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Published Date: 23 November 2008
ALISTAIR Darling will tomorrow cut the level of VAT in time for Christmas as part of a multi-billion-pound bid to kick-start spending and revive the economy.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that the Chancellor is preparing to use his annual Pre-Budget Report (PBR) to cut VAT from 17.5p to 15p, reducing the cost of goods and services across Britain.

As the cut can be introduced with immediate effect, the move will give shoppers and retailers a boost ahead of the festive period.

But the annual cost to the Treasury could hit £12bn and cause public borrowing to rocket beyond £115bn next year.

And Conservative leader David Cameron will oppose the measure, arguing the tax cut is a "tax con" which will have to be paid for in massive tax rises within the next year.

In his PBR, Darling will concede that tax cuts are for a limited period only and that they must be paid for through increased taxes or lower Government spending in years to come.

But he will argue that the economy requires an immediate shot in the arm to prevent recession slipping into depression. In a speech tomorrow, Prime Minister Gordon Brown will also warn that "doing too little, too late, would mean more damage, more deterioration".

Taking into account other measures, Darling's multi- billion-pound giveaway is expected to exceed £15bn but will stop well short of the £30bn expected by some in Government.

The Chancellor is expected to announce further, short-term measures to boost spending, including a further freeze on fuel duty. MPs are also putting pressure on him to increase the income tax threshold from its current level of £6,000 in order to take more low income households out of tax altogether.

The Government is also set to create new teams of rapid response units to deal with the expected increase in layoffs being forced upon small and medium-size firms. The teams will go into companies and attempt to find redundant staff new jobs or retrain them.

But it will be the measure to slash VAT to 15% – the lowest allowed under EU law – which will get the most attention. The Chancellor is expected to argue that the move will help lower income families most because the cost of VAT falls more heavily on their shoulders than it does on better-off homes.

Barbara McQuillan, a tax partner at Henderson Loggie Chartered Accountants, said: "A reduction of 2.5% to 15% would be welcome. A temporary reduction in VAT on certain goods and services might stimulate spend and help certain sectors if, for example, VAT was reduced or suspended on home improvement and property conversions. This would no doubt be most welcome in the construction sector."

Darling is believed to have stipulated that the cut in VAT is only for the next few months. Although this week's cut will be met entirely from borrowing, the Chancellor will tell the Commons tomorrow that, in the longer-term, he intends to reduce that deficit.

The cut would have an immediate effect on the High Street. The cost of a BMW 325i retailing at £12,995 would be reduced by £276 under Darling's plans. An I-Pod touch costing £160 would be £3.40 cheaper. A pair of leather boots retailing at £115 would cost £112.50 after a cut.

The move to cut VAT will pile further pressure on the Conservative leadership of David Cameron and George Osborne who have argued that tax cuts now, funded by borrowing, are wrong.

However, yesterday the move was given backing by former Chancellor of the Exchequer Ken Clarke. Clarke said: "If it's possible to afford a fiscal stimulus, I would go for VAT because the only case for a fiscal stimulus is to stimulate spending and consumer demand so the tax on spending is the one to go for. But it should be temporary."

But Phillip Hammond, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: "We are in favour of funded tax cuts. But tax cuts paid for by borrowing today will mean tax hikes and misery in the future for families and businesses. That's why unfunded tax cuts are a tax con, not a tax cut."


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1

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 01:40:21
2.5 % off vat whoo hoo, that'll really help those struggling to pay for food( zero vat), well done
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/11/2008 01:45:24
Absolutely right, FTH22inarow. All those people whose incomes are entirely spent on VAT exempt and zero rated goods are filked. On the other hand, we humans who do buy things that are subject to VAT will benefit. You know, grown ups who buy socks, and shirts, and suchlike.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 01:46:46

God! Where is everybody? 1.45am and no comments!

Christmas Parting already on this Good News, are we?

Well my comment is!,....

...It IS a start in the right direction, some that I wont mention of a Scottish Flavour, in my opinion, would, if in power, do not very much, not very much atall, we have had a taste of that, have we not, regarding certain Banks,?

Don't Worry though!, The 'New-Bridge', is doing very well! :))



4

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 01:52:34
I'm off to buy a bmw, look at the saving
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 01:53:37

My comment was hit by a network problem, hence the long delay, so I am not first to comment, afterall! :((


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zeitgeist,

Scotland 23/11/2008 02:02:22
Forget the mainstream media guff, read this:

http://cynicuseconomicus.blogspot.com/2008/11/economic-crisis-as-expected-government.html
8

JWW,

Whitburn,West Lothian, 55.86667 -3.68500 23/11/2008 02:18:13
Why are our masters determined to keep people spending the money that has been artificially created?

Have they inadvertently revealed their Achilles heel?
9

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 02:37:28
Salmond "no longer in the press"


His days "have gone"


10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 02:44:20


I see, one, has upset one! :)

Gods-Sake! (pardon God, I know it is Sunday),..

Take my comments with the realism an humour they are!


11

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 02:44:54
Of course everything will be cheap if people are exploited elsewhere China/India, the fact that nothing is manfactured in the west anymore is why this crisis occurred in the first place. Why do we still send charitable aid to India when they have more billionaires/millionaires than any other country in the world?
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 02:47:11

BTW! my last comment was not directed to you,..

Another Saturday Night @#41.


13

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 02:51:33
Charles

Good day to you.

Salmond spends a weekend with Goldfish.

Headline news in Skye.

Salmond, on a pressing schedule, took time to talk with the the fish, who were eager to know about the lastest bid prospect for HBOS
14

Guga II,

Rockall 23/11/2008 03:13:16
#42 Charlie.

I saw your picture in the Herald. You look in quite good nick for a 95 year old.
15

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 03:19:21
Salmond was praised by Obama today.

"Thankfully the fool didn't say anything today", Obama said between important meetings
16

Glad-Im-an Expat,

Qatar 23/11/2008 03:35:33
Hang on - If you have 160 pounds to hand to spend on an i-pod im pretty sure your not going to be bothered bout saving 3.40! Whats that now adays, a pint of milk and a loaf of bread!
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 04:02:58

Guga II ~46,

Thankyou!
18

DGR,

Coolangatta 23/11/2008 04:03:46
Cardinal Morton, aka Gordon Brown, believed/practiced in tax and tax and more tax. Stealth taxes his speciality. Now he's suddenly gone into reverse. Can you trust him? A vacation in Broadmoor is whhat he needs
19

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 04:09:12
Daily Record exclusive

Salmond "may" have a school dinner next week.

His PR representative declined to comment, or accept a BLT sandwich (which the orphans of Bosnia had all saved to buy with their part-time work moving heavy steel, 18 hours a day).

Obama was quick to say, "this guy Salmond sounds like he has no feeling for people"
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 04:13:39


Another Saturday Night ~45,

Funnily enough!, They do say,..'eating too much fish', makes one 'Bald', hence. even that I love "fish", I am wary of what might happen on 'Top' if you become dependant on them,

Mind you! with the, 'New-Bridge' Salmond opened last week, it is all, for him,...'water-under-the-bridge'!

Hence His Name!

:)

21

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 23/11/2008 04:22:13
3.40 off the cost of an ipod!

Better rush to the shops before they are all gone!

276 quid of a Beemer, the dealers will have to take on extra staff to deal with the mad rush!

How about a real tax cut, and a spending cut to balance it ?

Like removing VAT completely from Electricity and Gas, they are after all as essential as food, and then sacking a load of Whitehall Jobsworths to pay for it.

When you enjoy your savings remember to thank your kids, they will be paying for it with higher taxes later.
22

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 04:23:04
Charles.

I am a "skinhead" so "no worries" with "the fish"

The fish "eye" has the most protein

A tuna eye is "not to be looked over"
23

democracy,

Scottish Borders 23/11/2008 05:39:53
Of course, Darling will not mention the tens of thousands of jobs in Scotland that he and Brown will be instrumental in removing once the HBOS is bought over by the smaller company, the LloydsTSB.

They themselves had to be bailed out, but in essence the Government are giving them enough tax-payers money to achieve a leveraged buy-out of the larger company HBOS,which it wouln't otherwise could have done, and who, after such a deal, will lose its head office status in Edinburgh, to one that will be in London, and is a Westminster driven agenda, all with tax-payers money for the benefit solely of the shareholders, WHY ??????

One would almost think that this type of take-over should be illegal.

As you can see, it is cynical, political, opportunism by Brown and Darling to weaken Scotland as there is at present a nationalist Government at Holyrood!

This reminds one of a statement made previously in our history when, from Westminster, it was remarked, where Scotland was being disadvantaged, that "It was a price worth paying" Well, we will see what all the unemployed banking sector workers think about it!

My best guess would be that this manoeuvre will back fire on New Labour, big style, and will cost them dear at the hands of the Scottish people and much of England when they are ousted as a disgrace, at the next election!
24

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 05:41:50
Wow, cut a whole 2.5 % off before Christmas, call a March election, and he reckons Labour voters are such idiots they'll vote for him. Like they are not going to realise he's going to have to increase taxes and slash spending next year, and this is just a sweetie before the jag at the docs, as if we are all wee weans.
25

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 05:44:04
Tomorrow is the start of Labour's election campaign. If I was David Cameron I would hope Brown won it. Truly he should, he deserves to inherit the incredible mess he has made. Scotland should vote SNP.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 23/11/2008 05:52:54
I dont know if I should add to those postings. There is a limit to standards that even a drunken proffet would be willing to accept. However as a wee addition to government solutions to critical problems I will remind you off an older generation that the government solution to the problems in the late seventies when the whole industrial base of the UK was in meltdown was to increase the workers holidays, introduce employment protection (which didnae work), bring in credit cards so you could spend your way out of their problems and another one which slips my mind. I thought I would mention it so you can judge whether or not they are looking after your employers, or looking for votes at the next election.
27

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 07:31:05
Vote "SNP"

Just don't "pretend" to be an "idiot"

"Act" like "one."
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Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 07:42:42
Another superb move by messers Darling and Brown.

How refreshing to have political leaders actively addressing the problems of the economy with real measures like these.

People should stick to what they are good at. Thats why Salmond spent the last week posing With Maradona Posters and opening bridges.
29

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:11:17
RTF

You are right there, mate

Bridges and cucumber sandwich parties from "Superficial" Salmond.

Brown and Darling- out dealing with issues
30

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:22:23
ASN, Oil is heading to $40 a barrel.

Imagine if we Independence now. Our banks would be bankrupt and the income from oil would be negligible.

Palestine would have a stronger economy.
31

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 08:25:03
#61 ASN

Of Broon's making........

I haven't seen such a case of the collective amnesia currently afflicting the Labour Party since the last outbreak in Germany back in '45.
32

Phil C,

23/11/2008 08:29:06
Ho! Ho! Ho! Mr Badger/Zebra has become Santa Claus, bearing gifts to all at Christmas. His pal Pa Broon is his little elf.

This bunch of Labour Loonies are becoming more of a liability to our country every day. First they wreck, then wreck a bit more, then borrow a big wallop to plug the holes they make, then wreck and lie some more.....

And some eejits posting here slurp at their fountain!! Jeez, is there any hope with idiots like that around?
33

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:37:28
"Spud Face" Salmond has tried to con the nation/union

"Good" Gordon is dealing with each issue carefully as it arises.
34

The Accountant,

Gods Country - AKA The Kingdom of Fife 23/11/2008 08:40:27
Dunno about boosting the economy but it means I will have to issue revised standing order mandates to all clients who pay me by monthly payment.

Oh woe is me!
35

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:41:47
RTF

Imagine it.

Yes, we have oil.

How much is it worth?

Not much.

OK, then.

Salmond's idea......

36

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:43:51
ASN. . . Gordon Brown meets with the G20 leaders, whilst Alex Salmond listens to his G4 music collection.
37

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:46:01
#67 More fool you then!

You should have used Direct Debits. Easily adjustable.
38

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:47:41
Salmond clutches at his last cheese bagel.

The mold is cutting in.

The Crofters are losing patience.

His good news is that Bing Crosby was see alive in the Great Eastern Hotel.

Elvis on Tuesdays
39

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:49:15
RTF

Yes, DDs.

But the obvious is "too much to accept" for the "Slaves of Salmond"
40

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:50:23
Gordon Brown meets with world leaders from Germany, France, USA in Washington.

Salmond meets with representatives from such Power houses as Jersey, Isle of Man and Guernsey in South Queensferry.
41

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:59:32
Salmond spends the day working on saving Nardinis. He likes Largs. The people there don't like "Slimey" Salmond.

"Thick Skinned" Salmond keeps up the campaign.

Brown deals with global issues.

All in a "day's work"
42

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 23/11/2008 08:59:34
65# have you stopped taking your pills,because planet Zog does not exist.Join the human race ,you might like it
43

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:03:35
#75

Crofter

Do you have newpapers?
44

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:05:45
"Unlucky third light" Salmond has lost all credibility
45

Unimpressed one,

23/11/2008 09:12:59
Zero VAT rating on gas and electricity prices for at least 6 months would have been a better option.
46

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23/11/2008 09:13:16
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The Strategist,

23/11/2008 09:14:02
The firm that made the graphics for Labour's annual conference in Manchester, which took place under the banner "Winning the fight for Britain's future", has just gone out of business!

£54m collected by the Treasury in payment for carbon licences will not now be going towards supporting the development of clean energy technologies but will be added to Gordon's bank support fund... This of course is different to an oil fund.
48

brownlie,

23/11/2008 09:28:52
79 Union is Best

Yes, genius is our new unionist buzz-word. At a stroke Gordon Brown has solved the world's problems by cutting VAT by 2.5%. Congratulations are flooding in from all over the world at this exciting news and Britain's pensioners are saved a long, lingering death.

Gordon has truly put the Great back into Great Britain as we lead the world again.

No wonder unionist hearts are swelling with pride and we need no longer refer to Salmond as fat - our only real message up to now.

49

Gaelforce,

Paradise via hawaii & Dumbarton 23/11/2008 09:33:55
# ASN & RTF
I have just read your post's and I have got to say you guys must live in a bubble, it's because of eejit's like you That Scotland is in the mess it's in, if Gordo (Your Master) said jump you would ask how high, talk about brain dead. at least here in the US they are getting rid of the dead wood.
50

The Strategist,

23/11/2008 09:34:37
Utterly brilliant... Brown's answer to a financial crisis caused by overspending and regulatory stupidity will be solved by increasing spending and sucking in more imports!

51

It's me!,

23/11/2008 09:35:29
Darling isn't giving away anything.He is just letting us keep a few coppers of our own money.And we are supposed to roll over and be grateful.No. The games up the pole. (any if Darling was really working class he would know what that means).
52

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23/11/2008 09:40:32
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 09:45:27
82 Ta you stopped me from having to point out that those two are clearly away with the budgies. Tweet Tweet.
54

brownlie,

23/11/2008 09:51:35
86 Observer 1

Rubbish!! - these two, acting as one, are the most potent weapon in our unionist armoury. Thousands of readers here are splitting their side with laughter at all their posts.
55

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:54:24
Salmond is an old lonely man.
56

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 09:54:32
87 Sorry I am new here, thank you for explaining that they are the comic turn - I was thinking they were serious, silly me.
57

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 09:55:08
"This is total garbage and the height of hypocrisy from the Labour Party."
58

Jimmy Le Pie,

23/11/2008 09:57:51
I think Comrade Broon should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for re-inventing economics.

He makes Keynes, Adam Smith etc look like turnip farmers.

"Privatise profit and nationalise loss" is a much better slogan than "I've abolished boom and bust".

I think I'll head out and max out all my credit cards as Comrade Broon has saved the world!
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23/11/2008 09:59:55
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 10:00:12
Chuffing flip, has anyone had a comment on the SundayHerald today?
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23/11/2008 10:00:32
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:01:10
89 Observer

You are welcome as long as you point out in every post that Salmond is not exactly slim - unlike all effective politicians. A good example of effective posting is that intelligent contribution at #88.
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23/11/2008 10:02:55
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23/11/2008 10:05:40
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:06:40
95 I am a refugee from the Herald. The unionist style of posting there was to call Salmond fat and mention Sean Connery a lot. I wonder if there is a forum anywhere that has intelligent unionist debate, or is that like the holy grail, a myth.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:07:41
98 perhaps all the drink has left him baffled.
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23/11/2008 10:09:00
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23/11/2008 10:10:43
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WSS,

sandbach 23/11/2008 10:12:23
When firms are cutting prices by 20% the proposed vat decrease of two and a half % is a waste of time.
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23/11/2008 10:12:51
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23/11/2008 10:13:19
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:13:48
100 Observer

"baffled" was a good moniker as it applied to the poster and the readers.
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:19:02
99 Obsever

Have you tried AM2's blog. Sadly, you will not find any intelligent unionist debate there either so you're as well sticking to the Another Rufus Saturday Entertainment crowd.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:19:04
102 I will attempt to find one, but it is tedious work. Sam is on the BNP thread.

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:19:50
107 - is that blog for real, I thought it may have been a satirical fake ?
77

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:20:04
I only post facts.

Salomond is bad news
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23/11/2008 10:22:08
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Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:36:02
Col

No time for "testing"

Real "policies" needed

Salomandy is nowhere to be seen.

Good, we say

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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:37:55
133 asn

The diet must be working - bad news all round.
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:39:08
114 Should read 113 asn. Thank the Lord we have Darling to do our counting for us.
82

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:43:14
Don't count your chickens before they are fat.

Salmond- remember that
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:43:40
116 roseblue

Stirring stuff!! Name and shame the fools thus converting them to unionism!
84

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:45:23
Obama- "I can't this fat man seriously. Surely the people in the UK can see through his jiggery pockery"
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Macbeth 1616,

Fife 23/11/2008 10:46:33
The big issue seems to be that everyone has stopped spending. If a cut in VAT increases spending by even a small amount then some firms will survive, and will not have to lay off more people.

A reduction in income tax will boost the income of those already in work but it won't make them spend that extra income.

The family spending all their government provided income on VAT-free goods cannot benefit from reduced VAT nor from income tax cuts.

The money needs to be made to circulate.



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Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:46:34
(sic)
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 23/11/2008 10:48:06
So your out of work or your job is threatened, your bills are up umpteen % you have cut out any form of entertainment or luxuries. cut backs have to be made on spending on the kids at xmas you will be over the moon by the cut in VAT.....NOT.
Do not forget that 2.5% given now will give Gordon and Alistair the licence to tax 10 to 15% later to cover ALL of the borrowings they have made and the wasteage the caused in the previous 10Years ...HARDER IMES ARE AHEAD
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Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:48:49
#120

Shakespeare

Circulation will improve living condiitons and reduce heating costs.

Spot on
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:53:26
119 ASN

Your constant references to Obama are so transparently untrue that you should stick to the "Salmond is fat" mantra. You should also try words like "obese" and "immense". There's a good boy!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 23/11/2008 10:54:33
beware of politicians bearing gifts,especially labour ones!!you will have to pay back the so-called gifts ten fold,or more, if anything has been proved at this latest fiasco,is that the labours arithmetic has been sadly neglected,and they should be returned to primary school for more lessons,
number one rule upon this earth is that you cannot borrow yourself out of debt,a small child could have told them that,
this goverment is a disgrace!!!
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Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 10:57:41
by the way where is Chubby Cheeks these days? Walking on his new piece of property with nice sand dunes and a soon to be golf course? He has certainly gone quiet since he did away with the tolls on the Forth Road Bridge. (His greatest acheievment one imagines!!!)
92

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:58:41
Salmond is fat- Obama
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Dood,

23/11/2008 11:09:45
This man should not be taken seriously until those ridiculous slugs are removed from above his eyes.

Ludicrous.
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Ananurhing,

23/11/2008 11:13:45
Just incredible!! Record national debt getting on for two and a half trillion. Broon's answer to this is to cut taxes, and borrow even more!!!!! Whilst waging war, giving Scotland a kicking, overseeing huge job losses, looming pensions time bomb, and a rapidly shrinking economy.(I see the FTSE's head has just gone under again. How many times is that?)

Broon needs help. He's in denial and just can't kick his "habits". Blame someone else for your troubles (America), and carry on as before. Prudence??? More like the economic policies of a heroin addict! He's already robbed the grannies, now it's the turn of the homeowners and businesses. He's like a one man crimewave!
Every junkie's like a setting sun! I wish he'd just hurry up and fade away!
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 11:16:08
129 you are baffled aren't you.

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whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

23/11/2008 11:28:43
A move designed to encourage everyone to get into more hock buying electrical goods ( playstations etc) for xmas. This government want to keep us enslaved to the banks through debt.
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 23/11/2008 11:44:47
The 'slashing'of VAT in the retail trade is a sham. I doubt if shops will pass it on particularly on the cheaper goods. In America the equivilant sales tax is added on at the till. The price you see on the shelf eg $50 will be shown on the receipt as $50 plus the relevant sales tax. If it was the same system in the UK and the VAT shown separately shops would have to pass it on.
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ian k,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 11:53:44
Come on the games afoot
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i a n,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 12:13:54
"An I-Pod touch costing £160 would be £3.40 cheaper. A pair of leather boots retailing at £115 would cost £112.50 after a cut [i.e. a saving of £2.50]."

"Darling in £12bn VAT Christmas giveaway"
"...measure to slash VAT to 15%"

Giveaway? Slash? You are joking are you not?






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The Strategist,

23/11/2008 12:17:27
#140

An I-pod is of course a US product probably manufactured in China. So Brown is encouraging more imports at a time when we have a record trade deficit!
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Joey Pica,

RePo House, Queer Street. 23/11/2008 12:22:41

When the packet of Chocolate Digestives comes done by a penny a packet - the whole of the UK benefits!

Shame the price of gas doubled this year though.
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Humphrey,

Eastleigh UK 23/11/2008 12:23:11
So we are to be grateful for a temporary reduction of VAT are we?

Let us all remember that in 1991 Norman Lamont increased VAT from 15% to 17.5% in order to provide revenue for the 'Community Charge Reduction Scheme'. This was intended to compensate local authorities suffering from the fall-out of heavy defaults on the iniquitous 'poll tax'.

Since the poll tax was scrapped some years ago, it logically follows that the VAT rate should have been re-adjusted down to 15% but, as we all know, this never happened. It was a complete scam to retain the VAT rate at 17.5% anyway, and in my opinion this an illegal tax rate due to the real reason it was increased to this level in the first place. Just one con trick after another.

A hefty slash in fuel duty is one of the answers, or better still lets have free energy as devised by the one and only Nicola Tesla. Unfortunately the cartels got to him first.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 12:52:17
This sucks.

Personally I wasn't contemplating taking part in a government-sponsored Xmas consumer spending spree. I already WASN'T going to buy iPods, TV's, white goods or any other number of consumer goodies that I'm happy to forego at this time. A reduction in VAT does nothing to change my mind on that score. However, many others will go on a consumer blitz because cashflow strapped retailers - in conjunction with a government cut in VAT - will see many more consumer lemmings wrestling with each other at the cash registers to jump into the forthcoming financial abyss.

If the only victims in this were the lemmings then fine. But it's not just them is it ? Why the heck should *I* be facing certain tax-rises to pay for a short-term consumer adrenalin rush in which *I* will take no part, gain *no* benefit from, and which *I* condemn absolutely ?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:02:38
In essence, you can participate in this goverment sponsored last-hurrah consumer spending/credit binge. And then pay heavily for it in the short-term.

Or you can NOT participate in this goverment sponsored last-hurrah consumer spending/credit binge. And STILL pay heavily for it in the short-term.

Go freeking figure !
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:11:50
Great. Now the majority of us will be subsidising the minority of financially-clueless debt-ridden shop-a-holic consumers whose "plight" is so often covered in the media. At Xmas they'll go "spend spend spend" and in the spring the rest of us wil go "pay pay pay".

Just freeking great. Well done yet again Laurel and Hardy.
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Ananurhing,

23/11/2008 13:12:24
"Darling in £12bn VAT Christmas giveaway".

Beware Geeks bearing gifts! £12bn Vat Injun giver!

Just heard Broon firing warning shots at the Isle of Man. More or less saying it's current status in proximity to the UK, is intolerable. Maybe Jersey and Guernsey next? More scorched earth to the outlying provinces! He can't bear the thought of them being outside his control. How many fronts can this man fight on? I'm starting to think Broon's got some sort of "Cromwell complex"!

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 13:13:25
The retail sector have already taken steps to encourage consumer spending pre Christmas, all the main players have been slashing prices, so this smoke and mirrors gimmickry won't make a blind bit of difference really.
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ACM,

Bearsden 23/11/2008 13:13:50
If reducing VAT will help prevent a recession then when over and the tax is paid back, will increasing VAT not cause a recession?
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 13:18:16
Debenhams have 25 % off everything, Marks had 20 % off everything on Thursday, Boots have an event on this weekend with extra points on their advantage card and special offers, so what bleedin' difference is a measly 2.5 % going to make to me ?

Although I pay by debit not credit card.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:19:58
Preliminary new years resolution for 2009: to laugh my freeking socks off at the clueless "victims" of this Xmas spending binge when they're facing repossession, eviction, bancruptcy etc in the spring and summer.

Tears of sadness from them, tears of laugher from me. And Brown as usual will be back hiding in his bunker.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 13:24:33
151 the spending binge will happen whether or not VAT is reduced - the shops will see to that. All Darling has done is give up revenue.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:29:40
Agrred Observer. But it all adds to the current febrile "end of days" consumer mentality. Just a bit more petrol on the bonefire from Darling and Brown, but we're ALL paying for the petrol.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 13:36:13
153 I agree with you, the Christmas spending madness is just that - madness. But I actually save (honestly) up in a credit union for this time of year and I am getting bargains left right and centre. Even high end shops like Frasers and John Lewis are doing great deals. Darling has just given away 12 billion for nothing, it's women who do the Christmas shopping and we know where the bargains are.
115

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 13:36:34
Darling gives hand relief to wandering mendicants.
116

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 13:39:11
Labour voters willingly open slack jawed maws to receive Darlings throbbing gristle.
117

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 13:39:45
Brown and Mandelson in touching relationship.
118

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 13:41:11
Rufus T Firefly's prolapse collapses after another Saturday night pummelling.
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 13:41:40
Iain Grey swallows own head.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:42:08
"Buy now pay later" mentality has put old "Prudence" to the sword. Good enough for the punters, good enough for the government...

Retailers offering 20% price reductions
VAT cut offering a further 2.5% reduction.
So as near as damn-it a reduction in the price of many goods by a quarter.
Xmas coming up now and a time when many punters will say to hell with-it, heres to one last spree...
Plenty of retailers and cards still offering further incentives to delay actual payments by months ... even up to a year.
By which time the tax-hike will have kicked in... and we have not so much a car-crash as a financial motorway pile-up involving millions of people.

Genius Darling, just freeking genius.

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 13:49:05
160 Yes a lot of store card will give you a further 20% off the 20% off they are giving you anyway if you ''sign up today'' there will be a lot of idiots who will do that. My sympathy is extremely limited.

They might have to start paying back the whopping charges on these cards around about the same time that PFI is put on the Government's books and taxes go through the roof. And a lot of people will be losing their jobs around then as well. Not much chance of a Happy New Year.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 13:57:07
I should say that I'm no "Scrooge" Observer. Like you I'm happy to spend, and love to get bargains. And like you as long as I've got/saved the money to do just that, then great ! :-))

But thats old-hat to a lot of credit-junkie punters though and many of these mug-punters are just about to be suckered big-time over the coming 6 weeks or so. The government is doing its 2.5% bit to add to that eventual and inevitable tale of woe. Unbelievable.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 14:01:47
162 Yes agreed completely. Anyway in a spirit of partiotism I am off to Debenhams, but it's my money I'm spending.


Fakie 155-159 you are as convincing as The Chancellor of the Exchequor.
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David55,

London 23/11/2008 14:04:03
Big deal. A 2.5% cut in VAT. Hold me back.

Incidently, what sort of sad sack is up commenting on this momentus news at 2am?

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WSS,

sandbach 23/11/2008 14:57:25
Brown's statement this morning on TV that in the present crisis the Tory position is to do nothing. This obvious spin is in contradiction to Cameron's words, who has put forward alternative proposals to those of Brown. What Brown should be saying is that there are people who disagree with his proposals on increasing the debt of the nation, but I am afraid he doesn't do truth.
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PointOf View,

Scotland 23/11/2008 15:40:27
3 and 13

I see NumbSkull and Saturday fright have been spending to much time together again in the Asylum. Seperate wards is the answere.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/11/2008 17:00:07
I think I'll spend all my tax gifts from Comrade Broon on Johnston Press shares.

6.5p last week, .65p this week???
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James.com,

23/11/2008 17:26:05
Will the IMF have any money left when its our turn?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/11/2008 17:48:20
I wonder how much Comrade Broon will sell off the Forestry Commission for???

Boy he can pick the times.

Markets heading for rock bottom and he wants to flog most of Scotland off!!

Prudence my €rse
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 18:35:52
#138 and 139 What's this about selling trees?
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steve52,

Kinfauns 23/11/2008 20:02:09
All those who are concerned about higher taxes after Gordon Broon calls a snap election need not worry. That pillar of truth, Jim Murphy, informed the nation on BBC Question time that there would be NO tax increases.

No for all you true Scotsmen and wimmin or Unionists just sit back and watch all the good things Mr Broon does for Engerland and count the jobs lost here in Scotland as he teaches us a lesson for voting out the lying Labour group at the Scottish Patliament.
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Keith Lagden,

23/11/2008 22:13:24
What a Buffoon; or is he a plonker?
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Millerman1,

23/11/2008 22:48:47
140# Troll
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Matt there,

Somewhere 23/11/2008 23:45:51
So, let's get this straight, hmm?

If I spend £1.00, the chancellor will give me 2.5p.

And this will help in what way? All the shops, petrol stations, etc., will have to reset their EPOS systems, so this will COST British retailers and industry money.

Oh, well done, Sir! What a brilliant move! Idiot.
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whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

24/11/2008 15:33:34
So lets see what this "give away" entails , basically this means that certain goods can be purchsed with a 2.5 % discount. However when the bill arrives in the shape of a tax increase the amount of "discount" will have to be paid back by the individual taxpayer in the form of tax which will in all liklehood be a greater amount than the savings made. A bit like taking out a loan to afford an item at a reduced price but paying much more for it over the course of the loan. Has Brown been speaking to Ocean Finance perchance.

This is elementary housekeeping stuff but I forgot Brown doesnt do Housekeeping stuff, even his light bulbs are paid for by us !!!

 

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