it wont mean deportation for you, it just means
you'll be 'foreign' or as my chums in the US INS used to call me an Alien.

Is that didtance enough from #144 for you?

Doesnt make any diff on how I feel on the topic which is Cash for Honours!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 15:47:46

On the Olympics thread AM2 is on a raceist stint.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 15:48:39

#312. AM2: Not in the mood for playing games John. M!!

You've token a pass comment of mine & took it out of context!!!!

And know you want me to play a game of follow the Post's, sorry would rather watch paint dry!!!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 15:50:27

318 Generalisimo,
Spot on, I to have worked all over Europe, though not every continent, and made friends everywhere.

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 15:58:39

The spook in Leith # 319

I am not surprised that you are still tired, you had a late night last night. I thought you would want to come back to me on your "legendary" career at Glasgow University. Who would you back if Scotland were playing Israel at cricket?

Pehman # 321

I am still asking, where did Sean the milkman's dosh go? Lord Levy saw your post, phoned a while ago and said it was the SNP, any comments?
How many people have the SNP proposed for Knighthoods and Peerages? It's not against the law; anyone can do it, so no need to be evasive.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:00:03

#308, AM2.

Proof positive of my #305.

Pt.7 - Use of denigration and, returns to Pt.2 - faked outrage and implication of racism on my part.

You're doing youself proud, today, AM2

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 16:01:09

Peter Paisley
Ahh you have repeated the above smear more than once.
You have been asked, more than once, to justify these smears, you have failed to do so.

Who made the comments you ascribe to the SNP?
When did this happen?
Who are the witnesses to this?

As far as Knighthoods are concerned, I will repeat, especially for those of hard of understanding, the SNP do not participate in the charade of nominating individuals for “honours”, we leave that to the fools , rogues and poltroons .

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 16:02:39

#330. AM2: Still no in the mood to play follow the posts!!!!!! Sorry!!!!!!!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:03:39

AM2 304,
I, (unlike you) take no part in politics down here, Nor in France. I have prefered to use my postal vote at my former address.
I may talk politics down the pub with friends, but they know my stance and generally ask for my "unbiased" opinion -- NB. unbiased- not untainted.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:05:50

#332, Pete.

I don't believe that the SNP has ever nominated anyone for a peerage or even a knighthood.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:06:03

337 AM2, post should be at 324

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 16:06:22

AM2 # 327

I agree it is hard to judge his intention there, but on balance I would say it is racist. One doesn't have be Scottish to comment on Scotland's politics or society, only to vote in General Elections. How can you dismiss the opinion of another simply on the basis of their nationality or their place of birth?
We don't dismiss the opinions of the Spook because he is from Leith, but because he is irrational.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:13:04

332 Pete,
No one in the SNP offers peerages.
If you know for a fact Sir Sean paid Donald Dewar then I think the select committee would like to here from you ASAP.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:14:49

The Honours Act, 1925.

It would be extremely difficult for 2 amoebas to breach this Act due to the burden of proof required.

Maybe that is why Mr Yates of the Met. went down the road of the "peverting the course of justice" charge. I await, eargerly, his testimony.

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 16:17:20

343


AM2 # 327
I agree it is hard to judge his intention there, but on balance I would say it is racist. One doesn't have be Scottish to comment on Scotland's politics or society, only to vote in General Elections. How can you dismiss the opinion of another simply on the basis of their nationality or their place of birth?
We don't dismiss the opinions of the Spook because he is from Leith, but because he is irrational

None of your previous comments could reasonably be judged as “balanced”, why should this one be?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:24:44

#349, AM2.

Further proof of the validity of my #305.

You have progressed from Pt.2 to Pt.3 - drip-drip.

Further proved by your posts #340 & #347.


You really are doing well :0

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:29:11

Come on Pete DID DONALD DEWAR TAKE CASH FOR BIG TAMs KNIGHTHOOD ??????????????

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 16:31:38

When does the unionist first team take the field?

These clowns posting on their behalf surely cannot represent the best they have?

Or do they?

Is the Lord Foulkesakes tendency the best they have to offer ?

Why has it taken so long for us to chase these beggars, they are so shallow?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:38:18

361 Bully Wee Alba,
spot on man, I've been comming to the same conclusion myself. Do you think their embarassed by CFH or seveerly embarassed

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 16:40:19

Pehman # 348

Impugning the honour of someone who is beyond defending himself is beneath you, consider your self reprimanded.

The spook in Leith # 350

Leith's loss is Millport's gain.

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 16:45:13

The spook in Leith # 365

I hope your are right, but my knowledge of football is sketchy. I am like the Daily Record editor who suggests backing whoever is playing against England. I don't care who beats the other Glasgow team(s).
Do you think you know me?

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bill1,

22/07/2007 16:46:27

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Raciest - the superlative form of racy.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:48:08

AM2.

You started this "racist" thread at #201. It's currently being perpetuated by you at#362.

Your intentions have been achieved; to deflect from a topic with which you are uncomfortable and, to attempt smearing the SNP.

I also see that you are continuing to validate my #305 Pt2 at #356 and, Pt3 at #360.

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Generalissimo Hernandez,

22/07/2007 16:48:57

Pete

You do know that Paisley isn't part of Glasgow?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:49:51

366 Pete,
YOUR the one harping on about it, DID BIG TAM PAY DONALD DEWAR FOR HIS KNIGHTHOOD --YES OR NO

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Pete,

Paisley 22/07/2007 16:52:41

Methalions # 370

I would just leave it, unacceptable as it might be, it is a reflection of opinions here. People who make unreasonable posts damage their credibility and their future posts.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 16:56:54

379 Pete,
yep you would be the one to know about that

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 16:58:32

AM2.

S/He has taken over half of this thread. He's good.

Wonder what he thinks of Mr. Yates of the Met.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:02:12

I think Mr. Yates is peerless.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:14:39

#389, Methalions.

Much more in keeping with the toneof this thread is the widely used, "white settler".

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:17:30

#390, Methalions.

My dog was called Peerontrees.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 17:20:22

305 Exact description of the AMTactics

I note that the Co-ordinated Unionist Girners tend to bring out the 'sex scandal with er...no sex, and, er, no scandal' and the "wife beater who er didn't beat his wife' smears on topics they are uncomfortable with.

The Cash for Honours story has a bit to run yet.

Had to smile at Simon Jenkins in the Times today

"Corruption in British government takes many forms, of which the sale of titles is ubiquitous and relatively harmless. That members of the House of Lords paid to get there is as old as the hills and no worse than getting there by birth or by grovelling sycophancy"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/simon...

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:20:25

#392, Methalions.

Is that from the same big book as, "A prophet is not recognised in his own land."?

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Ciffy,

Galloway 22/07/2007 17:22:21

No one takes issue with a thorough investigation by the police of a suspected criminal offence. Two -questions I would like to see answered:-

1. Where did all the leaks to the press come from eg "charges were about to be brought"etc. I also thought police enquiries were confidential so who was responsible for this? If the soursce is the police ( or anyone connected ) then we need a further enquiry to establish responsibility and see disciplinary action taken.

2. Why was an arrest made of a young woman ,of good character, at 7o'clock in the mornng when there was no likelihood whatever that she would abscond? Is this any way for the police to behave?

I'm starting to feel more nervous of the police and their behaviour in this, it inspires no confidence at all in the law abiding citizen.

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English visitor(just the once),

white cliffs country 22/07/2007 17:31:50

Just out of interest can someone describe what the notion of a "Scot" entails. The characteristics of a Scottish national. What is the "identification" one Scot sees in another. If a description could be constructed then this would surely aid in exploring any issues relating to the accusation of "Racism".

Just out of curiosity!

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Ms. Optimistic,

ND 22/07/2007 17:44:10

373. bill1

bill1 is a racist troll

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:45:43

#402, English visitor.......

Currently there is no such being as a Scottish national as the Scottish national identity is currently subsumed within the UK.

A Scot, however, in my opinion, is anyone permanently domiciled in Scotland and any ex-pat Scots who wish to accept that nationality. However, the full expression of being a Scot will not occur until we achieve Independence.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 17:47:33

#367. AM2: You've been on the bebo again or is it myspace, youtube or another blog sights!!!!!

Reading the bebo pages of our teenagers again!!!!!
The wee misslead darling that they are!!!

Happy Beboing!!!!

See you there pal!!!!!

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 17:48:07

For eff's sake, are you guys still at it? You should be watching the golf like any sensible person. Call yourself Scots? Bah.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 17:49:14

#397, Methalions.

If you check the archives you will probably notice a familiar theme.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 17:56:28

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Careful Methalions. Employers are checking out prospective employees on sites such as bebo. You have been warned.

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James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 18:04:38

#410 GOLF - A GOOD WALK SPOILED. That being said.....come on Padraig!!!

AM2 Steady on - I've aggreed with you once. THis may not be habit forming. For example Pete is one of the Scots that I wouldnt break bread with. Not because he is a Unionist - he's simply an erse!

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:06:00

414

Methalions, if that is the case, I say eff 'em all.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:07:56

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James, why do you favour Padraig? Do you have a financial interest? On the Sabbath?

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 18:13:07

402
Scot: Anyone resident in Scotland, irresepective of country of birth, who defines themself as Scottish and is committed to Scotland. And anyone of Scottish descent who defines themself as Scottish.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 18:16:31

#406 frank mcbride

Frank, I think there are other views on Scottish nationality. Here is an extract from Hansard, that demonstrates that the government acknowledges Scottish nationality within the armed forces.

Quote:

Mr. Spellar [pursuant to his reply, 15 March 2000, c.202W]: I regret that, owing to a clerical error, the figure provided for Army personnel of Scottish nationality was incorrect. The correct figure for Army personnel of Scottish nationality should have been 13,121. This does not affect the answers to the other part of the question.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmhansr...

However, I will not be satisfied until my passport says under Nationality: Scottish, instead of the current "British Citizen", and we are a fully independent country.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 18:17:03

Independthingy

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 18:17:29

#413. Walter Ego: Hows that going to work!
I've googled my full name before and you get loads of things which have nothing to do with me!!! My bebo pages doesn't make in to the first page.

Also with Bebo and other sites like it, you can make it so only friends can view!!!!!!

I have nothing incriminating written in mine! They'd need to spend few hours trying to read my blogs I took the curties of NOT to use a spellchecker.

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it has always been allan,

22/07/2007 18:18:27

You are all a lot of squabbling bitches. Face it they got away with it.

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English visitor(just the once),

white cliffs country 22/07/2007 18:20:56

#406#407

You are both believers in "Civic Nationalism" I would suggest. Which is significantly different from "Ethnic Nationalism. This could explain why you answered and others have not. I do not claim the "Scottish nationalist party" has an ethnic Agenda although my contention is,

"Ethnicity" for many "Scottish nationalist party" supporters(Not necessarily members) is "Key" to inclusion within a separate and Independent Scotland.

Whom is in the majority in the "Scottish nationalist party" No doubt in the fullness of time we will all find out.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 18:21:19

Wow I've been on the phone to my brother for over an hour------ and were still off topic. 422 Ms Optimistic, Guess thats me telt then.
Blackpool Loon and Cliffy 398 &399 good post keep them comming

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James,

Dundee 22/07/2007 18:22:16

#420 - I see the signs 'No Irish need apply' are still up in North Dakota
If a Scot cant win then why not a fellow human being!

#419 No and No. Since my wife's Irish I suppose!

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:22:29

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Eve, don't ask me! I don't know how it works but I know that employers are doing it. So you'd better be careful ... .

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 18:23:54

#423. Derick fae Yell: To the BBC, I believe it is!!!
To everyone else it's much bigger cause they claim that their imparcial!!! (Aye right, who do they think there fooling, themselves!!!)

Reading McWhiter take on things kind of made sense to me. If we see the BBC telling these sort of things, What kind of lies are the other media sources, telling us!!!!!!

Remember this one thing: We've all been warned and this NOT the First time & won't be the Last BUT is a warring to us all of what the media is capable of!!!!

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:24:50

420

What a strange post, Ms Optimistic. Are you a hillbilly?

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 18:28:03

#428 Ms. Optimistic, ND

Your ps is a disgrace, and you should think again why you harbour such dislike of an entire people.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 18:31:27

429 English Visitor,
I would sugest it was the civic's were the majority, though just like other parties we have some bampots, though we have fewer of them. However if you want to break it down further then the largest group of SNP members not Scots born is "probably the English of which many represent the party at all levels

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Ms. Optimistic,

ND 22/07/2007 18:32:40

435. Jim P, Netherlands

I've met enough of them to harbor my reasons.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 18:35:51

#438 Ms. Optimistic

I can't stand North Dakotans! Only met one here in this thread, but that's enough to know I can't stand them.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:39:37

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Ms Optimistic, I touched a raw nerve, did I? Bet your favourite film is Deliverance.

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Ms. Optimistic,

ND 22/07/2007 18:40:30

440. Jim P, Netherlands

Now it makes sense about drugs being legal in the Netherlands.

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bill1,

22/07/2007 18:40:46

380. Methalions

Bestest is a word now - google it and see; it'll be in the OED soon.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 18:41:21

#Ms. Optimistic: What are you Optimistic about?

All you manged to say so far is 99.9% pure MINCE.

Yer stereo typing folk and that's no right Pal!!!!!

Is this wear yer from: http://www.nd.gov/?

What on earth were you taught at school/home?

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:41:34

441

Ms Optimistic, nice to see that prejudice is alive and well and living in North Dakota. You are not welcome on this site.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 18:41:59

439 Ms Optimistic,
10,000 Irish died digging the canals of New Orleans. Thousands more on the Union Pacific railroad, like the Scots they have travelled the world making it a better place

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 18:46:46

#442. Ms. Optimistic: yer a bigiot!!!!!!!!!


Someone please remind me what we're supposed to be talking about?

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Ms. Optimistic,

ND 22/07/2007 18:47:27

451. Eve, Scotland

I know you are! What am I?

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:48:32

What's going on? Why argue with each other when we should be battling with Ms Optimistic and her (his?) like? Now I understand how the 2 Bushes got elected.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 18:55:47

453 You are yet another Troll here to disrupt and annoy.

North Dakota My Erse.

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Ms. Optimistic,

Had you all fooled.... Winnepeg - Cda 22/07/2007 18:55:52

Idiots, North Dakota does not have any Bagpipers!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 18:56:29

Ms Optimistic,
whats your answer to post 244

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 18:56:45

Good points about the Irish No. 1

Lots of girls with really red hair. Oh yes
You know it makes sense.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 18:58:04

On the other hand my Personal Englishwoman is brunette. I'll be off now.

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 18:58:41

459

Perhaps not Ms Optimistic, but it sure has at least one super muppet.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 19:09:13

#449 Ms Optimistic

Sir, may I suggest you read the rules of this site:

No trolling. Trolling is used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the members of a Forum. Posts of this nature are disruptive and say deliberately provocative things just to stir up trouble. It's not polite so please don't do it.

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Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 22/07/2007 19:10:50

#467 This is not about the union - do you honestly think Scottish politics is clean?

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:10:58

#453. Ms. Optimistic: You've got a serous problem Pal!!!!!
& NEED SEROUS HELP TOO!!!!!!!


I never mentioned anything about myself & I'm no the one going about throwing insults, stigmas, labels and sterotypeing.

ARE YOU FEELING INSECURE WHEN YOU SAY THE HINGS YOU SAY?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 19:13:40

Blackpool Loon 467,
Whoa ya f8cker, yes here we go real people with real points to make. Unfortunetly I'm with you on all your points, seems it's up to the ex pats to keep this going. The locals are playing wi a dug

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Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 22/07/2007 19:14:28

#470 Ah - I see - anyone you happen to disagree with is a troll? Part of the fun here is debating different points with different posters - I may not always agree with them but then they give as good as they get. Sometimes I am made to think of issues in a different light - sometimes I even learn something that I didn't know.

Real trolls we know and recognise - the best thing is to ignore them if they really are annoying you so much.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 19:17:39

471 Not a Unionist ora Nationalist,
Yes !
unless you are talking about the labour party.

If you can prove otherwise, then do so, what have the fib/dam been up to

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:17:41

#Ms. Optimistic: If you feel so connected with Scotland then why are you so nasty about our relations?

Yes many Scots feel a connection with Ireland!! (Even though we don't all have relations there!!!)

ONLY THE BIGOTS HATE THE IRISH!!!!!!!!!

The rest of us LOVE them!!!!!!!!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 19:21:53

474 Not a Unionist or a Nationalist,

Off topic, but did you ever live in Blackness St

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:22:49

Any way here what the BBC say about the cash for honours thing on Friday, when they talked to an MP about!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6907974.stm

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Miss H,

22/07/2007 19:23:46

It's kind of an odd dscussion this, as it has veered off from the subject to a parallell debate about racism.

As regards racism, I think we are veering into quite muddy waters as well.

I've already said what I think, people do not have to subscribe to the majority values of the country they live in in order to remain in it. but I also am becoming more and more aware that racism and exclusivity are on the rise. The FIFO mentality seems to be increasing - for those who don't know what that means, it means Fit In or **** Off.

For example, I don't know how many of you have been sent that email about Australia - the one that starts IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.
Take it or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Etc etc....

It usually ends with some declaration that Australians have the right idea and we should do the same. I have had this email about 50 times now and sometimes from people I am amazed would send it. In fact I replied to one friend saying yes isn't this ridiculous and she replied back saying no, I agree with every word.

So racism and enforced conformity do seem to be on the rise. AM2 is absolutely right to be concerned about that and I am as well. Where, obviously, I disagree with AM2 is that the SNP or Scottish independence either foment this kind of cultural supremacism or are responsible for it.

In fact, in another SoS story today, which we cannot comment on, the SNP are accused of pandering to Islamic militancy. The person who lauched this attack on the SNP is quoted as saying: 'I'm all for Muslims playing a full role in Scottish life but I think we need to do all we can to question those who just want Muslims to be oppositional and to have international loyalties.'

In other words FIFO. Imagine the sentence re-written 'I'm all for English people playing a full role in Scottish life but I think we need to do al

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mona,

22/07/2007 19:33:07

miss H, trouble is you'll get thugs and bigots saying they belong to the snp,when they don't.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:33:34

#480. Miss H: May be racism is a more bigger concern. Very sad BUT appears to be true.

That folk get away with criminal activities like sell peerages and then any effort there is put in to trying to investigate what went wrong and the Low life bigots come on and show that bigotry is a bigger problem in this country.


So we have the upper class buying any thing and everything and wee have the Low life's spreading their racists views which are, thankful unwelcome by the majority of the Scots on this web sites.

Equality is a 8 letter word that a lot of people need to start learning the meaning off.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 19:33:46

#474 Not A Unionist or Nationalist, Dundee

These are the Scotsman/SoS rules. Can you debate the point made in #481 please?

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Walter Ego,

Durness 22/07/2007 19:34:29

478

Pehman, was it dark in Blackness Street?

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 19:35:02

#474 Not A Unionist or Nationalist, Dundee

Can you debate the points made in #482 and #483?

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mona,

22/07/2007 19:39:18

Ms optimistic. Do you have to be so rude,foul mouthed,and bigoted!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 19:40:30

488 Jim P,
I've reported 483 , let's see how long it takes AM2 to do his job, since he's stopped posting, probablely on a tea break

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 19:42:45

487 Walter Ego,
you've got watch oot fur the Blackness monster

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:42:47

#481. Ms. Optimistic: Your behavior is appalling (I've the token Liberty to report you, Hopefully overs have too)

I respect the Irish as a nation and as individuals. Though I have no relations in Ireland. Like most nationalities.

Were your ancestors orange by any chance?

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mona,

22/07/2007 19:48:59

Eve,maybe us English aren't so bad after all!!!!

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:49:34

#495. The spook in Leith: He's on bebo researching!!!!

I wonder if Lord Levvy has a bebo page!!!!

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Chatanooga,

22/07/2007 19:53:51

483

Yes, those Loyalists have no morals.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 19:58:06

#496. mona: You've Put words in my mouth I've never said anything about the English, in regards to your comment.

I'm a Scot Nat I don't believe in the union, Nothing against the English, was unaware that I had written anything anti-English. I like many have a few English relation, there NOT treated any different. I also had a good friend in uni who was English. And shock horror I voted for an English born MSP on may the 3rd.

In fact I dare you to find one of my past post which is anti English (You wont find one). You'll find anti-union ones though, please don't confuse them.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 19:59:52

#501 Methalions

I got a 300, 400 and 500 the other day.

#491 pehman - Ms Optimistic gone quiet, I think he's fell asleep.

did ye ever check out St Andrew, I believe he is a lecturer in Dundee.

http://members.aol.com/dinnaastme/page3.htm

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:03:03

#500. Methalions: Ta, I 've heard of Golf!!!!

498. The spook in Leith: Did you find Bebo or AM or Lord Levvey?

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English visitor(just the once),

white cliffs country 22/07/2007 20:06:48

#480 MISSH

As an occasional reader of 'The Scotsman' I find the article by 'Eddie Barnes' an appalling example of Journalism.

To just produce an inflammatory polemic by to all extent and purpose a complete unknown. And then portray him as an 'Expert' on the Muslim community. To attack the 'Scottish nationalist party' attempt to reach out to the Muslim community.

Given the present state of tension within the United Kingdom society is the most reprehensible piece of non-reporting I have ever seen.

And that is from a Conservative voting supporter in England

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mona,

22/07/2007 20:07:46

Eve, It was meant as friendly banter,after ms thing and her/his insults. lighten up,life's too short.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:12:30

Hi folks, I'm back.

This Ms Optimistic is that nutcase from the Western Isles who was on last week-end or, the one before.

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Eve,

22/07/2007 20:13:44

#512. mona: OH, I obviousaly I'm prone to miss reading batter.

I suppose that's a problem when your on-line, there's few ways you can read something and when you can't see or hear the person say it then the meanings can be numerous. Well that's my experiences with purely read things any way!!!

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 20:15:07

512. mona

Are you talking about Ms Optimistic's comments?

If so I agree with Eve being way to uptite along with some others. I do agree with some, not all of her comments on the Irish.

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bad'bill,

the donut shop 22/07/2007 20:16:26

donuts, donuts. donuts my kingdom for a donut.

Richard The Donut Seller...by..William shakedonuts


The Bard of Donutsuanle

"LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF DONUTS"

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:16:35

#513. frank mcbride: Oh so they have a problem with the truth as well as perdudece ! That figurees, do think it's one of Tony Blairs Lords?

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:19:59

#516. bad'bill: What you like?
How many have you had the day?

Is it Dunkin donuts the night?

What to you think of the peerage fiasco?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:20:27

#509, Ms Optimistic from the Argentine.

Morphing hasn't helped, has it?

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 20:24:28

#525 Argentine, Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months

Don't be taken in by Ms Optimistic by agreeing to some of the drivvel he posted. He is a troll.

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mona,

22/07/2007 20:25:40

515, think ms optimistic was very rude, there are more polite ways to get your point across.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:26:24

#516, bad'bill.

Do you think you could organise for some of the Peerless person to share your cell?

BTW, good evening.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:26:42

#515. Argentine: What if you hate it there why stay? Is there only 1 flight/ Bought out ever 8months!

I suspect you realy hate the job your doing there?

Most Irish people I've met have been really friendly.

I'm no uptight Just suffering from a wee bit of eye strain. (I know still to find an art shop!!!!)

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 20:28:46

# AM2

"But imagine if you moved to England and were told that you were now English"

However, I have one close friend, born in Helensburgh, moved to England at an early age and considers himself English.

My own children were born in N. Ireland, but consider themselves to be Scottish, taking their nationality from myself and my wife, and by their country of residence.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:30:22

#525, AM2

Don't start again. Pt2 of my #305.

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:31:22

#523. Methalions: That's the command you give your PC when it freezes and gives you the option of closing the PC down. Some times it doesn't work!!!!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 20:34:10

513 Frank,
re ms opti, you think yon fella that was the IRA sniper

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:34:12

#529, Jim P.

Read my post #530.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:37:13

#532, pehman.

Got it in 1. I think he has morphed into Argentine.

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Shamus,

Glasgow 22/07/2007 20:37:15

Tony Blair is probably the greatest PM to date with the exception of Old Winston. Tony sees the world threat of Islam to our freedom. The looney left see it but will get into bed with any fellow dictatorship. I think a wee bit of jealousy might be a problem for the kid on socialists,(PAPES) Sheridan, Galloway,Mullen etc etc. Tony just lifts the phone and gets an audience with old Herman the German Papa when he wants. They have no chance. And Tony aint even a Pape,Yet. Great man Tony.

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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA GU BRATH 22/07/2007 20:37:30

13. frank mcbride, lusitania / 1:59am 22 Jul 2007 AM2.

"When you make any sort of defence for your adopted positions, maybe you will be taken seriously.

Like your inestimable self, I can quote the article but, as in general, the quotes are unattributable, unlike yourself I will refrain as, it is self-serving.

However, your postings reflect your poor grasp of the realities of modern politics, in Scotland, which have moved on from the belief of "we cannae". It has moved on to "maybe we can" and for a great many "of course we can".
I fervently hope that you continue to expouse your viewpoint, as it is a gift to those of us who wish to see an Independent, vibrant, internationalist Scotland.

You are a prime example of what Scotland was and, as such, a wonderful example to those who would have something better."


WELL SAID FRANK THE BEST COMMENT ON HERE BY FAR, YOU HAVE SUMMED THE TROLL UP PERFECTLY :o)

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 20:39:48

528. Eve, Scotland

I work for the Argentine Military Attaché coordinating sales, so that is why I was sent here for 2 years. No, I agree most the Irish people I work with are friendly but are very lazy, I favour more industrious people like the Scots & English.

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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA GU BRATH 22/07/2007 20:40:52

#534. It would fill me with utter revulsion to hear the TROLL say he is Scottish, what a horrible thought.
He is a bitter wee Irishman with a no surrender view of the Union, because it begat him.

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 20:43:20

536. Shamus, Glasgow

I wish Nestor Kirchner had the balls like Blair.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:44:36

#534, Argentine.

"As ah was walkin' doon the road ah met a coo a bull begoad". W MacGonigall.

The strange beast was an Angus (called Hector) frae Argentina.

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bad'bill,

the donut shop 22/07/2007 20:45:10

#519 EVE

"What to you think of the peerage fiasco?"

They are a load of donut's all of em!


Here's my price list..


1 donut=O.BE
2 donut=M.B.E
3 donut=knighthood
4donut=lord
5 donut=baron

13 donut=King of Scotland

now I'm off to have a donut on toast.

gooddonutnight!!!!

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 20:46:31

#533 frank

That about describes it!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 20:46:33

535 Frank,
no I still think AM2, who was absent both times

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 20:46:46

I visited Belfast last January and was impressed with the people.

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 20:49:38

541. frank mcbride

You made me home sick again!!!! I really miss the meats from home. Back home I cut my steaks with a fork.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 20:54:38

#548 Argentine

Ma maw wid never eat corned beef, efter the corned beef fae Wm Low of Dundee poisoned a' they fowk in Aberdeen, back in 1964. She never went tae Argentina efter that, or Dundee.

What's this thread a' aboot, onywey?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 20:54:54

#538, Argentine.

Is your speciality used sniper rifles?

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Eve,

Scotland 22/07/2007 20:57:09

#538. Argentine: Is this who you work for?

http://www.mil.be/is/subject/index.asp?LAN=en&FILE=&a...

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 20:59:11

543 AM2,
so you think a mosque in the divis is out of the question

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:02:57

#543, AM2.

Good heavens, will you never stop! Pt2 #305

Miss H, please read my #305 with respect to AM2's comments.

He has diverted this thread for his own purposes.

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:03:26

549. Jim P

Como?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:03:34

552 SPOOK, the tay the tay the silvery tay, it flows past the dockyard everyday

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Shamus,

Glasgow 22/07/2007 21:03:59

Hello Argentine,546.

I visited Belfast on 12 July and was even more impressed. So beat that!

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:04:35

550. frank mcbride, lusitania

Made from the best melted down Battleships.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:08:51

#555, The spook..............

I don't think so, but, I believe he wrote about a few fallen peerages up Dundee way.

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:09:15

551. Eve, Scotland

I have no idea who he is but the address in BA is correct, yes.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 22/07/2007 21:11:12

AM2 is Scottish, on my definition above.

Welcome aboard!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:15:46

#558, pehman.

Are you on a voyage of reDiscovery?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:16:53

563 Frank, yeah yeah good one

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:17:41

#561 and #501 Methalions / 10:07pm

Ye're awa tae yer kip? An here's us writing a' this pish so's ye could make it a 400, 500 and 600.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:19:51

569 Frank, naw am doon the unicorn

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Eve,

22/07/2007 21:25:17

#564. Argentine: I don't no what your on about "BA"!!!!

Any way, I'm wee bit sleepy and am about to fall asleep at ma PC, so am way to bed.

Night all!!!!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:26:26

#565, AM2.

Refer to Pt5, #305 - conflate, diverge.

#567. Refer to Pt2 - outrage.

You are continuing to do a grand job.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:26:36

I was never in the Tay Bridge Bar in Dundee but I heard it was a great pub. Michael Marra sang aboot Frida Kahlo's visit there.

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Eve,

22/07/2007 21:26:47

573. The spook in Leith: exciting stuff, though I can hardly keep my eyes open long enoght.

Night all & good luck for hiting the 600 post.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:27:22

573 Spook, tried to post several blanks to make up nos. it disnae work

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:28:36

#573 spook

I remember before the elections we could hit the thoosand.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:29:39

576 Jim P, aye jim aw the dock side bars are braw pubs

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:30:04

574. Eve

BA = Buenos Aires

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:30:41

Buy a title, buy a title - Q up here!!!

http://www.regaltitles.com/

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:31:48

580 JimP, Election night itself I think we hit 2000

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:32:07

#572, pehman.

Only a journey of Discovery, then. BTW, can you see those fallen peerages from where you are?

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:33:05

night night folks am aff ana

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:33:18

#584 pehman

Was that includin AM2's?

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:35:03

Hey, it's half eleven in Netherlands, so a'm aff tae ma scratcher. Hiv tae polish ma tackety boots for ma work. Good luck wi the 600.

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:35:17

585 Frank, am in sussex frank nr Brighton, aboot as far fae Dundee as its poss to get but still b in uk

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:35:34

Can you spare 50p

In Mulligan's bar, the young Salvation Army girl placed the collection box under the nose of Mick Donovan and asked:

'Can you spare fifty pence for God?'

'How old are you?' asked Mick.

Twenty-four,' she replied.

'Well, I'm sixty-eight, I'll see him before you do. I'll pay him meself

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:36:58

588 JimP, Aye jim I believe it was

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:36:59

#577, Eve.

Nite, nite. You're peerless.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:37:31

I think camp zeist here in Netherlands is my closest point in Scotland. It's our on the road tae Arnhem.

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:38:12

Two Irish ladies were on a bus and one said: 'And do you know he put his hand right up my skirt.'

And the other replied: 'Not the green one with the floral pattern?'

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:38:29

Tot ziens!

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:39:57

Things that only the illogical Irish would say:

'You three are a right pair if ever I saw one!'

'How come every time you ring a wrong number it's never engaged?'

'Spread out in a bunch.

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:40:40

# Spook - you go for the 600!

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pehman,

sussex 22/07/2007 21:41:25

596 G/night jim and all

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:41:43

Bejasus, spook ye were quicker than my electrons coming doon the wire. May the sunshine on Leith!

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Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 21:42:09

CU

Jimmy

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:43:27

Mick Flaherty had supped more Guinness than enough and had stumbled out of Quinn's bar and into the Sunday afternoon air.

As his drunken eyes squinted to adjust to the light, an ambulance went by at great speed. Blue lights flashing and siren blaring, it roared up the street with Mick in full flight running after it.

A hundred yards, 200, 300, almost a quarter of a mile he tracked it until suddenly, lungs and legs giving out, he fell into the gutter.

Then with his very last ounce of breath he roared: 'You can keep your damned ice cream!'

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Argentine,

Stuck in Dublin for another 8 months 22/07/2007 21:47:01

So Murphy had been greeted by the stunning news that he was to become a father for the first time. Jumping with joy, he couldn't wait to go out and celebrate with his pals. But first he must tend to the needs of his lovely wife Kate.

'Now my darling, I'm just popping along the road for a few minutes. Is there anything you'd like while I'm out?'

'Yes Pat,' said Kate. 'I'd like you to buy some snails. I just fancy cooking them in garlic butter tonight. So don't be long will you?'

Till be back before you know it,' promised Pat, full of good intentions.

Two hours later, bag of snails in hand, he was still propping up Mooney's bar and wetting the baby's head for the umpteenth time. Finally he decided to do the right thing and bade farewell to his pals and stumbled out into the night. Weaving from side to side, he eventually reached his house and tottered up towards the door. Sadly, in trying to get his keys out of his pocket, he dropped the bag of snails and 'crack' it split open on the step scattering snails everywhere.

The noise woke Kate who opened the bedroom window and shouted down:

'What's going on? Where have you been all this time?'

Murphy looked down at the snails, clapped his hands and said:

'Come on lads - we're nearly home!'

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:47:55

#590, pehman.

you're a damn sight closer to those fallen peerages than most of us!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 21:56:26

#600, Spook.

Are you MI5? Spookieeeeee.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/07/2007 22:01:43

#612, The spook.............

Easy peasy!

"When the moon is roon an' fair,
The fishes swim frae Troon tae Ayr.
But, when the moon is fair an' roon,
They swim back doon frae Ayr tae Troon." W.MacGonnigal.

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Suck-McCrunchie,

Doomster Hill 23/07/2007 02:10:13

"MPs to question Blair over cash for honours"

'So how much then tony for a knighthood for me and a peerage for the misses?'

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GM,

23/07/2007 09:25:00

@167

approx £700,000 gets you the knighthood.

Peerage for the missus? £1m *guarantees* it


 

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