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Published Date: 04 January 2009
CARRY on glamping. Holidaymaking in a tent is no longer just the province of students, outdoor enthusiasts or the financially disadvantaged.
It's being tipped by travel experts to be one of the hottest travel trends of 2009, albeit sleeping out under canvas has gone decidedly upmarket.

Glamping – or glamorous camping – is increasing in popularity for those who want to get close to n
ature, but still enjoy some luxuries. According to a survey by the Association of British Travel Agents (Abta) the travel trade body, bookings for camping holidays have surged by 10%, fuelled by the credit crunch and a desire for cheaper, but no less comfortable, vacations both at home and abroad.

"The new fad for posh camping – with built-in bathrooms and pot-bellied stoves – has captured the zeitgeist for frugality and outside living," said spokeswoman Frances Tuke.

Abta believes the move to glamping will be one of the biggest changes in the new recession-hit travel market, but other trends are also emerging. It is forecasting a huge surge in visits to the United States following the election of the country's first black president, Barack Obama. Kenya, where the president-elect's father was born, is also expected to feature on a new Obama trail.

Recent surveys reveal people are reluctant to give up their holidays but, as they are cutting back, glamping is coming into fashion. Last year, membership of the Camping and Caravanning Club, which runs 100 camp sites, leapt by 50,000.

Tented camps in destinations such as Africa are particularly in vogue. Francis Naumann, spokesman for Edinburgh-based Africa specialist Aardvark Safaris, said: "The general trend is cutting out the bling.

"Tented camps tend to be cheaper than luxury lodges, but these are not traditional tents. In places like the Central Kalahari in Botswana these are tents on wooden platforms with viewing decks and plenty of space inside. They are pretty much permanent structures."

Gloria Ward, of The Ultimate Travel Company, says holidaymakers are often in search of a wilderness experience. "But when they get to their remote destination they find there is no electricity, no plumbing … then they are not so sure. These trips (to upmarket tented camps] make it possible to have that sense of going back to nature whilst still being comfortable."

But glamping can come at a price. Some companies offer camping in the Moroccan Sahara for £1,000 a week while a 3-night stay at the Abu Elephant Camp in Botswana, will set you back £4,395.

In Scotland, the Feather Down farm at Tyninghame, East Lothian, offers tents with double beds, wooden floors and a woodburning stove for around £245 for a weekend.





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  • Last Updated: 03 January 2009 7:46 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Credit Crunch
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/01/2009 00:17:49


Brilliant Idea!

Show these Holiday Companies, that were just in the News, increasing their rates by over 10%, We Don't Need Them!
What Greed Indeed!, the blame the Euro!

Tell you something though!

They are 'Dogmatic' and 'Arrogant!, their time for fall will come!


2

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 04/01/2009 00:20:29
"In Scotland, the Feather Down farm at Tyninghame, East Lothian, offers tents with double beds, wooden floors and a woodburning stove for around £245 for a weekend"

That kind of defeats the whole purpose of camping out in nature. What happened to the good old days when when we were kids carting around a 2 or 3 man tent on our backs? Those were the days my friend.
3

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04/01/2009 08:08:58
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Douglas,

Bathgate 04/01/2009 09:29:45
Much cheaper to go "glossing". That's turning up at the door of a better off relative and dossing.
5

JT,

04/01/2009 11:07:53
Im sure you will be able to get two weeks in the sun for £245. Its realy a no brainer two weeks in the sun for the same price as a week in this country where you may see the sun (through the midges and rain).
6

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 04/01/2009 13:30:29
I think most of us adults have had just about enough of roughing it in freezing rain and cold winds and bravely making a run for it to the nearest toilet block!

The Feather Down offering seems to be caravan without wheels and you could probably buy one of these for not much more, although from past experience I wouldn't recommend that either!
7

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04/01/2009 16:14:29
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8

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 04/01/2009 20:47:00
just have a day here and a day there in scotland or uk,why shovel money on a trip abroad to be fleeced,get gut rot and run faster to the toilet than roger bannister
but there lies the prob £245 for a camping holiday?,does that include a butler?
better still get to a camping store(no lord mandilson theres no rent boys there)and buy your own tent and gear,and head off into the highlands of scotland
plus you can use the gear year after year
9

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05/01/2009 00:13:54
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10

billengland,

05/01/2009 09:36:33
9 Carolyn 1

Neat that cache thingy!

How do you do it?
11

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 12:24:24
@11
in Googles attempt to patent and own everything ever put in print they capture pages periodically, or a less paranoid version would be they capture pages periodically as part of doing business. In my trying to make final decisions for my next research project, yesterday morning, as a possible subject, I Googled Hobson Choice, and stored the links that interested me; included was the Muslim article and its comments. It's not rocket science, altho I wish it were because I could triple my income.
That it does not include the last few comments, obviously the Scotsman took the page down before the next Google shot. Once a page is static it's static in perpetuity.
12

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/01/2009 12:40:18
Carolyn/CJ

So, you are accusing me of editing the comments? Does that not seem bizarre to you when all and sundry can easily see that of the comments I copied none were edited in any shape or form?

As to the notion of "us" trolling this site, how absurd. I simply raised perfectly valid questions for you and Lynne to answer and you failed to do that. You couldn't answer my questions because you would have to admit to being wrong.

I comment on many articles that remain intact, with comments. However, when you and Lynne USA make comments on Israeli policy and people like me fire back at you, the thread's comments either develop a red rash or are pulled completely. That happens whether I comment or not. You are the constant in the equation, CJ, not I.

As for the "wodka" tasting of "picked raspberries";I would lay off that if I were you as it seems to allow seepage. Yes, the Scotsman's need for business is the foundation fo its reason to pull any comments that are in any way anti-Israeli foreign policy. If that doesn't frighten you, the "wodka" must be great, whether tasking of raspberries, picked or unpicked.
13

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05/01/2009 13:19:09
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14

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 13:20:13
@13

Schizophrenic, Finnking, you're bordering irrational schizophrenia.

In your mind, it was perfectly valid that you edited the comments, and deleted my link in #9 ...
proof in itself that you and your gang are the ones who do the deleting.

Here is the link again, although I doubt anyone cares:

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Muslims-thrown-off-plane-after.4840604.jp
if that does not work:

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:kB__saabHeMJ:news.scotsman.com/world/Muslims-thrown-off-plane-after.4840604.


And, for what it's worth, any logical person would conclude the comments being deleted happen whether I comment or not.
I frequently have mountains of work and go for weeks just skimming headlines, or not reading this paper or making comments so how would I even know enough to make a judgment as to if, or why the deletions occur.
The cj comment is further proof of your desire for revenge. It's Predictable, and sad. Truly.

As for why I don't answer comments, usually I do, but I live in real life in real time and was at a party that night, albeit inebriated by 7:00. I have a real job, a real family and real commitments that just don't coincide with your need to grill me on a thread that is at best temporary posting in a different time zone.
15

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 13:42:27
If you care so much about your cause, why don't you pursue it with honesty instead of lies.

Furthermore, as more proof that you are the one who deletes whatever displeases y u, I am BANNED and BURNED from your site!!!! How would I be able to come up with YOUR "tinyurl" which you posted in comment #14 pretending it was the link I posted ????
Hahahaha

Finnking, with this irrational thinking of yours even the fifth graders would laugh you off the bus.
16

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 13:58:54
Carolyn 1 come over and comment and stop lying.
17

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:00:55
I have posted articles on Israel and the Palestinians so you can, put your money where your mouth is.
I'm sure we could get FK not to keep you out if you watch your language.
18

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:03:53
The deletion policy on the Scotsman is too bad but necessary for them; however the articles can have comments elsewhere for those wishing to be heard.
19

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:07:14
Carolyn 1 if you are interested we will talk about it.
20

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:08:03
I for one welcome your comments as long as they don't go over the edge and stay on point.
21

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:09:15
I would like to see posters that have dropped out because of all the deletions have a forum they can use without fear of being deleted all the time.
22

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:09:48
Well carolyn 1 what do you say?
23

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:12:10
I have always loved posting on the Scotsman and feel very badly that it has degraded to all deletions so it is no longer feasible. It's not their fault so go to a site where you can comment unabated.
24

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:12:56
I have copied this so I can post in the other thread since I am sure I will be deleted.
25

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:17:17
Carolyn 1 if you are really so upset with FK why don't you skip his comments and answer the others, I wonder why. Are you hung up on FK only. He is a powerful voice but that should not stop you. hit on me for a change.
26

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 14:35:00
Cute, RP, you saying I'm not lying. Sweet,actually, considering the above lie Finnking just posted.

As for commenting, sorry, RP I'm too busy kicking my dog. And besides, really,!! in between my coffee breaks I do have real work to do - I'm on a crunch schedule due to my procrastination indecisionitist - and now I have less than two weeks to come up with 3-4 projects and have the foundational research completed so the projects can be approved. I'm a science guy slash art historian slash publisher working on an advanced degree in urbanization hoping to change the way this government makes decisions, pretty wacky combo but it works for me. Nothing over there on your brainwashed site links to that, or interests me or works for me: I also think the dog died what with the revenge and all
27

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/01/2009 14:39:44
Carolyn says

"Finnking, with this irrational thinking of yours even the fifth graders would laugh you off the bus."

Mmmm.....interesting....

"How would I be able to come up with YOUR "tinyurl" which you posted in comment #14 pretending it was the link I posted ????"

a) I never said you did or should "come up with" the tinyurl I posted.
b)The url to which you refer was posted at 7 originally.
c) I never "pretended" it was the link you posted.

"Furthermore, as more proof that you are the one who deletes whatever displeases y u, I am BANNED and BURNED from your site!!!!"

Yes, you are banned from the FH site and with good cause. You accused FH members of being nazis and you insisted on having your own comments (and others) deleted by the mods there. Think about that, CJ. Remember what I said about seepage?

"Hahahaha"

Yes, exactly.

"If you care so much about your cause, why don't you pursue it with honesty instead of lies."

You and anyone else can see the deleted comments and your own bizarre comment from above at the tinyurl that I have already posted twice. Think what Kafka would say to your own lack of logic, CJ.

"albeit inebriated by 7:00"

An early start, even for you, no?
28

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05/01/2009 14:41:14
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29

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:47:26
I suppose Carolyn 1 that means you do not have the balls to debate with grown-ups. Sorry about your dog, I'm really blown away you remembered my comment, what point is with the deletions regardless of who is really responsible would be moot on the other site. I would like to give you and other posters the opportunity to post with impunity and the only way to prove this is to do it. You van rant and rave all you want but the proof lies in the doing not just rhetoric. The INTERNET give you the ability to comment unchallenged and I want to give others that ability.
As I have said I don't blame the Scotsman for deletions.
30

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 14:50:41
Sorry Carolyn1 I have been outvoted and you remain off the site because of you previous behaviour. Sorry I tried but you are too much of a burden.
31

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:11:15
Finnking: The commen:

Imagine my surprise at Carolyn's ramblings at 9 being pulled! Now, I wonder who would do that? Certainly not I as I find that deleting ramblings only serve the interest of the rambler. So, to ensure that nobody thinks I deleted her post, here it is in full:

http://tinyurl.com/88sojp
--------------------------------------

Therein is the lie. It would have been impossible for me to have known that piece of tinyurl information. RP's comment at 31 verifies it.

As I stated previously, if you care so much about something, why not just pursue it heart and soul with honesty, and in that way, make something of it of which you can be proud. If you have to hide in the shadows life is not worth living and your work was not worth doing.

As to what Kafka would have said, I already wrote that in my comment under Darfur. One of the best pieces of work he wrote was In the Penal Colony.
32

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:21:19
@31


Ahh geee RP, I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that, because all you guys brag to everyone about the free speech over there.
As I said earlier at 27, thanks but no thanks.
But it is ironic, is it not, that I'm banned from a blog, for a second time, even though I specifically said I didn't want to blog there!!

As for your assertion that I'm so mean I kick my dog, it hurt me deeply, and you would not apologize: you can frame it and hang that one on the wall as an accomplishment as it takes a lot to hurt me; suffice to say, my family still does medical research despite your disapproval
33

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/01/2009 15:22:17
Er, CJ, slight logic problem there.....

"It would have been impossible for me to have known that piece of tinyurl information."

How would it be impossible for you, CJ, to read a comment visible to all and in the English language?

You can access that article all you want at the FH site. Your name is banned but a) you can look and b)you can create another ID and comment (sure, if we find out it's you, your new id will be banned too due to your seriously disruptive behaviour on FH, but your comments will stand).

"If you have to hide in the shadows life is not worth living and your work was not worth doing."

So it seems.Never had that problem myself but I accept your view of your experiences.

34

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:24:52
When not allowing free speech, and banning people, sometimes to the extent of erasing their words as if they never existed, - I have often said that when hitler banned authors, writers, scholars and academics, etc, and banned their publications and books, it served to edit history in that particular time and place, and within the area of his authority, and for his own purpose.
But, in reality, he did not have control beyond the reach of his army of enablers, no one does. In his attempt to deprive the world of their future art and ideas, it merely shifted their ideas and words to be read elsewhere.
In the end, ultimately, it was the machinery that Hitler created to kill those he wanted to delete that sought such a perfection it caused his death as well.
35

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:25:04
The same can be said for groups such as "Freehoo/n" which proclaim the importance of free speech, but only when its speech with which they agree...and will go to great extent to get even with those who disagree
36

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 15:34:16
Carolyn 1-CJ absolute nonsense. I seldom agree with you but welcome your comments. As far as erasing something a part is also nonsense I would never do that and FK would not either as the jist of your comment is worth commenting on. I have agreed with you on occasion and said so.
My aim is not to stifle any idea or comment just the opposite. If you really believe in your cause/comments you need to put them where they can be seen and not deleted. Please CJ stop all the tirades and comment properly. This has certainly gotten too personal which takes away from content. You keep avoiding commenting on a site where your comments will be posted without deletion.
37

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:35:49
@34
Ummm, sweetie, my post was deleted at #9, and if you read these posts you notice their reference to cache:

10 Cutty Sark,
Scotland 05/01/2009 07:18:01
#9 Carolyn 1

The cache does not show ALL comments: 134-138 are missing.


11 billengland,
05/01/2009 09:36:33
9 Carolyn 1

Neat that cache thingy!

How do you do it?



---- (odd language for him, and I doubt if it's bill..)

So O'Great Logical One,
Where is the CACHE in the tinyurl. which you posted as mine!!

compare:

yours:
http://tinyurl.com/88sojp
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Mine:

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:kB__saabHeMJ:news.scotsman.com/world/Muslims-thrown-off-plane-after.4840604.
38

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 15:35:55
Oh BTW CJ if you feel I did not apologise for the dog comment here it is again, I apologise for referring to your kicking the dog.
39

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/01/2009 15:43:14
Er CJ, it was you who wanted comments on Fh deleted. You specifically asked to have them removed. Your disruptive behaviour was the reason you were banned from FH, a site that you actually left prior to being banned.

Hitler, like many others, was hiding truth.

How about, in the spirit for the desire for truth you seem to have, you stating, clearly, here that you want me to produce all your comments from FH on one single page? I have asked you this before but you failed to answer.

It will take some time, opening up the server etc, but I can easily dig out all your comments on FH, including the offensive ones and the ones where you ask for comments to be deleted. Happy to oblige you, Carolyn.

So, you want all and sundry to see you FH comments? Yes or no?
40

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 15:44:34
Seeing how only stupid people teach, (your opinion, not mine) I'm off to pursue excessive amounts of stupidity. To the future...
41

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/01/2009 15:47:50
For someone who seems at one with cache system you appear a tad dim about urls. The tinyurl I have posted here simply directs you to page where your removed comment is available to all, including you.

Red herrings again for tea or simply incapable of reading?

42

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 15:57:47
Carolyn1 - Cj you really have not addressed my question about you commenting on the other site. If you really feel as strongly as you do about your cause I would think you would welcome the ability to comment unabated without deletion. What's your problem now Cj? All impediments can be removed, what else would you desire?
43

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 16:09:27
Carolyn1 I have always been pro Israel on most things but in this case it seems to be counter productive. There must be other ways of silencing Hamas and the Rockets at this point.
44

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 16:12:05
Carolyn 1 I was told the cutty Sark does not mind having you.
45

sandy,

USA 05/01/2009 17:01:39
36 Carolyn 1

"The same can be said for groups such as "Freehoo/n" which proclaim the importance of free speech, but only when its speech with which they agree...and will go to great extent to get even with those who disagree"

It appears the only person wanting to get even is you, cj...Your comments suggest that, but why?

Perhaps if you were to agree to Finnking's proposal at #40, all posters and readers of this thread, and others on the Scotsman, will then see that your statement above is untrue...

46

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 05/01/2009 18:25:10
Cj, why the axe all the time, what is gained. You have singlehanded hurt the Scotsman. People are fed up with trying to post only to get deleted all the time. At least another fora is open to them.
47

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 22:42:22
Finnking @13 As for the "wodka" tasting of "picked raspberries";I would lay off that if I were you as it seems to allow seepage. "
>>Seepage?? I drink very, very rarely, but since my daughter just turned 21 someone brought us raspberry vodka, and so we celebrated on New Years. Since I drink so rarely, I was drunk quickly.<<<

"That happens whether I comment or not. You are the constant in the equation, CJ, not I."
>>> I don't comment often enough to be constant. I am not Lynne<<<

RP @17
No thank you, and I don't lie.
@18. "...so you can, put your money where your mouth is.." >>I don't have any money, remember, I'm stupid.<<<
"...we can get FK not to keep you out if you watch your language...." >>> Ah, so it's Finnking who runs the farm... and Yea right, me stop cursing? haha<<<

@19,20,21,21,22,23,24,25. >>Thanks but no thanks. But, what I'm sure with winter coming on, and lots of people laid off and feeling miserable, you'll find new recruits to chat with.
@26
"Carolyn 1 if you are really so upset with FK why don't you skip his comments and answer the others, I wonder why. Are you hung up on FK only. He is a powerful voice but that should not stop you. hit on me for a change."
>>??? A powerful voice? No, not really, anyone who can speak, if given the opportunity, has a powerful voice. I believe in substance over style every time.

@30 "I suppose Carolyn 1 that means you do not have the balls to debate with grown-ups."
>>You got that right.<<
"You van rant and rave all you want"
>>What ranting and raving? All I did was post a link to the comments as they were originally posted.
48

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 23:20:41
RP @31
Sorry I tried but you are too much of a burden."
>please refer to post #27
@37
If you really believe in your cause/comments you need to put them where they can be seen and not deleted. Please CJ stop all the tirades and comment properly."
I have no idea what it is you think you're saying, but yes, as a researcher involved in various projects, I find rarely if ever that my commenting has been deleted or silenced. Just because I'm the only libertarian in the state doesn't mean I can't speak my mind. I have three times stood my ground and debated one on one with a senator in a public platform on the merits of restoring Catholic Charities to overrule the Gay Marriage Law. I've got ideals and stamina and smarts, if debating a senator in public isn't proper enough for you, it is for me. <<

"You keep avoiding commenting on a site where your comments will be posted without deletion."
??>Sorry, it's that darned thing of having to go to meetings and do stuff that interferes with my blogging duties

@39 Oh BTW CJ if you feel I did not apologise for the dog comment here it is again, I apologise for referring to your kicking the dog."
Oh, btw, it's a little late. However, my aunt never knew about any of it, if she did, she didn't tell me.
@43 Carolyn1 - you really have not addressed my question about you commenting on the other site."
>>Please refer to post #27 and #33
@45 There must be other ways of silencing Hamas and the Rockets at this point."
>>The 6400 rockets that already fired can't be unflown or silenced because it already happened, as for the future, that's a decision that Hamas needs to make, not have me decide it for them
49

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 23:26:46
@49, cont.
why the axe all the time, what is gained. "

Once again, I don't know really to what you're referring.
But,I actually went out at Christmas and tried to buy an axe or a saw, and you need to have freekin proof of age, a license, and be screened, etc. Needless to say, short of driving to a real state where real people live, I took a shovel and dug my four trees. Still no axe.

"You have singlehanded hurt the Scotsman."
>>Wow. Who would have thunk it??
I admit my writing is so bad I have to pay to have editing done, but really, I hurt the Scotsman? My condolences, but all newspapers are in serious financial trouble.

"People are fed up with trying to post only to get deleted all the time. At least another fora is open to them."

Did it ever occur to you that most of the posting was Bush hatred, and now that he's irrelevant, people aren't posting? I dunno, I stopped posting because there weren't stories I was interested in. I don't have time. Other people must be the same. I read a lot of tech stuff, like Wired. the Scotsman isn't interesting. Now that I'm finishing the Catholic Charities The Scotsman isn't a must read for me.
As for the deleting, really, I don't post that often.
And lots of those deletes by law need to be deleted because they've manipulated someone's name, mine included, another reason I stopped posting.
50

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 23:38:16
Cutty Sark @44

32 comments and still no response Carolyn 1?

I'll ask you again:

Where might the people of Gaza find sanctuary? Mosques and safe houses don't count, for obvious reasons.


Where was the first question? I think #7, and #9 are my and Finnking's links.
The answer: let me shake my magic eight ball...

dummdillidiydumdedededdumdee....waiting...

and the answer is:

(The same one I had last year)
I think a road to peace in the Middle East can be achieved by working with Queen Noor. She's an honest broker, respects both sides of the crisis, is well spoken and recognizes the process must include women.
51

Carolyn 1,

05/01/2009 23:40:28
And at my post in 43 I said I had to meet some people, which I did, - perhaps for your convenience I should have added my schedule??
52

Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 00:17:12
Sandy @47

in recent years I've watched research developing in the fields of both biology and neurology. It's truly fascinating that a fish can heal its heart, completely heal it.
A zebra fish can heal its spine. When our heart, a human heart, is cut however, we heal with a scar, but the fish heals with no scar.

The point being this, your blog advocates free speech, but rather than apologize to me for saying I was so mean I kicked my dog, in comments of me defending my aunt who studied the effects of poisons on new born babies, instead of giving me the grace of a simple I'm sorry, bill and tsw took the opportunity to ban me and get a lot of stuff sanitized to their liking, ....

So, I guess you can say, you damaged yourself, you went about all over the blog and deleted dozens and dozens of my comments from many articles, about freedom and democracy, for example,..

So, now you have the self-inflicted scars to show you are not advocates of free speech.
I don't know how you heal that.


53

billengland,

06/01/2009 08:17:27
55 Carolyn 1

No damage or scars, Carolyn, don't flatter yourself. Stick to your fish.
54

Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 11:51:03
@56
Not true, if it were true and there were no scars that would mean you're not human and I do think you're human,.. I don't,.. and I will, because it's promising research
@57
Please refer to my comment at 53
@58
Ask RP, he was quite adamant that toxicologists were not worth the money paid them to do the research, so I'm sure he has an alternative way to learn that kind of information for you, gather data and analyze it
55

Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 12:18:55
RP referred to my family and its research as being screwed blue and tattooed, I don't have the exact words obviously, but one has to wonder what does someone do after they've been screwed blue and tattooed, does life's work continue as if the screwing blue and tattooing never took place? Do you go to the next project, silently, and continue your work so you can be screwed blue and tattooed again? I dunno. Got an answer for that?
Maybe a point is reached where a smokescreen has to be created just to make life safe from being screwed blue and tattooed again. At some point, one has to look out for his own family, stand up and try to change the situation so they're not screwed blue and tattooed again.

I guess the answer for you guys was just to get rid of me and my family from your little blog, and so you did, and here I am, still alive and not screwed blue and tattooed any more. What is so terribly wrong with someone wanting to survive and be happy, without fear of being tattooed?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 13:24:54
Carolyn1 thats ridiculous I don't remember saying anything about your family. What you are alleging is bogus.
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 13:25:56
Carolyn1 don't take this wrong but are you in your cups again?
58

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 13:37:28
Carolyn 1 Cutty Sark brings up a valid point. Gaza is a small place. Where would you place the non-combatants especially considering the ordnance the Israeli's are presently using. Take a look in Time at the Pictures of access the other site to see. They are using gas and phosphorus and cluster all anti personnel not strategic.
This leave them really no where to go to get out of harms way. What do you have against the Palestinian People, not Hamas
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 13:57:43
Carolyn1, Cj I am not all together against Israeli's. I have been there and found the people terrific. My niece lives there and is a Bahia, but I feel the Government there is trying to subjugate the Palestinians for generally business purposes.
The settlements are an indication of the and I do not agree at all with the Talmud Thinking.
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 13:58:43
Carolyn1 if you could stop making everything personal I would love to discuss these things with you.
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 14:00:04
I'm sure the Scotsman will get fed up with us using their site for off topic comments so why don't we find another place to comment?
62

Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 14:12:26
@61
"So, you or your relatives have no data on the effects of white phosphorus, do you have any thoughts on the short/long term effects it may have on the citizens of Gaza who are currently being bombarded with it?"


As I said previously, why would you want research from a bunch of do-gooders, you clearly stated you don't like do-gooders; we're charlatans and liars who don't deserve to be paid for our research and our results and conclusions are useless according to you guys. However, you are fortunate to have an expert in your midst, ask RP, he's as smart as a tack, I'm sure he has the answers that you will accept.

@62
Carolyn1 thats ridiculous I don't remember saying anything about your family. What you are alleging is bogus."

Short term memory loss is curable.


@63
"Carolyn1 don't take this wrong but are you in your cups again?"

Furthermore, it's remarks like that which serve no purpose except to cut away at a person, and in doing so devalue the person who uttered it.

@64
Sweetie, I am not going to another site, especially not 'yours.' I like my privacy, and guard it,- something your group of bandits think is amusing

I think a road to peace in the Middle East can be achieved by working with Queen Noor. She's an honest broker, respects both sides of the crisis, is well spoken and recognizes the process must include women.
She's also studied urban planning
63

Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 14:22:36
@67
Excellent choice. I need to work on my little urbanization and environment design proposal "The Historical, Anthropological, Sociological and Naturalist Transcendental Roots of the Village as Solar Ecology"
(Translation: in the tradition of Buckminster Fuller, and synergy, I'm proposing to build solar platforms for a region, not just design build and install solar panels for one house at a time, but to instead design and build a platform that supplies energy to the town, and do it using money from the $7kzillion bailout plan, part of which is coming as infrastructure investment. )

Ironic, is it not, that the best research and probability for this concept is coming out of Israel?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 14:31:32
CJ, Quote:
"As I said previously, why would you want research from a bunch of do-gooders, you clearly stated you don't like do-gooders; we're charlatans and liars "
When did I say this, If you wish to try to impune me please get it straight. Again I never mentioned your family ever.
Carolyn1, #63, I said don't take this statement personally it was only a question, remember how you chastised me for paying a lot for a bottle of wine, I did not take that personally.
#64 Only a suggestion Carolyn but if you don't want to fine that is your choice but please then could you answer the inquiry's of Cutty Sark.
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 14:51:02
#69, Carolyn1 who will you submit this proposal to?
"Excellent choice. I need to work on my little urbanization and environment design proposal "The Historical, Anthropological, Sociological and Naturalist Transcendental Roots of the Village as Solar Ecology"
It seems to me you have a handle on everything in the world. Where did you obtain your civil engineering degree.
From past conversations with you , you must have spent a 100 years in school, very laudable endeavor. Come on Cj just tell the truth. I'm sure you have a lot to add to a discussion without the porkies and embellishment.

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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 15:27:38
Carolyn!, I have a concern with the Arabs allowing Queen Noor to do much as there is now distrust between a lot of them and Jordan + Egypt.
They see the cooperation with Israel as a bad thing undermining their position of no recognition of Israel as a Nation.
Would you propose a 2 State solution and if so what boundaries, maybe pre 67 as a partition imposed by the rest of the world. Could that be accepted by the 2 parties.
What to do about the rift between Fatah and Hamas, Your Opinion?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 06/01/2009 19:09:58
Carolyn1 what do you have to say about this?
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Carolyn 1,

06/01/2009 23:40:43
72 @ Cutty Sark, 06/01/2009 14:40:11
For my opinion, please refer to the comment I made New Years in reference to the study in New York.

As for the solar research environmental study, No, I'm not "relying on this "new" project to feed your family"
Thanks for asking. But I'll know tomorrow if I get a go ahead to do the research.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Toyota-plans--solarpowered-car.4837932.jp

Stuff like that article is what interests me and what I like to comment on. How do you heat and feed an overpopulated polluted planet? Can the Swiss health care system work in the states?
Anywhu, like I said at #27- I'm a science guy slash art historian slash publisher working on an advanced degree in urbanization hoping to change the way this government makes decisions, pretty wacky combo but it works for me. Nothing over there on your brainwashed site links to that, or interests me or works for me: I also think the dog died what with the revenge and all."

To repeat: I have no interest in being grilled by people who hate me and issue insults like knifes.


#73
Depending on what my co-conspirator suggests who's from BU, the proposal will go to the senator who heads the environment committee because he's the guy who could ear mark some money for it
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 07/01/2009 12:45:34
Cj if this link is still working why don't you answer my question on Israel? What do you have to say about the carnage there and the indiscriminate use of anti personnel weapons designed to kill and maim civilians, and because of the nature of them a disproportionate number of curious children.
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Carolyn 1,

07/01/2009 16:19:30
Sorry, I don't take orders well, and besides, I'm in the cups again, and my tape recorder is on the blink and can't blog otherwise it would still come up with the same answers I previously said
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 07/01/2009 18:31:34
Cj, I'm not aware that I issued any orede, I simply asked you how you would explain Israel's use of the munitions they are. You seem to avoid any answer regarding Israel, Why is that?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 07/01/2009 18:32:57
That's order Cj my finger slipped.
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Carolyn 1,

07/01/2009 21:29:26
considering I'm not a member of Israeli government or the military, why would I be able to: "would explain Israel's use of the munitions they are"...

to repeat myself, I said I very much agree with the concluding statement from the New York research project which I posted.
To that point, I think your gang's response was, that because I was celebrating New Years Eve that night, not only was I an alcoholic feeding my addiction, "I can see that your heart will not be in your party tonight while innocents are are being slaughtered in your name."

???Excuse me?? Should I assume none of you celebrated New years Eve or New Years Day? Or is it just me, for some unknown reason, who shouldn't be allowed to share dinner with friends? Never mind that I evidently murder thousands of innocent people and rejoiced while doing it..

SO if you wonder why no one wants to debate with you guys, therein lies the problem.

However, on the uptick, it's been 80 posts and no one has told me to take my medication or speed up the trip to shrink, I'm just the basic murdering selfish drunk who lies.
There does that answer question as to why you can't get people to answer your questions or join your chat room?

 

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