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Published Date:
26 August 2007
SNP ministers are calling on Westminster to rapidly transfer control over airgun law to Holyrood so the weapons can be banned north of the Border.
Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill is to write to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith proposing that a "legislative framework" be established so that the Scottish Parliament is given powers to legislate on the weapons.

Scottish politicians of all
parties have said they want to devolve the powers, in the wake of several high-profile crimes involving the weapons, giving them the chance to enact tough restriction on owning air guns.

The murder of Liverpool schoolboy Rhys Jones was not committed with an airgun, but it has placed renewed focus on the growing problem of gun crime.

In Scotland, three people have been killed and 1,154 injured over the past eight years by air gun pellets. The statistics include the recent murder in Glasgow of two-year-old Andrew Morton. MSPs were presented with an 11,000-signature petition in March demanding an all-out ban.

Ministers in Edinburgh and Westminster have already met to discuss shifting powers of airguns to Holyrood, with the Home Office having given a "sympathetic" response to the plan.

MacAskill is now calling for a timetable to be set in place so that legislative moves can happen quickly.

Ministers here are also to consider requests from the police to toughen up the laws on gun crime if necessary.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said: "While unconnected to the recent murder of Rhys Jones in Liverpool, that horrific act nonetheless gives added significance to the desire of Scottish ministers to move forward in the area of airgun and other weapons-related crime, and the broader weapons culture in Scotland."

Ministers argue that airgun crime is of particular concern in Scotland following a sharp increase in incidents in recent years. New UK-wide laws have increased the age limit for ownership to 18, outlawed the sale of airguns at car boot sales and other outlets not regulated by police, and tightened the law on firing air weapons from private property.

But families affected by crimes in Scotland argue that only a total ban will suffice.

A spokesman for the First Minister added: "There has been constructive dialogue between Scottish ministers and their Westminster counterparts on enabling the Scots Parliament to lay a framework for a consolidated Firearms Act designed for Scottish needs and circumstances.

He added: "This is an area where we would like to secure progress as soon as possible, as we would wish early legislation, and the response has been understanding and sympathetic."

Any change is likely to be contained within a new Firearms Act. The spokesman said: "There is a need to put in place a modern and readily enforceable system with a greater emphasis on public safety, and deal with the particular problem of air weapons crime in Scotland."

The plans were supported by Scottish Secretary Des Browne, who said: "We are aware of the issues raised by Scottish ministers and, while our discussions with the Scottish Executive remain at an early stage, our priority is to work with them and other devolved administrations to ensure communities throughout the UK are protected from gun crime."

Figures earlier this year showed the number of air weapons held on licence in 2006 was 594, up from 574 in 2005. However, this only covers the most dangerous airguns and the majority need no official papers.



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  • Last Updated: 25 August 2007 6:42 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Airguns
 
1

Lindsey, Glasgow,

26/08/2007 00:23:17

All very well........... but what about Spud Guns ?

My wee brother almost had my eye out....

2

Lindsey, Glasgow,

26/08/2007 00:25:14

A little potato bullet in the eye is no laughing matter.....

3

Parking Permit,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 03:36:41

More Nonsense. Get the criminals not the innocent users and sportsmen and women who use air guns responsibly. The existing laws are quite clear and very stringent. What it needs is proper policing and for the courts to impose proper sentences on anyone who commits any act of violence be it with a knife or a gun.
Anyone who thinks a ban will work is an idiot. After all all 'handguns' were banned after Dunblane and yet we now have more gun crime than ever committed with these banned weapons.

4

mr chips,

26/08/2007 07:17:52

Mackaskil thinks it is easier to introduce a new law rather than enforcing an existing law, drop the clatty jamieson soundbites kenny, we had enough
new laws introduced by the labour bully,s
tougher sentencing is the answer.

5

Boy Wonder,

26/08/2007 07:49:53

Sod waiting on Westminster to "give" us the right to ban airguns. Just DO the bloody thing and have done with! It's OUR country and if we say airguns will be banned, why wait for "permission" from London??

This just another stupid wiating game London like to play with anyone North of the Watford Gap!!

6

WestCoastBiggles,

26/08/2007 08:38:45

Totally agree with #3. They should enforce the existing legislation rather than add new legislation.

The ban on handguns hasn't stopped gun crime just stopped law abiding users from pursuing a hobby.

Why not ban cars, after all they kill hundreds every year. How about kitchen knives, they must be responsible for hundreds. Ban ban ban - when will they ever learn banning doesn't work. Effective sentencing and policing would be much better.

There are thousands of law abiding owners out there who will be penalised by a ban on airguns.

7

shivago8,

livingston 26/08/2007 08:39:30

Why do we need guns,guns kill people,guns, should only be in the hands of people who need them,ie,the military,culling of animals etc.why wont the government take them off the street,close the gun shops,stop the illegal weapons coming into the country.What are they frightened off.

8

Lord of All Mordor,

Nokia River 26/08/2007 08:42:58

Ban it - the bleat of the bigot.

Enforce existing laws. That's the answer.

It doesn't seem to occur to them that an enterprising Scot will still be able to own airguns - quite legally despite their ban !

9

Fat Freddys Cat,

26/08/2007 08:47:21

the only 'hobbies' to do with airguns are -

shooting at passers by for a laugh,
shooting at firefighters for a laugh,
shooting farm animals for a laugh,
shooting garden birds for a laugh,
shooting each other for a laugh,
shooting swans for a laugh,
shooting cats for a laugh,
shooting dogs for a laugh,
etc
etc
etc

10

WestCoastBiggles,

26/08/2007 08:50:40

FFC, really? what about:

Target Shooting - used to be a club at Meadowbank and clubs throughout Scotland.
Vermin Shooting - keeping rabbits and rats down on a farm.

Don't lump the legitimate user with the Ned.

11

JG,

Fife 26/08/2007 08:53:14

We already have perfectly adequate laws for nearly everything in this country - the problem is we're not enforcing them. I've heard on TV over the last couple of days how this poor wee lad probably wasn't the target of the cretin who killed him. I can hear the defence lawyer now offering up a manslaughter plea - "he didn't mean to shoot him m'lud - he was aiming at somebody else". No - you take out a gun and shoot somebody, it's murder, plain and simple. We seriously need to stop being so lenient.

12

Fat Freddys Cat,

26/08/2007 08:58:50

I'd love to see someone taking down rats on a farm with an air rifle...

rabbits, well, it can be done - I've done it myself, but somehow I dont see many people with air rifles tramping over farmland looking for rabbits to shoot.

your sport uses a weapon that has been usurped by neds and idiots.

If you need an air rifle for sport, then fine, keep them locksafe at the club - anyone seen in public with an air rifle (without lawful excuse) can then be prosecuted, and banning their sale or private ownership will over time reduce their numbers in the wrong hands.

I've got 2 rifles myself.

There can be *no denying* that neds use them for fun shooting at any inanimate object on a daily basis.

13

Hambo,

26/08/2007 09:15:32

#11
In which case arrest and prosecute the "neds" and when found guilty give them a very long sentence as a deterrent. Zero tolerance crime but 100% tolerance for law abiding people to enjoy air gunning.

14

Keke,

The windy part of Aberdeenshire 26/08/2007 09:53:38

Why wait for westminster .... just ban them.

15

Geomac,

Scotland 26/08/2007 13:41:48

Yawn - here's the Scottish parly at its best - ban this, ban that. Surely the best thing to do is to apply the laws relating to guns which already exist - or is that too difficult?
Just remember that the banning of handguns resulte in even more illegal handguns in the hands of those intent on evil. As ever the innocent handgun owner (sport) and airgun owner(killing vermin, sport) will be th ones to lose out.
I thought that we lived in a liberal democracy where the rights of all were respected - seemingly not. The law abiding majority will again be the ones to be affected.

16

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17

Prester John,

Pots_n_pans 26/08/2007 18:18:52

11, That's how I started. We shot rats down a well on the piggery where I worked. Once very two or three weeks we opened the well cap and we shot at least 100 rats per session. Two of us - one with a .22 rifle and one with an air rifle.

If we missed a session the number of rats around the farm and the village multiplied very fast. Presumably, that;s what the ban-it brigade want - a proliferation of vermin.

We are already seeing more urban foxes living in my area. Hail, the all-seeing, omnipotent and omniscient MSPs !!!!

18

Prester John,

Pots_n_pans 26/08/2007 18:23:56

11.

That's because the shooting syndicates use shotguns and .22 rifles to control rabbits. They pay the farmer for the right to control vermin on his land - unless he gives them free access (lucky so-and-sos).

I have the rights on a quarry in the Borders and I use an air rifle. It's quieter, cheaper and I get more rabbits than if I used a shotgun or a .22 rifle.

19

Prester John,

Pots_n_pans 26/08/2007 18:28:38

11.

That's how I started. Once, every tow or three weeks, we would take off the well cap on the piggery where we worked.

We used to shoot between 50 and 100 rats per session. One of us had a rifle, the other an air rifle.

If we missed a week or two the number of rats in the steading (and the village too) would be a lot higher.

No doubt, that's what the ban-it brigade want: a proliferation of vermin.

20

SouthernSkye,

26/08/2007 20:13:09

Rats, rabbits, woodies, feral pigeon, carrion crows/hoodies. Air-rifle is the best weapon for these.
22 rim-fire is too powerful and a 12 guage too much scatter.
Problem is pure n simple (as others state): enforce existing laws and crack down on the mindless dole-scrounging townies who spend their pointless lives sucking at the teat of social handouts.

21

Murray in Canada,

26/08/2007 21:04:52

If everybody wants a ban, why can't it happen next week?

22

Allan(handofgod137),

26/08/2007 22:50:44

#20 Thats because the only people who want a ban are the politicians who depend on soundbites and knee jerk reactions rather than examining a problem and finding a solution, and the interfering busybodies who can't stand to see people enjoying themselves. The latter group tend to vote for the former, and the press pick up on a vocal minority, because printing stories about how the system fails to enforce the existing legislation fills more pages than simply pointing our yet more failings in the legal system.

23

Suck--McCrunchie.,

http://www.stirlingpark.net for public contracts? 26/08/2007 23:37:41

I have always wondered if the ban was intended for all airguns or just unlicensed ones.

The ones available to adults have a limit of 12ftlbs for rifles and 6ftlbs for pistols. However with a FAC they can go up to about 70ftlbs and fire .25 pellets just under the speed of sound.

24

Brandon the airgun champion,

Canada 30/08/2007 13:42:47

23# We need guns for hunting , recreational sports , self protection , and home defense .

Without them , there would be more chaos than you could ever imagine and criminals are the problem , not law abiding citizens .

Tougher penalties , zero tolerance for gun crimes , and more policing will be effective , it will help!

25

Brandon the airgun champion,

Canada 30/08/2007 13:58:46

Here in Canada , this is the process of getting an airgun :

- The purchaser must be 18+

- The purchaser must show I.D to prove that he or she is 18 if they look below the age.

Only two simple steps to getting one here and the laws are very strict , you can be fined or face heavy jail time if you abuse it.

The airgun laws here may be lax but we have very tough laws for gun crimes.


 

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