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Kenny Farquharson: Salmond does not speak for our troops



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IT'S been a week since I returned home, but at night I dream I'm back in Afghanistan. Usually I'm in a Chinook helicopter, looking through the open hatch in the floor at the endless desert. But twice I've dreamed of a two-year-old boy I saw in Musa Qala, who had the cutest smile you've ever seen and whose idea of fun was kicking the hell out of his pet puppy. The look in his eyes did not fill you with optimism for his country. I really hope I stop dreaming about him soon.
Being embedded with the British Army in an area of Taliban strength, I was never likely to get under the skin of the real Afghanistan or get a true measure of its people. But my five days with the military certainly gave me an insight into the mettle
of Scottish soldiers serving there, from the highest ranks to the lowliest. And I'm happy to share these impressions with Alex Salmond, who last week seemed very confident that he knew exactly what Scots in the armed forces really believed about the wars they were fighting far from home.

Salmond was talking about Iraq, on the fifth anniversary of the US and UK-led invasion. He insisted a majority of Scottish troops currently stationed in Iraq don't believe they should be there at all. Various Labour politicians have since accused him of undermining military morale and misrepresenting soldiers who are not allowed to speak for themselves. The First Minister is unrepentant.

The SNP attitude to Iraq is well known, but what of its current policy on Afghanistan? I had a vague idea the operation to dislodge the Taliban regime, destroy al-Qaeda bases and help rebuild a new representative Government had the Nationalists' full backing.

Not so, it seems. Last week I asked the party for clarification of its position, and what I received was an eye-opener. I can assure Salmond that if he ever gets a chance to discuss his stance with some real soldiers, he will find himself on the receiving end of some choice barrack-room language. Salmond says he speaks for Scottish soldiers in Iraq. I doubt very much if that's the case. He definitely doesn't speak for Scottish soldiers in Afghanistan.

The SNP did indeed back the initial 2001 invasion, but now seems unwilling to support the hard work – perhaps taking decades – that is necessary to stabilise Afghanistan. Somewhat bafflingly, the party says the initial objectives in Afghanistan "were destroyed by the disastrous invasion of Iraq, and we need a fundamental reappraisal of what the objectives in Afghanistan now are, based on our view that military intervention should be legal, limited and short".

The isolationism apparent in this statement is depressing. It suggests an SNP view that hard work in difficult parts of the world can be done by other countries, but Scotland would rather keep out of it, if that's okay. It's an attitude that Scottish soldiers serving in Afghanistan, in a UN-sanctioned operation with public support at home, would view with utter disdain.

I went to Afghanistan not knowing quite what to expect. I came away with a deep respect for the British men and women who are there risking their lives to build a better country and keep the Taliban from power. Admittedly, there was one soldier whose views disgusted me. He said that whenever he was woken early in the morning by the Muslim call to prayer, he had the following reaction: "I feel like letting them know exactly what I think of them with 120 rounds." Thankfully, he was a backroom administrator in a base camp, unlikely to see frontline service. His was a solitary voice. The rest of the soldiers I met were hugely impressive people. They took pride in the job they were doing and the reasons for doing it. The squaddies were thoughtful and articulate. The officers impressed with their intelligence, which they applied as much to reconstruction and development as they did to hunting down the Taliban.

Salmond was right when he said Scottish soldiers fight primarily for their comrades and for their regiment. But in Afghanistan they are also fighting to prevent the country from falling into the hands of Islamofascists who want to export terror to places like Glasgow Airport. This, I can assure Salmond, is a matter of satisfaction for the Scots on the ground.

In recent years Salmond has made great play of the fight to save Scotland's regiments, and his party has reaped electoral success in areas such as Tayside and Grampian, where feelings on this subject have run high. But since coming to power a year ago he has shown no interest in travelling to those parts of the world where Scottish soldiers are demonstrating exactly why these regiments have such a fine reputation.

What could be more appropriate than the elected leader of Scotland making a little effort to show his appreciation for the work of Scottish troops? If travelling to Iraq or Afghanistan or Kosovo or Bosnia was politically inconvenient for him, he could easily have paid a visit to a base in Germany, Cyprus or Northern Ireland, or perhaps UN operations in Sierra Leone or Ethiopia. But no, it seems this does not fit his idea of what a First Minister should do, and he would rather pontificate about war from the safety of Charlotte Square. This omission reflects poorly on him. I, for one, am glad that Salmond is not these soldiers' commander-in-chief. And I suspect they are too.

kenny.farquharson@scotlandonsunday.com



The full article contains 943 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

ratzo,

23/03/2008 00:06:44
As I recall, he made no claim to 'speak for the troops' so the rhetorical point here is spurious and the apparent moral force behind it (meeting real soldiers etc)is irrelevant.

It was the points of view of soldiers' families who had communicated with Salmond that was the basis of the statement on Iraq, and it is hardly necessary to travel to Afghanistan for those.
2

baffies away,

23/03/2008 00:21:12
I served, in senior positions, and frankly I agree with Salmond. I have the utmost respect for the troops on the ground and none for a pathetic journalist who is trying to take political cheap shots out of their hard work.
3

Richardinho,

23/03/2008 00:22:53
What Salmond actually said; "They get kicked in the teeth when they are in Iraq by their regiments being wound up. They get treated disgracefully by the government across a range of ways, which has broken the military covenant. But their views about the rights and wrongs of conflict are very similar to the rest of us."

Perhaps Kenny Farquharson should look at the facts rather than the editorialising spin which usually appears in this newspaper.


4

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/03/2008 00:58:10
Thank you for this illuminating and interesting report.
5

subrosa,

23/03/2008 01:06:09
'Salmond was right when he said Scottish soldiers fight primarily for their comrades and for their regiment.'

Oh yes Kenny, you got that point in your 5 days in khaki and your bullet proof equipment. But you forgot to re-emphasise that they no longer have regiments as such, they're just one big regiment. Shame on you.

Mr Salmond can speak on behalf of me and mine as often as he likes. By the way mine is out there on the front line in Afghanistan knowing full well that they'll never win that war. They don't even have the support of other European armies do they? Nobody wants to know do they?

You're sounding like a martyr having spent just 5 days with the forces. Perhaps you've had a little insight into the effects the 7 day weeks have on our soldiers now. Many of these effects are long term too.

Instead of pillorying our First Minster, wouldn't you be better off writing about Headley Court, the place our injured (and some very seriously) do their best to recover from the wounds of war. Headley Court is presently trying so hard to raise money from the public to build a swimming pool for theraputic use. The Labour government won't give any funding. Surely you remember the outcry in a health club near Headley Court a few months ago when members complained about seeing amputees using 'their' pool. Yes your journalistic skills would be far better used in this direction that slating a man who does talk regularly with military families and is honest enough to speak the truth.
6

Jwil,

23/03/2008 01:41:25
Did Mr Farquharson do a statistically correct, scientific survey before arriving at his conclusion?

Is what he is saying totally representative?

How many troops were in his sample and did he speak to them individually or in groups?

How does he know that there was no bias in what the troops were saying? After all they may not have wanted to be too forthcoming in front of their colleagues and officers.

Did an independent person supervise him to ensure what he is saying is true?

I suspect that if Alex Salmond did visit Iraq or Afghanistan this paper would be criticising him for that too!

What were the troops opinions about Alex Salmond not visiting them?

7

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 02:13:09
You certainly don't Kenny. Troops are prevented from expressing opinions on war officially but it is no shock if most of them agree with their countrymen that the Iraq war was illegal and a massive mistake.

If we were independent we could choose when and if our troops are sent to fight. Propping up an unpopular US presidency at every turn and supporting it's ill judged ill thought out campaigns is not in our international interests.
8

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 02:32:27
"I, for one, am glad that Salmond is not these soldiers' commander-in-chief. And I suspect they are too."

So you're a Brit who loves Gordon Brown and Labour, I somehow doubt many of our soldiers share your views or agree with this b*llocks about the FM not visiting the troops. If he did you would have claimed he was doing it as a publicity stunt since the Scottish parliament has no power over defence!

Did you ask who THE TROOPS would prefer to order them into battle or did you just decide this yourself? Let's have a think.

You could have a proud Scot who puts Scotland first and want us to have normal international powers or a man who wants to TAKE POWERS BACK from our democratically elected Government because he doesn't like what we are doing with them!

Brown has followed Blair's policy on defence. This is when the Yanks shout "jump" they ask "how high?". They like to pretend the UK is a big international 'player' but the days of genuine British influence are long over.

Brown pushes Britishness at every turn because he's slightly embarassed to be Scottish, he can hardly bring himself to express a preference for our football team (though he likes to wax lyrical about England and 'bringing football home' with the world cup) and has adjusted his accent to appear less Scottish.

The fact you love him and prefer for Scots not to rule Scotland shows your own lack of ambition. It doesn't reflect the attitude of our troops who I would imagine are more than likely proud to be Scottish first and foremost just like most of the rest of the population.

It is only right and proper to ask what impact our troops are having in Afghanistan. They should not be sent there ill equipped on a never ending impossible mission. At some point even the US had to admit that Vietnam was over.

The Soviet Union couldn't control Afghanistan and neither can we, most importantly - we don't want to. Scotland does not have imperial pretensions thankfully even if some of o
9

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 02:33:33
even if some of our reporters do.
10

glassbenmhor,

23/03/2008 06:32:16
You Sir ,
have a lot to say after 5 days,I and many others have a great deal more,this is why you are full of crap,their in my experience only one thing the you give your all to,the Colours.
I couldn't have given a *uck for Queen Country,or Afghanistan other than the poor b8stards that have on say in their street and are dealt the worst by the cohorts of supposed freedom,aka,the Builderburg Group.
The First Minister is entirely correct and you Sir can
*uck off.
11

Talorthane,

23/03/2008 07:56:01
KENNY FARQUARSON DOES NOT SPEAK FOR HIS READERS

It became clear in the course of this article that Mr Farquarson does not have the support of his audience.

It also became clear that Mr Farquarson, in his latest attempt to undermine the SNP, had shown complete disregard for the facts.
12

Calum10,

23/03/2008 09:04:08
All this article shows is that Mr Farquharson cannot stretch the truth over Iraq into another reality in Afghanistan.

The facts still remain.

1. The Labour government lied about Iraq's WMD.

2. UK troops did not (and still don't) have basic equipment when they invaded and occupied Iraq.

3. The Scottish regiments where shafted by the MOD and the generals.

4. The British Army was chased out of Basra by Iranian backed militias and is now holed up at Basra airport, doing nothing except being shooting ducks for every insurgent with an RPG.

5. Everyman and his dog now consider Iraq to be a failed mission, and believe it is time to get out.

Now lets turn our attention to Afghanistan.

1. The Labour government lied when they said that UK troops would only be involved in policing operations in Helmand province (remember Dr John Reid and his not a bullet fired).

2. UK troops don't have basic equipment to carry out military operations in Helmand.

3. This summer's military offensives will determine public opinion over Afghanistan. If it goes wrong then Afghanistan will be seen as a failed mission too.

Finally all Unonist attempts to criticise Alex Salmond on his principled stance over Iraq have backfired. The public support the First Minister, who has shown more backbone than the entire Labour Cabinet and the Tories Shadow Cabinet put together on this issue.
13

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 09:17:02
What Salmond wants is for us to be like Ireland, Sweden or Switzerland.

When other countries are invaded or they start slaughtering their own citizens we can sit on our backsides and say "nothing to do with us chum". Then afterwards we can take a morally superior tone about how unwarlike we are.

And then if anyone ever attacks us we will always have the USA and England to come to our aid. We don't actually need an army.
14

www.r-o-a-r.org,

OPEN LETTER TO KENNY FARQUHARSON 23/03/2008 09:18:55
Dear Mr Farquharson

I am afraid your piece in this Sunday’s Scotland on Sunday is completely wrong regarding Mr Salmond’s commitment to Scottish Soldiers and the Regiments issue.

I have ran the campaign to save Scotland’s Army Regiments for almost 5 years now and I am also the Black Watch webmaster for a longer period.
Firstly, Alex Salmond spent the day in Dundee recently for a charity abseil to raise funds for The Black Watch Association and also Combat Stress – at which were serving soldiers of several Scottish regiments.

An invite is required to visit troops and Mr. Salmond cannot just parachute in to see the troops. It would be far more fitting if you were perhaps to deal with the complete lack of respect and breaking of the military covenant, which includes totally inadequate healthcare for injured Scottish soldiers on their return to the UK, the loss of the Royal Scots (Edinburgh’s Regiment) and a campaign to save them which was supported wholly by the Edinburgh Evening News and the assistant editor Paul Riddell whom I had lunch with in Edinburgh about the time of the campaign.

Every Labour MSP has deserted their constituents which happen to include soldiers of every Scottish Regiment and did nothing to prevent a totally unnecessary destruction of their regiment. It is of course completely likely that Scottish soldiers share the same views as the general population of Scotland. This something that I myself having travelled from Inverness to the Borders and everywhere in-between having met more soldiers (serving and recently left) than any journalist in Scotland, any government minister and any politician – I can tell you that the vast majority are under no illusion that they are in Iraq and Afghanistan not to liberate but purely for support of either the Americans and Tony Blair’s folly or that of economics. Over a quarter of a million people in Scotland signed 2 petitions one of which containing over 155,000 signatures was delivered by Mr
15

www.r-o-a-r.org,

OPEN LETTER TO KENNY FARQUHARSON 23/03/2008 09:19:23
Salmond to Downing Street along with veterans of all the six Scottish Regiments – it is not Mr Salmond who is out of touch with public and soldiers opinions!

Soldiers should be given a little more credit than you and other Scotsman journalist give them, that is to say that although they follow orders this does not prevent them from having freedom of thought and an opinion – including one on a war that was not started and continued on the basis of any moral and justified reason(s).

Furthermore, I am highly suspicious (as it appears the majority of people who leave comments online) of your papers true intentions in its reporting. It would appear that you have the knives out for the First Minister and take any opportunity to undermine him.

Part of being a good, fair and objective reporter is to report the facts – something that you appear to do only in part and those parts you do report seem to have a distinct trail of attack at the First Minister throughout.
Never mind the denial of pensions for brave Ghurkas, nor soldiers languishing in Birmingham hospitals in a corridor, nor Labour fine words backed up by the reverse of those words – all of this is of no interest to a ‘journalist’ when his target is in sight!

I am thoroughly dismayed by the Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday’s reporting of the First Minister’s remarks.

Jeff Duncan
Campaign Manager
Save the Scottish Regiments / ROAR
PO Box 10083
Dundee
DD3 9WW
16

erchie,

yon shady glen 23/03/2008 10:30:36
15...... I hope he read and took in every word of that letter.Im ex black watch aswell, and was utterly apalled at the stance the unionist politicians in holyrood took when geoff hoon told the commons that the scottish regiments were to be amalgamated (i beleive the snp walked out that day).I am 100% with the first minister on this one,he is leader of our country (at last we have a proper one)and has every right to voice his opinions, which we all know mirror what the vast majority of scots think too
17

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/03/2008 10:49:38
13 - I'd love Scotland to be like Switzerland and Sweden - peaceful countries withoot imperial pretensions, and far higher standards of living than we have here.
Sweden and Switzerland - what's not to like, unless you're a militarist.
18

Queen D,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 10:58:19
Not only the Scots but, judging by the reponse in the BBC have your say ,there is worldwide condemnation of the war in Iraq.
Mr Brown was notably quiet on the 5th anniversary.
And do you believe the other Browne when he tells us that all is rosy in the garden?
I have an opinion on Iraq , the world and its mother has an opnion in Iraq , AND NONE OF IT IS GOOD.
19

Linda,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 11:03:38
I would respect Scotsman publications a bit more if they were to give the same prominence to Jeff Duncan's comments (14 and 15 above) as they did with their front page attack on Alex Salmond.
20

Toast,

23/03/2008 11:21:02
Afganistan will never be stabilised,largest poppy crop in history last year.
21

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 11:31:05
17# Sweden & Switzerland - cowards would be a better word to describe them. You don't mention Ireland - it didn't stay out of the last war because of cowardice right enough. They just couldn't decide which side to come in on.
22

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 11:36:35
Who is this so-called 'journalist' Farquharson anyway?

What knowledge does he have of military matters?

Seems that he is very out of step with not only Scottish public opinion but that of Scottish soldiers. My cousin is an Argyll and we have spoken on several occasions aboot Iraq/Afghanistan - I cannot recall one word that didnae start with a fourletter one when i suggested they were there for liberation etc.

I also agree wie every word Jeff Duncan says above.
Mr Farquharson perhaps you should heed what he writes as after all it is pretty much spot on unlike your anti-Salmond rant!
23

TTTC,

23/03/2008 11:42:29
#13, 21 - actually, all three of the nations you mentioned have deployed troops to Kosovo as part of KFOR. In fact, Ireland is leading one of the five task forces, with responsibility for the central region of Kosovo. Sweden & Ireland are also both contributing to EUFOR in Chad and the Central African Republic.
24

frank mcbride,

lusitania 23/03/2008 11:52:35
Mr Farquharson,

Do you think that the Scottish public is more likely to believe you or Mr Duncan?

My personal view is that they are likely to give Mr Duncan more credence. Further, I believe you demean your profession, and even more so, yourself, by pamphleteering on the back of our Service personnel. Your article is nothing more than supposition based on innuendo.
25

frank mcbride,

lusitania 23/03/2008 11:58:06
#23, TTTC.

The irrational, ill-informed rantings of Morag are on a par with her other posts, on any given subject.

I believe she could be called a troll but, that would be to give her credit.
26

www.r-o-a-r.org,

MEANWHILE OUTSIDE THE SCOTSMAN OFFICES ... 23/03/2008 12:19:11
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27

Shiltrum,

23/03/2008 12:20:05

Mr. Farquarson.........I've never crossed swords with you before, but this latest contribution reflects no credit whatsoever on you sir.
Monumental drivel Sir !!
28

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 12:32:45
23 & 25 # Kosovo and Chad aren't exactly the same as going to the rescue of Poland! What risk are their soldiers under in these places?

Salmond and the SNP wish to emulate the self-righteous and not those who actually do somthing like the US.

And 25# you misogyny is showing.
29

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 12:32:53
re: #24

http://www.r-o-a-r.org/scotsman.jpg


class - just class and so true!
30

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

glasgow 23/03/2008 12:44:52
Oh please Morag - the US (you mean Bush and Cheny) - have made a bad situation 100 times worse - like throwing petrol on a fire.

Like the Libs and the majority of the country the SNP say it like it is!
31

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 12:55:59
Say it like it is - ok - Salmond wants to make us into a Cuckoo Clock making country.
32

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 12:58:23
Seems their is one too many cuckoos in Scotland already - YOU! - to be precise!!!
33

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 13:00:37
After 5 days K Farquharson has put his head over the parapet.
Pity he did not put his head over the parapet when he was with the soldiers
He is obviously a Broon fan or inviting controversial debate,if he is a new labour man he should not be allowed to place his drivel in the media,and if he is inviting controversy he needs to keep his head below the parapet as he will get it shot off.
We should not be in either of these conflicts and we should take the attitude of all the other countries and declare,why do we want to send our soldiers there to spill there blood.IT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
I spent 40 years in the armed forces and this not enough to compete with his 5 days.
With overstretch the boys are really hacked of being sent for the third or fourth time.
Kenny where would you rather be,sweating your c--- off in a foreign country being eaten alive with beasties,working 24 hours a day,being bombed and shot at in a daily basis or standing in a bar in Kirkcaldy wi a cold carlin in your hand.
Please answer that truthfully.
A Salmond is the man in charge of the country that you are in and he has every right to say what he wants to say and you dont have a soapbox to try and tell the people of Scotland your views only a pen,which should be taken away from you.
Your unwanted views have only fuelled the fire off the SNP which the good people of Scotland are now enjoying.
A Salmond is a Jock fighting for us Jocks,what is wrong with that.
I fervently hope and pray that we Jocks get the rights to run our own country and break away from the 300 years of stagnation in the union
34

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 13:06:05
32# - at least I can spell.
35

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 13:20:34
#34 - always the last defence of someone who cannot form an arguement - aye morag the toerag - you surely are a Labour loving cuckoo!
36

mr angry,

ayrshire 23/03/2008 13:21:09
shameful advert for labour , the writer is obviously an idiot. We have no right or reason to be in either Iraq or Afghanistan. We will waste lives and money before being humiliated and having to pull out and leave them to get back to killing each other as they have done for hundreds of years.
37

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 13:28:20
"argument"
38

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/03/2008 13:29:15
21 - drivel. As far Ireland, one reason that conscription was avoided in WW1 was for the very good reason, to quote a contemporary Irish pundit; "Why should we fight on behalf of the only enemy Ireland has had in the past thousand years ?"
39

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/03/2008 13:35:59
31 - Morag, obviously history isnae your strong point. I couldnae give too hoots if Scotland was a cuckoo clock-making country, if only we had the standard of living the Swiss have.
But of course "We might be poor, but by Christ we had an empire" : )
40

Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni. 23/03/2008 13:46:23
Kenny I wonder that you bothered to go to Afganistan as you had obviously written this article before you left. I think that Jeff Duncan spoke the vast majority of the people in Scotland and I hope that you are suitably ashamed although I doubt it. I will say one thing for the SoS, just when you think it can't get any lower it manages to plumb new depths.
41

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 14:01:08
38# It wasn't fighting on behalf of Britain but Belgium. The Irish weren't interested just like they did not come to the aid of Poland or millions of Jews. Is that our future too? "Nothing to do with us" whilst living under the US and English nuclear umbrella.

39# I have would rather be a nation that could hold its head up than have a higher standard of living. But you have summed up the SNP stance very well. (Switzerland was quite a poor country until Nazi gold started pouring in for safe keeping.) And your misogyny is showing.
42

Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni. 23/03/2008 14:06:31
Morag over 200,000 Irishmen served in the Britiah army during the First world war. A great many in the second. Your historical analogy does not hold up. The attempt to impose conscription in 1918 killed the old home rule party. Do go and read a book or two on Irish history before talking nonsense.
43

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 14:08:46
Oh cmon Morag stop your lame misogynistic claims against anyone you can robustly defend your argument against.

Clearly you are so daft that you try to use similarities between the SNP and the Nazis - perhaps you are in fact that alcoholic old fool Lord Foulkes of Innebreation?

Now that would explain all of your posts so far . . .
44

The Artic Fox,

Oakville Canada 23/03/2008 14:15:15
Kenny,

I don't know why you're baffled by the SNP's comment regarding the mission in Afghanistan; they've outlined, quite sensibly from this ex-serviceman's point of view, the need for clarification of the mission. This isn’t just important for the troops on the ground but also to maintain the public and political support necessary for success.

As your aware the mission in Afghanistan has been affected by a number of important factors. Firstly, it was sorely affected by the situation in Iraq as this became far more violent post invasion.

As a result the US had to make changes in their method, means and deployment of resources to combat fierce and bold insurgency elements. The focus, energy and force-assets needed to do this had a severe and lasting impact on their effort in Afghanistan.

Further, the emphasis of the Afghanistan mission has been subject of continuous discussion between the allies since 2001. The strategy and tactics seem to change with each appointment of a new theatre commander be they US, Brit or Dutch.

Given the circumstances, debate is understandable. Each country, add Canada, Australia, NZ, Italy, France and Germany to the pot, recognises there's a threat but differ on the perception and what they're prepared to commit to and whether this will be over the short or long term.

Stephen Harper the Canadian PM recently announced unless other countries are prepared to share the hard work in the more volatile and violent parts of Afghanistan, Canada may pull out.

Some people anticipated or feared that 'decades of support’ would be needed for Afghanistan; however it’s a recent revelation or admission by politicians. This support runs hand and glove with hard work. In this respect publicly asking for clarification of the mission puts the Scottish government alongside the Canadians.

The sanctimonious tone and bias of your article encouraged me to reply.

45

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 14:17:22
Will be interesting to hear Mr Farquar's drivel at 5pm - sorry I mean contribution.
46

boudica,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 14:21:04
Salmond is doing all this posturing not for The sake of Scottish Soldiers or People he has to keep the
" Asians for Independence" sector of The SNP onside and happy....Does Osama Saeed proof read Salmonds Speeches now ?
47

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 14:23:22
http://www.r-o-a-r.org/scotsman.jpg

oh my god - can you spot the difference between Lord Farquar and Kenny Farquar-son? - is he the son of Farquar??!!

Cut and paste link into your browser

http://www.r-o-a-r.org/scotsman.jpg
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MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 14:27:18
#43 So you do agree that there are similarities. The SNP leadership in 39-45 refused conscription and one famously went into hiding. Why did they not care about Poland or 6 million Jews?

#42 "a great many in the second" - the 4000 that did were branded traitors on their return.
49

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 14:30:26
Ok Morag - you are worrying us now .... how you make up in your own mind any 'similarities' let alone claim that I do is beyond me and I suspect anyone of a sound mind!!

keep taking the tablets love - i believe they take a few months to take effect.
50

Davie08,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 14:32:03
Morag I am reminded of the story of two Irish Guardsman in a trench outside Tobruk having a political argument. One says to the other 'ye can say what yez like about deValera but at least he kept us out of this war'
51

pehman,

sussex 23/03/2008 14:52:34
What were the "home" bases of these troops ? Colchester - Aldershot - Catrick ?
How long have they spent at home in Scotland since last may ?
52

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 15:04:31
#51 it is something that the Scottish soldiers and their families are VERY unhappy with . . . for example the Argylls currently in Canterbury

http://news.scotsman.com/britisharmedforces/Families-of-Scots-troops-reveal.3588557.jp

comments include:

• "We are not respected or welcomed by the locals here at all. We have been made to feel like scum and have been treated unfairly all because we are in the Army."

• "We want to go back to Scotland!"
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 15:16:36
Black Watch - Fort George - nr Inverness
Argylls - Canterbury
Royal Scots Borderers -Dreghorn Barracks, Edinburgh
RHF - Glencorse Barracks, Penicuik
Highlanders - Fallingbostel, Germany
54

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 15:38:41
#49 - I think anyone reading your post 43 will see that it was you that said there were similarities between Nazis and the SNP not me.

#50 There was constant contact between the IRA and Hitler's government for the latter to come to the IRA's assistance throughout the war.
55

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 15:42:58
#54 - Actually you are WRONG - look at your post no: 41!!! Where YOU STARTED making the connection - are you really that STUPID!?

I think we can safely assume you have a similar IQ to that of a Labour MSP!!
56

Paul Sergeant,

By Stonehaven 23/03/2008 16:50:30
As another memeber of the public, I can confirm that Kenny Farquharson does not speak for me, that I do not support the war in Afghanistan, and that nobody I know supports it.
57

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 16:55:05
For the record I feel exactly the same way as you #56 Paul!
58

Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 23/03/2008 16:58:59
Hello folks, am online now for the next hour, and I'll address myself to some of your comments in a mo.
Happy to talk about any other issues of the day as well - Kenny "Drinksnatcher" MacAskill, perhaps?
In the meantime, one point on Afghanistan: those of you who want a British and American pull-out...what do you think would happen in that eventuality? Would you really be happy to see the return of the Taliban (which is exactly what would happen)? Just wondering.
59

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:01:53
I think what we would like Mr Farquharson is for you to read the comments on this page and perhaps reflect on the content and just how out of step you appear to be with your readers!
60

Richardinho,

23/03/2008 17:01:56
#58 Yes, if we pull out now we would see the 'return' of the Taliban, (thought it appears they're till there anyway) however what you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that it's none of our business to tell these people who to live their lives.
I supported the original attack on Afghanistan by the US (don't know why we got involved) since they had been attacked themselves. However the reason for the mission, to find Bin-Laden has been a failure, so why are we still there?
61

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:02:07
# 47

Ha! Sadly, I have no aristocratic blood. I'm from the Hulltoon.
62

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:02:34
Oh and by the way - do all Scotland on Sunday staff have union jack underpants supplied on joining SOS?
63

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:03:37
Why does SOS attack the SNP week after week?
Why is so-called reporting a thinly veiled cover for what appears to be a unionist agenda?
64

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 17:06:28
My cousin is an Argyll - I spent a night in the pub wie him and his mates recently and they had nothing but priase for Alex Salmond and his view (as expressed recently) was much closer to the truth than any other view that I have heard expressed.
65

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 17:07:23
Are you a labour supporter
66

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:07:43
# 60
"you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that it's none of our business to tell these people who to live their lives"

I think this goes to the heart of what a lot of this debate is about.

In Kosovo, Darfur, Rwanda, Kuwait, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, etc, do we really just leave people to themsleves, and shrug and do nothing?

I don't think we can.
67

Paul Sergeant,

By Stonehaven 23/03/2008 17:08:47
Mr Farquharson
Under the Taliban opium production was reduced below 200 tonnes. Under the US opium production has been increased above 6,000 tonnes. Do you support that or would you like to return to what the Taliban did?
The Afghan war is not just killing our soldiers in Afghanistan, it's killing Scots in Scotland.
68

Sunrise,

23/03/2008 17:09:38
I've been buying this group’s Newspapers now for the best part of 30 years and I have stuck with them. My view was that you've got to take the rough with the smooth.

Even though they could descend into mince from time to time, there were always some good writers about to make it worth the read. Tom Brown accepted I find it really hard to believe that we even have a real newspaper anymore. And, as for the Leader writers……

But, unfortunately, I can't take this tripe anymore. The above piece was the final straw.

I have watched the Scotsman Newspapers descend into a mess over the last year, on how to deal with the reality, that the establishment, as they knew, it is gone.

Their behaviour over the last few months in particular is getting more strident, and even desperate in their attack’s the SNP. It does not seem to matter what the story is or what the comment made by the First Minister are, the Scotsman/SOS view seems to be; lets find some +ve aspect that we can spin and bang away at it. I believe they really are out of touch with their readers and it’s a sad state of affairs.

This latest piece is a good example.
The 5th anniversary of the Iraq?
So the first minister is asked his views.
Not unreasonable to ask him, as the SNP position has never changed during the 5 years.

I saw his responses to the question of what he believes the Scottish troops think of the war. He stated that he believed the troops options were likely be representative of the communities from where they come and indeed represent those of Scotland as a whole. He also stated that these views were those that he also held. None of this is unreasonable or indeed surprising. Most of Scotland, and the UK, believes we were lied to about the reasons for the Iraq war: WMD, WMD launched within 15 minutes and a threat to us in the UK.

Though any Labour Minister will tell us that that was not the only reason. There was getting rid of Sadam and we cannot let the terrorists win etc.
69

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:10:17
Any comment to make on the majority view on this page that disagrees fundamentally with everything uyou wrote on the paper this weekend?
70

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 17:10:50
Are you an alcoholic,why are you worried about the drinksnatcher
71

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 17:11:15
yes Mr.F - are you a Labour supporter?
72

Richardinho,

23/03/2008 17:11:59
'In Kosovo, Darfur, Rwanda, Kuwait, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, etc, do we really just leave people to themsleves, and shrug and do nothing?'

Yes, that's exactly what we do, because when we DO try and do something we end up making things worse.
Look at Iraq. We are told that things are getting better as a result of 'the Surge'.

So you put more troops in and the violence goes down.
Great.

So presumably when you take troops out the violence will increase again! Or are we simply, as John McCain has said, going to stay there for the next 100 years?

That isn't a solution-that's colonization.
73

Davie08,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 17:12:12
Dear me Kenny is that your argument. It says little for our effectivenesss that we have been in Afganistan for six years and we are no closer to having an Afgan government t6hat can control its own country. Just how long do you expect our overstretched, under resourced, underpaid, under equipped army to stay there? This is the 4th war in Afganistan British troops have been invoved in in 160 years. Not an encouraging omen for success this time.
74

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 17:12:27
Actually that is such a childish remark for a so-called journalist to make about the justice Minister ... suspect you thought a cheap remark about a serious problem was smart. It in fact makes you look like a bit of a twit.
75

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:13:48
Who owns Scotland on Sunday?
76

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:14:17
I detect a bit of a double standard in some of the postings.

One of the main criticisms of the US in Iraq was that they were unprepared/unwilling to do the tough job of reconstructing Iraq and filling the vacuum left by deposing Saddam.

This is a very valid criticism, and I agree wholeheartedly.

Yet the British in Afghanistan come under fire for doing precisiely what the Americans failed to do - commit themselves to a long haul of improving governanance, building consent, improving infrastructure and supporting the local army/police/civil service.

It's what we in Britain are meant to be good at, given our history over the past century. And we ARE good at it.

Canna win, it seems.


77

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:14:44
Which regiment/detachment were you with for 5 days in Afghanistan - were they Scots and if so which battalions were they from?
78

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:15:29
# 75

SoS is owned by Johnston Press, a Scottish company with its roots in Falkirk
79

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 17:15:42
Why are you ignoring so many questions put to you on this page Mr Farquarson?
80

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 17:15:52
Kenny,we are a small country,why are we in the Afghan and Iraq,it has nothing to do with us.Why dont we stick two fingers in the air like all the other sensible countries.
81

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 17:16:26
Actually I do not believe Johnston Press' owners are Scottish - are they? - If so who are they?
82

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:17:25
# 77

I was shadowing Brigadier Andrew Mackay, the Scot who is head of 52 Brigade (which is based in Edinburgh Castle) and is British commander in Afghanistan.

Scottish enough for you?
83

Richardinho,

23/03/2008 17:18:33
#76
I detect a bit of a double standard in some of the postings.

And can you point to which ones those actually are, because such a blanket generalisation really isn't becoming to a supposedly serious journalist?
84

Davie08,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 17:19:11
Kenny I suggest that you go back and look at the history of de-colonialism if you think we are so good at it. Anyway how about an answer to my earlier question. I am sure that five days in Afganistan have given you a srategic grasp of the situation
85

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 17:19:59
Do you think the jocks enjoy going to a banana republic to get their heads blown off for a third or fourth time.
Will you go back again and again,I doubt it
86

www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:20:08
Brigadier Andrew Mackay - Oh that idiot - the Surrey Scot who made such a fool of himself on TV not so long ago and uses bully boy tactics amongst all of the Home HQs in Scotland.


No wonder you wrote such a glowing report for him - it all falls into place now - all unionist pals in bed together.

so much denial about falling recruit numbers and also about retention. he surely went to the Labour school of spin.
87

Kenny Farquharson,

23/03/2008 17:21:27
If you're interested, my full report from Afghanistan, which appeared in last weekend's SoS, along with incredible pictures from SoS photographer Phil Wilkinson, can be found at...

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/topstories?articleid=3883016
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Ex-Pat Dundonian,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 17:21:36
#86 right on wie that observation :-)
89

Paul Sergeant,

By Stonehaven 23/03/2008 17:21:43
KF was shadowing a Brigadier? Not quite the same as being embeded with the troops.
90

shivago8,

livingston 23/03/2008 17:22:13
We all know about McKay,he pushed through the demise of the Scottish regiments at a fast rate of knots.
He is not a proper sodjer
91

Ex-Pat Dundonian,

23/03/2008 17:22:34
#87

After your outpouring of bile against Alex Salmond this week Kenny I doubt many will want or take anything your write in future seriously!
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

23/03/2008 17:23:37
... and we all know just exactly how much a soldier can say to a journalist - all forewarned to keep their mouths firmly in line wie the party line!!!